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2021-01-22 8:44:00 AM  
I'm sure we still have some tiny island in the Pacific. And we already have a trade deal with Japan and Canada who are key TPP members.
 
2021-01-22 9:26:49 AM  
It's still good! It's still good!

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2021-01-22 9:31:02 AM  
As a Canadian, I would like to see us look very closely at joining the EU.  Geography is very arbitrary consideration in my opinion.
 
2021-01-22 9:43:29 AM  
UK claims 'Pacificness' via the Pitcairn Islands, which are on the verge of becoming uninhabited.

What Canada needs to do is invite Scotland to become its 11th province. That would make Canada even more European than the UK is Pacific. Then, it can join the EU.
 
2021-01-22 10:03:31 AM  
New Zealand wants vastly improved access to UK markets for our agricultural products and is prepared to veto UK  entry into the CPTPP if we don't get it in the bilateral FTA negotiations currently under way. Source

There's a deal to be done, but the UK farming lobby isn't going to like it. I can imagine Australia and Japan,who are also negotiating bilateral FTAs with the, UK will use this as a point of leverage too.
 
2021-01-22 10:19:28 AM  
The USA is going to end up being the only country not in the TPP.

Thanks, Trump!
 
2021-01-22 10:30:19 AM  

thisispete: New Zealand wants vastly improved access to UK markets for our agricultural products and is prepared to veto UK  entry into the CPTPP if we don't get it in the bilateral FTA negotiations currently under way. Source

There's a deal to be done, but the UK farming lobby isn't going to like it. I can imagine Australia and Japan,who are also negotiating bilateral FTAs with the, UK will use this as a point of leverage too.


Kinda wondering how access can be improved much further, as NZ already supplies 70% of our lamb.
 
2021-01-22 10:52:11 AM  

Threp: thisispete: New Zealand wants vastly improved access to UK markets for our agricultural products and is prepared to veto UK  entry into the CPTPP if we don't get it in the bilateral FTA negotiations currently under way. Source

There's a deal to be done, but the UK farming lobby isn't going to like it. I can imagine Australia and Japan,who are also negotiating bilateral FTAs with the, UK will use this as a point of leverage too.

Kinda wondering how access can be improved much further, as NZ already supplies 70% of our lamb.


Dairy. That's NZ's biggest industry.
 
2021-01-22 10:54:49 AM  
congrats, the pitcairn islands will be admitted to the tpp.  unfortunately their principal export is child sexual abuse
 
2021-01-22 11:09:53 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: congrats, the pitcairn islands will be admitted to the tpp.  unfortunately their principal export is child sexual abuse


And incest, don't forget the incest.
 
2021-01-22 11:09:59 AM  

mrshowrules: As a Canadian, I would like to see us look very closely at joining the EU.  Geography is very arbitrary consideration in my opinion.


That is an awful idea.
 
2021-01-22 11:12:39 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I'm sure we still have some tiny island in the Pacific. And we already have a trade deal with Japan and Canada who are key TPP members.


We should get into the TPP. We are the ones that created it to incentivize replacing China with other Pacific rim nations for production.

Also, I don't think you need to leverage our territorial islands in the Pacific for membership. We have five whole states that border the Pacific ocean.
 
2021-01-22 11:13:34 AM  
The sun never sets on the British Commonwealth.
 
2021-01-22 11:15:20 AM  
Don't do it guys. They eat shiat and leaves.
 
2021-01-22 11:15:50 AM  

mrshowrules: As a Canadian, I would like to see us look very closely at joining the EU.  Geography is very arbitrary consideration in my opinion.


No.

I like our money. Replace the Queen when she dies, though. Like with Terry Fox or somebody universally beloved.
 
2021-01-22 11:17:53 AM  
March 2019:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he was strongly considering NATO membership for Brazil as he welcomed Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro to the White House.
 
2021-01-22 11:19:35 AM  

Langdon_777: Dead for Tax Reasons: congrats, the pitcairn islands will be admitted to the tpp.  unfortunately their principal export is child sexual abuse

And incest, don't forget the incest.


