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2021-01-21 10:08:02 PM  
I was honestly confused watching him "act". I kept hoping it would get better.

They did Trashcan Man dirty.
 
2021-01-22 12:52:48 AM  
That's not a Trashcan Man. THIS is a Trashcan Man.
//cibola

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2021-01-22 1:18:37 AM  
I can't get over how how disappointed I am with this adaptation. I like most of the acting, I like individual scenes, but the choices they made are baffling. At least they're done with flashbacks now I think. But what a wasted opportunity, all because some dimwits thought Lost was the way to tell this story and who would be interested in the best part of the book anyway?

I knew it was a miss when I realized they weren't even going to bother with the Lincoln Tunnel scene, probably one of the best parts of any Stephen King novel ever.
 
2021-01-22 7:04:26 AM  
Haven't watched it. But judging from its reception, I'm convinced no one involved has read the novel.

I'm starting to think there is a tiny minority of us who regularly sit down in a quiet room and read books. People are still buying them, I know. But I think they then spend the afternoon on Snapchat or Facebook.
 
2021-01-22 7:55:47 AM  
Best episode so far. Flagg finally felt evil. Plot moved forward and the big boom was fun and raised the stakes.

Haven't read the book.
 
2021-01-22 7:59:13 AM  

August11: Haven't watched it. But judging from its reception, I'm convinced no one involved has read the novel.

I'm starting to think there is a tiny minority of us who regularly sit down in a quiet room and read books. People are still buying them, I know. But I think they then spend the afternoon on Snapchat or Facebook.


I'd rather read a book and use my own imagination than be served up someone else's barely warm approximations.
 
2021-01-22 7:59:34 AM  
Watched the first episode and 3/4 of the second episode, couldn't keep going.  Reading this makes me feel that I made the right decision.  Flashing forward to Boulder was just a terrible, tension-stealing decision.
 
2021-01-22 8:00:23 AM  
I was hoping that being on a streaming service would give them the opportunity to do the book justice, but they rushed the first part of the book and decided that the characters would never evolve (like making Harold a psycho from his first scene).
 
2021-01-22 8:20:59 AM  
FTA

The Stand reveals the true dangers of reckless self-mythologizing especially as it pertains to a toxic male ego.

Using promiscuity, strippers, bondage and leather, and sexual otherness as shorthand for immorality strips The Stand of any reputable discourse about good and evil.


Combine that with

a bizarre and unnerving but also sort of goofy montage full of flames and farked visuals.

Look, I know you have deadlines to meet but having your high-school journalism major daughter write an article for you isn't the answer.
 
2021-01-22 8:23:59 AM  
Who decided Ezra Miller should be an actor and when do we all stop being complicit?
 
2021-01-22 8:31:24 AM  

foo monkey: Who decided Ezra Miller should be an actor and when do we all stop being complicit?


You're attacking a protected species here, son.
He's LBGQ+ and therefore at the very least Fabulous.
 
2021-01-22 8:37:25 AM  

Tannhauser: Haven't read the book.


Clearly.
 
2021-01-22 8:39:31 AM  

blackminded: Tannhauser: Haven't read the book.

Clearly.


I'd like to see the feedback of someone that reads the book for the first time after watching this.
 
2021-01-22 8:46:38 AM  
One thing I really hated in this episode: Nick and the bomb.

In the original miniseries (and I think the book as well, although it's been a while), he gets a vision of the bomb and tries to find it and save everyone else.  In the new episode, he just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and does nothing to even spur other people to get out of the house.

This miniseries has been incredibly disappointing.  The production quality is decent enough, the cast should be good on paper, but the overall structure and storytelling makes it tough to give a crap about any of the characters.  They're all just so underdeveloped.  I didn't even realize that woman was the Judge until Flagg mentioned it.
 
2021-01-22 8:47:49 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: blackminded: Tannhauser: Haven't read the book.

Clearly.

I'd like to see the feedback of someone that reads the book for the first time after watching this.


