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(The Verge)   Ajit "Bill Gates" Pai decrees that 3 megabits is more than enough for anyone on his way out the door   (theverge.com) divider line
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2021-01-22 7:09:21 AM  
3 Mbits up would be great, we only get 0.5 up
 
2021-01-22 7:16:15 AM  
Somebody likes their porn choppy and grainy
 
2021-01-22 7:22:31 AM  
The fact that consumer internet speeds by default are faster down than up shows the intent of the internet is consumption, not production. Now consume, people.

/obey
 
2021-01-22 7:30:22 AM  
(I have to defend Bill Gates again)
When he made the "640K ought to be enough for anyone" remark, it was true.

Computers back then shipped with 128 or 256K. No program you could buy back then required more than 256K. Multitasking, digital photos, digital music, none of that existed.

It certainly wasn't forward looking. But AT THE TIME it was true. Within a year or two later, "desktop publishing" came into its own, and THEN we started needing megabytes of RAM.
 
2021-01-22 7:40:53 AM  
I think that the pandemic has proven beyond all measure that internet access is a utility without which society cannot function even more so that the phone.  Congress needs to act on this.
 
2021-01-22 7:52:13 AM  
Put him in a cod lobby I'll learn him
 
2021-01-22 7:53:17 AM  
He is a special kind of petty. Especially knowing it can get reversed nearly immediately.
 
2021-01-22 7:54:58 AM  

sleze: I think that the pandemic has proven beyond all measure that internet access is a utility without which society cannot function even more so that the phone.  Congress needs to act on this.


I'd say the internet and smartphones are of equal importance, because so many people get the internet only on a phone.
This article is over a year old, so it might be that the number of adults who are phone only is higher now, because of widespread financial hardships.

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/​2​019/06/13/mobile-technology-and-home-b​roadband-2019/
 
2021-01-22 7:55:39 AM  
Take your Reece's cup and fark off you piece of shiat.
 
2021-01-22 8:04:49 AM  
I'm sorry but fark THAT GUY
 
2021-01-22 8:20:14 AM  

Black_Lazerus: Put him in a cod lobby I'll learn him


When you're done with him ill zerg rush his ass in SC
 
2021-01-22 8:24:46 AM  
I get the reference, but don't insult Bill Gates like that.
 
2021-01-22 8:27:12 AM  
Fine, stick him with rate limited access of 25/3 for his phone and for home and work.
 
2021-01-22 8:40:22 AM  

Chromium_One: Fine, stick him with rate limited access of UP TO25/3 for his phone and for home and work.


Fixed it for you.  Since that was exactly what I was paying for at my house for close to 10 years as it was "all your area can be provisioned for" and I was getting 3/56K speeds during non peak times and 256K/33.6K peak time speeds, I would absolutely LOVE to see his reaction to trying to do anything from his home/office at those speeds.
 
2021-01-22 9:16:15 AM  

sid244: I'm sorry but fark THAT GUY


Why would you be sorry? Fark that puppet.
 
2021-01-22 9:43:48 AM  
As much as I hate his stupid ass, he's not wrong.

People get their knickers in a knot about this, but they seem to fail to notice that this isn't DOWNLOAD, it's UPLOAD speed.

3Mbps of UPLOAD is enough for the average Joe consumer. The only reason you'd need more than that is if you're hosting something publicly available. Since, by law, you shouldn't be hosting a Torrent of your movie collection, then yeah, this is completely true. The average user's use of their upload bandwidth is very limited since it consists primarily of ack packets, and those are very small.

Video chat and streamers may use a bit more, but on most services 1080p will run at about 1.5 Mbps. So you still have that much left in your pipe while you're doing either. Some users may need a bit more in specific circumstances, but they aren't average users. So his statement stands.

The download speeds are a completely different story.
 
2021-01-22 9:55:52 AM  
The speeds he proposes ares still 4 times faster than what I get.
 
2021-01-22 10:00:58 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Somebody likes their porn choppy and grainy


Somebody doesn't know the difference between up and downstream.
 
2021-01-22 10:04:07 AM  

sid244: I'm sorry but fark THAT GUY


AJIT PAI
FARK THAT GUY


That's a campaign chant.
 
