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2021-01-23 11:36:27 AM  
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2021-01-23 11:38:20 AM  
Oh. Interstellar and Kip Thorne invite you to EABOD as well. Better late than never.
 
2021-01-23 11:42:54 AM  
This guy sounds like a real hoot at parties.
 
2021-01-23 11:43:01 AM  
Futurama had the best time travel story ever with Bender's Big Score

It is the most absurd thing you will ever see but damn did they get everything farking right on that one
 
2021-01-23 11:43:45 AM  
Forget it Jake, it's some rando's Medium blog.

Whose describes themselves as (I shiat you not): "Satirist, writer, witty joke goes here."

We are not amused.
 
2021-01-23 11:44:55 AM  
I hate most time travel stories as well.  So I avoid them.  Ta da!
 
2021-01-23 11:48:17 AM  
This is what Daniel Dennett called "The Philosopher's Problem: mistaking a failure of imagination for an insight into necessity." Of course it's possible to do a bad time travel story - it's possible to do a bad job with any kind of story. But there's a lot more possibilities than this dude has ever run across.
 
2021-01-23 11:50:32 AM  
I always felt that 12 Monkeys handled the premise of time travel well in that the movie made a point that you CAN'T change the past.  The best you could do was observe it as past events would always happen no matter what you do.
 
2021-01-23 11:52:10 AM  

sorceror: This is what Daniel Dennett called "The Philosopher's Problem: mistaking a failure of imagination for an insight into necessity." Of course it's possible to do a bad time travel story - it's possible to do a bad job with any kind of story. But there's a lot more possibilities than this dude has ever run across.


His entire level of insight seems to be, "TIME TRAVEL STORIES SUCK!  WTF IS UP WITH THAT?"
 
2021-01-23 12:16:22 PM  
So should I stop making my game Time Phantom?
 
2021-01-23 12:45:41 PM  
If there's one thing I learned about time travel is that you can't just go back and shoot Hitler.  However, you can lock him in a cupboard.
 
2021-01-23 12:48:44 PM  

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Nothing against you personally, but I may need to block you. If only to prevent future me from re-watching that movie and causing myself to have a stroke.
 
2021-01-23 12:57:18 PM  
What's up, paradox?
 
2021-01-23 1:03:43 PM  

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2021-01-23 1:36:42 PM  
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You're saying Time Chasers isn't accurate?
 
2021-01-23 1:43:51 PM  
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I disagree.
 
2021-01-23 1:58:47 PM  
Yeah, I wish they would have wrapped up the Avengers without the time travel. But there didn't seem to be any other way.
 
2021-01-23 2:00:35 PM  
This was why time travel worked nicely in the original Harry Potter books (that play is a clusterfark that broke the original logic). The past had happened. The characters going back in time only made certain events happen that had already happened from their perspective in the future. Thus the grandfather's paradox was avoided. Another way to get around the grandfather paradox that I have encountered is that time travel creates an alternate universe, like in the 1632 universe. The time travel event happens, and two universes diverge, one in which the time travel event happened and one in which it did not. Thus the paradox is avoided. It is even neater if the people traveling back in time cannot return to their original universe.
 
2021-01-23 2:14:00 PM  
I liked LOOPER.
 
2021-01-23 2:21:37 PM  
Author has never read Blackout/All Clear.
 
2021-01-23 2:25:16 PM  

solokumba: I liked LOOPER.


Yeah, that's a good flick.  I was surprised how freaky that movie is.
 
2021-01-23 2:44:17 PM  
Time Bandits makes perfect sense.
 
2021-01-23 3:00:31 PM  

Joe USer: yohohogreengiant: Ctrl+f "Primer"

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Nothing against you personally, but I may need to block you. If only to prevent future me from re-watching that movie and causing myself to have a stroke.


You are already watching it with me now
 
2021-01-23 3:22:07 PM  
You can't change the past. The very fact of the past's existence proves that it has already and irrevocably happened by the time you set out to change it.

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2021-01-23 3:27:09 PM  

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2021-01-23 3:35:34 PM  
It's not hard to understand. I have a framework that works nicely within some of the ideas about reality....

1. We live in a multiverse. At the quantum level, our timeline branches on every "moment" into a number of possibilities. It is a very large number, but finite.
2. If we are able to time travel, it would depend on being able to manipulate time and space. The simplest way might be a portal that translates between two "locations" in time and space. It would also have to translate things like momentum, which becomes obvious when you think deeper into it.
3. Assuming we can open such a portal, and place it between where Earth is now, and where it was, say, 100 years ago (Earth is moving quite fast through the universe), it is likely that such a transition would not take you to YOUR past, but rather a "copy" of your past, branching the moment your portal opened up.
4. In my framework, returning to your "present" might be possible, if there is some sort of device to re-open that portal, however, keep in mind, time is always branching. By the time you re-opened a portal, there are many, many timelines of your "past" presence as well as your "present" location. For the purposes of our sanity, it is likely that an actor in this translation would now know the difference, from a practical standpoint. For now, such a device is purely speculation, possible, but a McGuffin at this point.
5. Travel to the "future" would probably be very dicey. Opening a portal to a possible future branch of timeline might be incredibly difficult. So many of the future branches would simply not exist. In my framewok, this would probably be ruled out as impractical.

