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2021-01-23 6:46:03 PM  
What does it take to qualify for stolen valor?
 
2021-01-23 7:41:05 PM  
I thought this was already common knowledge? Perhaps I never saw it here but I remember discussing this before in other circles.

Ranger School will knock you on your ass and it is an accomplishment to make it through but there is a difference between earning the Ranger Tab and actually serving with the Rangers. It isn't a knock on those who have done the latter but not the former, in fact there are tons of people who went to Ranger School just for the training and I'd bet a fair bit more have the Tab than ever served in the 75th.

I've never spoken with anybody who was cadre for him, who was in Ranger School with him, or who served under him but I wonder what his personality was like when he isn't "on," especially in Ranger School. Butterbars know they need it for their career so they'll protect one another in the peering out process but having a bad personality is never a good thing when all else is equal. In other words, don't give people a reason to grade you poorly.
 
2021-01-23 8:31:48 PM  
Tehran Tom is at it again!
 
2021-01-23 8:45:09 PM  
How about a bunch of Army Rangers show up at his office and have a "talk" with this gentleman who is Ranger qualified, but not actually a ranger?
 
2021-01-23 9:17:46 PM  

SpaceyCat: How about a bunch of Army Rangers show up at his office and have a "talk" with this gentleman who is Ranger qualified, but not actually a ranger?


If he doesn't know them, he'll probably yell "ranger danger"
 
2021-01-23 9:19:34 PM  

vudukungfu: If he doesn't know them, he'll probably yell "ranger danger"


*groan*  Badbadbadbadbadbadbadbad
 
2021-01-23 11:28:55 PM  
Am I hearing any republican voices condemning this?  Because I am sure that if he had a -D after his name this would be the scandal of the century, worthy of at least 3 Benghazis, 5 email servers, a blowjob, and 2 tan suits.
 
2021-01-24 12:14:51 AM  

Demetrius: Am I hearing any republican voices condemning this?  Because I am sure that if he had a -D after his name this would be the scandal of the century, worthy of at least 3 Benghazis, 5 email servers, a blowjob, and 2 tan suits.


Not to mention the arugula and Dijon mustard.
 
2021-01-24 5:02:47 AM  
Would that fit the legal definition of "stolen valor"?
 
2021-01-24 5:20:10 AM  

Jackal_N: What does it take to qualify for stolen valor?


This
 
2021-01-24 5:26:23 AM  

Snapper Carr: Would that fit the legal definition of "stolen valor"?


There is no law against it as a judge tossed out the law.  Anyone can claim anything once they are out of the service (or never in service at all).
 
2021-01-24 5:27:46 AM  

Snapper Carr: Would that fit the legal definition of "stolen valor"?


I don't get it.  The guy has a pretty impressive legitimate military history.  Being "ranger qualified" is nothing to sneeze at and, in fact, would likely cause many of his constituents to assume that he was , in fact, a Ranger without him actually claiming that.  If the question ever came up he would get modesty points for going "Aw, shucks.  No, I graduated from Ranger school, but wasn't assigned to a Ranger battalion.  Those guys are the real Rangers."  It's like Trump.  He just had to gild the lily.  It was a wholly unnecessary lie.
 
2021-01-24 5:28:45 AM  

BiffSpiffy: Snapper Carr: Would that fit the legal definition of "stolen valor"?

There is no law against it as a judge tossed out the law.  Anyone can claim anything once they are out of the service (or never in service at all).


That was the previous law.  It was revised in 2013 after SCOTUS struck it down and is still on the books


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_​V​alor_Act_of_2013
 
2021-01-24 5:30:15 AM  

Demetrius: Am I hearing any republican voices condemning this?  Because I am sure that if he had a -D after his name this would be the scandal of the century, worthy of at least 3 Benghazis, 5 email servers, a blowjob, and 2 tan suits.


How many Rhode Islands is that?
 
2021-01-24 5:33:08 AM  
Cotton is a lying sack of shiat? Who knew? Oh wait everybody. Cotton has been a neo-con hawk treasonous fark since hes been in office. Fark this dude, he should be in a hospital being treated for PTSD and being a racist fark instead of in congress.
 
2021-01-24 5:34:12 AM  

Mike_1962: It's like Trump.  He just had to gild the lily.  It was a wholly unnecessary lie.


OMG are you telling us Trump didn't win in 2020? Aw jeez. Was that Q fella wrong?
 
2021-01-24 5:34:27 AM  

BiffSpiffy: Snapper Carr: Would that fit the legal definition of "stolen valor"?

