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(Politico)   GOP: *taps temple* Won't have to make baseless accusations of Democrat "vote fraud" if there's no Democrat voting   (politico.com) divider line
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2021-01-24 10:35:58 AM  
The plot thins.
 
2021-01-24 10:47:29 AM  
GOP: Well if people can't be bothered to vote CORRECTLY then maybe they just should be able to vote at all.

It's like that shiatty teacher you had in middle school who would say something like  "It's your choice" but if you picked the thing they didn't want they'd override you and say "well clearly you weren't mature enough to make that decision"
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2021-01-24 10:47:45 AM  
I think this should be key when elections for state government come around. They wanted to take away your votes, we want to ensure everyone votes. Campaign on polling places everyone can access, campaign on issuing secure ID's or whatever to everyone etc.
 
2021-01-24 10:50:40 AM  

Xai: I think this should be key when elections for state government come around. They wanted to take away your votes, we want to ensure everyone votes. Campaign on polling places everyone can access, campaign on issuing secure ID's or whatever to everyone etc.


"If they come for your neighbor's vote, why not yours?"
 
2021-01-24 10:50:48 AM  
Some Republican officials have been blunt about their motivations: They don't believe they can win unless the rules change. "They don't have to change all of them, but they've got to change the major parts of them so that we at least have a shot at winning," Alice O'Lenick, a Republican on the Gwinnett County, Ga., board of elections in suburban Atlanta, told the Gwinnett Daily Post last week. She has since resisted calls to resign.

This, my friends, is the sound of a dying elephant carrying across the veldt of the Serengeti.
 
2021-01-24 10:56:17 AM  
I love it,
It is already backfiring on them, so hey, let's dig up!
 
2021-01-24 11:00:33 AM  
Also....
Let's take the time to thank the Chief Racist of the Supreme Court for his decision to gut the Voting Rights Act.
 
2021-01-24 11:07:43 AM  
We gonna stiggit, then we gonna stiggit some more!

Unity!

/assholes
 
2021-01-24 11:13:56 AM  
The courts will be fine with this.

They showed that they won't change the results after the votes have been cast. But anything you do before that is fair game
 
2021-01-24 11:36:43 AM  
Biden better get everything he wants done in the next two years because if the republican gains control of congress again, they're really going to fark things up.
 
2021-01-24 11:49:41 AM  
This is why you can't put away the Biden/Harris glosticks just yet. Keep fighting thee assholes. It's going to be much tougher in red states that control the Legislatures..
 
2021-01-24 12:00:57 PM  
I'm okay with voter ID if:

- A specific voter ID is created
- ALL voters are required to have this ID
- No substitutions like driver's license, etc
- ID is provided free of charge
 
2021-01-24 12:04:49 PM  

edmo: I'm okay with voter ID if:

- A specific voter ID is created
- ALL voters are required to have this ID
- No substitutions like driver's license, etc
- ID is provided free of charge


Voter ID regulations are a backdoor end to mail-in voting.

It's next on the list. "Sure... you legally OBTAINED your ballot... BUT HOW DO WE KNOW YOU FILLED IT?"
 
2021-01-24 12:45:22 PM  
If your policies are not popular enough to win elections maybe you should change your policies to something more palatable to a greater number of voters. Just spitballin' here, but that would be way easier and much less unconstitutional than artificially limiting people's ability to vote
 
2021-01-24 1:01:51 PM  

IgG4: If your policies are not popular enough to win elections maybe you should change your policies to something more palatable to a greater number of voters. Just spitballin' here, but that would be way easier and much less unconstitutional than artificially limiting people's ability to vote


For them I think it'd be easier  to just stop undesirables from voting.
 
2021-01-24 1:51:12 PM  
As always, when democracy goes against them, they go against democracy.
 
2021-01-24 1:58:35 PM  
"Now many of our Christians have what I call the 'goo-goo syndrome.' Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now.  As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

--Paul Weyrich
 
2021-01-24 2:42:16 PM  
Okay. We'll just overcome this roadblock too. The demographic shift that we are looking at over the next decade alone is something the GOP is well aware of, and in classic conservative fashion they have decided that they will not change in the face of it.

Please proceed, increasingly irrelevant regional party for wealthy assholes and the rubes who love them.
 
2021-01-24 2:44:29 PM  
It is time to just pass a real voter protection act, perhaps name it posthumously off Cummings, and revoke all federal funding to your state if you fail to comply.

