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2021-01-22 8:31:45 PM  
So Vision chooses to make his hair look like that every time he leaves the house? Wow.
 
2021-01-22 8:32:45 PM  
Hmmm.  I'm gonna need more than a couple lines and a teaser scene at the end of the next episode.
 
2021-01-22 8:45:21 PM  

born_yesterday: Hmmm.  I'm gonna need more than a couple lines and a teaser scene at the end of the next episode.


Rumor has it they're past the complete sitcom immersion now that they've literally broken past the 4th wall
 
2021-01-22 8:49:19 PM  

born_yesterday: Hmmm.  I'm gonna need more than a couple lines and a teaser scene at the end of the next episode.


They'll probably make us suffer through an 80s- and a 90s-era sitcom before they realize they can't go back to the well anymore and have to turn to the actual story.
 
2021-01-22 10:51:57 PM  
The only thing the 70s sitcom immersion was missing was a grotesque musical number.
 
2021-01-23 12:24:42 AM  
I'm really digging it so far, though I have a soft spot for nostalgia TV. Like the extended cast and into quirky, weird stories like Legion.
 
2021-01-23 12:35:33 AM  
Just a couple more decades until Married With Children.
 
2021-01-23 12:51:20 AM  
🚨 Spoiler Alert 🚨 : Season finale is Vision's company accidentally ushering in the Ice Age and killing everyone.
 
2021-01-23 1:17:54 AM  
This should be a spolier thread, because it discusses and actual episode but for those who can't figure that out...

*Spoiler theory question*


Wtf do I keep seeing people online saying shiat about Mephisto? Been a Marvel kid since the 70s and I didn't notice anything in the episode leading in that direction.
 
2021-01-23 1:21:54 AM  

Unbridled Apathy: born_yesterday: Hmmm.  I'm gonna need more than a couple lines and a teaser scene at the end of the next episode.

Rumor has it they're past the complete sitcom immersion now that they've literally broken past the 4th wall


If you check the cast page on IMDB, most of the Westview residents are done with their episodes, so that checks out.
 
2021-01-23 1:22:01 AM  

BafflerMeal: This should be a spolier thread, because it discusses and actual episode but for those who can't figure that out...

*Spoiler theory question*


Wtf do I keep seeing people online saying shiat about Mephisto? Been a Marvel kid since the 70s and I didn't notice anything in the episode leading in that direction.



Agnes == Anne Harkness, thus Ralph == Mephisto?

That's what I've read.

Not being a comics aficionado, I can't say how plausible that is.
 
2021-01-23 1:28:48 AM  
Gods, the stupidity of people complaining about the retro-sitcom portion of this series.  Guess you really gotta spoon-feed some audiences nowadays, and every spoonful has to have EVERYTHING in it right away for that immediate payoff or else the babies are gonna cry.
 
2021-01-23 1:32:13 AM  

NetOwl: BafflerMeal: This should be a spolier thread, because it discusses and actual episode but for those who can't figure that out...

*Spoiler theory question*


Wtf do I keep seeing people online saying shiat about Mephisto? Been a Marvel kid since the 70s and I didn't notice anything in the episode leading in that direction.


Agnes == Anne Harkness, thus Ralph == Mephisto?

That's what I've read.

Not being a comics aficionado, I can't say how plausible that is.


Hunh. Thanks for that. Bit of a stretch though.

My petvtheory so far: everyone inside is dead except Wanda and she created the reality bubble on her own. SWORD came to investigate. The two kids will come out alive as her kids in the Young Avengers.
 
2021-01-23 1:43:21 AM  

NetOwl: BafflerMeal: This should be a spolier thread, because it discusses and actual episode but for those who can't figure that out...

*Spoiler theory question*


Wtf do I keep seeing people online saying shiat about Mephisto? Been a Marvel kid since the 70s and I didn't notice anything in the episode leading in that direction.


Agnes == Anne Harkness, thus Ralph == Mephisto?