There is no law against it as a judge tossed out the law.  Anyone can claim anything once they are out of the service (or never in service at all).


If so, I was called into double secret duty by both the SAS and Delta Force to kill Hitler via time magicks due to my exceptional military record.

Just as legit as moron adam's apple over here.
 
2021-01-24 5:36:24 AM  
Stolen Valor is a sure-fire way to get on the sh*t list of every vet and person still on active duty.
 
2021-01-24 5:38:24 AM  

Jackal_N: What does it take to qualify for stolen valor?


Not being Republican. They seem to be allowed everything these days, like a favoured spoiled brat.
 
2021-01-24 5:42:45 AM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Stolen Valor is a sure-fire way to get on the sh*t list of every vet and person still on active duty.


But they'll still vote Republican every time. I mean, their only other option would be to vote for a Democrat.
 
2021-01-24 5:45:10 AM  
Slightly off topic (a different treasonous lying, sheet-head republican) but didn't madison cawthorn list his education as US Naval Academy on some published list somewhere?

I swear I saw it posted on Fark, but now I can't find it.
 
2021-01-24 5:47:46 AM  
If in service this is what happens;

https://www.militarytimes.com/2013/03​/​27/ex-walter-reed-csm-sentenced-to-6-m​onths/

Once out of service you can say whatever you want as long as you don't obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit (of if you yer dead).

Here is an example of that with someone wearing 3 CIBs when in fact eligible for one.

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2021-01-24 5:52:10 AM  
I spent 6 years with a tan Beret, and believe me when I say that there are far more offensive things about Tom Cotton that misrepresenting his Tab.
 
2021-01-24 5:53:08 AM  
I find an interesting contrast with the people who have worked to become "Boston Marathon Qualified". They say exactly what they have done, and off the top of my head I don't recall any of these folks turning that into "Boston Marathon Participant."
 
2021-01-24 5:53:41 AM  

BafflerMeal: I find an interesting contrast with the people who have worked to become "Boston Marathon Qualified". They say exactly what they have done, and off the top of my head I don't recall any of these folks turning that into "Boston Marathon Participant."


*unless they later did so
 
2021-01-24 5:53:54 AM  

BiffSpiffy: Once out of service you can say whatever you want as long as you don't obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit (of if you yer dead).


I wonder if millions in campaign donations, a Senate seat, and six years of paychecks and healthcare qualify as money, property, or other tangible benefit.
 
2021-01-24 5:54:13 AM  
Why do we always here about these things way too late to matter?

Surely the Dems should have people that investigate all GOP candidate's claims, whilst they are still in the running phase, and leak any nefarious findings to the press?  But it seems that it is always just amatuer hour.
 
2021-01-24 5:55:17 AM  

BiffSpiffy: Snapper Carr: Would that fit the legal definition of "stolen valor"?

There is no law against it as a judge tossed out the law.  Anyone can claim anything once they are out of the service (or never in service at all).


Oh, good.  So I can keep telling people I'm an Army Ranger, Airborne, Navy Seal super soldier?
 
2021-01-24 5:55:42 AM  
incendi: blah blah


and yes, it's a little bit sarcastic, but also, who the fark *really* knows until the judge gavels out?
 
2021-01-24 5:56:53 AM  
Oh whatever, is everyone claiming they don't wear thier cub scout or brownie uniform to restaurants on Veterans Day and demand a discount?
 
2021-01-24 5:57:57 AM  

incendi: BiffSpiffy: Once out of service you can say whatever you want as long as you don't obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit (of if you yer dead).

I wonder if millions in campaign donations, a Senate seat, and six years of paychecks and healthcare qualify as money, property, or other tangible benefit.


It would be but prosecutors would have to prove that those tangible benefits were a direct result of the lie. That would be very hard to do.
 
2021-01-24 6:03:41 AM  
I picked up somebody else's cigarette butts, and burned somebody else's poop in a sawn-off barrel.
\If that ain't country, you can kiss my ass
 
2021-01-24 6:08:21 AM  

Langdon_777: Why do we always here about these things way too late to matter?

Surely the Dems should have people that investigate all GOP candidate's claims, whilst they are still in the running phase, and leak any nefarious findings to the press?  But it seems that it is always just amatuer hour.



I'll speculate the inaccuracy was widely reported during the election, but conservatives were only delighted by liberals' objections.

But you do you and condemn both parties.
 
2021-01-24 6:10:50 AM  
Stolen valor is the least offensive thing that Tom Cotton has done in the course of his career in US politics, tbh.
 
2021-01-24 6:18:17 AM  
You can always spot the "inflators" who just can't be happy with having served and that being good enough. They always have to exaggerate their duties or accomplishments.

