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2021-01-23 1:53:40 AM  
Iceland has universal health care... so let's give them a big hand!
 
2021-01-23 6:07:16 AM  

leviosaurus: Iceland has universal health care... so let's give them a big hand!


And a double slap on the back!

/modern medicine is farking awesome!
 
2021-01-23 6:09:12 AM  
Hope he gets off doing "the stranger"
 
2021-01-23 6:10:27 AM  
Anybody that is against Medicare for All should be aware that the founding fathers thought mail was important enough to include in the Constitution.

//good morning
 
2021-01-23 6:16:43 AM  
I wonder why two donors and not just the one. Don't arms normally come in pairs?
 
2021-01-23 6:27:26 AM  

orbister: I wonder why two donors and not just the one. Don't arms normally come in pairs?


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Maybe he was going for this look?

Most likely because the arms had come from accident victims that were brain dead, so the other arm may not have been viable on one of the donors.
 
2021-01-23 6:32:25 AM  
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And apparently was attacked by doctors.
 
2021-01-23 6:57:28 AM  
There's probably a reason photos of the results were not included. If those new arms and hands actually work I'll be damn impressed.
 
2021-01-23 6:58:54 AM  
He'll be back to skipping leg day very soon.
 
2021-01-23 6:59:19 AM  
Unfortunately, they are both left arms. On the plus side he can now scrub his own back. On the minus side, he can't drive a manual transmission anymore. Unless he moves to England.
 
2021-01-23 7:03:44 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: orbister: I wonder why two donors and not just the one. Don't arms normally come in pairs?

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Maybe he was going for this look?

Most likely because the arms had come from accident victims that were brain dead, so the other arm may not have been viable on one of the donors.


Healthy people without underlying conditions tend not to die from shiat that leaves everything intact and in good shape - and then you lower the odds further with needing people that have arms that'd be a medical match, a relative size match, and were willing to donate and put that in writing.  That's not a big pool.  Accidents or purposeful violence are the major cause of death in otherwise healthy people so yeah likely both arms weren't in great shape from either donor.
 
2021-01-23 7:10:29 AM  
Cythraul:

God the picture bothers me. If this is from the patient perspective the mask is upside down in the shot.

/irrational
//also how are they in a circle around the patient
///wheee
 
2021-01-23 7:14:58 AM  
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2021-01-23 7:19:34 AM  
Socialism!
Damn Marxists
 
2021-01-23 7:28:16 AM  

johnphantom: Anybody that is against Medicare for All should be aware that the founding fathers thought mail was important enough to include in the Constitution.

//good morning


Medicare is not actually a mail program, sweetie. Have you taken your meds this morning?
 
2021-01-23 7:32:19 AM  
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2021-01-23 7:39:28 AM  
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2021-01-23 7:43:20 AM  
Sorry about all the hair on those arms but the American doctor kept going on about 'the right to bear arms shall not be infringed'.
 
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2021-01-23 7:51:59 AM  
So many questions...
 
2021-01-23 8:08:14 AM  
The operation was "his biggest dream", Gretarsson's wife Sylwia told Friday's news conference, adding that she herself never felt that the operation was truly necessary as he "wasn't missing anything".


'great, now he's going to want to touch me again...'
 
2021-01-23 8:17:43 AM  
Take 2 bottles into the shower?!? Now he can just wash and go!
 
2021-01-23 8:36:51 AM  
Double High Five! 🙏🙏
 
2021-01-23 9:39:36 AM  

lizaardvark: johnphantom: Anybody that is against Medicare for All should be aware that the founding fathers thought mail was important enough to include in the Constitution.

//good morning

Medicare is not actually a mail program, sweetie. Have you taken your meds this morning?


That's your argument? Yeah, healthcare is not a communications system. Now, brainiac, tell me, what makes mail more important than healthcare? I know you will come back with some imbecilic answer.
 
2021-01-23 10:07:02 AM  

kozlo: Cythraul:

God the picture bothers me. If this is from the patient perspective the mask is upside down in the shot.

/irrational
//also how are they in a circle around the patient
///wheee


they are coming in around the top of the gurney, so it's aligned correctly.
 
2021-01-23 10:21:45 AM  
Vintowin:

Right. But pink glasses lady at the head with the mask has it upside down. If the camera is the patient perspective, they're about to gas the patient with the mask upside down
 
2021-01-23 11:20:57 AM  
This article right here is why I say most electricians are worth every penny.  I can do a lot of repairs and installations, but I don't mess around with A/C at any voltage for the most part.....
 