That's what I've read.

Not being a comics aficionado, I can't say how plausible that is.


I'm not a comics person either, so I looked up Mephisto.
Says he used Scarlett Witch to birth twins Tommy and Billy. So seems plausible.
It doesn't mean anything to me either way.
I'm enjoying the show.
 
2021-01-23 1:44:09 AM  

NetOwl: BafflerMeal: This should be a spolier thread, because it discusses and actual episode but for those who can't figure that out...

*Spoiler theory question*


Wtf do I keep seeing people online saying shiat about Mephisto? Been a Marvel kid since the 70s and I didn't notice anything in the episode leading in that direction.


Agnes == Anne Harkness, thus Ralph == Mephisto?

That's what I've read.

Not being a comics aficionado, I can't say how plausible that is.


I think they are looking to avoid Mephisto in the MCU
 
2021-01-23 1:46:15 AM  
i was very, very, VERY late to the party on the entire Avengers / MCU thing - when COVID started my oldest (tween) begged wife and to not just watch all the movies, but watch them in the "this is where the movie takes place, chronologically takes place in the Marvel universe, order).

so she watches each episode via Zoom with her friends, and wife and I watch it on TV.  I have to ask oldest what half the references are, but the fun part is showing her old ass I Love Lucy, Bewitched, and tonight, Brady Bunch episodes.  it's a weird cross pollenization!

/she believes or read one of the *ahem* NEW CHARACTERS is Ultron or some other evil guy.
 
2021-01-23 1:47:44 AM  
I never read the comics and the only MCU movie I've seen was Infinity War.

I'm watching this anyway, with no preconceived notions except that I know this is all going to enter the MCU as we know it at some future time and we don't know exactly how.

I am permitting myself to simply be entertained by it, and I am.
 
2021-01-23 1:48:46 AM  
Okay...now the next ones will be animated.
 
2021-01-23 2:00:47 AM  

pdieten: I never read the comics and the only MCU movie I've seen was Infinity War.


I have never even, as far as I know touched a Marvel comic book (i briefly was a Green Lantern fan and have a few DC issues somwhere), and don't even really consider myself a big movie fan, much less comic book movies but....the MCU series is really, really good.  as I said above, half of the in-jokes/callbacks I don't get but....it doesn't matter.

it's a very well done franchise.  if you have the time I suggest, as I said above, watching them in the "where do they fit in the MCU universe?" order.  or just watch them.  funny, heart, drama, cool, checks all the boxes.
 
2021-01-23 3:10:44 AM  
I believe the 50's sitcom reality is Wanda's way of coping with loss. The other characters in that reality are either figments of Wanda's imagination or S.W.O.R.D. agents trying to help Wanda get out. At least the one person who was thrown out of the bubble was an agent.
 
2021-01-23 3:19:19 AM  
The Avclub recap of this episode perfectly summarised one of my theories : "Wandavision" is "The Prisoner" with Wanda as the warden. This episode also had a huge fell of Twilight Zone's "It's a good life".
It's have been nice if Geraldine had landed in a cornfield.
 
2021-01-23 3:33:22 AM  

AgtSmithReloaded: Gods, the stupidity of people complaining about the retro-sitcom portion of this series.  Guess you really gotta spoon-feed some audiences nowadays, and every spoonful has to have EVERYTHING in it right away for that immediate payoff or else the babies are gonna cry.


When discussing a TV show or movie or anything, there are two kinds of people : those that give their opinions and theories about the show, and those that criticize other guys and assign them motivations for their opinions and theories, usually by insulting them.

The last one is boring and lame. Don't be that guy. Nobody likes that guy.
 
2021-01-23 3:53:10 AM  
I think part of the Retro-TV is Wanda not knowing how real people live. The closest thing she ever has ever experienced to what she thinks "real life" is, is old sitcom reruns she saw on TV in Sokovia. If she has created the bubble around her, it's because she wants to live that "real life".