Things like:
1) no-excuse needed absentee/mail ballot on request
2) minimum wait time of 15 minutes at all polling locations
3) less than 15 minute commute time by foot or mass transit for all residents to a polling location
4) all voters are allowed to pick one republican to kick between the legs
 
2021-01-24 2:45:07 PM  

edmo: I'm okay with voter ID if:

- A specific voter ID is created
- ALL voters are required to have this ID
- No substitutions like driver's license, etc
- ID is provided free of charge


Photos for that ID can only be taken at the single facility located in the least populated place in the state. Never discount organized evil.

Vote by mail for everyone. Now. The pandemic has shown us the correct way to do this. Several states figured this out a long time ago.
 
2021-01-24 2:45:37 PM  
"Georgia is at the center of the effort...."

Shocked face.
 
2021-01-24 2:46:26 PM  
This will sure take the Democrats completely off guard, as Pelosi has been far too busy making election reform the Democrat's number one priority.
 
2021-01-24 2:47:33 PM  

Al Tsheimers: edmo: I'm okay with voter ID if:

- A specific voter ID is created
- ALL voters are required to have this ID
- No substitutions like driver's license, etc
- ID is provided free of charge

Photos for that ID can only be taken at the single facility located in the least populated place in the state. Never discount organized evil.

Vote by mail for everyone. Now. The pandemic has shown us the correct way to do this. Several states figured this out a long time ago.


Yep. One of the benefits of living in Washington is mail-in ballots for everything, and everyone.
 
2021-01-24 2:48:31 PM  
Republicans, stop with this pseudo-legal shiat.

Just overthrow the government and nullify the Constitution.

This shiat is just tedious and boring.

Shoot your wad and slink back into your self-hatred.
 
2021-01-24 2:49:57 PM  

DeathBySarcasm: This will sure take the Democrats completely off guard, as Pelosi has been far too busy making election reform the Democrat's number one priority.


Both sides are in favor of election reform.  The only difference is the form they want it to take.
 
2021-01-24 2:50:10 PM  

Yeast No 7: Republicans, stop with this pseudo-legal shiat.

Just overthrow the government and nullify the Constitution.

This shiat is just tedious and boring.

Shoot your wad and slink back into your self-hatred.


They did. Jan 6th.
 
2021-01-24 2:51:02 PM  
Okay. I'll trade voter ID for abolishing the EC and uncapping the House.
 
2021-01-24 2:54:51 PM  

gopher321: Some Republican officials have been blunt about their motivations: They don't believe they can win unless the rules change. "They don't have to change all of them, but they've got to change the major parts of them so that we at least have a shot at winning," Alice O'Lenick, a Republican on the Gwinnett County, Ga., board of elections in suburban Atlanta, told the Gwinnett Daily Post last week. She has since resisted calls to resign.

This, my friends, is the sound of a dying elephant carrying across the veldt of the Serengeti.


I love dual metaphors.

Well done.
 
2021-01-24 2:55:39 PM  

Gubbo: The courts will be fine with this.

They showed that they won't change the results after the votes have been cast. But anything you do before that is fair game


What was one of the first House passed (and Moscow Mitch buried) bills of the 116th "Blue Wave" House?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the​_​People_Act

It has been reintroduced (f*ck the filibuster - still over 400 116th House passed bills in Mitch's desk - to be reintroduced and voted through in the 117th - force those R Senators to vote against useful/popular bills - hunting ground for D's in '22).
 
2021-01-24 2:55:49 PM  
Heaven forbid they have ideas, help people, or win over voters.  Down that path lies madness being a Democrat.
 
2021-01-24 2:56:02 PM  
As long as the Democrats have the Senate, Biden should pass funding to make all presidential elections vote-by-mail. There won't be a Republican president for at least a generation.
 
2021-01-24 2:57:33 PM  

Gubbo: The courts will be fine with this.

They showed that they won't change the results after the votes have been cast. But anything you do before that is fair game


The DNC is going to have to work overtime the next few years dropping challenge lawsuits every time the Republicans try to suppress the vote someplace.

Just Remember folks, the Republican party; the party that does not want POC to vote.
 
2021-01-24 2:57:44 PM  

Cyber Duck: DeathBySarcasm: This will sure take the Democrats completely off guard, as Pelosi has been far too busy making election reform the Democrat's number one priority.

Both sides are in favor of election reform.  The only difference is the form they want it to take.


