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2021-01-23 12:09:18 AM  
Banking services, with fees based on income.
 
2021-01-23 1:04:39 AM  
Letters that used to take 2 days now take up to 45. MAGA!
 
2021-01-23 1:28:15 AM  
I hate that song with an unreasonable passion.
 
2021-01-23 2:11:30 AM  
The District sleeps alone tonight.
 
2021-01-23 2:15:01 AM  
Make sure they take DeJoy out of the Post Office.
 
2021-01-23 3:50:01 AM  
Charge double the first class rate for this garbage:

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I'd get a dozen a day during campaign season.
 
2021-01-23 4:00:36 AM  
nationalize purolator/fedex/amazon and merge them back into the postal service ?
 
2021-01-23 4:25:48 AM  
My business has a PO box at the main PO in our town. That building also houses a federal courthouse. While our mail is addressed to Box 123 at a different zip code, the judge's mail is addressed to 123 4th St, Suite 123, main zip code for our town. Yet almost every time I pick up mail, the judge's mail is in my box.

I used to bring it to the window, in hopes that the someone might be interested in fixing the ongoing cock-up, but with covid, I'm not about to stand in line with belligerent maskless morons just to tell other morons that theyve cocked it up again.

Now I just take it to the courthouse entrance, drop it in one of the grey x-ray tubs and let the security guards know it's for judge Schlobotnik. They all know me by now... I imagine the judges in suite 234 and 345 etc have the same issue.

Often times the letters are clearly from federal prisoners and the like... the kind of thing that you'd figure was important and shouldn't be dropped in some anonymous schlubbe's mailbox, but that's the level of care the PO puts in their work.

I've also tried just pushing mail out the back of the PO box so it falls on the floor, but that doesn't feel right to do with inmate 123456-78's last minute appeal for a stay of execution or whatever.

tl/dr; the PO sucks
 
2021-01-23 4:26:40 AM  
My idea? Death cabs. For all the cuties.
 
2021-01-23 4:32:23 AM  

Schlubbe: My business has a PO box at the main PO in our town. That building also houses a federal courthouse. While our mail is addressed to Box 123 at a different zip code, the judge's mail is addressed to 123 4th St, Suite 123, main zip code for our town. Yet almost every time I pick up mail, the judge's mail is in my box.

I used to bring it to the window, in hopes that the someone might be interested in fixing the ongoing cock-up, but with covid, I'm not about to stand in line with belligerent maskless morons just to tell other morons that theyve cocked it up again.

Now I just take it to the courthouse entrance, drop it in one of the grey x-ray tubs and let the security guards know it's for judge Schlobotnik. They all know me by now... I imagine the judges in suite 234 and 345 etc have the same issue.

Often times the letters are clearly from federal prisoners and the like... the kind of thing that you'd figure was important and shouldn't be dropped in some anonymous schlubbe's mailbox, but that's the level of care the PO puts in their work.

I've also tried just pushing mail out the back of the PO box so it falls on the floor, but that doesn't feel right to do with inmate 123456-78's last minute appeal for a stay of execution or whatever.

tl/dr; the PO sucks


Yeah it's amazing how poorly things work when you defund them, decimate their crews, and remove their equipment. Long walk, short pier, you.
 
2021-01-23 4:34:24 AM  
Raise the cost of a first class stamp to $1. Years ago I would mail 6-8 things a month, now I'm lucky to sent out 1-2 a year, so it will still be cheaper overall. Then raise the cost of bulk/junk mail to the same, $1 per item. I realize this would all but eliminate junk mail, but that's the point. With no junk mail to deliver, they could reduce staff significantly, 1 person could cover the area that it takes 12-15 to do now. Junk mail is a remnant of a bygone day and it's long past time for the USPS to get out of the spam business.
 
2021-01-23 5:05:33 AM  
I've never understood why postal services worldwide weren't early providers of internet, email, and online shopping delivery services.

Like Amazon Lockers. Where I live, the post office doesn't have the staff to deliver packages, so they deliver package notices and recipients go to the post office to pick up packages - by having a postal worker go to the storage rooms to find it. If they had their own lockers, people could pick up 24/7 and staff could focus on tasks that require human interaction. Meanwhile, the town has Amazon Lockers in two locations, so people shop Amazon instead of Spanish websites.
 
2021-01-23 5:25:36 AM  
Drop the prefunding of retire requirement and give them a grant to stabilize and the ship will right soon enough, then work to establish new revenue streams.

Fix the crap the GOP broke first or nothing will help the post office.
 
