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(Some Guy)   Think about integrity much? I didn't. Sure, there are bad apples, but by-and-large integrity is a default. It's not even something we talk about. Not so in ______ Where would you not move to again?   (outline.com) divider line
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2021-01-22 1:12:40 PM  
Florida has an integrity problem. They seem to feed on tourists and retired transplants. 
If you love somebody, don't let them hire native Floridian contractors, etc. Actually, don't let them move to Florida at all. Build them a greenhouse and consider yourself lucky. It will cost less in the long run.
 
2021-01-22 1:16:39 PM  
Arizona. Never farking EVER again.
 
2021-01-22 1:19:26 PM  
The entire DC Metro area.  Jesus Fark, dating was a nightmare.  It's the largest per-capita collection of lawyers on the planet - try getting a straight answer about anything.
 
2021-01-22 1:23:37 PM  
Central Texas
 
2021-01-22 1:24:56 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The entire DC Metro area.  Jesus Fark, dating was a nightmare.  It's the largest per-capita collection of lawyers on the planet - try getting a straight answer about anything.


Buttsex: Y/N/Maybe?

/I assume that's a prerequisite in DC.
 
2021-01-22 1:28:15 PM  
Tried living in TX,FL and AZ and fark all of them. Been in CO for a decade and it has only gotten better over time. Lower total tax and cost of living compared to all three.
 
2021-01-22 1:28:47 PM  
California.
 
2021-01-22 1:32:39 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The entire DC Metro area.  Jesus Fark, dating was a nightmare.  It's the largest per-capita collection of lawyers on the planet - try getting a straight answer about anything.


I'd object, but I imported my wife from Chicago, so....
 
2021-01-22 1:33:06 PM  
Wow, he do no recon whatsoever before moving and the place wasn't everything he'd imagined, what are the odds?

That being said: I can't see myself ever living in the Hampton Roads area ever again.
 
2021-01-22 1:37:51 PM  
On one hand, he comes off as an entitled tech-bro. On the other hand, sure, I'd pick California over Texas any day of the week and I've never even been to California.
 
2021-01-22 1:43:39 PM  
Boston.  It was a fantastic place to have lived for a while and I wouldn't mind visiting again, but it really is full of assholes, and not just the ones from New York.
 
2021-01-22 1:44:57 PM  
Bay Area -> Austin, 20+ years ago here.  I think this is bait, or writer is on some kind of spectrum.  But I'll bite.

You bought a 4000 sq ft house with a pool, and then complain about cost and utilities?  mmm-k.
Weather:  It is TX hot, I can't argue with that.  Humidity causes food to spoil fast?  WTAF?  Maybe store it in a fridge, or inside your air conditioned house, instead of in your garage or yard?
No public land:  WTAF?  Enchanted Rock does get very crowded, just have to go off peak and plan.  How about Pedernales Falls, the Greenbelt, Lady Bird Lake, hike & bike trails, Lake Travis, Pace Bend Park, McKinney Falls, etc etc?  Maybe not as grand as Yosemite and many CA spots, but pretty off base to say no place to go.
Dishonesty:  Wut?  The guy who pulled carpet in my house did it badly, so Austin bad?
Yelp:  Wut?
Rudeness:  Simply not true in my 20 years experience.  Folks are friendly here for the most part.  But I also grew up in Jersey so I may have a different perspective.
Monoculture:  Depends on exactly where you live and who you associate with.  If he's working for a semi company, there's likely a lot of diversity there.
The car washes were lame:  I'll skip this.
Kindergarten teacher was mean, so Austin bad?  Starting to see a theme here.
cedar allergies:  Ehhh... got me there.  It does suck.  Gets better for most people after a few years.

tl;dr:  glad you went back to the Bay Area
 
2021-01-22 1:48:00 PM  
I have no complaints of specific actual-geographic places I've lived (and there are a lot... Ohio, Hamburg, Boston, HK, SF, Joisey Citty, Hoboken, Miami, Manhattan, Brooklyn, Storrs-Mansfield, Brockton, Cape Cod, E.Mansfield, Philadelphia, ...) - I loved every single one of those locales, for their own inherent reasons.

no, my only issues were ever 3 particular horrifically-irresponsible reprehensible landladies. in chronological order: JC, Woods Hole, Falmouth.
 
