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2021-01-23 6:56:16 PM  
20 votes:
FTFA: There's also that nagging issue of price. The two guys bid $2.50 for each mask for the county's 100,000 mask order.

Also FTFA: Last week, the company began selling directly to the public ... The smallest order is a pack of 20 for $45.

So, they're charging more per unit for a bulk order than they are for small orders on their website?

Yeah, methinks the problem is less "Chinese competition" and more "greed and general incompetence."
 
2021-01-23 7:23:36 PM  
18 votes:
Actually, it seems like these guys are pretty legit. But they didn't get screwed by China, or by having a bad business plan...

They got screwed by standard "local government"-style graft. It is almost *certainly* the case that the county already knew who they were going to buy the masks from before they even opened-up the bidding. And the contract *almost certainly* involved some serious kickbacks to the county and/or the person that approves the contracts.

What these guys are is naive. Government contracting is corrupt-as-hell. *Local* government contracting is the worst of all.
 
2021-01-23 8:24:15 PM  
17 votes:

slantsix: lizyrd: There's also that nagging issue of price. The two guys bid $2.50 for each mask for the county's 100,000 mask order. Competitors came in below $2. The two guys say they have wiggle room.

That's not how bids work.

Generally you're right, but some governments are starting to wise up that the lowest bid doesn't always deliver as promised. For example, our principal healthcare system started lowering the weighting of cost a few years ago because they kept getting screwed by incompetent consultants and suppliers.


Many moons ago, I worked in physical plant management for a large school board - preparing bid packages and reviewing bids was part of that job. Absolutely could reject bids for not meeting specs or if we could establish that it was an irresponsible bid. Irresponsible as in "this job is expected to cost around $2MM. Got bids ranging from $1.9 to $2.4MM, but the low guy was 1.2. We don't think it can realistically be done for this price, and are rejecting the bid."  Every now and then we'd get bids from people that didn't seem to actually have a business in place; repave a high school parking lot and get a bid from some guy that doesn't seem to own dump trucks or machinery, and has never paved anything, but has some scheme to sub everything out but collecting the money.  Into the garbage.  But that's an issue with the folks receiving the bids not doing due diligence at examining exceptions requested by the bidder, making sure they're fairly apples-to-apples.  Or examining the history of the vendor; you don't have to buy from someone with a record of not delivering just because they consistantly bid lower.

But that's not what I meant. I was talking about wiggle room. If you really want the contract, you had better bid bare minimum. You don't bid $250k, the other guy bids $200k, then whine that you had "wiggle room."  You should have wiggled before the bid was submitted.
 
2021-01-23 5:35:38 PM  
14 votes:
Have they looked into blaming Antifa? It's all the rage these days.
 
2021-01-23 3:38:08 PM  
12 votes:
They even named their mask after the most famous year in Texas history. Meet the 1836 mask. Remember the Alamo.

so, getting slaughtered?  sounds about right
 
2021-01-23 10:14:40 PM  
9 votes:
But it's not only the Chinese' world-renowned price cutting that's giving them fits. China is getting an assist from American buyers who prefer paying less for masks instead of boosting made in America, made in Texas, made in Dallas/Fort Worth.

Dope-slapped by the open hand of the free market.

There's also that nagging issue of price. The two guys bid $2.50 for each mask for the county's 100,000 mask order. Competitors came in below $2. The two guys say they have wiggle room.

...then why didn't your bid reflect that? Oh, that's right - because you two friggin' morons thought you could monetize nationalism.

Note: Last week, the company began selling directly to the public on its UnitedStatesMask.com website. The smallest order is a pack of 20 for $45.

This is an ad.

The whole point of the article is "BOO-HOO, NOBODY LOVES US, IT'S SO UNFAIR, WON'T YOU BUY OUR PRODUCTS?" bullshiat.