/I unfortunately know some people who have confused TV with "real life"
//Chances are, you do too
 
2021-01-23 4:13:09 AM  
Also, this episode gave an other indication that Avengers : Age of Ultron was the most impactful of the movies apart from Infinity War
 
2021-01-23 4:51:32 AM  

padraig: Also, this episode gave an other indication that Avengers : Age of Ultron was the most impactful of the movies apart from Infinity War


It was certainly impactful on Wanda.  Her brother died and her homeland was devastated.
 
2021-01-23 5:09:59 AM  
The Sokovia Accords were also a result of Age of Ultron, hence leading to Civil War. it gave us Scarlet Witch AND Vision, who are and are becoming extremely important. Also, there was the rant in Endgame where Stark gave awaybhis bitterness about the opposition to his project about a shield around the world.
It's also got the first (although somewhat clumsy) mention of the infinity stones.
 
2021-01-23 7:36:39 AM  
I can accept everything that is happening on the show, Magic and AI and infinity stones and yada yada yada.

What took me out of the episode is when Vision, in a 70s era sitcom, learned the phone was dead he yelled "damn"

THIS, my friends, is why I don't enjoy anything!!!
 
2021-01-23 8:19:29 AM  

buntz: I can accept everything that is happening on the show, Magic and AI and infinity stones and yada yada yada.

What took me out of the episode is when Vision, in a 70s era sitcom, learned the phone was dead he yelled "damn"

THIS, my friends, is why I don't enjoy anything!!!


Vision has yelled Damn! at a key moment in each episode. His doing so is indicative of something.
 
2021-01-23 8:29:33 AM  

LZeitgeist: Vision has yelled Damn! at a key moment in each episode. His doing so is indicative of something.


Is that so?  I hadn't noticed before.

In that case, it's an interesting detail and I rescind my formal complaint!
 
2021-01-23 8:43:08 AM  

padraig: Also, this episode gave an other indication that Avengers : Age of Ultron was the most impactful of the movies apart from Infinity War


Disney+ served up AoU as the Watch Next screen when the episode was over.

AoU was a letdown when it came out but it has gotten better as the MCU goes on because they keep reinforcing why it needed to be there.
 
2021-01-23 9:37:22 AM  
I'll call it now: There are two factions trying to get to the center of this reality disturbance, which is Wanda. Agatha Harkness and Photon might be the good guys from SWORD.

But who are the bad guys? Could Dottie be Mephisto? "The devil's in the details."  And is Herb actually Herbert Wyndham? There already is a reference to Bova in episode 2's animated opening.
 
2021-01-23 9:40:03 AM  

Unbridled Apathy: NetOwl: BafflerMeal: This should be a spolier thread, because it discusses and actual episode but for those who can't figure that out...

*Spoiler theory question*


Wtf do I keep seeing people online saying shiat about Mephisto? Been a Marvel kid since the 70s and I didn't notice anything in the episode leading in that direction.


Agnes == Anne Harkness, thus Ralph == Mephisto?

That's what I've read.

Not being a comics aficionado, I can't say how plausible that is.

I think they are looking to avoid Mephisto in the MCU


the Mephisto connection may be a possibility.. they may decide to avoid that route.. but they're pretty much screaming at us that Agnes is Agatha Harkness at this point
 
2021-01-23 9:48:52 AM  

padraig: The Sokovia Accords were also a result of Age of Ultron, hence leading to Civil War. it gave us Scarlet Witch AND Vision, who are and are becoming extremely important. Also, there was the rant in Endgame where Stark gave awaybhis bitterness about the opposition to his project about a shield around the world.
It's also got the first (although somewhat clumsy) mention of the infinity stones.


And Supposedly it was when Cap realized (and Thor suspected) that he could lift Thor's hammer.

Also, was super speed always one of Vision's powers? Wanda made reference to him being able to move at the speed of sound and he moved like her brother in this episode. Rumor Control has it that one or maybe both versions of Quicksilver may appear.
Also, the part where Wanda hit rewind on Vision was done so quick, I thought one of our cats hit the remote.
 