2021-01-22 10:05:33 AM  
Based on his previous decisons, that's 3 mega bits total, not per second.
 
2021-01-22 10:20:34 AM  

Zykstar: As much as I hate his stupid ass, he's not wrong.

People get their knickers in a knot about this, but they seem to fail to notice that this isn't DOWNLOAD, it's UPLOAD speed.

3Mbps of UPLOAD is enough for the average Joe consumer. The only reason you'd need more than that is if you're hosting something publicly available. Since, by law, you shouldn't be hosting a Torrent of your movie collection, then yeah, this is completely true. The average user's use of their upload bandwidth is very limited since it consists primarily of ack packets, and those are very small.

Video chat and streamers may use a bit more, but on most services 1080p will run at about 1.5 Mbps. So you still have that much left in your pipe while you're doing either. Some users may need a bit more in specific circumstances, but they aren't average users. So his statement stands.

The download speeds are a completely different story.


You must live alone.
 
2021-01-22 10:44:07 AM  

TTFK: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Somebody likes their porn choppy and grainy

Somebody doesn't know the difference between up and downstream.


I saw 25Mbps in the article. That's what brings the porn to my computer. I'm not uploading any porn to the interwebz. No one wants to see that.
Is 25Mbps enough for 1080p video streaming?
 
2021-01-22 10:56:40 AM  
I had a link to a similiar story, but I prefer my headline "And here's the woman who will clean up Ajit Pai's stinking turds, and hopefully castrate the weasel"
 
2021-01-22 11:11:13 AM  
I almost feel bad for complaining that it took just about 9 hours to upload 186GB of videos to YouTube at 25Mbps the other day.

Almost.
 
2021-01-22 11:25:18 AM  

Zykstar: As much as I hate his stupid ass, he's not wrong.

People get their knickers in a knot about this, but they seem to fail to notice that this isn't DOWNLOAD, it's UPLOAD speed.

3Mbps of UPLOAD is enough for the average Joe consumer. The only reason you'd need more than that is if you're hosting something publicly available. Since, by law, you shouldn't be hosting a Torrent of your movie collection, then yeah, this is completely true. The average user's use of their upload bandwidth is very limited since it consists primarily of ack packets, and those are very small.

Video chat and streamers may use a bit more, but on most services 1080p will run at about 1.5 Mbps. So you still have that much left in your pipe while you're doing either. Some users may need a bit more in specific circumstances, but they aren't average users. So his statement stands.

The download speeds are a completely different story.


Local man has never tried to play Pavlov with only 3mbps upload.
 
2021-01-22 11:25:28 AM  

tuxq: The fact that consumer internet speeds by default are faster down than up shows the intent of the internet is consumption, not production. Now consume, people.

/obey


Not the intent of the internet - the intent of the ISPs.  Our practices and usages over the years have been molded by the disparity between down/up.  They needed an arbitrary rate limiter for monetization.

/I can't wait until it's 1:1
//1000/40
///BLEH
 
2021-01-22 11:29:55 AM  
185 Mbps up and down. Once you have fibre you never go back.
 
2021-01-22 11:51:50 AM  
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"Give me 56kb for my modem, you'd say"
 
2021-01-22 11:52:13 AM  

sid244: I'm sorry but fark THAT GUY


Ajit Pai and Betsy DeVos are the best examples out there for demonstrating that not everything terrible in the world is the fault of a white male.

/They're just appointed by white males.
 
2021-01-22 12:07:32 PM  

Russ1642: 185 Mbps up and down. Once you have fibre you never go back.


That seems slow for fiber.  Or is that a business line?  I typically see business lines at varying speeds but all of the residential fiber around me is gigabit.
 
2021-01-22 12:29:59 PM  

zeroflight222: Russ1642: 185 Mbps up and down. Once you have fibre you never go back.

That seems slow for fiber.  Or is that a business line?  I typically see business lines at varying speeds but all of the residential fiber around me is gigabit.


He's probably talking MBps as opposed to Mbps. And yea, once you get a taste for what the internet can truly do it's hard to go back. Actual gigabit fiber is awesome!