2021-01-23 5:55:09 AM  
Uh, no, the USPS is doing well. It just operates under a law that no other business is bound by. Allow them to operate like every other government or private service and they would be consistently making a profit. Congress could do it tomorrow.
 
2021-01-23 6:02:24 AM  

Schlubbe: My business has a PO box at the main PO in our town. That building also houses a federal courthouse. While our mail is addressed to Box 123 at a different zip code, the judge's mail is addressed to 123 4th St, Suite 123, main zip code for our town. Yet almost every time I pick up mail, the judge's mail is in my box.

I used to bring it to the window, in hopes that the someone might be interested in fixing the ongoing cock-up, but with covid, I'm not about to stand in line with belligerent maskless morons just to tell other morons that theyve cocked it up again.

Now I just take it to the courthouse entrance, drop it in one of the grey x-ray tubs and let the security guards know it's for judge Schlobotnik. They all know me by now... I imagine the judges in suite 234 and 345 etc have the same issue.

Often times the letters are clearly from federal prisoners and the like... the kind of thing that you'd figure was important and shouldn't be dropped in some anonymous schlubbe's mailbox, but that's the level of care the PO puts in their work.

I've also tried just pushing mail out the back of the PO box so it falls on the floor, but that doesn't feel right to do with inmate 123456-78's last minute appeal for a stay of execution or whatever.

tl/dr; the PO sucks


Truly you do the Lord's work where the postal system fails us.  👍🏼
 
2021-01-23 6:05:36 AM  

grimlock1972: Drop the prefunding of retire requirement and give them a grant to stabilize and the ship will right soon enough, then work to establish new revenue streams.

Fix the crap the GOP broke first or nothing will help the post office.


Prefunding retirement is a great idea, but only should be vested after an amount of time an employee is on the payroll. If he vamps out before it vests, it can just get rolled over to the next guy while compounding in the mean time.

Not being able to set postage rates or profit from additional revenue streams is what's really killing it. Please don't think that ensuring a retirement is there when it's needed is a bad thing, that should be a selling point these days!
 
2021-01-23 6:56:54 AM  
Folks, please... the USPS is just another of our Institutions that Putin's mole demolished. And as for Dejoy, why has he not been charged with election law violations? Restore the Rule of Law before it is too late!
 
2021-01-23 7:44:03 AM  

PaulRB: Make sure they take DeJoy out of the Post Office.


DeJoy already took the joy out of the post office.
 
2021-01-23 7:56:52 AM  

KB202: I've never understood why postal services worldwide weren't early providers of internet, email, and online shopping delivery services.

Like Amazon Lockers. Where I live, the post office doesn't have the staff to deliver packages, so they deliver package notices and recipients go to the post office to pick up packages - by having a postal worker go to the storage rooms to find it. If they had their own lockers, people could pick up 24/7 and staff could focus on tasks that require human interaction. Meanwhile, the town has Amazon Lockers in two locations, so people shop Amazon instead of Spanish websites.


Our Post Office has parcel lockers in the lobby. So they put a key for the parcel locker in your P.O. Box. And also has a thing called "Street Addressing" for the P.O. Boxes, so the address for P.O. Box 1200 is
1234 Main Street
#1200
City, ST Zip

They'll take parcels from UPS, FedEx Express and Ground, Amazon, etc.

It's a great concept, but they have a couple of problems: Even before COVID, this got popular and the package lockers filled up, so they leave notice slips and you have to go to the service window during business hours.

Also, the delivery services come late in the afternoon, and they don't work those packages until the next morning. You might get your "package delivered" notice but it will be the next business day at the earliest that they have the package available. The Amazon drivers at first couldn't understand they were delivering to the Post Office, and that they had to deliver while it was open.
 
2021-01-23 8:14:55 AM  
Stop forcing them to fund their pension decades in advance would help. They've been deliberately hobbled by Congressional Republicans who want to turn mail delivery over to private enterprise.
 
2021-01-23 8:57:41 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Raise the cost of a first class stamp to $1. Years ago I would mail 6-8 things a month, now I'm lucky to sent out 1-2 a year, so it will still be cheaper overall. Then raise the cost of bulk/junk mail to the same, $1 per item. I realize this would all but eliminate junk mail, but that's the point. With no junk mail to deliver, they could reduce staff significantly, 1 person could cover the area that it takes 12-15 to do now. Junk mail is a remnant of a bygone day and it's long past time for the USPS to get out of the spam business.


Oh look. Someone doesn't understand the difference between fixed and variable costs.
 
2021-01-23 8:58:47 AM  

Stibium: grimlock1972: Drop the prefunding of retire requirement and give them a grant to stabilize and the ship will right soon enough, then work to establish new revenue streams.