2021-01-23 9:52:34 AM  
I think the ads mean something, but this one didn't seem to connect to the MCU the same way the first two did...
 
2021-01-23 9:54:21 AM  

NKURyan: I think the ads mean something, but this one didn't seem to connect to the MCU the same way the first two did...


Maybe Calgon took her away. That's who's holding her.
 
2021-01-23 9:55:24 AM  

kibbled: I believe the 50's sitcom reality is Wanda's way of coping with loss. The other characters in that reality are either figments of Wanda's imagination or S.W.O.R.D. agents trying to help Wanda get out. At least the one person who was thrown out of the bubble was an agent.


This is an interesting idea, but a) there are ad breaks and b) we know that someone is watching this all on a TV monitor. Why would she make those as part of her reality bubble?
 
2021-01-23 9:55:36 AM  

TelemonianAjax: padraig: Also, this episode gave an other indication that Avengers : Age of Ultron was the most impactful of the movies apart from Infinity War

Disney+ served up AoU as the Watch Next screen when the episode was over.

AoU was a letdown when it came out but it has gotten better as the MCU goes on because they keep reinforcing why it needed to be there.


AoU has aged pretty well for me. I find I enjoy it more now than I did at the time.

Wandavision's reality seems to be breaking down faster as we get closer to present-day, so things will really start moving in the next two episodes.

I hope they don't explain too much, as they rescue Wanda. Fans know she's the power source, and  understand her trauma,  so the real mystery is how dangerous is what's she doing to objective reality. Is she breaking down the walls between dimensions as she runs her private tv universe? Please keep as much of the Twilight Zone mystery as possible, and let us wonder for a while who really did this, as phase 4 begins.

I want a Dr. Strange to cameo in the last episode and help her escape from her tv prison in order for them both to use their powers to get the phenomenon to collapse and save the world.
 
2021-01-23 9:57:07 AM  

NKURyan: I think the ads mean something, but this one didn't seem to connect to the MCU the same way the first two did...


two lines from the Hydra Soak ad really jumped out at me:

"when you want to get away without going anywhere"

"awaken the goddess within"
 
2021-01-23 10:03:46 AM  

poncelet: born_yesterday: Hmmm.  I'm gonna need more than a couple lines and a teaser scene at the end of the next episode.

They'll probably make us suffer through an 80s- and a 90s-era sitcom before they realize they can't go back to the well anymore and have to turn to the actual story.


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2021-01-23 10:07:34 AM  

skyotter: Just a couple more decades until Married With Children.


Of course, I posted the pic in response to a comment like 2 before this one.
 
2021-01-23 10:08:15 AM  

BafflerMeal: This should be a spolier thread, because it discusses and actual episode but for those who can't figure that out...

*Spoiler theory question*


Wtf do I keep seeing people online saying shiat about Mephisto? Been a Marvel kid since the 70s and I didn't notice anything in the episode leading in that direction.


The devil's in the details.

That's not all he's in.
 
2021-01-23 10:21:51 AM  
So, Vision is wholly imaginary here; right?  She's gonna realize she's in her own self-made reality and come back to real reality but learning Vision is still dead will be what breaks her to cause the Macguffin that brings in the FF and Xmen and so on from the Fox acquisition, right?
 
2021-01-23 10:25:34 AM  
The reference to Pietro just reinforces my theory that she'll try to get him back with her powers but will wind up pulling this guy into the MCU instead:

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2021-01-23 10:28:25 AM  

AdrienVeidt: So, Vision is wholly imaginary here; right?  She's gonna realize she's in her own self-made reality and come back to real reality but learning Vision is still dead will be what breaks her to cause the Macguffin that brings in the FF and Xmen and so on from the Fox acquisition, right?


Vision does seem to have some autonomy. He is learning that something is wrong. That seems to say he is somewhat sentient. That is an obvious problem needing to be addressed.
 