So with that laid out, you could go back, kill your grandfather, and even return, with no consequences. Grandpa would be gone in another timeline. Q.E.D. as they say. Go kill Hitler as a baby, you sick farks.... not going to change your timeline.

It might, however, provide a fishbowl for historians... go back as close to an event as possible (to avoid the butterfly effect), and observe it - or even mess with it - and argue the observations after returning.

At any rate, I always turn off the logical part of my brain watching most time travel movies. The single timeline model is dumb, but a plot device in an abstract sense.
 
2021-01-23 3:38:28 PM  
Oops I stepped on a butterfly!
 
2021-01-23 3:39:02 PM  
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2021-01-23 3:49:43 PM  
If you don't perfect "space and time travel".... basic old "time travel" is a pretty bad idea.
 
2021-01-23 3:51:13 PM  
Harrison Moore: "I'm standing at the time portal which scientists say follows 'Terminator' rules. That is, it's one way only and you can't go back. This is in contrast to, say, 'Back To The Future' rules, where back and forth is possible, and of course, 'Timerider' rules, which are just plain silly."
 
2021-01-23 3:56:30 PM  

LesserEvil: It's not hard to understand. I have a framework that works nicely within some of the ideas about reality....

1. We live in a multiverse. At the quantum level, our timeline branches on every "moment" into a number of possibilities. It is a very large number, but finite.
2. If we are able to time travel, it would depend on being able to manipulate time and space. The simplest way might be a portal that translates between two "locations" in time and space. It would also have to translate things like momentum, which becomes obvious when you think deeper into it.
3. Assuming we can open such a portal, and place it between where Earth is now, and where it was, say, 100 years ago (Earth is moving quite fast through the universe), it is likely that such a transition would not take you to YOUR past, but rather a "copy" of your past, branching the moment your portal opened up.
4. In my framework, returning to your "present" might be possible, if there is some sort of device to re-open that portal, however, keep in mind, time is always branching. By the time you re-opened a portal, there are many, many timelines of your "past" presence as well as your "present" location. For the purposes of our sanity, it is likely that an actor in this translation would now know the difference, from a practical standpoint. For now, such a device is purely speculation, possible, but a McGuffin at this point.
5. Travel to the "future" would probably be very dicey. Opening a portal to a possible future branch of timeline might be incredibly difficult. So many of the future branches would simply not exist. In my framewok, this would probably be ruled out as impractical.

So with that laid out, you could go back, kill your grandfather, and even return, with no consequences. Grandpa would be gone in another timeline. Q.E.D. as they say. Go kill Hitler as a baby, you sick farks.... not going to change your timeline.

It might, however, provide a fishbowl for historians... go back as close to an eve ...


I think Family Guy explained it pretty well.
 
2021-01-23 4:01:46 PM  

sorceror: This is what Daniel Dennett called "The Philosopher's Problem: mistaking a failure of imagination for an insight into necessity." Of course it's possible to do a bad time travel story - it's possible to do a bad job with any kind of story. But there's a lot more possibilities than this dude has ever run across.


In fact, it's not even that hard to make a time-travel stories internally consistent.  Even completely cheesy, non-serious time travel movies can do that, for example Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

On the non-cheesy side, because this guy keeps framing it in terms of alternate universes, I'll throw in Donnie Darko as a "time travel" movie that is brilliant and (cryptically) consistent.  It's a shame the author's sophomoric hang-ups prevent him from enjoying such things.
 
2021-01-23 4:04:51 PM  
Just curious if anyone here has read Orson Scott Card's Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus. It nicely resolves paradox without needing a multiverse or multiple still-existing timeline. And, it makes an intriguingly plausible case that we actually live in a deliberately altered timeline.
 
2021-01-23 4:14:17 PM  
You can travel Back to the Future. It's the ship traveling at close to the speed of light situation. You hop in that ship and cruise out into space for a year. Because you are near the speed of light, time is going slower for you than for those back on your home planet. When you come back two years later, 5 years may have gone by for them. So you will have traveled, in effect, to the future.
 
2021-01-23 4:15:37 PM  

LesserEvil: It's not hard to understand. I have a framework that works nicely within some of the ideas about reality....

