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(Bleacher Nation)   Dear MLB, please remove Curt Schilling from my Hall of Fame ballot. I didn't realize what an asshole he was. Thanks, numerous HOF voters   (bleachernation.com) divider line
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2021-01-22 5:58:20 AM  
HOF officials are concerned about the precedent this could set.

HOF officials should find their backbones and allow it.  If you can have lifetime bans for things like cheating and gambling, you can allow voters to retract their votes for a person who endorses sedition.
 
2021-01-22 6:57:43 AM  
If they didn't know that he was an asshole by now, they've clearly not been paying much attention. Even _I_ know he's an asshole, and I don't give a half-damn about baseball.
 
2021-01-22 7:31:15 AM  
As a rabid Red Sox fan, and RI taxpayer, I can't support this any more.

Deny that scumbag ANY vote to the Hall. He's not worthy. I'd rather they induct Pete Rose before Curt.
 
2021-01-22 7:36:21 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: HOF officials are concerned about the precedent this could set.

HOF officials should find their backbones and allow it.  If you can have lifetime bans for things like cheating and gambling, you can allow voters to retract their votes for a person who endorses sedition.


OJ is still in Canton.
 
2021-01-22 7:45:50 AM  
I don't think he'd have a problem with overturning his election
 
2021-01-22 7:47:19 AM  
Hmmmmm... he's a borderline hall of fame pitcher, iirc. Technically personal lives shouldn't influence decision to be in the hall or not but it's inescapable to not have some influence. Being an asshole is one thing, every hall is full of them but being a traitor in top of being a financial scam artist and an asshole is another. Leave his worthless ass on this year but don't put him on the ballot ever again.
 
2021-01-22 8:02:24 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Hmmmmm... he's a borderline hall of fame pitcher, iirc. Technically personal lives shouldn't influence decision to be in the hall or not but it's inescapable to not have some influence. Being an asshole is one thing, every hall is full of them but being a traitor in top of being a financial scam artist and an asshole is another. Leave his worthless ass on this year but don't put him on the ballot ever again.


Perfectly put.
 
2021-01-22 8:12:34 AM  
He's a two bit ripoff artist.
 
2021-01-22 8:24:54 AM  
Didn't read TFA and don't care enough to bother, but how about this thought for the HOF voters:  If it bothers you THAT much that he is on your ballot, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM.  Pass over his name.  Scratch it out if it offends you.  Use a black sharpie or even better white out and cover over his name.
 
2021-01-22 8:30:37 AM  
Is he an azzhole?  Yep.

Should MLB HOF voters just be finding this out now?   Nope.

But as much of an azzhole he is personally, this is about what he did as a player.

Just remember, Ty Cobb is still in the HOF. Not only that, he got 222 out of 226 votes on the very first HOF ballot, and EVERYONE knew what a total azzhole he was too.
 
2021-01-22 8:34:56 AM  
Fark him and fark the HoF if they don't sack up.
 
2021-01-22 8:40:12 AM  
if you're just coming to this conclusion, you haven't been paying attention
 
2021-01-22 8:46:20 AM  

NewportBarGuy: As a rabid Red Sox fan, and RI taxpayer, I can't support this any more.

Deny that scumbag ANY vote to the Hall. He's not worthy. I'd rather they induct Pete Rose before Curt.


As a NH taxpayer and rabid Red Sox fan, I think Curt is a piece of shiat, and don't care if they remove him from the HOF.

The RI angle kind of makes me chuckle.  It was the RI politicians who threw money at sportsball guy with no business experience in a stupidly risky investment.  The guy had zero experience in the industry, and ran that business into the ground through simple incompetence and not a bit of malice.  Curt didn't fark over the people of RI, your own corrupt politicians farked you over.
 
2021-01-22 8:49:55 AM  
Outside of throwing a baseball, this guy has been passionate angry loud opinionated guy.  It worked in one area and has f'ed him up everywhere else.  I'm ok with him in the HOF as a pitcher.  That place and its process is nonsense already. I'm not sure I want to hear his speech.
 