When people ask me what I did in the service, my answer is always, "I taught drivers ed." Granted, it was teaching recruits how to drive a self-propelled howitzer, but it still boiled down to "here's how to operate and maintain a large and very heavy truck".

For me, it was enough to serve. And it paid for my college when I got out, which was nice  For others, for reasons I can't quite understand, what just wasn't good enough. They have to have been in the flashiest units, have the flashiest MOS's, and to have ALL the medals. It's sad, really.
 
2021-01-24 6:22:23 AM  

Winterlight: You can always spot the "inflators" who just can't be happy with having served and that being good enough. They always have to exaggerate their duties or accomplishments.

When people ask me what I did in the service, my answer is always, "I taught drivers ed." Granted, it was teaching recruits how to drive a self-propelled howitzer, but it still boiled down to "here's how to operate and maintain a large and very heavy truck".

For me, it was enough to serve. And it paid for my college when I got out, which was nice  For others, for reasons I can't quite understand, what just wasn't good enough. They have to have been in the flashiest units, have the flashiest MOS's, and to have ALL the medals. It's sad, really.


I was raised by someone who did spook shiat in between Korea and into Vietnam. The difference between him and the blowhard braggards is the people who actually did these things arent that keen on talking about some of the stuff they did for their country.,
 
2021-01-24 6:22:38 AM  

Langdon_777: Why do we always here about these things way too late to matter?

Surely the Dems should have people that investigate all GOP candidate's claims, whilst they are still in the running phase, and leak any nefarious findings to the press?  But it seems that it is always just amatuer hour.


We don't sling mud, we just wallow in it and our self pity.
 
2021-01-24 6:26:09 AM  

Mike_1962: Snapper Carr: Would that fit the legal definition of "stolen valor"?

I don't get it.  The guy has a pretty impressive legitimate military history.  Being "ranger qualified" is nothing to sneeze at and, in fact, would likely cause many of his constituents to assume that he was , in fact, a Ranger without him actually claiming that.  If the question ever came up he would get modesty points for going "Aw, shucks.  No, I graduated from Ranger school, but wasn't assigned to a Ranger battalion.  Those guys are the real Rangers."  It's like Trump.  He just had to gild the lily.  It was a wholly unnecessary lie.


What successes did Trump build his lies on?
 
2021-01-24 6:40:09 AM  

Demetrius: Am I hearing any republican voices condemning this?  Because I am sure that if he had a -D after his name this would be the scandal of the century, worthy of at least 3 Benghazis, 5 email servers, a blowjob, and 2 tan suits.


I am a (D) and I really don't much care. I really do NOT like Tom Cotton. I think he is smart, ideological, and dangerous, but I have to give the guy credit for serving when he had no compelling reason to do so, and he did complete Ranger training. People do make mistakes, but on the scale of 1 to Trump,  I have no worse or better opinion of the guy for this slow news rehash.
 
2021-01-24 6:52:39 AM  
He completed ranger school he is a ranger. Even if he never served in a ranger unit. The same way if you complete jump school you are Airborne qualified and wear that patch even if you never serve in an airborne unit.

That being said. Being an Army Ranger isn't as difficult as it was in the past. When they were select, highly skilled special operators.  You can see the current requirements here https://www.goarmy.com/ranger/jo​in-the​-army-rangers/requirements-to-join.htm​l so this is more or less an extra 2 months of training he received.  Most of the fitness requirements are standard for enlisted soldiers.
 
2021-01-24 6:54:30 AM  

KoreanZombie: He completed ranger school he is a ranger. Even if he never served in a ranger unit. The same way if you complete jump school you are Airborne qualified and wear that patch even if you never serve in an airborne unit.

That being said. Being an Army Ranger isn't as difficult as it was in the past. When they were select, highly skilled special operators.  You can see the current requirements here https://www.goarmy.com/ranger/joi​n-the-army-rangers/requirements-to-joi​n.html so this is more or less an extra 2 months of training he received.  Most of the fitness requirements are standard for enlisted soldiers.


The army disagrees, and I think it reasonable to consider them an authority on the subject.
 
2021-01-24 6:56:11 AM  

haknudsen: Mike_1962: Snapper Carr: Would that fit the legal definition of "stolen valor"?

I don't get it.  The guy has a pretty impressive legitimate military history.  Being "ranger qualified" is nothing to sneeze at and, in fact, would likely cause many of his constituents to assume that he was , in fact, a Ranger without him actually claiming that.  If the question ever came up he would get modesty points for going "Aw, shucks.  No, I graduated from Ranger school, but wasn't assigned to a Ranger battalion.  Those guys are the real Rangers."  It's like Trump.  He just had to gild the lily.  It was a wholly unnecessary lie.

