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(CNBC)   Good news everybody. COVID-19 will only be with us: (A) For one more year, (B) For two more years, or (C) Forever   (cnbc.com) divider line
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2021-01-23 12:29:17 PM  
Mainly because of scumbag conservatives but also anti-vaxxer Karen's.
 
2021-01-23 12:33:20 PM  
Only trump and his minions thought it would magically disappear
 
2021-01-23 12:44:50 PM  
The only virus ever successfully eliminated from public transmission is smallpox. Polio is very close... nearly 70 years after the vaccine first came online. Yeah, it's smart to take the over on how long SARV-Cov2 virus will be around.
 
2021-01-23 12:51:15 PM  
Herd immunity did not have to be the policy that destroys defines us. It still doesn't.

No economy is worth the deaths of so many.
 
2021-01-23 1:57:34 PM  
I look forward to Disney World and other useless things not being a part of the future.
 
2021-01-23 2:03:20 PM  
The flu is still with us, too.

We'll be fine as long as political leaders make the tough calls and the average person makes the right choice.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to add more flamethrowers to my desert buggy and rotate my buckets of Apocalypse Chow.
 
2021-01-23 2:17:44 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Mainly because of scumbag conservatives but also anti-vaxxer Karen's.


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2021-01-23 3:23:10 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The flu is still with us, too.

We'll be fine as long as political leaders make the tough calls and the average person makes the right choice.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to add more flamethrowers to my desert buggy and rotate my buckets of Apocalypse Chow.


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2021-01-23 3:44:55 PM  
Thanks, President Biden
 
2021-01-23 3:44:59 PM  
Covid will outlast the human race.
 
2021-01-23 3:45:38 PM  
It entirely possible that Covid become similar to the flu. We have to get shots every year.
 
2021-01-23 3:48:38 PM  

Elegy: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Mainly because of scumbag conservatives but also anti-vaxxer Karen's.

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They really live in a land of imagination.

Lucky LaRue: Thanks, President Biden


Case in point...
 
2021-01-23 3:49:41 PM  

Elegy: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Mainly because of scumbag conservatives but also anti-vaxxer Karen's.

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Yeah, except for airline, train, Federal property mask mandates, Federal help in distributing the vaccine. Ability for employees to quit jobs that are unsafe. All things that Biden did this week.  But no, he's not even going to try.
 
2021-01-23 3:51:24 PM  
The developed world will not tolerate a disease that has about a 10% chance of crippling you for months even if you're healthy, causes a massive litany of multi organ damage, and based on some terrifying results in Britain, is likely to steal decades from your life if you're older.

Social distancing and masks alone are enough to push r0 to "roughly 1." Add vaccination taking away 2/3 or more of potential hosts, and it's over.

The only danger will be the howling to end all of that BEFORE the number of cases in a state is reduced to zero.
 
2021-01-23 3:51:42 PM  
So, it is like the flu, in that it will never go away.

We are surrounded by viruses all the time, but most people are inoculated against them, so those are not a national emergency. Covid is a national (world-wide) emergency.

What we need to do, for now, is mask up and stay the hell away from each other.
 
2021-01-23 3:56:05 PM  
Black planet hanging over the highway
Out of my mind's eye
Out of the memory
Black world out of my mind
 
2021-01-23 3:56:47 PM  

Purple_Urkle: I look forward to Disney World and other useless things not being a part of the future.


And all the direct and indirect jobs that go with them? How benevolent of you.
 
2021-01-23 3:58:05 PM  
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2021-01-23 3:58:17 PM  
And the Pharma companies all be like
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2021-01-23 3:58:43 PM  
Fun fact: antigen drift already has the potential to make first-generation covid vaccines obsolete.
 
2021-01-23 3:58:55 PM  
We knew forever a year ago.

The idea was to slow the spread so that most would be spared superspreader events before a real vaccine would be produced.
 
2021-01-23 3:58:56 PM  

SurfaceTension: The only virus ever successfully eliminated from public transmission is smallpox. Polio is very close... nearly 70 years after the vaccine first came online. Yeah, it's smart to take the over on how long SARV-Cov2 virus will be around.


The OG SARS hasn't had confirmed transmission since 2005, but we missed the opportunity to halt Cov2 in similar tracks in by early January 2020, possibly before that.
 
2021-01-23 3:59:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fun fact: antigen drift already has the potential to make first-generation covid vaccines obsolete.


So we get more shots, probably annually like the flu shot.

Big farking deal
 
2021-01-23 4:00:40 PM  

SurfaceTension: The only virus ever successfully eliminated from public transmission is smallpox. Polio is very close... nearly 70 years after the vaccine first came online. Yeah, it's smart to take the over on how long SARV-Cov2 virus will be around.


Polio has been eliminated as a daily concern.
 
2021-01-23 4:01:37 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Herd immunity did not have to be the policy that destroys defines us. It still doesn't.

No economy is worth the deaths of so many.