2021-01-22 1:51:38 PM  
I like California enough to know I wouldn't want to live in any other state, and I don't even live in a particularly "in demand" part of California.

/I don't like humidity plus heat, but I do like warm winters
//I don't like the cold or things that come with it (IE, snow and ice)
///and that's before trying to measure the quality of the people
 
2021-01-22 1:51:42 PM  

gunsmack: Wow, he do no recon whatsoever before moving and the place wasn't everything he'd imagined, what are the odds?

That being said: I can't see myself ever living in the Hampton Roads area ever again.


My exact thought was, "Californian moves to Texas, is shocked to discover himself surrounded by Texas culture." I mean, he might have a couple of valid complaints but 90% of that tantrum could have been averted if he researched on any site other than Yelp.

And yes, the people of Austin would like you to stop moving there. A large portion of the problems there are caused by sprawl and wealthy people driving up the costs of everything.
 
2021-01-22 1:52:10 PM  

Barnhawk72: You bought a 4000 sq ft house with a pool, and then complain about cost and utilities?  mmm-k.


as is our tradition, I DNRTFA. but... wow. seriously? wow.

that person is in their own separate special category of stupid!
 
2021-01-22 2:00:08 PM  

tintar: Barnhawk72: You bought a 4000 sq ft house with a pool, and then complain about cost and utilities?  mmm-k.

as is our tradition, I DNRTFA. but... wow. seriously? wow.

that person is in their own separate special category of stupid!


That being said, his complaint seems to be that such costs more than it would in California for the same sized house.
 
2021-01-22 2:01:30 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The entire DC Metro area.  Jesus Fark, dating was a nightmare.  It's the largest per-capita collection of lawyers on the planet - try getting a straight answer about anything.


Come down with me after this virus BS subsides. Awesome city (state).

Bring your fat wallet.
 
2021-01-22 2:04:15 PM  
Jefferson county AL
Didnt realize how bad it was until I got out of Trussville
When we moved our taxes and such went to about half of what they were
 
2021-01-22 2:04:22 PM  

psilocyberguy: Benevolent Misanthrope: The entire DC Metro area.  Jesus Fark, dating was a nightmare.  It's the largest per-capita collection of lawyers on the planet - try getting a straight answer about anything.

Come down with me after this virus BS subsides. Awesome city (state).

Bring your fat wallet.


Yeah, no.  I like Alaska, thanks.
 
2021-01-22 2:12:36 PM  

Barnhawk72: Bay Area -> Austin, 20+ years ago here.  I think this is bait, or writer is on some kind of spectrum.  But I'll bite.

You bought a 4000 sq ft house with a pool, and then complain about cost and utilities?  mmm-k.
Weather:  It is TX hot, I can't argue with that.  Humidity causes food to spoil fast?  WTAF?  Maybe store it in a fridge, or inside your air conditioned house, instead of in your garage or yard?
No public land:  WTAF?  Enchanted Rock does get very crowded, just have to go off peak and plan.  How about Pedernales Falls, the Greenbelt, Lady Bird Lake, hike & bike trails, Lake Travis, Pace Bend Park, McKinney Falls, etc etc?  Maybe not as grand as Yosemite and many CA spots, but pretty off base to say no place to go.
Dishonesty:  Wut?  The guy who pulled carpet in my house did it badly, so Austin bad?
Yelp:  Wut?
Rudeness:  Simply not true in my 20 years experience.  Folks are friendly here for the most part.  But I also grew up in Jersey so I may have a different perspective.
Monoculture:  Depends on exactly where you live and who you associate with.  If he's working for a semi company, there's likely a lot of diversity there.
The car washes were lame:  I'll skip this.
Kindergarten teacher was mean, so Austin bad?  Starting to see a theme here.
cedar allergies:  Ehhh... got me there.  It does suck.  Gets better for most people after a few years.

tl;dr:  glad you went back to the Bay Area


Said he was from San Diego.