2021-01-22 8:55:26 AM  

swankywanky: Is he an azzhole?  Yep.

Should MLB HOF voters just be finding this out now?   Nope.

But as much of an azzhole he is personally, this is about what he did as a player.

Just remember, Ty Cobb is still in the HOF. Not only that, he got 222 out of 226 votes on the very first HOF ballot, and EVERYONE knew what a total azzhole he was too.


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2021-01-22 9:05:07 AM  

Anderson's Pooper: The Crepes of Wrath: HOF officials are concerned about the precedent this could set.

HOF officials should find their backbones and allow it.  If you can have lifetime bans for things like cheating and gambling, you can allow voters to retract their votes for a person who endorses sedition.

OJ is still in Canton.


True, but he was inducted long before he was accused (but not convicted) of murder.
 
2021-01-22 9:16:17 AM  

Warmachine999: Didn't read TFA and don't care enough to bother, but how about this thought for the HOF voters:  If it bothers you THAT much that he is on your ballot, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM.  Pass over his name.  Scratch it out if it offends you.  Use a black sharpie or even better white out and cover over his name.


Yeah... there's something a little incongruous with hating him for contesting an election and punishing him by removing him from another election.  If you don't like him, don't vote for him.  Simple as that.

BTW, I suspect 95% of the HOF members hold or held views that are reprehensible to people.
 
2021-01-22 9:18:10 AM  

Warmachine999: Didn't read TFA and don't care enough to bother, but how about this thought for the HOF voters:  If it bothers you THAT much that he is on your ballot, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM.  Pass over his name.  Scratch it out if it offends you.  Use a black sharpie or even better white out and cover over his name.


If you had read TFA, you would know that it sounds like people who already voted for him are trying to take "backsies" on their votes.

At least I think that's what it was trying to say; it wasn't fully clear.

Thus is my ringing endorsement for reading TFA.
 
2021-01-22 9:26:42 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: HOF officials are concerned about the precedent this could set.

HOF officials should find their backbones and allow it.  If you can have lifetime bans for things like cheating and gambling, you can allow voters to retract their votes for a person who endorses sedition.


Heck, they've kept Barry Bonds out for waaaay less.
 
2021-01-22 9:34:47 AM  
I'm just gonna point out that the actual hall of fame, the part with all the plaques, is the lamest part of the Hall of Fame. The only value Hall of Fame voting has is that when people are elected, it drives tourism to the Hall of Fame.

But once you're actually in the museum itself...if you have a limited amount of time to visit, that's the part you should skip.
 
2021-01-22 9:40:28 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Hmmmmm... he's a borderline hall of fame pitcher, iirc. Technically personal lives shouldn't influence decision to be in the hall or not but it's inescapable to not have some influence. Being an asshole is one thing, every hall is full of them but being a traitor in top of being a financial scam artist and an asshole is another. Leave his worthless ass on this year but don't put him on the ballot ever again.


Suddenly, the BHOF is finding itself as some moral gatekeeper?

"Plaster saints is not what we have in the Hall of Fame," said John Thorn, perhaps the nation's most widely known baseball historian and the author of more than a dozen baseball books. "Many were far from moral exemplars."
 
2021-01-22 9:53:31 AM  

Magnus: Peter von Nostrand: Hmmmmm... he's a borderline hall of fame pitcher, iirc. Technically personal lives shouldn't influence decision to be in the hall or not but it's inescapable to not have some influence. Being an asshole is one thing, every hall is full of them but being a traitor in top of being a financial scam artist and an asshole is another. Leave his worthless ass on this year but don't put him on the ballot ever again.

Suddenly, the BHOF is finding itself as some moral gatekeeper?

"Plaster saints is not what we have in the Hall of Fame," said John Thorn, perhaps the nation's most widely known baseball historian and the author of more than a dozen baseball books. "Many were far from moral exemplars."


Yes, that's exactly what I said, the hall of fame is a moral gatekeeper.