Which is why Mitch McConnell is personally responsible for blocking no fewer than ten efforts by the Democrats, with no counteroffer or willingness to come to the table?   And the history of the GOP's anti-reform stance long predates Mitch.  The fact is that any cursory examination of history does not support the 'both sides' argument here. as Democrats have been pushing election reform for thirty years, which the GOP has fought tooth and nail against, and without proposing any solution of their own.   This will likely need the nuclear option to get it done.   But after thirty years, expect it to get done.
 
2021-01-24 2:58:52 PM  

edmo: I'm okay with voter ID if:

- A specific voter ID is created
- ALL voters are required to have this ID
- No substitutions like driver's license, etc
- ID is provided free of charge


Republicans would then make it very difficult to obtain the ID in certain areas and for certain people.
 
2021-01-24 2:58:55 PM  
Voter suppression is what I want to spend the next four years fighting. I hate the GOP's propaganda on voter fraud; I worked an election firsthand in Texas and didn't see a single voter without a photo ID. The voters have accepted the condition for an ID and have worked to overcome that obstacle, so now the GOP is going to try every other nasty trick in the book - at the state level they're already working on having all voter registration applications go directly to the SOS instead of through the county registrar or a deputy registrar.

My project in the next couple of weeks is to get our county to adopt a resolution in support of online voter registration.

I hate it here sometimes. There are some wonderful people here, and then there are some outright f*cking ghouls. When your party wants fewer people voting, that party is displaying that they are morally bankrupt.
 
2021-01-24 3:03:26 PM  
Yeah, fuq Jason Miller and the entire GOP.
Voter Integrity is, again, straight out of 1984, in that it actually degrades voter integrity by disenfranchising , or at least making it harder for Anyone other than White Conservative men from voting.
White Patriarchal privilege is over. The sooner the GOP realizes it the sooner they can move into the 21 century.
 
2021-01-24 3:07:11 PM  

edmo: I'm okay with voter ID if:

- A specific voter ID is created
- ALL voters are required to have this ID
- No substitutions like driver's license, etc
- ID is provided free of charge


That's a good idea in general, but it breaks down once you consider the requirements for getting that ID.

Sure, it's free, but how long are you going to be at a government office to get that ID, and can people working multiple jobs afford to take that time off?

What documents are required to prove who you are, and where you live?  How does that work for the homeless, people living "under the radar" without much documentation, people who lost their documents in fires or thefts, etc.?

If the ID is only used for voting, people will inevitably lose it between elections.  How long does it take to replace, if you can't find it the morning of election day?


Not saying I have answers, but any form of voting restrictions will disenfranchise someone - and unfortunately that someone will typically be younger and/or poorer, and hence more likely to vote blue.  That's the (usually) unspoken part about Voter ID - no matter how open the program is, it still invariably favors Republicans.

Short of some sort of national biometric database (which has its own issues), there's never going to be a perfect solution - it's always going to be a balance between disenfranchising some marginalized voters vs. potentially allowing some fraud.

/I'm all for a national DNA database, with samples taken immediately at birth or as part of the visa/naturalization process... but it'll never happen
 
2021-01-24 3:07:50 PM  

gopher321: This, my friends, is the sound of a dying elephant carrying across the veldt of the Serengeti.


This is the sound of a boot stomping on the face of humanity forever.

Minority rule is the most stable political arrangement in history.

The Party isn't going anywhere; it's American democracy that is mortally wounded. The degree of funding, organization, and fanaticism available to the Republican Party means that one-party rule is inevitable.
 
2021-01-24 3:07:56 PM  

Yeast No 7: Republicans, stop with this pseudo-legal shiat.

Just overthrow the government and nullify the Constitution.

This shiat is just tedious and boring.

Shoot your wad and slink back into your self-hatred.


Wasn't that already tried? I seem to remember quite a fuss being made to that effect on the sixth.
 
2021-01-24 3:10:47 PM  
We require ID in Canada to vote but it's a pretty wide net for what qualifies as ID. We also have a much better ratio of polling stations to voters and don't locate them in a specific way to fark over minorities. One year the polling station was in the lobby of the apartment building I was living it, right in front of the elevators.

I guess what I'm saying is it can work but only if your system and political parties are not actively trying to break things.
 
2021-01-24 3:14:11 PM  

edmo: I'm okay with voter ID if:

- A specific voter ID is created
- ALL voters are required to have this ID
- No substitutions like driver's license, etc
- ID is provided free of charge


And if you can do it all online or by mail .. Also vote by mail .. Hard for some people to do all of this in person ..
 
2021-01-24 3:14:32 PM  

puffy999: Also....
Let's take the time to thank the Chief Racist of the Supreme Court for his decision to gut the Voting Rights Act.