Fix the crap the GOP broke first or nothing will help the post office.

Prefunding retirement is a great idea, but only should be vested after an amount of time an employee is on the payroll. If he vamps out before it vests, it can just get rolled over to the next guy while compounding in the mean time.

Not being able to set postage rates or profit from additional revenue streams is what's really killing it. Please don't think that ensuring a retirement is there when it's needed is a bad thing, that should be a selling point these days!


Federal retirement vests after five years.
 
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2021-01-23 9:36:01 AM  

grimlock1972: Drop the prefunding of retire requirement and give them a grant to stabilize and the ship will right soon enough, then work to establish new revenue streams.

Fix the crap the GOP broke first or nothing will help the post office.


Very much this. While kind supposed to work like a private business, they are restricted by rules that would kill just about any business. The retirement funding is insane, 75 years? Almost no one working currently would still be getting a pension or other benefit 75 years from now. Rural delivery at the same cost as town delivery is another burden.

I spent some summers in a town without local delivery. Everyone had to get a po box. Amazing how you forget to pick up the mail sometimes when you have to drive across town to get it.
 
2021-01-23 9:37:05 AM  
eliminate the pension and go to 401k

bring stamp machines back, have a APC parcel machine and a simple stamp machine

service desk operators need to work on commission. No more gabbing with crowd.

charge for boxes
 
2021-01-23 9:40:06 AM  
 
2021-01-23 9:44:03 AM  

ranchguy: eliminate the pension and go to 401k

bring stamp machines back, have a APC parcel machine and a simple stamp machine

service desk operators need to work on commission. No more gabbing with crowd.

charge for boxes


They already have the TSP which is better than a 401k for most people.

That's in addition to their pension.
 
2021-01-23 9:53:03 AM  
It was a bad idea when Nixon dissolved the Depatment of Post Offices and created the USPS as a semi-private entity. We should reverse that.
 
2021-01-23 9:53:23 AM  
The Brains:

Yeah it's amazing how poorly things work when you defund them, decimate their crews, and remove their equipment. Long walk, short pier, you.

Stibium:

Truly you do the Lord's work where the postal system fails us.  👍🏼

Yeah, the nerve of a guy like me, to expect them to actually try to get the mail to its address.

Tell me again how it's all somebody else's fault that the lifetime pensioner putting the mail in box 123 can't be bothered to notice that the mail isn't addressed to box 123 at all.
 
2021-01-23 9:55:23 AM  
All UPS and FedEx shareholders need to be barred from having any oversight of the post office in the future.
 
2021-01-23 10:02:39 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: All UPS and FedEx shareholders need to be barred from having any oversight of the post office in the future.


That and renegotiate that concept where they can pawn off unprofitable deliveries to the USPS at their discretion while taking all the easy to do profitable ones for themselves.  That is literally the definition of the problem where someone can privatize the profits and socialize the loses, legally.
 
2021-01-23 10:28:51 AM  

bluewave69: nationalize purolator/fedex/amazon and merge them back into the postal service ?


Huh, USPS used to make oil filters?
 
2021-01-23 10:31:27 AM  
Going Postal used to mean something; now any wack job with or without employment can go an a spree.
They have totally lost their sense of pride.
 
2021-01-23 10:38:32 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: My idea? Death cabs. For all the cuties.


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2021-01-23 10:48:39 AM  

west.la.lawyer: The fuh?

https://about.usps.com/who/leadership/​officers/pmg-ceo.htm


The sad thing about DeJoy is in another political environment, he has the skills to do the modernization. But until the underlying conditions change regarding Pension Funding and Congressional oversight, he's another sacrificial lamb for the politicians.

I have no confidence whatsoever Congress will get out of the way.
 
2021-01-23 10:57:47 AM  

Another Government Employee: west.la.lawyer: The fuh?

https://about.usps.com/who/leadership/​officers/pmg-ceo.htm

The sad thing about DeJoy is in another political environment, he has the skills to do the modernization. But until the underlying conditions change regarding Pension Funding and Congressional oversight, he's another sacrificial lamb for the politicians.

I have no confidence whatsoever Congress will get out of the way.


Don't white knight the guy that sabotaged the postal system in an effort to steal an election for Trump. He's a cronie and should be in jail.
 
2021-01-23 11:11:02 AM  

KB202: I've never understood why postal services worldwide weren't early providers of internet, email, and online shopping delivery services.