We haven't even started the great dying yet.  He's a picture of a biopsy from the small intestine of a coronavirus patient 91 days after 'recovery.'
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The green is active SARS-CoV-2.  It is absolutely not going to behave itself down there forever. This is likely not the only active reservoir either-it's just the I've we found first.  What is it doing?  Who knows. Fouling out B-cells training centers would be my guess.  That would explain why new strains looking like they've been passed through a B-cells deficient population 8 months into the pandemic.
 
2021-01-23 4:02:08 PM  

dumbobruni: So we get more shots, probably annually like the flu shot.

Big farking deal


You probably should delve a little bit into the current problem with the new UK strain before you speak so flippantly. It's not just going to evade the vaccine. It's making people sicker faster.

Although, I suppose that if they die quicker, that's less chance to spread the virus - so I guess a victory?
 
2021-01-23 4:06:02 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Mainly because of scumbag conservatives but also anti-vaxxer Karen's.


Nope. The moment it had a huge lede of having no symptoms while being contagious and a huge number of asymtomatic carriers it was going to be with us forever.

Anti-maskers just made waiting for a vaccine a little more miserable.
 
2021-01-23 4:06:22 PM  
The black plague is still around people
 
2021-01-23 4:11:20 PM  
It comes down to long-term immunity and mutation rates.  So far, memory T and B-cells seem to increase over time and actually produce better antibodies.  The mutations haven't impacted the key attachment points.
 
2021-01-23 4:11:41 PM  

FormlessOne: Black planet hanging over the highway
Out of my mind's eye
Out of the memory
Black world out of my mind


Rarely is a Sisters of Mercy song so aptly quoted in thread.
 
2021-01-23 4:12:31 PM  

Elegy: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Mainly because of scumbag conservatives but also anti-vaxxer Karen's.

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1. Decisive action early could have prevented a lot of bullshiat. That is definitely on Trump. Remember that prior sars viruses were contained.

2. I would much prefer our president react to changing knowledge and situation than triple down on being wrong.

3. Fark everything about what you are insinuating here.
 
2021-01-23 4:12:37 PM  

SMB2811: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Mainly because of scumbag conservatives but also anti-vaxxer Karen's.

Nope. The moment it had a huge lede of having no symptoms while being contagious and a huge number of asymtomatic carriers it was going to be with us forever.

Anti-maskers just made waiting for a vaccine a little more miserable.


Stop with that common sense talk.  We need a scapegoat, dammit.
 
2021-01-23 4:14:32 PM  

natazha: It comes down to long-term immunity and mutation rates.  So far, memory T and B-cells seem to increase over time and actually produce better antibodies.  The mutations haven't impacted the key attachment points.


But my imagination says every random variable could have the worst outcome, therefore we'll all be bubble boys forever.

I mean, the possibility exists!
 
2021-01-23 4:15:54 PM  

hardinparamedic: dumbobruni: So we get more shots, probably annually like the flu shot.

Big farking deal

You probably should delve a little bit into the current problem with the new UK strain before you speak so flippantly. It's not just going to evade the vaccine. It's making people sicker faster.

Although, I suppose that if they die quicker, that's less chance to spread the virus - so I guess a victory?


Why do you think the new strains will evade the vaccines?  We (should) get a flu shot every year because of mutations to that virus, and it's still effective preventing infection.  Why do you think Covid will be different?
 
2021-01-23 4:17:14 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fun fact: antigen drift already has the potential to make first-generation covid vaccines obsolete.


The danger in spreading worst case scenario talk is that it convinces a lot of people to just give up on preventative measures altogether, throw up their hands, and say "we'll all get it eventually, nothing meaningful can be done".

Of my 80 coworkers, 10 or volunteered to get a vaccine. Half the remainder already believe the mutations will overcome any vaccine value.

There's a reason you didn't hear fauci on the radio last night telling us all how possible it is that we all die.
 
2021-01-23 4:18:59 PM  

patowen: hardinparamedic: dumbobruni: So we get more shots, probably annually like the flu shot.

Big farking deal

You probably should delve a little bit into the current problem with the new UK strain before you speak so flippantly. It's not just going to evade the vaccine. It's making people sicker faster.

Although, I suppose that if they die quicker, that's less chance to spread the virus - so I guess a victory?

Why do you think the new strains will evade the vaccines?  We (should) get a flu shot every year because of mutations to that virus, and it's still effective preventing infection.  Why do you think Covid will be different?


And, Fauci just last night on NPR said the UK mutation is unlikely to make the vaccines any less effective, and the other two big strains should only have a mild ability to do so - and that they should still be much milder if they do.
 
2021-01-23 4:19:02 PM  
Does this troll ever have an argument or is it just memes all the way down?
 
2021-01-23 4:19:12 PM  
Given that nCOV-2 is zoonotic, even if we eradicate it in humans, the possibility for another animal-to-human transmission event will always exist.
 
2021-01-23 4:20:03 PM  

Jeebus Saves: SMB2811: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Mainly because of scumbag conservatives but also anti-vaxxer Karen's.

Nope. The moment it had a huge lede of having no symptoms while being contagious and a huge number of asymtomatic carriers it was going to be with us forever.