When SCOTUS issued that ruling they also laid out a roadmap for how Congress could re-activate it. Congress has to fund a study and report on the current conditions of voters access to the polls, including on efforts made to restrict voters access to their franchise. States like North Carolina have left behind pretty clear documentation from consultants hired by the GOP that made it clear they were making changes to make it harder for PoC to vote.

It's high time to fund the work and publish the report.
 
2021-01-24 3:14:47 PM  
The only fraud is when the Dems win cuz who would vote for those guys.  #MAGA
 
2021-01-24 3:17:27 PM  
The thing everyone seems to miss in these articles is that it'll be really hard to restrict voting in any ways that won't also hurt republicans. They can change things around the margins, but with the amount of people who voted and registered in 2020, they can't do much. Georgia is now purple and trending bluer so is AZ and TX. All of this because blue staters are moving to those places which will give them outsized weight in all states races. Republicans can can change early voting which will be challenged because it has nothing to do with their stated goal of election integrity. They can change absentee voting, but most people voted absentee because of COVID which will likely be gone by the next election. They can add voter ID, but most of them already have it. They can change was is needed to register, but all of these people already registered so new requirements (if ruled legal) won't affect them. They can't even purge the roles until a several years from now.

If they knew of something right now that would help them, they would've passed it already. They don't know what to do because removing the ease of mail in ballots doesn't help them and that along with Trump were what caused their loss. Changing the laws won't stop anyone who voted from voting again and if Dem actually court Hispanics instead of begging for white suburban support, the GOP can't win. This may just be the cycle of that demographic shift people have predicted is incoming. Also, the GOP will struggle to pull in disillusioned and psycho Trump voters which will decrease their numbers. They know there's little to nothing to do because they've already done all of the legal voter suppression they could and still loss.
 
2021-01-24 3:19:19 PM  

edmo: I'm okay with voter ID if:

- A specific voter ID is created
- ALL voters are required to have this ID
- No substitutions like driver's license, etc
- ID is provided free of charge


This still doesn't answer one of my deepest questions- how can we, as a society, make it easier for the homeless to vote?

And if anyone would like to step forward and explain that they don't think the homeless should be allowed to cast their ballot as American citizens, then feel free to step forward and tell the group that you're a proponent of disenfranchisement.

Plus, once you solve that problem, a whole lot of easier ones kinda fall into place.
 
2021-01-24 3:19:50 PM  

Al Tsheimers: Vote by mail for everyone. Now. The pandemic has shown us the correct way to do this. Several states figured this out a long time ago.


Yeah. This right here. I've lived most of my life in Oregon and Washington and have voted by mail in almost every election I've been eligible to.

Every state should be able to do this. Do the rest of you really want to admit that you are less competent than Oregonians? I mean, our main claim to fame is clearing a dead whale off the beach with dynamite.
 
2021-01-24 3:23:42 PM  

NewportBarGuy: This is why you can't put away the Biden/Harris glosticks just yet. Keep fighting thee assholes. It's going to be much tougher in red states that control the Legislatures..


After the last four years and especially after the election idiot from the right and their insurrection attempt, it looks like Democrats have finally found their nuts and are telling the right to shove it up their asses and piss off.
 
2021-01-24 3:25:26 PM  

Magorn: GOP: Well if people can't be bothered to vote CORRECTLY then maybe they just should be able to vote at all.

It's like that shiatty teacher you had in middle school who would say something like  "It's your choice" but if you picked the thing they didn't want they'd override you and say "well clearly you weren't mature enough to make that decision"


It should be a federal felony tag anyone who attempts to obstruct or otherwise impede voting should lose the right to vote, and be in prisoner no less than five years.

It is an attack on democracy and upon the fundamental values of our democratic republic.
 
2021-01-24 3:26:40 PM  

Airius: It is time to just pass a real voter protection act, perhaps name it posthumously off Cummings, and revoke all federal funding to your state if you fail to comply.

Things like:
1) no-excuse needed absentee/mail ballot on request
2) minimum wait time of 15 minutes at all polling locations
3) less than 15 minute commute time by foot or mass transit for all residents to a polling location
4) all voters are allowed to pick one republican to kick between the legs


Just one?
 
2021-01-24 3:30:56 PM  
Easy. Just have every Republican who votes for voter ID laws spend 120 hours going door-to-door in rural neighborhoods making sure that poor elderly people HAVE IDs. They can show good faith by helping people obtain these IDs
 
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