Also 3Mbps is just high enough for what AT&T is willing to let through. Those are your peak speeds. Telecoms provisioned most of their lines for downloads, and they oversold them at that. There's nothing else they can force through without upgrading, which is the reason for the pathetically low upload portion. Upgrading costs money, and taking federal funds without oversight makes money, so you might be able to figure out their cunning business plan.
 
2021-01-22 12:31:26 PM  
Why is he still talking?
 
2021-01-22 12:33:45 PM  

zeroflight222: Russ1642: 185 Mbps up and down. Once you have fibre you never go back.

That seems slow for fiber.  Or is that a business line?  I typically see business lines at varying speeds but all of the residential fiber around me is gigabit.


Yes I can turn it up to eleventy (at least 1500 Mbps the last time I checked) but I'd have to pay more.
 
2021-01-22 12:36:22 PM  

Stibium: zeroflight222: Russ1642: 185 Mbps up and down. Once you have fibre you never go back.

That seems slow for fiber.  Or is that a business line?  I typically see business lines at varying speeds but all of the residential fiber around me is gigabit.

He's probably talking MBps as opposed to Mbps. And yea, once you get a taste for what the internet can truly do it's hard to go back. Actual gigabit fiber is awesome!

Also 3Mbps is just high enough for what AT&T is willing to let through. Those are your peak speeds. Telecoms provisioned most of their lines for downloads, and they oversold them at that. There's nothing else they can force through without upgrading, which is the reason for the pathetically low upload portion. Upgrading costs money, and taking federal funds without oversight makes money, so you might be able to figure out their cunning business plan.


No, no, no. Don't go changing what I wrote without asking me first. Asshole.
 
2021-01-22 12:54:22 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: tuxq: The fact that consumer internet speeds by default are faster down than up shows the intent of the internet is consumption, not production. Now consume, people.

/obey

Not the intent of the internet - the intent of the ISPs.  Our practices and usages over the years have been molded by the disparity between down/up.  They needed an arbitrary rate limiter for monetization.

/I can't wait until it's 1:1
//1000/40
///BLEH


I'm at 100/10, but your differential seems a little worse now. I could be at 200/25 for the price I pay (old TimeWarner customer), but then I'd have to talk to someone at Spectrum and I'm not willing to do it.
 
2021-01-22 2:03:13 PM  
I had 3 Mbps service until last summer (and ~20 years ago I was beta testing 384kbps service :-) and it was plenty for just me.

My wife had started using YouTube more, and had a laptop with a better screen so she wanted to have 1080p be more reliable, so moving up to 6 Mbps would have been better, but the telco informed us that they're retiring Central Office DSL and replacing it with U-Verse, so why not (My condo gets cable TV already, so the TV part never motivated us.)  Turns out that I'm about 1000 feet too far from the fiber node box to reliably get U-Verse, even when they turned it down to 5 Mbps, so I gave up and got cable modem.
 
2021-01-22 2:09:00 PM  

Morning Horsefarts: Zykstar: As much as I hate his stupid ass, he's not wrong.

People get their knickers in a knot about this, but they seem to fail to notice that this isn't DOWNLOAD, it's UPLOAD speed.

3Mbps of UPLOAD is enough for the average Joe consumer. The only reason you'd need more than that is if you're hosting something publicly available. Since, by law, you shouldn't be hosting a Torrent of your movie collection, then yeah, this is completely true. The average user's use of their upload bandwidth is very limited since it consists primarily of ack packets, and those are very small.

Video chat and streamers may use a bit more, but on most services 1080p will run at about 1.5 Mbps. So you still have that much left in your pipe while you're doing either. Some users may need a bit more in specific circumstances, but they aren't average users. So his statement stands.

The download speeds are a completely different story.

Local man has never tried to play Pavlov with only 3mbps upload.


Local man does not have 2 kids on FaceTime while the third is in a Google Classroom meet, and the parents are each on Slack/Teams calls for work.  That's not even including the cloud syncing crap our various devices are seemingly always pushing throughout the day.

We regularly hit the ~5Mbps upload rate, and I've seen it far higher before.
 