Also whined about paying for water.  As opposed to simply grabbing all the local water as San Diego is wont to do.  Whined about paying for labor.  People who can afford 2000+/4000 sqft houses in San Diego/Austin simply *have* to be waited on hand and foot and absolutely hate paying for such service.  What is so hard to understand?

If he went to the Bay Area (or even back to San Diego) I'm sure he'll whine about that as well.
 
2021-01-22 2:12:40 PM  
grew up in Omaha NE.  absolutely would not move back.  summers are too hot.  winters are too cold. not especially progressive from a social standpoint.  very midwestern.

Lived in Denver for about 5 years.  It seemed to be torn between wanting to be san francisco (socially liberal) austin (yeehaw cattle!) and omaha (bland and unchallenging).  At that time - mid 90s - there was a triangle of places people were either coming from or going to - texas, california and colorado.  denver happened to absorb most of the young people who grew up on the farms or in the small towns in NE, WY, MT, UT, or KS and wanted some new experiences and new people.  If that was what you needed, denver soured on you quickly as it still ended up feeling rural and isolated.  That's to say nothing of the local natural beauty - the hiking biking and skiing were/are world class.  It seems to have become a little more cosmopolitan and I suppose if i absolutely positively couldn't hack it in CA anymore, I'd consider going back.
 
2021-01-22 2:16:22 PM  
I lived in New Jersey for awhile. The actual living part wasn't bad, and they make an excellent chili dog.
But the road system was designed by a greedy sadist on LSD.
Quick! You need to make a left turn! Which lane should you be in?
Wrong.
Now you have to pay a toll to turn around and go back.
And you have to pay another toll to turn back in this direction and try again.
And don't forget there's another toll if you actually make the turn correctly.
Hope you brought enough change because there's no place to stop and check the floor mats for spare coins.
 
2021-01-22 2:22:55 PM  
My private pool is too expensive to maintain, it rains, and the car washes suck.

Austin is better off without this a hole. I'm surprised California let him back in.
 
2021-01-22 2:22:55 PM  
I think subby's supposition that human beings are not inherently lacking in integrity everywhere is hogwash. I'm surprised to have been the first one to say so.
 
2021-01-22 2:24:41 PM  
If I wanted to live in those climactic conditions, I'd have built my home to suit them in the first place, with passive solar and solar hot water for winter heat,  supplemental woodburning/pellet  stove/fireplace,  PV solar just to power/ backstop the AC and de-humidifier system,  Triple-insulated windows, insulated walls, Thick adobe or brick exterior walls for thermal mass, passive cooling window venting system with a good draft setup, helped with fans. Long roof overhangs to create shade. Pergolas and sunsails.  Xeriscaping outside; no lawn to water. Pool also on solar for filtration.

I think part of the high cost of living there is that the homes are generally stick-built cookie-cutter jobs ill suited to the location.
 
2021-01-22 2:31:06 PM  

Barnhawk72: Bay Area -> Austin, 20+ years ago here.  I think this is bait, or writer is on some kind of spectrum.  But I'll bite.

You bought a 4000 sq ft house with a pool, and then complain about cost and utilities?  mmm-k.
Weather:  It is TX hot, I can't argue with that.  Humidity causes food to spoil fast?  WTAF?  Maybe store it in a fridge, or inside your air conditioned house, instead of in your garage or yard?
No public land:  WTAF?  Enchanted Rock does get very crowded, just have to go off peak and plan.  How about Pedernales Falls, the Greenbelt, Lady Bird Lake, hike & bike trails, Lake Travis, Pace Bend Park, McKinney Falls, etc etc?  Maybe not as grand as Yosemite and many CA spots, but pretty off base to say no place to go.
Dishonesty:  Wut?  The guy who pulled carpet in my house did it badly, so Austin bad?
Yelp:  Wut?
Rudeness:  Simply not true in my 20 years experience.  Folks are friendly here for the most part.  But I also grew up in Jersey so I may have a different perspective.
Monoculture:  Depends on exactly where you live and who you associate with.  If he's working for a semi company, there's likely a lot of diversity there.
The car washes were lame:  I'll skip this.
Kindergarten teacher was mean, so Austin bad?  Starting to see a theme here.
cedar allergies:  Ehhh... got me there.  It does suck.  Gets better for most people after a few years.

tl;dr:  glad you went back to the Bay Area


All of Texas sucks because it is in Texas
 
2021-01-22 2:35:29 PM  
Austin is lovely.  Some Dude is a whiner.
 