2021-01-23 11:31:19 AM  

johnphantom: Anybody that is against Medicare for All should be aware that the founding fathers thought mail was important enough to include in the Constitution.

//good morning


I think you need to read the constitution again. It doesn't establish the USPS, it merely gives Congress the right to establish post offices and post roads. And even using your interpretation, it's a better argument for communication being critical, such as internet being established and protected by the FCC. You will also note, the Postal Clause doesn't make USPS a free service.

I'm not sure why you think free medical care is a valid comparison here. I get you are pro Medicare for all, and that's fine there's definitely arguments to be made for it, including cost. But you shouldn't make completely illegitimate claims, comparisons, or arguments for it.
 
2021-01-23 11:33:46 AM  

johnphantom: lizaardvark: johnphantom: Anybody that is against Medicare for All should be aware that the founding fathers thought mail was important enough to include in the Constitution.

//good morning

Medicare is not actually a mail program, sweetie. Have you taken your meds this morning?

That's your argument? Yeah, healthcare is not a communications system. Now, brainiac, tell me, what makes mail more important than healthcare? I know you will come back with some imbecilic answer.


I have no idea why are you trying to turn this into lizaardvark being in the wrong here.

It doesn't matter whether healthcare is important or even more important than communication. The constitution has nothing to do with healthcare, whatsoever.
 
2021-01-23 11:40:57 AM  

farkinlovit: This article right here is why I say most electricians are worth every penny.  I can do a lot of repairs and installations, but I don't mess around with A/C at any voltage for the most part.....


Yeah. leave it to the professionals. Like the man who burned both his arms off ...
 
2021-01-23 11:52:43 AM  
One of the donors?
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2021-01-23 12:25:06 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: gozar_the_destroyer: orbister: I wonder why two donors and not just the one. Don't arms normally come in pairs?

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Maybe he was going for this look?

Most likely because the arms had come from accident victims that were brain dead, so the other arm may not have been viable on one of the donors.

Healthy people without underlying conditions tend not to die from shiat that leaves everything intact and in good shape - and then you lower the odds further with needing people that have arms that'd be a medical match, a relative size match, and were willing to donate and put that in writing.  That's not a big pool.  Accidents or purposeful violence are the major cause of death in otherwise healthy people so yeah likely both arms weren't in great shape from either donor.


Apparently, required seatbelts and the use of airbags have really cut into the available organ supply, which gives perspective on how effective those are. Motorcyclists are still out there becoming donors, though. Be sure to tell your family you want to be a donor-emotional people sometimes make weird decisions.
 
2021-01-23 12:54:22 PM  

krispos42: Unfortunately, they are both left arms. On the plus side he can now scrub his own back. On the minus side, he can't drive a manual transmission anymore. Unless he moves to England.


He could become a galactic hero.
 
2021-01-23 12:55:22 PM  

doomsdayaddams: Apparently, required seatbelts and the use of airbags have really cut into the available organ supply, which gives perspective on how effective those are. Motorcyclists are still out there becoming donors, though. Be sure to tell your family you want to be a donor-emotional people sometimes make weird decisions.


Larry Niven explored a solution for that.
 
2021-01-23 12:57:09 PM  

Quantumbunny: johnphantom: Anybody that is against Medicare for All should be aware that the founding fathers thought mail was important enough to include in the Constitution.

//good morning


I think you need to read the constitution again. It doesn't establish the USPS, it merely gives Congress the right to establish post offices and post roads. And even using your interpretation, it's a better argument for communication being critical, such as internet being established and protected by the FCC. You will also note, the Postal Clause doesn't make USPS a free service.


And what would be the point of establishing offices if they don't do anything? I think the implication is clear, they wanted government run and guaranteed postal service. There are governments out there with private postal systems, so no, it is not required for a government.

Quantumbunny: I'm not sure why you think free medical care is a valid comparison here


From this statement it is obvious you don't know what you are talking about, how is something taxed free?

Quantumbunny: But you shouldn't make completely illegitimate claims, comparisons, or arguments for it.


You cannot argue that healthcare is less important than flyers from Home Depot.

Quantumbunny: That's your argument? Yeah, healthcare is not a communications system. Now, brainiac, tell me, what makes mail more important than healthcare? I know you will come back with some imbecilic answer.