Anti-maskers just made waiting for a vaccine a little more miserable.

Stop with that common sense talk.  We need a scapegoat, dammit.

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2021-01-23 4:21:26 PM  

SurfaceTension: The only virus ever successfully eliminated from public transmission is smallpox. Polio is very close... nearly 70 years after the vaccine first came online. Yeah, it's smart to take the over on how long SARV-Cov2 virus will be around.


The ease of eliminating those viruses comes from the lack of animal reservoirs, particularly for smallpox. Covid already has the potential to develop animal reservoirs since we know it can infect members of Carnivora (cats, dogs, mink, etc.). It is unlikely, given how widespread it is, to ever go away. We got lucky with SARS (COVID-19's closest relative) because we were able to stop it before it got widespread enough, as well as it only infecting humans apparently. MERS (another Covid cousin) is more difficult, because it also circulates in camels. Covid will be with us for a long time, probably becoming like the flu with different strains circulating.
 
2021-01-23 4:22:09 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: We'll be fine as long as political leaders make the tough calls and the average person makes the right choice.


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2021-01-23 4:22:55 PM  

Smackledorfer: hardinparamedic: Fun fact: antigen drift already has the potential to make first-generation covid vaccines obsolete.

The danger in spreading worst case scenario talk is that it convinces a lot of people to just give up on preventative measures altogether, throw up their hands, and say "we'll all get it eventually, nothing meaningful can be done".

Of my 80 coworkers, 10 or volunteered to get a vaccine. Half the remainder already believe the mutations will overcome any vaccine value.

There's a reason you didn't hear fauci on the radio last night telling us all how possible it is that we all die.


Considering I've already completed the vaccine series, and I absolutely didn't say any of that, I really have a problem with you attributing something I didn't express to what I said.

My point was that this is not going to go away any foreseeable time in the future.
 
2021-01-23 4:23:27 PM  

Catlenfell: It entirely possible that Covid become similar to the flu. We have to get shots every year.


I'm thinking that is more probable, than not.
 
2021-01-23 4:26:58 PM  
You mean doctors and hospitals will have to keep covering up that they are reporting car crash victims as covid deaths...like...forever and stuff???
 
2021-01-23 4:28:31 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Nadie_AZ: Herd immunity did not have to be the policy that destroys defines us. It still doesn't.

No economy is worth the deaths of so many.

We haven't even started the great dying yet.  He's a picture of a biopsy from the small intestine of a coronavirus patient 91 days after 'recovery.'[Fark user image 425x340]

The green is active SARS-CoV-2.  It is absolutely not going to behave itself down there forever. This is likely not the only active reservoir either-it's just the I've we found first.  What is it doing?  Who knows. Fouling out B-cells training centers would be my guess.  That would explain why new strains looking like they've been passed through a B-cells deficient population 8 months into the pandemic.


As in every thread (like the last one as well), please, you know, cite your information? Because you have a very, very bad history of just repeating shiat off twitter without actually checking on ANY of it with regard to this pandemic, and then fall back on the argument of "WELL I WAS JUST TRYING TO SHARE INFO" when called out.

(And unlike you, I'll back this up with some citations for anyone else reading along. Here's one piece of evidence: https://www.fark.com/commen​ts/10705246​/125515838#c125515838 , in which you claimed that this was the 'only virus every found to act on ACE-2 receptors', and so that whatever animal it came from 'must have been exotic indeed' attempting to imply... something, I guess.)
 
2021-01-23 4:29:16 PM  
Thanks covidiots.
 
2021-01-23 4:30:27 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Mainly because of scumbag conservatives but also anti-vaxxer Karen's.


Those AV types figure they'll just wait it out. I figure they're gonna get it sooner or later.
 
2021-01-23 4:30:32 PM  

geekbikerskum: Given that nCOV-2 is zoonotic, even if we eradicate it in humans, the possibility for another animal-to-human transmission event will always exist.


On the other hand, vaccine-conferred immunity might protect us against other, far worse strains line sars 1.0.
 
2021-01-23 4:31:37 PM  

erik-k: The developed world will not tolerate a disease that has about a 10% chance of crippling you for months even if you're healthy, causes a massive litany of multi organ damage, and based on some terrifying results in Britain, is likely to steal decades from your life if you're older.

Social distancing and masks alone are enough to push r0 to "roughly 1." Add vaccination taking away 2/3 or more of potential hosts, and it's over.

The only danger will be the howling to end all of that BEFORE the number of cases in a state is reduced to zero.


Why can't we fire it?!?!
 
2021-01-23 4:33:37 PM  
As the virus mutates we will periodically need to get a vaccine booster to top off immunities to all known strains, just like getting your annual flu shot. Since flu shots have been around for decades and we still have flu outbreaks we will likely have 'rona outbreaks as well. There should be a path forward for most people to return to a mostly normal life as long as they put up with the inconvenience of periodic immunizations. The anti-vaxxers on the other hand might finally begin to get thinned from the herd, and its a shame others will get caught up in their ignorance as collateral damage.
 
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