This sounds like a possible solution to the Brexit Sex Arse problem though.  Ship all the Sex Arses to the Pitcairns for the islanders to, erm, utilize.
 
2021-01-22 11:19:47 AM  
Dear British government:
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But be careful. This partnership might be... EVER-GROWING!
 
2021-01-22 11:21:40 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I'm sure we still have some tiny island in the Pacific. And we already have a trade deal with Japan and Canada who are key TPP members.


The transitive theory of international law, everyone.
 
2021-01-22 11:23:38 AM  

Threp: thisispete: New Zealand wants vastly improved access to UK markets for our agricultural products and is prepared to veto UK  entry into the CPTPP if we don't get it in the bilateral FTA negotiations currently under way. Source

There's a deal to be done, but the UK farming lobby isn't going to like it. I can imagine Australia and Japan,who are also negotiating bilateral FTAs with the, UK will use this as a point of leverage too.

Kinda wondering how access can be improved much further, as NZ already supplies 70% of our lamb.


I just read an article about how NZ was irritated that there's more red tape exporting sheep into the UK than the EU. Couldn't UK just eliminate the Tex tape?
 
2021-01-22 11:23:55 AM  
*red tape ?
 
2021-01-22 11:25:17 AM  
Look man, if the New Orleans Pelicans and Memphis Grizzlies are allowed to play in the NBA's Western Conference, the UK can join whatever regional trade agreement they want.
 
2021-01-22 11:26:12 AM  
Don't they have enough problems fishing as it is?
 
2021-01-22 11:27:30 AM  

mrshowrules: As a Canadian, I would like to see us look very closely at joining the EU.  Geography is very arbitrary consideration in my opinion.


I mean, Denmark is in the EU. And Greenland is part of Denmark....
 
2021-01-22 11:27:48 AM  
Big difference between the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the Trans Pacific Partnership.  The US just has to identify as a Pacific nation for this one.

/read the fine print
//I'll show myself out
 
2021-01-22 11:27:51 AM  

thisispete: New Zealand wants vastly improved access to UK markets for our agricultural products and is prepared to veto UK  entry into the CPTPP if we don't get it in the bilateral FTA negotiations currently under way. Source

There's a deal to be done, but the UK farming lobby isn't going to like it. I can imagine Australia and Japan,who are also negotiating bilateral FTAs with the, UK will use this as a point of leverage too.


We used to buy a huge amount of butter and lamb from NZ but joining the EU killed that trade off, and the price of butter here shot up, so it would be good to get that trade back.

Paddy: Dear British government:[Fark user image 425x230] [View Full Size image _x_]

But be careful. This partnership might be... EVER-GROWING!


Ever growing in the number of members? Cool. Ever growing in the sense of making laws over us, having a supreme court tell our courts what to do, having their own army etc? Is that likely?

mrshowrules: As a Canadian, I would like to see us look very closely at joining the EU.  Geography is very arbitrary consideration in my opinion.


If you did then the EU would force you to stop producing chlorine washed chicken, so it wouldn't be all bad. But then they'd also start making laws in many other areas you'd have to obey. As a Canadian myself, living in the UK and just escaped the EU, I'd be very much against that.
 
2021-01-22 11:29:42 AM  
Imagine if the UK had a huge economic collective near them that they could join, it would benefit them so much to become a member of such a thing.
 
2021-01-22 11:30:06 AM  

Langdon_777: Dead for Tax Reasons: congrats, the pitcairn islands will be admitted to the tpp.  unfortunately their principal export is child sexual abuse

And incest, don't forget the incest.


No Covid though...
 
2021-01-22 11:34:03 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Don't they have enough problems fishing as it is?


Lol, Boris signs them up for the TPP and the next morning the Brits wake up to a Japanese whaling fleet steaming up the Thames.
 
2021-01-22 11:34:04 AM  
And five minutes after joining they will threaten to leave, unless they get special treatment.
 
2021-01-22 11:36:14 AM  
Maybe they just want to go the long way around to trade with California.
 