Just want to point out that they're selling a NIOSH-approved N95 particulate respirator at three quantities on their site now:
40 for $69.90 (was $89.90)
540 for $849.95
8640 for $12,528.00

In other words, they can sell these in quantity at about $1.45 per mask, but they somehow bid $2.50 for a government contract?! Kimberly Clark makes their NIOSH-approved N95 pouch respirators here in the USA, too, and you can buy them on Amazon for $1.16 per mask, starting at just one box (of 50.) They're approved for use by the CDC, as well.

It's bullshiat, from end to end. They discovered that they couldn't make money by hawking nationalism, so they've gone directly to the "appeal to emotion" marketing.
 
2021-01-23 10:19:15 PM  
8 votes:

tyyreaunn: FTFA: There's also that nagging issue of price. The two guys bid $2.50 for each mask for the county's 100,000 mask order.

Also FTFA: Last week, the company began selling directly to the public ... The smallest order is a pack of 20 for $45.

So, they're charging more per unit for a bulk order than they are for small orders on their website?

Yeah, methinks the problem is less "Chinese competition" and more "greed and general incompetence."


I'm going to go big on "incompetence" being a problem, considering the picture right at the top of this ad/article has those 2 bozos absolutely barefaced on the floor of their farking production line!

One of them is so close to the masks getting packaged all he has to do is lean over and he could lick the damn things, and they're just standing there spewing freedom particles out of their patriot holes without a care.

dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.comView Full Size


/ Yeah right, "burst of patriotism" my ass, more like more like "burst of capitalism"
// I've got your "burst of patriotism" right here
/// And I'll wear a mask while I do it, too
 
2021-01-23 8:18:04 PM  
8 votes:
Just checked their website.  The 20-pack is sold out.  I guess this article did its job.
 
2021-01-23 7:50:25 PM  
7 votes:
There's also that nagging issue of price. The two guys bid $2.50 for each mask for the county's 100,000 mask order. Competitors came in below $2. The two guys say they have wiggle room.

That's not how bids work.
 
2021-01-23 7:37:44 PM  
7 votes:
The masks passed federal requirements for N-95.  Why does the county need to do its own tests to make sure it passes the proper n-95 requirements?
 
2021-01-23 8:39:59 PM  
6 votes:

sprgrss: The masks passed federal requirements for N-95.  Why does the county need to do its own tests to make sure it passes the proper n-95 requirements?


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2021-01-23 8:32:45 PM  
5 votes:
Their pitch seems to be just buy American, but that has limited appeal on a disposable, commodity product.

My family spent the 80s buying only American cars out of national pride and that got us nothing but crappy cars.
 
2021-01-24 4:21:54 AM  
4 votes:

MurphyMurphy: I_told_you_so: I did my part to help out. Thanks for the story.

[Fark user image image 425x327]

You did your part?
Well don't pause to pat yourself on the back, slacker.

Gofundme.com

Get back to work.
Lots more need your part.

/self-congratulatory wanking motion


You sound like one of those pathetic losers who need to tear people down to make yourself feel almost alive.
 
2021-01-24 4:12:51 AM  
4 votes:

I_told_you_so: I did my part to help out. Thanks for the story.

[Fark user image image 425x327]


You did your part?
Well don't pause to pat yourself on the back, slacker.

Gofundme.com

Get back to work.
Lots more need your part.

/self-congratulatory wanking motion
 
2021-01-23 7:40:07 PM  
4 votes:

sprgrss: The masks passed federal requirements for N-95.  Why does the county need to do its own tests to make sure it passes the proper n-95 requirements?


They don't. The masks specified in the RFP were likely very specific to Chinese models, thus ensuring the usual kickbacks.
 
2021-01-23 6:54:11 PM  
4 votes:

RaceDTruck: The voice of the free market has spoken.  Get competitive or get out.


Can we outsource your job to somewhere?
 