Like Amazon Lockers. Where I live, the post office doesn't have the staff to deliver packages, so they deliver package notices and recipients go to the post office to pick up packages - by having a postal worker go to the storage rooms to find it. If they had their own lockers, people could pick up 24/7 and staff could focus on tasks that require human interaction. Meanwhile, the town has Amazon Lockers in two locations, so people shop Amazon instead of Spanish websites.


Why wasn't Sears one of the earliest online retailers? They had a huge catalog of items and could have been Amazon. The answer is always leadership, or the lack thereof.
 
2021-01-23 11:12:33 AM  

Stibium: Schlubbe: My business has a PO box at the main PO in our town. That building also houses a federal courthouse. While our mail is addressed to Box 123 at a different zip code, the judge's mail is addressed to 123 4th St, Suite 123, main zip code for our town. Yet almost every time I pick up mail, the judge's mail is in my box.

I used to bring it to the window, in hopes that the someone might be interested in fixing the ongoing cock-up, but with covid, I'm not about to stand in line with belligerent maskless morons just to tell other morons that theyve cocked it up again.

Now I just take it to the courthouse entrance, drop it in one of the grey x-ray tubs and let the security guards know it's for judge Schlobotnik. They all know me by now... I imagine the judges in suite 234 and 345 etc have the same issue.

Often times the letters are clearly from federal prisoners and the like... the kind of thing that you'd figure was important and shouldn't be dropped in some anonymous schlubbe's mailbox, but that's the level of care the PO puts in their work.

I've also tried just pushing mail out the back of the PO box so it falls on the floor, but that doesn't feel right to do with inmate 123456-78's last minute appeal for a stay of execution or whatever.

tl/dr; the PO sucks

Truly you do the Lord's work where the postal system fails us.  👍🏼


Ah yes, they were LEGENDARY for their excellent service and perky attitudes before the big bad Republicans destroyed them.
 
2021-01-23 11:15:16 AM  
And now I realized I quoted the wrong post up thread. Scrolling is hard, trolling even harder.
 
2021-01-23 11:32:34 AM  

JustHereForThePics: Stibium: Schlubbe: My business has a PO box at the main PO in our town. That building also houses a federal courthouse. While our mail is addressed to Box 123 at a different zip code, the judge's mail is addressed to 123 4th St, Suite 123, main zip code for our town. Yet almost every time I pick up mail, the judge's mail is in my box.

I used to bring it to the window, in hopes that the someone might be interested in fixing the ongoing cock-up, but with covid, I'm not about to stand in line with belligerent maskless morons just to tell other morons that theyve cocked it up again.

Now I just take it to the courthouse entrance, drop it in one of the grey x-ray tubs and let the security guards know it's for judge Schlobotnik. They all know me by now... I imagine the judges in suite 234 and 345 etc have the same issue.

Often times the letters are clearly from federal prisoners and the like... the kind of thing that you'd figure was important and shouldn't be dropped in some anonymous schlubbe's mailbox, but that's the level of care the PO puts in their work.

I've also tried just pushing mail out the back of the PO box so it falls on the floor, but that doesn't feel right to do with inmate 123456-78's last minute appeal for a stay of execution or whatever.

tl/dr; the PO sucks

Truly you do the Lord's work where the postal system fails us.  👍🏼

Ah yes, they were LEGENDARY for their excellent service and perky attitudes before the big bad Republicans destroyed them.


The former, yes. The latter, maybe they aren't perky to you because you're an asshole?
 
2021-01-23 11:54:23 AM  

TDWCom29: JustHereForThePics: Stibium: Schlubbe: My business has a PO box at the main PO in our town. That building also houses a federal courthouse. While our mail is addressed to Box 123 at a different zip code, the judge's mail is addressed to 123 4th St, Suite 123, main zip code for our town. Yet almost every time I pick up mail, the judge's mail is in my box.

I used to bring it to the window, in hopes that the someone might be interested in fixing the ongoing cock-up, but with covid, I'm not about to stand in line with belligerent maskless morons just to tell other morons that theyve cocked it up again.

Now I just take it to the courthouse entrance, drop it in one of the grey x-ray tubs and let the security guards know it's for judge Schlobotnik. They all know me by now... I imagine the judges in suite 234 and 345 etc have the same issue.

Often times the letters are clearly from federal prisoners and the like... the kind of thing that you'd figure was important and shouldn't be dropped in some anonymous schlubbe's mailbox, but that's the level of care the PO puts in their work.

I've also tried just pushing mail out the back of the PO box so it falls on the floor, but that doesn't feel right to do with inmate 123456-78's last minute appeal for a stay of execution or whatever.

tl/dr; the PO sucks

Truly you do the Lord's work where the postal system fails us.  👍🏼

Ah yes, they were LEGENDARY for their excellent service and perky attitudes before the big bad Republicans destroyed them.