Also, reading and comprehending is hard for some people.
 
2021-01-22 9:53:33 AM  
I've always believed your ability on the field should be the only criteria for hall of fame entry.  Period.    OJ is a piece of shiat, but yes he deserves to be in the hall of fame.


/my .02
 
2021-01-22 9:57:58 AM  

swankywanky: Is he an azzhole?  Yep.

Should MLB HOF voters just be finding this out now?   Nope.

But as much of an azzhole he is personally, this is about what he did as a player.

Just remember, Ty Cobb is still in the HOF. Not only that, he got 222 out of 226 votes on the very first HOF ballot, and EVERYONE knew what a total azzhole he was too.


Ty Cobb being an asshole is a bit overblown.  At least according to a biographer who expected to find out what an asshole he was (Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty by Charles Leerhsen).  Heck, he even came from an abolitionist family.  In rural Georgia.  That's not nothing.
 
2021-01-22 10:03:06 AM  

swankywanky: Is he an azzhole?  Yep.

Should MLB HOF voters just be finding this out now?   Nope.

But as much of an azzhole he is personally, this is about what he did as a player.

Just remember, Ty Cobb is still in the HOF. Not only that, he got 222 out of 226 votes on the very first HOF ballot, and EVERYONE knew what a total azzhole he was too.


The HOF voting criteria are "the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

The existence of a bad precedent doesn't mean we have to follow it every time. (Also: the country is now teeming with Cobb revisionists who insist his character is unjustly maligned. So let's go with Cap Anson as our example of a truly loathsome HOFer.)
 
2021-01-22 10:26:48 AM  
in more depressing hall of fame news, it's being reported that Hank Aaron has passed away
 
2021-01-22 10:27:17 AM  

ElwoodCuse: in more depressing hall of fame news, it's being reported that Hank Aaron has passed away


:(
 
2021-01-22 10:30:33 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Magnus: Peter von Nostrand: Hmmmmm... he's a borderline hall of fame pitcher, iirc. Technically personal lives shouldn't influence decision to be in the hall or not but it's inescapable to not have some influence. Being an asshole is one thing, every hall is full of them but being a traitor in top of being a financial scam artist and an asshole is another. Leave his worthless ass on this year but don't put him on the ballot ever again.

Suddenly, the BHOF is finding itself as some moral gatekeeper?

"Plaster saints is not what we have in the Hall of Fame," said John Thorn, perhaps the nation's most widely known baseball historian and the author of more than a dozen baseball books. "Many were far from moral exemplars."

Yes, that's exactly what I said, the hall of fame is a moral gatekeeper.

Also, reading and comprehending is hard for some people.


Well, you went full asshole real quick. I'm not voting you into any HOF.
 
2021-01-22 10:37:59 AM  

ElwoodCuse: in more depressing hall of fame news, it's being reported that Hank Aaron has passed away


Just saw that. Dammitsomuch. 2020 was a terrible year for sports deaths and 2021 is picking up right where it left off.
 
2021-01-22 10:38:26 AM  

ElwoodCuse: in more depressing hall of fame news, it's being reported that Hank Aaron has passed away


You have a link?  Nothing in the ATL is reporting it.
 
2021-01-22 10:40:32 AM  

Super Chronic: ElwoodCuse: in more depressing hall of fame news, it's being reported that Hank Aaron has passed away

Just saw that. Dammitsomuch. 2020 was a terrible year for sports deaths and 2021 is picking up right where it left off.


Ah jeez.  Sutton and now maybe The Hammer?
 
2021-01-22 10:45:51 AM  

Magnus: ElwoodCuse: in more depressing hall of fame news, it's being reported that Hank Aaron has passed away

You have a link?  Nothing in the ATL is reporting it.


It'shiatting the local news now.  Damn.
 