2021-01-22 2:35:48 PM  
Local man doesn't have two people working from home with Citrix, Zoom, Windows file shares, Microsoft Teams... at the beginning of 2020 we had 30 Mbps down and 8 up. It was unusable, mostly because of the upload speed. We currently have 30 down and 45 up and it works fine.
 
2021-01-22 2:47:28 PM  

Russ1642: 185 Mbps up and down. Once you have fibre you never go back.


Some neighbors are getting skylink service at 125 down 40 up.

$135/ month once you buy the kit for ~$650.

That will likely be my only fast option for the next quarter century.

Or I can pay $70 for 7 down 2 up at $300 installation cost, with service degradation as more people use it. yeah!

Currently getting 5 down 1.5 up for $65 max 100 GB or I pay through the nose. No install fee.

Rural internet sucks.
 
2021-01-22 2:49:25 PM  

NearCanuck: Russ1642: 185 Mbps up and down. Once you have fibre you never go back.

Some neighbors are getting skylink service at 125 down 40 up.

$135/ month once you buy the kit for ~$650.

That will likely be my only fast option for the next quarter century.

Or I can pay $70 for 7 down 2 up at $300 installation cost, with service degradation as more people use it. yeah!

Currently getting 5 down 1.5 up for $65 max 100 GB or I pay through the nose. No install fee.

Rural internet sucks.


Or maybe it's starlink.

The Elon Musk clog the skies thing.  LOL
 
2021-01-22 3:03:33 PM  

Zykstar: Video chat and streamers may use a bit more, but on most services 1080p will run at about 1.5 Mbps. So you still have that much left in your pipe while you're doing either. Some users may need a bit more in specific circumstances, but they aren't average users. So his statement stands.


Imagine I live in a third world country where residential internet is considered "good" at 25/3. Now my residence holds 3 people. Two are working from home, one is following school from home. All three use cases include video calling. How much upload do I need now?

Outside of school hours, 1 person is gaming, 2 people are watching netflix. What influence would that have on the 25/3 speeds? Someone is getting buffering issues.
 
2021-01-22 3:08:15 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: (I have to defend Bill Gates again)
When he made the "640K ought to be enough for anyone" remark, it was true.

Computers back then shipped with 128 or 256K. No program you could buy back then required more than 256K. Multitasking, digital photos, digital music, none of that existed.

It certainly wasn't forward looking. But AT THE TIME it was true. Within a year or two later, "desktop publishing" came into its own, and THEN we started needing megabytes of RAM.


Just want to point out that Gates claims he never said that ("I've said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in computers would ever say that a certain amount of memory is enough for all time.") and there is no record of him actually saying it. But, the apocryphal story is that he he apparently made the comment in 1981. DOS didn't support using the UMA (between 640 KB and 1 MB) until Dr. DOS in 1990 and MS-DOS 5.0 in 1991. So even if he did say it (which he likely didn't), it absolutely was true for a decade.
 
2021-01-22 3:26:59 PM  
Pai sucks, but getting a lot of rural places up to that would be a step in the right direction.

Yes we know your subdivision has great fiber internet for $150 a month, how about something decent for $30 for someone on food stamps?
 
2021-01-22 6:53:20 PM  

Zykstar: As much as I hate his stupid ass, he's not wrong.

People get their knickers in a knot about this, but they seem to fail to notice that this isn't DOWNLOAD, it's UPLOAD speed.

3Mbps of UPLOAD is enough for the average Joe consumer. The only reason you'd need more than that is if you're hosting something publicly available. Since, by law, you shouldn't be hosting a Torrent of your movie collection, then yeah, this is completely true. The average user's use of their upload bandwidth is very limited since it consists primarily of ack packets, and those are very small.

Video chat and streamers may use a bit more, but on most services 1080p will run at about 1.5 Mbps. So you still have that much left in your pipe while you're doing either. Some users may need a bit more in specific circumstances, but they aren't average users. So his statement stands.

The download speeds are a completely different story.


Unless you need to...you know...work from home.

Uploading documents, videos, video calls, sharing screens, having IT remotely access your computer etc etc.

Then there's the high probability of a second person in the house doing the same.
 
2021-01-23 2:27:35 AM  
It's almost like zykstar is a troll or ... Pai?!
 
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