What successes did Trump build his lies on?


Those of others
 
2021-01-24 7:03:52 AM  

BafflerMeal: BafflerMeal: I find an interesting contrast with the people who have worked to become "Boston Marathon Qualified". They say exactly what they have done, and off the top of my head I don't recall any of these folks turning that into "Boston Marathon Participant."

*unless they later did so


Big difference though, between not doing something because you lacked the resources to do it and not being selected to serve as a Ranger by the Army. BIG difference.

\at least that would be what I assume keeps one from going to the Marathon, will have to ask my cousin if he was technically qualified for it or not
 
2021-01-24 7:13:47 AM  
These people have zero honor or character. And worse, neither do the people who support them blindly, without reservation.
 
2021-01-24 7:14:52 AM  
Putting this in the same category as the others who just buy the uniforms, lessens the offense of the real stealers.

Nice try libs.
 
2021-01-24 7:15:55 AM  

Demetrius: Am I hearing any republican voices condemning this?  Because I am sure that if he had a -D after his name this would be the scandal of the century, worthy of at least 3 Benghazis, 5 email servers, a blowjob, and 2 tan suits.


....Well, this Republican voice at least.  Hell, I was Air Force, and I know there's a big difference between being Ranger tabbed (a remarkable accomplishment in and of itself, to be sure) and serving in the Regiment.

Short version - Cotton knew better, and if he's going to go with the 'eager subordinate' defense, that means he's not vetting his own campaign materials.
 
2021-01-24 7:31:35 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I spent 6 years with a tan Beret, and believe me when I say that there are far more offensive things about Tom Cotton that misrepresenting his Tab.


And yet he handily secures the military and veteran vote.
 
2021-01-24 7:40:11 AM  

haknudsen: Mike_1962: Snapper Carr: Would that fit the legal definition of "stolen valor"?

I don't get it.  The guy has a pretty impressive legitimate military history.  Being "ranger qualified" is nothing to sneeze at and, in fact, would likely cause many of his constituents to assume that he was , in fact, a Ranger without him actually claiming that.  If the question ever came up he would get modesty points for going "Aw, shucks.  No, I graduated from Ranger school, but wasn't assigned to a Ranger battalion.  Those guys are the real Rangers."  It's like Trump.  He just had to gild the lily.  It was a wholly unnecessary lie.

What successes did Trump build his lies on?


Point taken.  I guess being born to a successful grifter and surviving childhood long enough to get a hugh grubstake.
 
2021-01-24 7:40:54 AM  

incendi: KoreanZombie: He completed ranger school he is a ranger. Even if he never served in a ranger unit. The same way if you complete jump school you are Airborne qualified and wear that patch even if you never serve in an airborne unit.

That being said. Being an Army Ranger isn't as difficult as it was in the past. When they were select, highly skilled special operators.  You can see the current requirements here https://www.goarmy.com/ranger/joi​n-the-army-rangers/requirements-to-joi​n.html so this is more or less an extra 2 months of training he received.  Most of the fitness requirements are standard for enlisted soldiers.

The army disagrees, and I think it reasonable to consider them an authority on the subject.


LOL.  Succinct, yet brutal.
 
2021-01-24 7:43:45 AM  

hardinparamedic: Winterlight: You can always spot the "inflators" who just can't be happy with having served and that being good enough. They always have to exaggerate their duties or accomplishments.

When people ask me what I did in the service, my answer is always, "I taught drivers ed." Granted, it was teaching recruits how to drive a self-propelled howitzer, but it still boiled down to "here's how to operate and maintain a large and very heavy truck".

For me, it was enough to serve. And it paid for my college when I got out, which was nice  For others, for reasons I can't quite understand, what just wasn't good enough. They have to have been in the flashiest units, have the flashiest MOS's, and to have ALL the medals. It's sad, really.

I was raised by someone who did spook shiat in between Korea and into Vietnam. The difference between him and the blowhard braggards is the people who actually did these things arent that keen on talking about some of the stuff they did for their country.,


My belated best friend's father was an actual Ranger. I have no idea what his medals were, but I am fairly confident he got a purple heart. When I asked him about Vietnam, he would just say he was barely in Vietnam. After I knew him for years, and his daughter died, he would admit that he thought it was funny to say he was in Vietnam because he was mostly in Cambodia and Laos and occasionally other countries, all without identification. He was "never there".
 
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