1. We live in a multiverse. At the quantum level, our timeline branches on every "moment" into a number of possibilities. It is a very large number, but finite.
2. If we are able to time travel, it would depend on being able to manipulate time and space. The simplest way might be a portal that translates between two "locations" in time and space. It would also have to translate things like momentum, which becomes obvious when you think deeper into it.
3. Assuming we can open such a portal, and place it between where Earth is now, and where it was, say, 100 years ago (Earth is moving quite fast through the universe), it is likely that such a transition would not take you to YOUR past, but rather a "copy" of your past, branching the moment your portal opened up.
4. In my framework, returning to your "present" might be possible, if there is some sort of device to re-open that portal, however, keep in mind, time is always branching. By the time you re-opened a portal, there are many, many timelines of your "past" presence as well as your "present" location. For the purposes of our sanity, it is likely that an actor in this translation would now know the difference, from a practical standpoint. For now, such a device is purely speculation, possible, but a McGuffin at this point.
5. Travel to the "future" would probably be very dicey. Opening a portal to a possible future branch of timeline might be incredibly difficult. So many of the future branches would simply not exist. In my framewok, this would probably be ruled out as impractical.

So with that laid out, you could go back, kill your grandfather, and even return, with no consequences. Grandpa would be gone in another timeline. Q.E.D. as they say. Go kill Hitler as a baby, you sick farks.... not going to change your timeline.

It might, however, provide a fishbowl for historians... go back as close to an event as possible (to avoid the butterfly effect), and observe it - or even mess with it - and argue the observations after returning.

At any rate, I always turn off the logical part of my brain watching most time travel movies. The single timeline model is dumb, but a plot device in an abstract sense.


Yeah, Many Worlds pretty much removes the Grandfather Paradox and makes it so that you can't really can't change history for your own personal timeline. The downside is that it makes it hard to write a compelling time travel story in that context.
 
2021-01-23 4:16:44 PM  

Combustion: Yeah, I wish they would have wrapped up the Avengers without the time travel. But there didn't seem to be any other way.


There were other ways, but none would have given them the big final battle.
 
2021-01-23 4:19:04 PM  

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Seriously, GTFO.
 
2021-01-23 4:31:22 PM  
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Best time travel story.

Change my mind
 
2021-01-23 4:44:04 PM  

LesserEvil: 1. We live in a multiverse. At the quantum level, our timeline branches on every "moment" into a number of possibilities. It is a very large number, but finite.


This is incorrect

We do live in a multiverse in a sense that our own universe is not alone. But this whole idea that these multiverses exist as moments branch off is LSD inspired hogwash. They exist just like Mars exists as a planet different from earth.
 
2021-01-23 5:04:28 PM  

solokumba: I liked LOOPER.


Predestination is another that works well.
 
2021-01-23 5:14:10 PM  
This guy sounds suspiciously like 20 year old me.

Brb, I'm going to do an experiment...

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2021-01-23 5:16:22 PM  

MattyBlast: This guy sounds like a real hoot at parties.


First Medium thread?
 
2021-01-23 5:18:46 PM  
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2021-01-23 5:21:19 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: solokumba: I liked LOOPER.

Predestination is another that works well.


Night Watch.

Theif of Time also. I Shall Wear Midnight has a bit.

It's not that time travel stories suck, it's that many people  hawking scripts aren't Sir Terry Pratchett level writers.
 
2021-01-23 5:26:21 PM  
Don't bone your hot mom.

/ Looking at you, Heinlein, you old creeper!
 
2021-01-23 5:38:47 PM  
I like time travel stories because they work for me as stories about the struggle and what value that struggle may or may not have.

Example: A story where someone goes back in time to kill Hitler is not about killing Hitler. It's about the struggle to use time travel to do something presumably good and if doing that good is a good idea. If it is possible to kill Hitler, what are the ramifications of his early death? Everyone assumes all will be right with the world but what if things were worse?

In light of those things, that this paradox exists is irrelevant. I'm not reading the story or watching the movie because I want to see how the writer solves this paradox. I want to see what the writer does with the concept of time travel and how it may be used if it were possible.
 
2021-01-23 6:04:44 PM  
If time travel is ever invented, then it will have always existed.
 
2021-01-23 6:11:48 PM  

boozehat: If you don't perfect "space and time travel".... basic old "time travel" is a pretty bad idea.


Yeah, ending up dying in space gasping for air, because the Earth was at a different point in its orbit around the sun on the date you traveled to, would make for a pretty bad day...
 
2021-01-23 6:12:47 PM  
 
2021-01-23 6:16:18 PM  
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We live in a multiverse. At the quantum level, our timeline branches on every "moment" into a number of possibilities.

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