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(NPR)   One in five terrorists involved in the Capitol siege served in the military   (npr.org) divider line
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2021-01-22 7:07:07 AM  
So, people willing to follow "orders" from imagined people in power.....I suspect the other 4 would consider themselves "highly or very religious"

Should we be shocked?
 
2021-01-22 8:34:12 AM  
Any break down of how many were honorably discharged?
 
2021-01-22 8:39:35 AM  
Stuff like this represents why I don't care for civilians to thank me for my service automatically. Not everyone who served did so honorably. The military has its UCMJ for reasons. Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape. Many did not or did not come home at all. Save your thanks for them and their families.
 
2021-01-22 9:56:03 AM  
Guess what subby snowflake. The military is full of dumbass people of all colors. Shockingly, some are even racists. Which is weird because the lower ranks are filled with lower-class (economically) whites and blacks who have more in common with each other than they do differences.
 
2021-01-22 10:07:02 AM  

AirForceVet: Stuff like this represents why I don't care for civilians to thank me for my service automatically. Not everyone who served did so honorably. The military has its UCMJ for reasons. Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape. Many did not or did not come home at all. Save your thanks for them and their families.


This.

I have a buddy in Montgomery who had two stepsons kicked out of the USAF and Army. Losers deluxe. They strut around talking about being veterans who did something. The third stepson loves Trump but that may be the PTSD after four Marine deployments. That kid's a mess, the only one of the three who actually served. And with distinction.

There are dummies in every branch but the smart ones who end up as Seals and officers? Hammer them but good.
 
2021-01-22 11:15:46 AM  
I don't say this lightly: Are any of them drawing a military paycheck?

Firing squad.
 
2021-01-22 2:31:16 PM  
Right wing extremism has been a staple of the military diet for decades.
 
2021-01-22 2:32:26 PM  
Some gave all, all gave dumb.
 
2021-01-22 2:33:14 PM  

AirForceVet: Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape.


Username checks out.

/Vets are the only people who boast about their old temp jobs. Hey, I once sorted out phone bills for AT&T, but I don't wear a little hat bragging about it.
 
2021-01-22 2:33:25 PM  
I'll get destroyed for this but generally people don't join the military if they're mentally capable of doing something else.

/ Army brat
// Dad broke the rule, he was smart but had to escape a situation
 
2021-01-22 2:33:41 PM  
Newsflash: Police and military tend to politically lean heavily to the right.
 
2021-01-22 2:33:49 PM  
Well.. when you have been pumping the military, the police etc full of jingoistic hero worship bullshiat since 9/11 , this is what you end up with.
 
2021-01-22 2:33:58 PM  
Revoke whatever military benefits they receive based on their service. They broke their oath to constitution so the federal government they tried to usurp owes them nothing.
 
2021-01-22 2:34:40 PM  
If you can learn how to be a criminal in prison you can learn how to be a terrorist in war.
 
2021-01-22 2:34:49 PM  

AirForceVet: Stuff like this represents why I don't care for civilians to thank me for my service automatically. Not everyone who served did so honorably. The military has its UCMJ for reasons. Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape. Many did not or did not come home at all. Save your thanks for them and their families.


I met some of the biggest dirtbags ever in the military.   People never believe me when I tell them this.
 
2021-01-22 2:34:58 PM  
Take away their benefits.
 
2021-01-22 2:35:12 PM  
I am still surprised my Trump humping, tossed out of the army cousin wasn't there and if was I haven't seen him in the pictures yet.
 
2021-01-22 2:35:14 PM  
Some of those that work forces ...
 
2021-01-22 2:35:32 PM  
Gee, let me act surprised.

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2021-01-22 2:37:42 PM  

AirForceVet: Stuff like this represents why I don't care for civilians to thank me for my service automatically. Not everyone who served did so honorably. The military has its UCMJ for reasons. Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape. Many did not or did not come home at all. Save your thanks for them and their families.


This.  I'm uncomfortable getting thanked for my service.

/USAF, retired 2001
 
2021-01-22 2:37:49 PM  

Liquid_Bacon: AirForceVet: Stuff like this represents why I don't care for civilians to thank me for my service automatically. Not everyone who served did so honorably. The military has its UCMJ for reasons. Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape. Many did not or did not come home at all. Save your thanks for them and their families.

I met some of the biggest dirtbags ever in the military.   People never believe me when I tell them this.


I believe you. I helped chapter some of them out.
 
2021-01-22 2:38:26 PM  
It's been a big problem sincethe 90s...

Maybe they'll actually do more about now.
 
2021-01-22 2:38:46 PM  
Targeted advertising on social media must be criminalized.
 
2021-01-22 2:39:33 PM  
How is it that former military doesn't understand what the constitution says?
 