2021-01-22 3:14:55 PM  

Jackal_N: Florida has an integrity problem. They seem to feed on tourists and retired transplants. 
If you love somebody, don't let them hire native Floridian contractors, etc. Actually, don't let them move to Florida at all. Build them a greenhouse and consider yourself lucky. It will cost less in the long run.


We have some relatives who moved there for work in the 80s.  They warned us about what they called "Hurricane Mentality".  Hurricane Mentality is "Why do a good job if it will just get blown away."  Contractors in Florida are prone to doing halfass work, and everyone does it, so nobody sees it as a problem.

My parents have lived there for 7 years.  It's still all hurricane mentality and with droves of Yankees moving down every year, nobody cares.  Nobody is really punished for being terrible at their job.
 
2021-01-22 3:36:10 PM  
So we bought a 4,000-square-foot house ... Big, luxury home obsession

Dude....

I've lived a lot of places. What you see is pretty typical of Red States but certainly not limited to them. What I most wonder is how you never ran into any assholes in Cali.
 
2021-01-22 3:43:10 PM  

edmo: So we bought a 4,000-square-foot house ... Big, luxury home obsession

Dude....

I've lived a lot of places. What you see is pretty typical of Red States but certainly not limited to them. What I most wonder is how you never ran into any assholes in Cali.


San Diego is red Cali and a real asshole magnet
 
2021-01-22 3:43:18 PM  

Geotpf: tintar: Barnhawk72: You bought a 4000 sq ft house with a pool, and then complain about cost and utilities?  mmm-k.

as is our tradition, I DNRTFA. but... wow. seriously? wow.

that person is in their own separate special category of stupid!

That being said, his complaint seems to be that such costs more than it would in California for the same sized house.


hunh! fair point, very fair point. (again, DNRTFA, lol)

/my ig'nance is no excuse, tho'
 
2021-01-22 5:24:00 PM  
Who would have thought a yard in the desert would take a lot of water.
 
2021-01-22 8:03:57 PM  
Hellinois! I keep moving away and having bro come back. It's killing me, sucking away bits of my soul on a daily basis.
 
2021-01-22 9:01:56 PM  
I wouldn't live in the Chicago burbs again. So much traffic. So cold. So boring. O'Hare is the friggin' worst.
 
2021-01-23 1:41:42 AM  
Southern Illinois.

A plague of ticks every spring, summer, and fall; horseflies bigger than your thumbs; 99-degree heat mixed with 99% humidity; 30% nice people, 30% religious wackaloons, 40% white trash so bad that The Gathering of the Juggalos actually raises the average IQ; Mike Bost (R-atfarker); meth-head white supremacy run amok; and semi-annual ice storms that assure that you can't farking leave.

On the other hand, there's Quatro's Pizza and 17th Street Barbecue.
 
2021-01-23 8:39:14 AM  
I used to live on the North Shore of Oahu. The absolute worst thing about that place was all the Californians biatching about how it wasn't like where they came from. GO HOME!
 
2021-01-23 9:16:42 AM  

redsquid: I used to live on the North Shore of Oahu. The absolute worst thing about that place was all the Californians biatching about how it wasn't like where they came from. GO HOME!


(a.) jelly! so verra, verra jealous.
(2.) lol. sounds about right.

an ex-fiancée, born in HK, grew up in SF... after we met, she got accepted to SVA in Manhattan. so I moved from SF to Hoboken with her (well, at the time I had my own apt. in JC)

her very first sight of NYC? "it's... everything is so small. AND SO DIRTY!!! I HATE THIS PLACE!"
me: ummm, you used to live in Hong Kong?
hers: I was only 4 years old I don't remember any of that! Sam Fan Si is so beautiful, Manhattan is so ugly!!!

/eh, she got used to it
//and yet... HK >> NYC, fight me on that.
///saam
 
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