I have no idea why are you trying to turn this into lizaardvark being in the wrong here.

It doesn't matter whether healthcare is important or even more important than communication. The constitution has nothing to do with healthcare, whatsoever.


My point is that with today's technology and knowledge, why if the founding fathers included mail wouldn't they include healthcare?
 
2021-01-23 1:20:13 PM  
I loved this movie! Jeff Fahey made some great but cheesy thrillers back in the 90s, Lawnmower Man being the masterpiece!

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2021-01-23 1:29:49 PM  
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2021-01-23 1:55:54 PM  

johnphantom: Quantumbunny: johnphantom: Anybody that is against Medicare for All should be aware that the founding fathers thought mail was important enough to include in the Constitution.

//good morning


I think you need to read the constitution again. It doesn't establish the USPS, it merely gives Congress the right to establish post offices and post roads. And even using your interpretation, it's a better argument for communication being critical, such as internet being established and protected by the FCC. You will also note, the Postal Clause doesn't make USPS a free service.

And what would be the point of establishing offices if they don't do anything? I think the implication is clear, they wanted government run and guaranteed postal service. There are governments out there with private postal systems, so no, it is not required for a government.

Quantumbunny: I'm not sure why you think free medical care is a valid comparison here

From this statement it is obvious you don't know what you are talking about, how is something taxed free?

Quantumbunny: But you shouldn't make completely illegitimate claims, comparisons, or arguments for it.

You cannot argue that healthcare is less important than flyers from Home Depot.

Quantumbunny: That's your argument? Yeah, healthcare is not a communications system. Now, brainiac, tell me, what makes mail more important than healthcare? I know you will come back with some imbecilic answer.


I have no idea why are you trying to turn this into lizaardvark being in the wrong here.

It doesn't matter whether healthcare is important or even more important than communication. The constitution has nothing to do with healthcare, whatsoever.

My point is that with today's technology and knowledge, why if the founding fathers included mail wouldn't they include healthcare?


The comparison you are trying to make would be government making hospitals and providing pay healthcare, like the USPS charges for service.

Medicare for all is tax only funded healthcare, aka free to use service. It would not set up standard government hospitals and hospital master general who staffs it.

You are just exceedingly bad at comparisons, or you have no concept at all of the constitution, the founding fathers, Medicare, or the post office.

Let's cut to the quick here. A direct answer to your question. They had doctors, nurses, hospitals, and a concept of healthcare in the 1700s. The founding fathers didn't consider healthcare a right, the considered it a business, just like it still is today. The constitution is a living document, but it certainly wasn't all inclusive as has been amended multiple times, including giving women the right to vote, a right we have today that the founding fathers didn't see as a right.

I'm not sure why you are looking for founding father approval for single payer healthcare, but if you read the Jefferson papers, Madison's journal, or other discussions on the constitution, they didn't even talk about including healthcare as a right. I'm quite certain that they not only wouldn't, but didn't see healthcare a basic inalienable right. You have provided absolutely nothing to counter that, so I have to ask... Why? Why do you think the founding fathers would want something they didn't even discuss, let alone include?
 
2021-01-23 2:02:02 PM  

Quantumbunny: Let's cut to the quick here. A direct answer to your question. They had doctors, nurses, hospitals, and a concept of healthcare in the 1700s. The founding fathers didn't consider healthcare a right, the considered it a business, just like it still is today. The constitution is a living document, but it certainly wasn't all inclusive as has been amended multiple times, including giving women the right to vote, a right we have today that the founding fathers didn't see as a right.

I'm not sure why you are looking for founding father approval for single payer healthcare, but if you read the Jefferson papers, Madison's journal, or other discussions on the constitution, they didn't even talk about including healthcare as a right. I'm quite certain that they not only wouldn't, but didn't see healthcare a basic inalienable right. You have provided absolutely nothing to counter that, so I have to ask... Why? Why do you think the founding fathers would want something they didn't even discuss, let alone include?


The whole point of this is to point out that the US Post Office is clearly socialism, and if that could be included as a right in the Bill of Rights, then why couldn't healthcare too?
 
2021-01-23 2:02:50 PM  
Well not BoF, but the Constitution, adding healthcare to the BoR.
 