2021-01-23 9:36:25 PM  
3 votes:
And the trade deficit is a useless metric. The way trade is measured is stupid.  Apple employs thousands of engineers, accountants, designers, project managers, and marketers making $100,000+ salaries to create an iPhone.  This mass of skilled labor allows an iPhone to be slapped together by teenagers from rural Chinese villages.  The phone is sole for $1,000 dollars and is considered to be a trade deficit against the US because of where it was put together.  That's an outdated way of measuring value add.
 
2021-01-23 7:59:06 PM  
3 votes:

lizyrd: There's also that nagging issue of price. The two guys bid $2.50 for each mask for the county's 100,000 mask order. Competitors came in below $2. The two guys say they have wiggle room.

That's not how bids work.


Generally you're right, but some governments are starting to wise up that the lowest bid doesn't always deliver as promised. For example, our principal healthcare system started lowering the weighting of cost a few years ago because they kept getting screwed by incompetent consultants and suppliers.
 
2021-01-24 8:35:52 AM  
2 votes:

Konlii: tyyreaunn: FTFA: There's also that nagging issue of price. The two guys bid $2.50 for each mask for the county's 100,000 mask order.

Also FTFA: Last week, the company began selling directly to the public ... The smallest order is a pack of 20 for $45.

So, they're charging more per unit for a bulk order than they are for small orders on their website?

Yeah, methinks the problem is less "Chinese competition" and more "greed and general incompetence."

I'm going to go big on "incompetence" being a problem, considering the picture right at the top of this ad/article has those 2 bozos absolutely barefaced on the floor of their farking production line!

One of them is so close to the masks getting packaged all he has to do is lean over and he could lick the damn things, and they're just standing there spewing freedom particles out of their patriot holes without a care.

[dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishin​g.com image 850x478]

/ Yeah right, "burst of patriotism" my ass, more like more like "burst of capitalism"
// I've got your "burst of patriotism" right here
/// And I'll wear a mask while I do it, too


What's your problem? These guys just wanted to slap a nationalist label on a product they don't know anything about or believe in, sell it at a huge markup to the government, and come out of the pandemic rich. If they had been successful at their grifting, Trump would have given them the Medal of Freedom.
 
2021-01-23 10:32:42 PM  
2 votes:

FormlessOne: It's bullshiat, from end to end. They discovered that they couldn't make money by hawking nationalism, so they've gone directly to the "appeal to emotion" marketing.


*DING*DING*DING* WE HAVE A WINNER!
 
2021-01-23 9:28:33 PM  
2 votes:
Did a 13 year old write that snarky word salad article?

How many time do they have to say the same thing over and over again?
 
2021-01-23 8:53:45 PM  
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Their pitch seems to be just buy American, but that has limited appeal on a disposable, commodity product.

My family spent the 80s buying only American cars out of national pride and that got us nothing but crappy cars.


Well, it also prevented the trade deficit from growing and helped keep the people employed who made the cars.
 
2021-01-23 7:40:40 PM  
2 votes:

realmolo: Actually, it seems like these guys are pretty legit. But they didn't get screwed by China, or by having a bad business plan...

They got screwed by standard "local government"-style graft. It is almost *certainly* the case that the county already knew who they were going to buy the masks from before they even opened-up the bidding. And the contract *almost certainly* involved some serious kickbacks to the county and/or the person that approves the contracts.

What these guys are is naive. Government contracting is corrupt-as-hell. *Local* government contracting is the worst of all.


I mean, the intended reason local governments use bidding systems is to make sure local gov orgs don't burn local taxpayer money paying more than market rate by favoring someone they like more. Seems like it worked!
 
2021-01-23 7:11:08 PM  
2 votes:
Price is not bad for 20 units.
Get ya some.
 
2021-01-23 4:38:48 PM  
2 votes:
But remember, it's the individual consumer who refuses to buy American.
 
2021-01-24 12:23:20 PM  
1 vote:

realmolo: Actually, it seems like these guys are pretty legit. But they didn't get screwed by China, or by having a bad business plan...