2021-01-22 11:39:06 AM  

Langdon_777: Imagine if the UK had a huge economic collective near them that they could join, it would benefit them so much to become a member of such a thing.


The EU isn't a free trade area. It is a political union, a United States Of Europe.

Let me know when TPP announces it wants its own Parliament, laws, courts, army etc.
 
2021-01-22 11:39:51 AM  

justinguarini4ever: mrshowrules: As a Canadian, I would like to see us look very closely at joining the EU.  Geography is very arbitrary consideration in my opinion.

That is an awful idea.


Why? Because Canada would have to actually begin to align with Europe instead of just saying they're more like Europe than they are the US?
 
2021-01-22 11:41:25 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Langdon_777: Imagine if the UK had a huge economic collective near them that they could join, it would benefit them so much to become a member of such a thing.

The EU isn't a free trade area. It is a political union, a United States Of Europe.

Let me know when TPP announces it wants its own Parliament, laws, courts, army etc.


Sigh - I was trying to be funny :p but yes you are correct, the boring kind of correct.
 
2021-01-22 11:42:35 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: mrshowrules: As a Canadian, I would like to see us look very closely at joining the EU.  Geography is very arbitrary consideration in my opinion.

I mean, Denmark is in the EU. And Greenland is part of Denmark....


And thanks to the existence of French Guiana, the EU has a direct 700km long land border with Brazil.
So the idea of Canada joining isn't that far fetched.
 
2021-01-22 11:46:58 AM  

mofa: Threp: thisispete: New Zealand wants vastly improved access to UK markets for our agricultural products and is prepared to veto UK  entry into the CPTPP if we don't get it in the bilateral FTA negotiations currently under way. Source

There's a deal to be done, but the UK farming lobby isn't going to like it. I can imagine Australia and Japan,who are also negotiating bilateral FTAs with the, UK will use this as a point of leverage too.

Kinda wondering how access can be improved much further, as NZ already supplies 70% of our lamb.

I just read an article about how NZ was irritated that there's more red tape exporting sheep into the UK than the EU. Couldn't UK just eliminate the Tex tape?


That I can answer slightly - some of the family are still shepherds. It's mainly the vet certificates needed for both live animals and meat - we don't have a few livestock diseases here (rabies, foot and mouth, some forms of scrapie, off the top of my head) that NZ does, and we'd rather not introduce them.

/note: that's foot and mouth disease. Foot in mouth disease is alive, well, and flourishing in Westminster.
 
2021-01-22 11:49:51 AM  

Threp: mofa: Threp: thisispete: New Zealand wants vastly improved access to UK markets for our agricultural products and is prepared to veto UK  entry into the CPTPP if we don't get it in the bilateral FTA negotiations currently under way. Source

There's a deal to be done, but the UK farming lobby isn't going to like it. I can imagine Australia and Japan,who are also negotiating bilateral FTAs with the, UK will use this as a point of leverage too.

Kinda wondering how access can be improved much further, as NZ already supplies 70% of our lamb.

I just read an article about how NZ was irritated that there's more red tape exporting sheep into the UK than the EU. Couldn't UK just eliminate the Tex tape?

That I can answer slightly - some of the family are still shepherds. It's mainly the vet certificates needed for both live animals and meat - we don't have a few livestock diseases here (rabies, foot and mouth, some forms of scrapie, off the top of my head) that NZ does, and we'd rather not introduce them.

/note: that's foot and mouth disease. Foot in mouth disease is alive, well, and flourishing in Westminster.


I can promise you that neither NZ or Australia has farking rabies.
 
2021-01-22 11:50:00 AM  

SMB2811: justinguarini4ever: mrshowrules: As a Canadian, I would like to see us look very closely at joining the EU.  Geography is very arbitrary consideration in my opinion.

That is an awful idea.

Why? Because Canada would have to actually begin to align with Europe instead of just saying they're more like Europe than they are the US?


Because we are Canadian, we aren't the US and we aren't Europe.
Free trade deals makes sense but that's it.
 