The former, yes. The latter, maybe they aren't perky to you because you're an asshole?


^this right here
 
2021-01-23 12:10:32 PM  
Unpopular opinion:
Have PO Boxes be free and have people pay for the "convenience of home delivery."

Yes, I know there are areas where that would not work and those details would need to be hashed out.  But, it is a thought.
Plus, mail would be more secure.  Less chance of theft out of mail boxes.  (Meds by mail, etc.)  Especially in rural areas where, such as around here, it is a bank of mail boxes at the end of a dirt and gravel road and some people drive over a mile to get their mail.
 
2021-01-23 12:14:57 PM  

KimHoppes: Unpopular opinion:
Have PO Boxes be free and have people pay for the "convenience of home delivery."


Popular opinion:
Charge far more for junk mail.
 
2021-01-23 12:16:02 PM  

Dr.Fey: KimHoppes: Unpopular opinion:
Have PO Boxes be free and have people pay for the "convenience of home delivery."

Popular opinion:
Charge far more for junk mail.


Agree with that 100% as well.
 
2021-01-23 12:30:25 PM  
The dead tree spam must flow at all costs.
 
2021-01-23 12:31:08 PM  

grimlock1972: Drop the prefunding of retire requirement and give them a grant to stabilize and the ship will right soon enough, then work to establish new revenue streams.

Fix the crap the GOP broke first or nothing will help the post office.


Yeah that will fix everything by undoing what the Fiduciary of postal service pension says is actually a catch up to a huge hole that still isn't going to be filled because (are you ready for this?)

The USPS is barely used by most Americans and is basically a reverse waste disposal where they literally dump garbage into a waste Receptacle I'm required to have.
 
2021-01-23 12:34:54 PM  

KimHoppes: Unpopular opinion:
Have PO Boxes be free and have people pay for the "convenience of home delivery."

Yes, I know there are areas where that would not work and those details would need to be hashed out.  But, it is a thought.
Plus, mail would be more secure.  Less chance of theft out of mail boxes.  (Meds by mail, etc.)  Especially in rural areas where, such as around here, it is a bank of mail boxes at the end of a dirt and gravel road and some people drive over a mile to get their mail.


So instead, you'll have people drive 20 miles into town to get their mail at the post office?
 
2021-01-23 12:45:20 PM  

Dr.Fey: KimHoppes: Unpopular opinion:
Have PO Boxes be free and have people pay for the "convenience of home delivery."

Popular opinion:
Charge far more for junk mail.


Unpopular opinion: Bulk rate mail is one of the few advertising media affordable to small local businesses, and raising its prices significantly would shift a large sector of the economy from small locally-owned businesses to big business.
 
2021-01-23 12:51:20 PM  

Enigmamf: Dr.Fey: KimHoppes: Unpopular opinion:
Have PO Boxes be free and have people pay for the "convenience of home delivery."

Popular opinion:
Charge far more for junk mail.

Unpopular opinion: Bulk rate mail is one of the few advertising media affordable to small local businesses, and raising its prices significantly would shift a large sector of the economy from small locally-owned businesses to big business.


True, for a modern 21rst century person like myself without a terrestrial tv or radio, the only exposed attack surface a local business has on my attention is through my mail box, I hope they enjoy knowing they've not only wasted their money but actually reduced the odds I'll ever patron their services intentionally because of that rude disregard for my time and patience, as trivial as it was.
 
2021-01-23 1:00:04 PM  

maxis_mydog: KimHoppes: Unpopular opinion:
Have PO Boxes be free and have people pay for the "convenience of home delivery."

Yes, I know there are areas where that would not work and those details would need to be hashed out.  But, it is a thought.
Plus, mail would be more secure.  Less chance of theft out of mail boxes.  (Meds by mail, etc.)  Especially in rural areas where, such as around here, it is a bank of mail boxes at the end of a dirt and gravel road and some people drive over a mile to get their mail.

So instead, you'll have people drive 20 miles into town to get their mail at the post office?


Less chance of having meds stolen from mailboxes.  Husband, along with many other people around here, get their meds mailed by the VA.
As for the "extra drive," they are going into town anyway for groceries, bank, hardware store, etc.
 
2021-01-23 1:08:40 PM  

IronMensan: It was a bad idea when Nixon dissolved the Depatment of Post Offices and created the USPS as a semi-private entity. We should reverse that.


Meanwhile other countries have privatized their post offices. You know, like Germany.
 
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