They got screwed by standard "local government"-style graft. It is almost *certainly* the case that the county already knew who they were going to buy the masks from before they even opened-up the bidding. And the contract *almost certainly* involved some serious kickbacks to the county and/or the person that approves the contracts.

What these guys are is naive. Government contracting is corrupt-as-hell. *Local* government contracting is the worst of all.


Yeah... 

If you guys are interested in why these masks weren't purchased I have a much more plausible explanation. I have quite a bit of experience with government purchase orders. It's much more likely that what happened was exactly what was stated in the article. These guys applied but didn't meet the qualifications in time. That's their own mistake. Aside from them not meeting the qualifications in time they are also asking for more money than their competitors (who also very likely have a proven track record, something this new company doesn't). 

Most applications for government licenses are backed by statutory time requirements. I.e., "applicant shall furnish all required documents to investigator within 30 days of the application being received. Failure to do so will result in automatic denial".  <----- shiat like this is pretty standard

So as much as I am sure you enjoyed your anti-government speech I enjoy bursting your bubble with reality.
 
2021-01-24 3:24:43 AM  
1 vote:
I did my part to help out. Thanks for the story.

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2021-01-23 10:55:20 PM  
1 vote:

FormlessOne: But it's not only the Chinese' world-renowned price cutting that's giving them fits. China is getting an assist from American buyers who prefer paying less for masks instead of boosting made in America, made in Texas, made in Dallas/Fort Worth.

Dope-slapped by the open hand of the free market.

There's also that nagging issue of price. The two guys bid $2.50 for each mask for the county's 100,000 mask order. Competitors came in below $2. The two guys say they have wiggle room.

...then why didn't your bid reflect that? Oh, that's right - because you two friggin' morons thought you could monetize nationalism.

Note: Last week, the company began selling directly to the public on its UnitedStatesMask.com website. The smallest order is a pack of 20 for $45.

This is an ad.

The whole point of the article is "BOO-HOO, NOBODY LOVES US, IT'S SO UNFAIR, WON'T YOU BUY OUR PRODUCTS?" bullshiat.

Just want to point out that they're selling a NIOSH-approved N95 particulate respirator at three quantities on their site now:
40 for $69.90 (was $89.90)
540 for $849.95
8640 for $12,528.00

In other words, they can sell these in quantity at about $1.45 per mask, but they somehow bid $2.50 for a government contract?! Kimberly Clark makes their NIOSH-approved N95 pouch respirators here in the USA, too, and you can buy them on Amazon for $1.16 per mask, starting at just one box (of 50.) They're approved for use by the CDC, as well.

It's bullshiat, from end to end. They discovered that they couldn't make money by hawking nationalism, so they've gone directly to the "appeal to emotion" marketing.


Otoh, if they are actually going out of business or failing and have 200,000 in stock, they could certainly be willing to sell at a loss.
 
2021-01-23 9:32:07 PM  
1 vote:

gar1013: Rapmaster2000: Their pitch seems to be just buy American, but that has limited appeal on a disposable, commodity product.

My family spent the 80s buying only American cars out of national pride and that got us nothing but crappy cars.

Well, it also prevented the trade deficit from growing and helped keep the people employed who made the cars.


Honda made their cars in Ohio.  Are the workers in Michigan more deserving than the workers in Ohio?
 
2021-01-23 8:13:31 PM  
1 vote:
I just ordered masks from ContourMD, a (kinda) local company located in the Kansas City suburbs. They're currently mask matching by giving a box of masks to local charities/non-profit programs that help out vulnerable people/populations. Not only are they local-ish, they also manufacture in Kansas in an FDA approved facility.

Check them out
 
2021-01-23 6:42:46 PM  
1 vote:
Business model or Etsey store?

Most Americans know you need a Chinese mask for a COVID-19.

That is how Trump marketed it
 
2021-01-23 5:24:08 PM  
1 vote:
The voice of the free market has spoken.  Get competitive or get out.
 
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