2021-01-22 11:50:13 AM  

Langdon_777: Dead for Tax Reasons: congrats, the pitcairn islands will be admitted to the tpp.  unfortunately their principal export is child sexual abuse

And incest, don't forget the incest.


For Pitcairn, both are pretty much the same product.
 
2021-01-22 11:50:40 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Langdon_777: Imagine if the UK had a huge economic collective near them that they could join, it would benefit them so much to become a member of such a thing.

The EU isn't a free trade area. It is a political union, a United States Of Europe.

Let me know when TPP announces it wants its own Parliament, laws, courts, army etc.


The EU started with trade deals, it's the foundation for continued integration. Small nations in Asia are mindful that at some point they'll have to stand together against their large, hungry neighbor or simply be consumed one at a time.
 
2021-01-22 11:52:29 AM  

Langdon_777: Carter Pewterschmidt: Langdon_777: Imagine if the UK had a huge economic collective near them that they could join, it would benefit them so much to become a member of such a thing.

The EU isn't a free trade area. It is a political union, a United States Of Europe.

Let me know when TPP announces it wants its own Parliament, laws, courts, army etc.

Sigh - I was trying to be funny :p but yes you are correct, the boring kind of correct.


The problem is there are a lot of people who genuinely think the EU is little more than a free trade area, hence thinking the UK is nuts for leaving. Free trade areas are good things. But the EU is not, and was never intended to be, a simple free trade area.
 
2021-01-22 11:52:39 AM  

fiddlehead: March 2019:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he was strongly considering NATO membership for Brazil as he welcomed Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro to the White House.


I was going to post that, with this:
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2021-01-22 12:03:23 PM  

Langdon_777: but yes you are correct


First time for everything!
 
2021-01-22 12:04:42 PM  

Langdon_777: Threp: mofa: Threp: thisispete: New Zealand wants vastly improved access to UK markets for our agricultural products and is prepared to veto UK  entry into the CPTPP if we don't get it in the bilateral FTA negotiations currently under way. Source

There's a deal to be done, but the UK farming lobby isn't going to like it. I can imagine Australia and Japan,who are also negotiating bilateral FTAs with the, UK will use this as a point of leverage too.

Kinda wondering how access can be improved much further, as NZ already supplies 70% of our lamb.

I just read an article about how NZ was irritated that there's more red tape exporting sheep into the UK than the EU. Couldn't UK just eliminate the Tex tape?

That I can answer slightly - some of the family are still shepherds. It's mainly the vet certificates needed for both live animals and meat - we don't have a few livestock diseases here (rabies, foot and mouth, some forms of scrapie, off the top of my head) that NZ does, and we'd rather not introduce them.

/note: that's foot and mouth disease. Foot in mouth disease is alive, well, and flourishing in Westminster.

I can promise you that neither NZ or Australia has farking rabies.


Only because rabies got killed off by your mutant killer dormice or somesuch.
 
2021-01-22 12:19:52 PM  

Langdon_777: Threp: mofa: Threp: thisispete: New Zealand wants vastly improved access to UK markets for our agricultural products and is prepared to veto UK  entry into the CPTPP if we don't get it in the bilateral FTA negotiations currently under way. Source

There's a deal to be done, but the UK farming lobby isn't going to like it. I can imagine Australia and Japan,who are also negotiating bilateral FTAs with the, UK will use this as a point of leverage too.

Kinda wondering how access can be improved much further, as NZ already supplies 70% of our lamb.

I just read an article about how NZ was irritated that there's more red tape exporting sheep into the UK than the EU. Couldn't UK just eliminate the Tex tape?

That I can answer slightly - some of the family are still shepherds. It's mainly the vet certificates needed for both live animals and meat - we don't have a few livestock diseases here (rabies, foot and mouth, some forms of scrapie, off the top of my head) that NZ does, and we'd rather not introduce them.

/note: that's foot and mouth disease. Foot in mouth disease is alive, well, and flourishing in Westminster.

I can promise you that neither NZ or Australia has farking rabies.


Nope. They don't. Included it mostly because it's one of the big 3 and I'm lazy.
 