2021-01-23 2:48:34 PM  
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2021-01-23 2:52:12 PM  

johnphantom: Quantumbunny: Let's cut to the quick here. A direct answer to your question. They had doctors, nurses, hospitals, and a concept of healthcare in the 1700s. The founding fathers didn't consider healthcare a right, the considered it a business, just like it still is today. The constitution is a living document, but it certainly wasn't all inclusive as has been amended multiple times, including giving women the right to vote, a right we have today that the founding fathers didn't see as a right.

I'm not sure why you are looking for founding father approval for single payer healthcare, but if you read the Jefferson papers, Madison's journal, or other discussions on the constitution, they didn't even talk about including healthcare as a right. I'm quite certain that they not only wouldn't, but didn't see healthcare a basic inalienable right. You have provided absolutely nothing to counter that, so I have to ask... Why? Why do you think the founding fathers would want something they didn't even discuss, let alone include?

The whole point of this is to point out that the US Post Office is clearly socialism, and if that could be included as a right in the Bill of Rights, then why couldn't healthcare too?


Post office, in 1700s was something private business could not do. Getting letters and parcels from day Massachusetts to Georgia didn't have an overnight shipping option. Getting mail from overseas, even more of an issue. Government was necessary to ensure communication, which the British gas tried to disrupt during our insurrection.

Healthcare was handled as a business then that government wasn't necessary. The only thing substantially changed is insurance companies. You didn't have MetLife or other options, everything was out of pocket. Not even counting the standard of medical care improved in 300 years, you can easily argue ACCESS to healthcare is substantially improved already.

I am not arguing against single payer, I'm arguing that the founding fathers and constitution YOU BROUGHT UP is a terrible argument and a worse comparison.

Medicare itself as it exists today is one of the best examples you could bring up, which the government currently runs. I've seen numerous studies showing the monetary efficiency (% dollars in spent on actual healthcare costs) as well as cost of care are better than private insurance. There's an example, there's a rationale.

If you are going to be a proponant of something and want to convince others, you can't do it on your terms. You think everyone should have healthcare, but there's a lot of people that don't want to pay for it. They are generally interested in killing off the poor's despite what the Democrats say, they just don't want to pay more taxes to help others with stuff they already have. So one of the only arguments you are going to win is fiscal. Do some research and use that, don't try to appeal to constitution or other things those same people may espouse, there's usually different reasons and different discussions the constitution is relevant and important. This ain't one of them.
 
2021-01-23 3:18:54 PM  

Quantumbunny: Healthcare was handled as a business then that government wasn't necessary. The only thing substantially changed is insurance companies


Ok you are not worth arguing with if you seriously think nothing has changed in 250 years in healthcare. That is just plain stupid.
 
2021-01-23 4:55:47 PM  
You guys are missing the crappy part of this whole thing.
The French surgeons wanted to do a double arm transplant.   This guy from Iceland waited *decades* for his free surgery... when they could have given him arms YEARS ago, one single arm at a time. because (as the article noted) they ended up using two corpses anyway.

Personally, I believe that may be why he also ended up with a liver transplant - years of waiting to have hands again would turn anyone into an alcoholic.
 
2021-01-23 5:03:56 PM  

johnphantom: Quantumbunny: Healthcare was handled as a business then that government wasn't necessary. The only thing substantially changed is insurance companies

Ok you are not worth arguing with if you seriously think nothing has changed in 250 years in healthcare. That is just plain stupid.


I'm sorry that you don't know how to accept criticism or apply an argument. You don't capable of understanding the point.
 
2021-01-23 8:55:20 PM  

orbister: farkinlovit: This article right here is why I say most electricians are worth every penny.  I can do a lot of repairs and installations, but I don't mess around with A/C at any voltage for the most part.....

Yeah. leave it to the professionals. Like the man who burned both his arms off ...


I'm not sure "arms getting burnt off" is much of an argument for doing it yourself.
 
2021-01-24 1:55:37 AM  

Parrahs: orbister: farkinlovit: This article right here is why I say most electricians are worth every penny.  I can do a lot of repairs and installations, but I don't mess around with A/C at any voltage for the most part.....

Yeah. leave it to the professionals. Like the man who burned both his arms off ...

I'm not sure "arms getting burnt off" is much of an argument for doing it yourself.


It's a great argument for NOT doing it yourself, though.  There aren't a lot of incentives that are going to outweigh personal bilateral carbonization
 
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