2021-01-22 2:39:38 PM  
Well, they're definitely not Being All They Can Be.
Or maybe they are, which is just sad.


AirForceVet: Stuff like this represents why I don't care for civilians to thank me for my service automatically. Not everyone who served did so honorably. The military has its UCMJ for reasons. Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape. Many did not or did not come home at all. Save your thanks for them and their families.


I've honestly always thought that was a kinda awkward or uncomfortable thing to do.  People have all sorts of different reasons for serving, experiences while there, and opinions about what they're asked to do.  It seems like treating something very personal in a very blanket/superficial way.
 
2021-01-22 2:40:11 PM  

AirForceVet: Stuff like this represents why I don't care for civilians to thank me for my service automatically. Not everyone who served did so honorably. The military has its UCMJ for reasons. Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape. Many did not or did not come home at all. Save your thanks for them and their families.


A friend's husband is one of these types.  He'd probably have gone to this thing if he didn't have covid at the same time and he was dishonorably discharged for selling meth while in the Marines.  He's proud of the time he spent in prison.  Advertises his business as "veteran owned".  He's a real tool.  I learned to never make assumptions about a person's honor for serving from him
 
2021-01-22 2:40:15 PM  
Heh,

I remember around the election some farkers were dog piling on me for saying white nationalism was rampant in the army.
 
2021-01-22 2:41:02 PM  

LarryDan43: Take away their benefits.


Fark that!

Take away their access to the US banking system.

Insurrectionists decided they don't need the government, well then they don't need to be permitted use of currency either.
 
2021-01-22 2:41:43 PM  
1. Recruit violent, uneducated people
2. Train them to kill
3. ???
4. Profit
 
2021-01-22 2:41:45 PM  

RasIanI: How is it that former military doesn't understand what the constitution says?


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2021-01-22 2:43:16 PM  

Liquid_Bacon: AirForceVet: Stuff like this represents why I don't care for civilians to thank me for my service automatically. Not everyone who served did so honorably. The military has its UCMJ for reasons. Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape. Many did not or did not come home at all. Save your thanks for them and their families.

I met some of the biggest dirtbags ever in the military.   People never believe me when I tell them this.


My dad was in the 'Nam, and he always tells me how scary some of the guys he served with were.  Straight-up psychos who joined up so they could kill people.
 
2021-01-22 2:43:53 PM  

jack_o_the_hills: Well.. when you have been pumping the military, the police etc full of jingoistic hero worship bullshiat since 9/11 , this is what you end up with.


"since 9/11"

....since 1984 - the LA Olympics. Modern American jingoistic patriotism began here.
 
2021-01-22 2:43:57 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Guess what subby snowflake. The military is full of dumbass people of all colors. Shockingly, some are even racists. Which is weird because the lower ranks are filled with lower-class (economically) whites and blacks who have more in common with each other than they do differences.


Unfortunately, the military promotion can system works to make sure that the socioeconomic differences are not too dissimilar to what is found in the civilian world, hence the tension that exists in the military over the lack of opportunity for minorities, and the wide gulf and disparities in promotions, assignments, etc.
 
2021-01-22 2:45:45 PM  

Uncle Eazy: The military is full of dumbass people of all colors.


A buddy of mine was an MP in the Air Force and he has some of the craziest stories...

The most memorable was having to bust the same Airman for stuffing some kind of vent in the wall with toothpaste and farking it, on 3 separate occasions.
 
2021-01-22 2:46:14 PM  
So was this guy trying to return the zip ties too? The cops were very sloppy dropping them all over the place. There should be an investigation into the cops for wasting govt funds.

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2021-01-22 2:46:48 PM  

AirForceVet: Stuff like this represents why I don't care for civilians to thank me for my service automatically. Not everyone who served did so honorably. The military has its UCMJ for reasons. Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape. Many did not or did not come home at all. Save your thanks for them and their families.


My veteran doesn't want to be thanked for his service, nor does his best friend from their unit. It's a false sentiment from a stranger. I never said it during transactions when in customer service. Instead, I would tell them I was applying the veteran discount, but no more. Not even on Veterans' Day.

So many of them have conflicting feelings - or mental or physical injuries. Why pick a scab?

I'm unsurprised that many of our more recent veterans are complete assholes wrt their politics. They were taught to seize an area and subjugate the residents. They were deployed repeatedly, often despite physical and emotional trauma. (A friend's husband was re-deployed despite total deafness in one ear and partial in the other, due to an IED.)

When they came home and became cops (as they so often do) they carried that mentality of us vs. the enemy back home.

Another friend is currently divorcing her husband due to physical abuse and constant terrorism due to his CTE. That is not his fault; it's the war's,  but she can't let him kill her, either, and that was and remains a very real possibility. He cannot find out where she lives.