2021-01-23 10:34:50 AM  

sinner4ever: AdrienVeidt: So, Vision is wholly imaginary here; right?  She's gonna realize she's in her own self-made reality and come back to real reality but learning Vision is still dead will be what breaks her to cause the Macguffin that brings in the FF and Xmen and so on from the Fox acquisition, right?

Vision does seem to have some autonomy. He is learning that something is wrong. That seems to say he is somewhat sentient. That is an obvious problem needing to be addressed.


Might be that Wanda has pulled an alternate reality Vision into her sitcoms and is keeping him on a tight leash because she doesn't want to lose him again
 
2021-01-23 10:36:42 AM  

Mad_Radhu: The reference to Pietro just reinforces my theory that she'll try to get him back with her powers but will wind up pulling this guy into the MCU instead:

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There are plenty of rumors about a Quicksilver being part of Wandavision, but which one is the question.  Evan Peters keeps showing up in the google sidebar as part of the cast when you search for Wandavision.  And if this is going to help introduce the multiverse, it would be a fun way to do it.
 
2021-01-23 10:40:44 AM  
Wanda is in the center of this real neighborhood where she has lapsed into a trance/coma and has essentially taken the neighborhood hostage as her powers reshaped it into the sitcoms that she watched as a child in Sokovia. The people in the 'shows' are all locals who are now trapped there, and they've started to figure it out and find ways to break this warped reality. Some of them, like Monica Rambeau, are there trying to reach Wanda.

And all of this happened because, after nearly defeating Thanos on her own, Wanda entered a spiral of depression over the loss of Vision, and eventually lost control. If you watch her at Tony's funeral (the last time we saw her) she's zoned out. Not even "there", really. She has a lost, broken, far-away look in her eyes.

Wanda had a rough life. Her homeland was destroyed. Her parents were killed. Her twin brother was killed. She was experimented on by Baron Von Strucker. She accidentally killed many Wakandan civilians and inadvertently caused the creation of the Sokovia Accords. She managed to fall in love despite it all (with a synthezoid) and then had him taken away from her when Thanos jammed his fingers into Vision's head and ripped out the stone that was essentially one-third of his mind and this was AFTER she was forced to kill Vision herself in order to attempt to save the entire Universe... Which she failed to do. Then she was blipped out of existence, and when she came back five years later the only thought on her mind was to kill Thanos.

So yeah. She flipped out. She's in the middle of this fantasy she created from the pieces of a little neighborhood which is now surrounded by SWORD agents.

She has almost complete control over Vision when she can see him. That makes me believe he's entirely a construct of her powers. The neighbors, real people, have all been twisted to represent different aspects of her life and the challenges she faced, while also doubling as the friends she's missing/never had. The constant references to Hydra and Strucker in the commercial breaks are recalling her time as a Hydra experiment/pawn (and her guilt over letting her anger cloud her judgment enough to allow Hydra to warp her).

My suspicion is that it will be her version of Vision that will finally talk her down and bring her back to reality. I could be wrong, though.
 
2021-01-23 11:11:16 AM  

NeoCortex42: NKURyan: I think the ads mean something, but this one didn't seem to connect to the MCU the same way the first two did...

Maybe Calgon took her away. That's who's holding her.


Hydra Soap is not connected?
 
2021-01-23 11:24:52 AM  

BafflerMeal: My petvtheory so far: everyone inside is dead except Wanda and she created the reality bubble on her own. SWORD came to investigate. The two kids will come out alive as her kids in the Young Avengers.


I had the same thought; she's hallucinating while trying to process Vision's death.  However, why would an Eastern European hallucinate a bunch of American sit-coms that aired decades before her birth?  Did they get a lot of airtime via reruns in Eastern Europe??
 
2021-01-23 11:27:27 AM  

indy_kid: Did they get a lot of airtime via reruns in Eastern Europe??


yes, actually
 
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