2021-01-22 10:57:56 AM  

Magnus: Peter von Nostrand: Magnus: Peter von Nostrand: Hmmmmm... he's a borderline hall of fame pitcher, iirc. Technically personal lives shouldn't influence decision to be in the hall or not but it's inescapable to not have some influence. Being an asshole is one thing, every hall is full of them but being a traitor in top of being a financial scam artist and an asshole is another. Leave his worthless ass on this year but don't put him on the ballot ever again.

Suddenly, the BHOF is finding itself as some moral gatekeeper?

"Plaster saints is not what we have in the Hall of Fame," said John Thorn, perhaps the nation's most widely known baseball historian and the author of more than a dozen baseball books. "Many were far from moral exemplars."

Yes, that's exactly what I said, the hall of fame is a moral gatekeeper.

Also, reading and comprehending is hard for some people.

Well, you went full asshole real quick. I'm not voting you into any HOF.


Asshole hall of fame? Hall of fame for reactionary twatwaffles? Hall of fame for chode monkeys? Gotta be one i qualify for...
 
2021-01-22 11:00:42 AM  
Yeah, he's an asshole. But is he HOF worthy? If he fit the criteria than fine. Are there rules concerning gambling, steroids, moral turpitude, racism? Then decide accordingly.

I hate seeing goalposts moved at will.
 
2021-01-22 11:10:54 AM  
But is he HOF worthy?

If you're a small-hall voter, he's really not. He's basically a Hall of Very Good player with a narrative case to put him in (2001 WS and the sock game)

But hey, Jack Morris got in so who the fark knows what counts any more
 
2021-01-22 11:14:02 AM  

swankywanky: Is he an azzhole?  Yep.

Should MLB HOF voters just be finding this out now?   Nope.

But as much of an azzhole he is personally, this is about what he did as a player.

Just remember, Ty Cobb is still in the HOF. Not only that, he got 222 out of 226 votes on the very first HOF ballot, and EVERYONE knew what a total azzhole he was too.


Everything I've ever read shows that he was slandered and he wasn't an asshole.  I mean, I do recall that a heckler pissed him off so much he jumped in the stands to beat him up... but aside from that, he was a perfectly normal human being.

/But I do agree.  Curt Shilling is an absolute asswipe of a person, but that shouldn't disqualify you from the HOF
//Or disqualify you from getting an Emmy/Grammy/Oscar.
 
2021-01-22 11:22:03 AM  

swankywanky: Just remember, Ty Cobb is still in the HOF. Not only that, he got 222 out of 226 votes on the very first HOF ballot, and EVERYONE knew what a total azzhole he was too.


To be fair, he did help Newbomb Turk write that book about him.
 
2021-01-22 11:36:33 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: Anderson's Pooper: The Crepes of Wrath: HOF officials are concerned about the precedent this could set.

HOF officials should find their backbones and allow it.  If you can have lifetime bans for things like cheating and gambling, you can allow voters to retract their votes for a person who endorses sedition.

OJ is still in Canton.

True, but he was inducted long before he was accused (but not convicted) of murder.


...of murders we know of
 
2021-01-22 11:41:38 AM  
Mods need to insta-green an Aaron thread
 
2021-01-22 11:51:57 AM  
I has big sad about Aaron, he was a standup guy and still hold the home run record, Bonds can go suck a steroid pop.


As for Schilling, I don't think his stats standup to HOF standards actually.  Might be the best on the current ballot but he was pretty average overall.  And yes he has always been an  asshole.
 
2021-01-22 11:58:16 AM  

MagicChicken: If they didn't know that he was an asshole by now, they've clearly not been paying much attention. Even _I_ know he's an asshole, and I don't give a half-damn about baseball.


There's being an asshole and there's "endorsing a terrorist attack on the Capitol in order to overthrow democracy and instill a dictator" asshole.
 
2021-01-22 12:03:58 PM  

xtalman: I has big sad about Aaron, he was a standup guy and still hold the home run record, Bonds can go suck a steroid pop.


As for Schilling, I don't think his stats standup to HOF standards actually.  Might be the best on the current ballot but he was pretty average overall.  And yes he has always been an  asshole.