Being a veteran doesn't make a person a saint. My FIL was subject to 'Vietnam rages' and became an alcoholic.
 
2021-01-22 2:49:51 PM  

ketkarsa: 1. Recruit violent, uneducated people
2. Train them to kill
3. ???
4. Profit


What about those folks who had to take the ASVAB multiple times to get in? And got in anyway. I wouldn't trust any of them to be able to reason well enough to tote a gun 'for our freedoms.'
 
2021-01-22 2:51:13 PM  
It's worth noting that

"One in five terrorists involved in the Capitol siege served in the military"

is not the same as

"Nearly 1 In 5 Defendants In Capitol Riot Cases Served In The Military"

There's a very decent chance that military types are over-represented among those law enforcement has pursued, due to being among the highest profile participants in the insurrection who did some of the most egregious shiat.

/ackchyually
 
2021-01-22 2:52:25 PM  

BigNumber12: It's worth noting that

"One in five terrorists involved in the Capitol siege served in the military"

is not the same as

"Nearly 1 In 5 Defendants In Capitol Riot Cases Served In The Military"

There's a very decent chance that military types are over-represented among those law enforcement has pursued, due to being among the highest profile participants in the insurrection who did some of the most egregious shiat.

/ackchyually


*cough* Oathkeepers *cough*
 
2021-01-22 2:52:50 PM  
Reactivate them all into active duty and then begin the dishonorable discharge process on every single one.

Traitors get hanged. They can be thankful we're beyond that
 
2021-01-22 2:53:23 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Uncle Eazy: The military is full of dumbass people of all colors.

A buddy of mine was an MP in the Air Force and he has some of the craziest stories...

The most memorable was having to bust the same Airman for stuffing some kind of vent in the wall with toothpaste and farking it, on 3 separate occasions.


Jesus christ whats wrong with just pullin' the pud these days
 
2021-01-22 2:54:03 PM  

bhcompy: AirForceVet: Stuff like this represents why I don't care for civilians to thank me for my service automatically. Not everyone who served did so honorably. The military has its UCMJ for reasons. Also, I came out of my USAF career in pretty good shape. Many did not or did not come home at all. Save your thanks for them and their families.

A friend's husband is one of these types.  He'd probably have gone to this thing if he didn't have covid at the same time and he was dishonorably discharged for selling meth while in the Marines.  He's proud of the time he spent in prison.  Advertises his business as "veteran owned".  He's a real tool.  I learned to never make assumptions about a person's honor for serving from him


Honestly, the people who tend to advertise it most were the biggest sh*tbags.

/at least based on my experience
 
2021-01-22 2:54:29 PM  

LarryDan43: Take away their benefits.


They illegally entered the Capitol? Dishonorable discharge, loss of benefits, on top of any civilian punishment.
 
2021-01-22 2:56:03 PM  
I would guess 0 out of 5 BLM and Antifa terrorist would be ex military.
 
2021-01-22 2:57:01 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Uncle Eazy: The military is full of dumbass people of all colors.

A buddy of mine was an MP in the Air Force and he has some of the craziest stories...

The most memorable was having to bust the same Airman for stuffing some kind of vent in the wall with toothpaste and farking it, on 3 separate occasions.


Was it Sensodyne?
 
2021-01-22 2:58:24 PM  

BigNumber12: It's worth noting that

"One in five terrorists involved in the Capitol siege served in the military"

is not the same as

"Nearly 1 In 5 Defendants In Capitol Riot Cases Served In The Military"

There's a very decent chance that military types are over-represented among those law enforcement has pursued, due to being among the highest profile participants in the insurrection who did some of the most egregious shiat.

/ackchyually


There is a bigger chance they are underrepresented.
 
2021-01-22 2:59:52 PM  
FTA: "I see no distinction between a group of Americans seizing power and governing with complete disregard to the Constitution and an invading force of Chinese communists accomplishing the same objective," [One of the terrorists] wrote. (There is no credible evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.) He ended his post with a reference to the oath taken by members of the military: "Against all enemies foreign and domestic."


As always, they're infuriatingly close to the point and stubbornly not getting it.
 
2021-01-22 3:00:58 PM  

BigNumber12: There's a very decent chance that military types are over-represented among those law enforcement has pursued, due to being among the highest profile participants in the insurrection who did some of the most egregious shiat.


Also, the easiest to find.
 
2021-01-22 3:06:13 PM  
And yet none of them was from Space Force. Study it out.
 
2021-01-22 3:09:33 PM  
Not to be glib or anything, but wasn't their plan of
- storm the capital
- occupy it
- capture or kill the political powers within
- declare a victory for freedom
basically what America has done as the opening move of every war since Vietnam?

I assume that would make it a strategy that many vets would try to emulate.
 
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