2021-01-22 12:26:39 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: thisispete: New Zealand wants vastly improved access to UK markets for our agricultural products and is prepared to veto UK  entry into the CPTPP if we don't get it in the bilateral FTA negotiations currently under way. Source

There's a deal to be done, but the UK farming lobby isn't going to like it. I can imagine Australia and Japan,who are also negotiating bilateral FTAs with the, UK will use this as a point of leverage too.

We used to buy a huge amount of butter and lamb from NZ but joining the EU killed that trade off, and the price of butter here shot up, so it would be good to get that trade back.

Paddy: Dear British government:[Fark user image 425x230] [View Full Size image _x_]

But be careful. This partnership might be... EVER-GROWING!

Ever growing in the number of members? Cool. Ever growing in the sense of making laws over us, having a supreme court tell our courts what to do, having their own army etc? Is that likely?

mrshowrules: As a Canadian, I would like to see us look very closely at joining the EU.  Geography is very arbitrary consideration in my opinion.

If you did then the EU would force you to stop producing chlorine washed chicken, so it wouldn't be all bad. But then they'd also start making laws in many other areas you'd have to obey. As a Canadian myself, living in the UK and just escaped the EU, I'd be very much against that.


Oh well. I'm sure there are plenty of folks in Glasgow who hate it when London makes laws for them. Nations are just as much a manmade construct as cities or trans-national organizations or anything else, so unless you would like to go all the way to anarchy, there comes a point where people just have to adjust to being governed by someone who doesn't always make decisions they like. Such is life.

In the US we have plenty of people in the wealthier areas who get sick of dragging its poorer states by the scruff of their necks into the 20th century but, in all honesty all parties are better off for it whether they want it or not. But that's just an example. It turns out that in a world that contains China and the US, countries with only 66 million residents are going to have some stiff natural boundaries on their competitiveness, even after all the Brexit kinks are worked out, and if anyone is thinking that that situation is going to increase everyone's wealth, then all I can say is, you can't fix stupid.
 
2021-01-22 12:28:49 PM  

justinguarini4ever: mrshowrules: As a Canadian, I would like to see us look very closely at joining the EU.  Geography is very arbitrary consideration in my opinion.

That is an awful idea.


"The physical world is a very arbitrary consideration in economic policy," is what he just said.

It's like a stock trading algorithm has gained sentience.
 
2021-01-22 12:34:44 PM  

kbronsito: UK claims 'Pacificness' via the Pitcairn Islands, which are on the verge of becoming uninhabited.

What Canada needs to do is invite Scotland to become its 11th province. That would make Canada even more European than the UK is Pacific. Then, it can join the EU.


They have a New Scotland already. Time for Old Scotland.

Bring over Brunswick too, and if anyone has any old found land, that would be welcome as well.
 
2021-01-22 12:42:52 PM  

pdieten: Oh well. I'm sure there are plenty of folks in Glasgow who hate it when London makes laws for them.


Two of the previous four UK Prime MInisters were Scottish. And Scottish MPs have more power in Westminster than English MPs do. And they have far more power in Westminster than they would do in Brussels.

And if they don't like London "making laws" for them then maybe they should refuse the huge subsidy they get from England every year?

And don't forget Scotland chose to join the UK because they had bankrupted themselves with their Darien Scheme and wanted the English to bail them out.
 
2021-01-22 12:53:35 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: pdieten: Oh well. I'm sure there are plenty of folks in Glasgow who hate it when London makes laws for them.

Two of the previous four UK Prime MInisters were Scottish. And Scottish MPs have more power in Westminster than English MPs do. And they have far more power in Westminster than they would do in Brussels.

And if they don't like London "making laws" for them then maybe they should refuse the huge subsidy they get from England every year?

And don't forget Scotland chose to join the UK because they had bankrupted themselves with their Darien Scheme and wanted the English to bail them out.


Exactly right. You'd have to be bloody daft to think cold hard economic damage was worth it just to satisfy some nationalist chest-thumping about where laws are made.
 
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