That word "average" doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
2021-01-22 12:09:01 PM  

meanmutton: xtalman: I has big sad about Aaron, he was a standup guy and still hold the home run record, Bonds can go suck a steroid pop.


As for Schilling, I don't think his stats standup to HOF standards actually.  Might be the best on the current ballot but he was pretty average overall.  And yes he has always been an  asshole.

That word "average" doesn't mean what you think it means.


It means except for one World Series game he was an ok major league pitcher
 
2021-01-22 12:11:20 PM  

DrunkenIrishOD: meanmutton: xtalman: I has big sad about Aaron, he was a standup guy and still hold the home run record, Bonds can go suck a steroid pop.


As for Schilling, I don't think his stats standup to HOF standards actually.  Might be the best on the current ballot but he was pretty average overall.  And yes he has always been an  asshole.

That word "average" doesn't mean what you think it means.

It means except for one World Series game he was an ok major league pitcher


That word "ok" doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
2021-01-22 12:41:45 PM  
Maybe they just need an asshole wing at the HOF.
 
2021-01-22 1:01:03 PM  

WhackingDay: Maybe they just need an asshole wing at the HOF.


the inductees' faces aren't what's put on those plaques
 
2021-01-22 1:05:37 PM  

DrunkenIrishOD: It means except for one World Series game he was an ok major league pitcher


I think this means you haven't watched much baseball.  Schilling's always been an asshole and has just gone off the deep end in recent years.  But to label him simply "ok" as a player is farking absurd.

Warmachine999: Didn't read TFA and don't care enough to bother, but how about this thought for the HOF voters:  If it bothers you THAT much that he is on your ballot, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM.  Pass over his name.  Scratch it out if it offends you.  Use a black sharpie or even better white out and cover over his name.


You probably should have read the article then.
 
2021-01-22 1:15:51 PM  

meanmutton: DrunkenIrishOD: meanmutton: xtalman: I has big sad about Aaron, he was a standup guy and still hold the home run record, Bonds can go suck a steroid pop.


As for Schilling, I don't think his stats standup to HOF standards actually.  Might be the best on the current ballot but he was pretty average overall.  And yes he has always been an  asshole.

That word "average" doesn't mean what you think it means.

It means except for one World Series game he was an ok major league pitcher

That word "ok" doesn't mean what you think it means.


This. Based solely on on-field performance, he'd more or less be a lock. He probably suffered from comparisons to his contemporaries who were not just HOFers but on the short list of the very greatest pitchers of all time -- Maddux, Clemens, Johnson, Pedro. Similar to Mike Mussina, who also took too long to get in. Schilling was also a bit of a late bloomer and had a couple more off years than those guys, but 80 fWAR (top 20 of all time) don't lie.

He still shouldn't get in, though.
 
2021-01-22 1:18:23 PM  

Warmachine999: Didn't read TFA and don't care enough to bother, but how about this thought for the HOF voters:  If it bothers you THAT much that he is on your ballot, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM.  Pass over his name.  Scratch it out if it offends you.  Use a black sharpie or even better white out and cover over his name.


It seems you're eager to find "cancel culture" and requests for trigger warnings behind every tree, but this article is about nothing more than voters who DON'T WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM.
 
2021-01-22 8:06:49 PM  

FLMountainMan: Warmachine999: Didn't read TFA and don't care enough to bother, but how about this thought for the HOF voters:  If it bothers you THAT much that he is on your ballot, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM.  Pass over his name.  Scratch it out if it offends you.  Use a black sharpie or even better white out and cover over his name.

Yeah... there's something a little incongruous with hating him for contesting an election and punishing him by removing him from another election.  If you don't like him, don't vote for him.  Simple as that.

BTW, I suspect 95% of the HOF members hold or held views that are reprehensible to people.


They aren't asking for him to be removed from the ballot. Some voters who had already turned in their ballots before January 6th are asking if they can change their votes for Schilling. It's an entirely different issue.
 
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