I can't imagine how watching this would spur anybody to search out the book.
 
2021-01-22 9:08:03 AM  
Is it perhaps a disappointment overall because upon a second reading - or viewing, rather - it becomes more apparent that the writing from which it's based isn't particularly good?

It's okay. Your tastes are supposed to change from when you were 12.
 
2021-01-22 9:12:00 AM  

EyeballKid: Is it perhaps a disappointment overall because upon a second reading - or viewing, rather - it becomes more apparent that the writing from which it's based isn't particularly good?

It's okay. Your tastes are supposed to change from when you were 12.


The other versions hold up just fine. This adaptation is poorly done.
 
2021-01-22 9:18:26 AM  
Who the fug is Ezra Miller?
 
2021-01-22 9:22:16 AM  

NeoCortex42: One thing I really hated in this episode: Nick and the bomb.

In the original miniseries (and I think the book as well, although it's been a while), he gets a vision of the bomb and tries to find it and save everyone else.  In the new episode, he just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and does nothing to even spur other people to get out of the house.

This miniseries has been incredibly disappointing.  The production quality is decent enough, the cast should be good on paper, but the overall structure and storytelling makes it tough to give a crap about any of the characters.  They're all just so underdeveloped.  I didn't even realize that woman was the Judge until Flagg mentioned it.


It's a larger problem with the second half (roughly) of the book, after the good guys gather in Boulder and the bad guys in Las Vegas.  Spoilers to follow, so look away now if you haven't read the book.

(spoilers begin)

So the second half of the novel is set up as an apocalyptic battle between elemental good and evil, led by Mother Abigail and Randal Flagg.  But the forces of good -- don't really do anything.  Rather, it's just that he forces of evil collapse on their own.  Now, this might be a comment on the nature of evil, but in this context, it's just kind of unsatisfying.

Mother Abigail literally just disappears.  A group is sent from Boulder to Las Vegas to -- well, to kill Flagg, somehow.  But they are captured almost immediately and quite literally watch the final victory over Flagg as they are all tied up.  And that victory is....another character, who was not one of the "good guys", rolling into the middle of Las Vegas, unopposed, with a nuke.

I'm not saying The Stand is a bad book, or not worth reading.  I'm just saying that the storytelling leaves quite a bit to be desired at the end.
 
2021-01-22 9:34:58 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Who the fug is Ezra Miller?


The Flash from the Justice League movie.
 
2021-01-22 9:41:10 AM  

jake_lex: (spoilers begin)

So the second half of the novel is set up as an apocalyptic battle between elemental good and evil, led by Mother Abigail and Randal Flagg.  But the forces of good -- don't really do anything.  Rather, it's just that he forces of evil collapse on their own.  Now, this might be a comment on the nature of evil, but in this context, it's just kind of unsatisfying.

Mother Abigail literally just disappears.  A group is sent from Boulder to Las Vegas to -- well, to kill Flagg, somehow.  But they are captured almost immediately and quite literally watch the final victory over Flagg as they are all tied up.  And that victory is....another character, who was not one of the "good guys", rolling into the middle of Las Vegas, unopposed, with a nuke.


I absolutely understand those complaints about the story.  It's kind of like the end of BSG, where people were ticked that it amounted to "God did it".  It wasn't as compelling a story as it could have been as far as the ending plot, but it stuck to its themes pretty well.  Evil is self-defeating, victory comes from belief in God, sacrifice is sometimes necessary for the greater good.  That's basically what the ending went for, for better or for worse.
 
2021-01-22 9:44:58 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Who the fug is Ezra Miller?


Basicallly this guy for millenials.
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2021-01-22 10:14:02 AM  

darkhorse23: That's not a Trashcan Man. THIS is a Trashcan Man.
//cibola

[i.imgur.com image 518x397]


The one and farkin' only...   He's great in any role he gets.

Yep, I prefer the old series...
 
2021-01-22 10:14:57 AM  
I've read the book, and liked the polite TV version from 25 years ago.

I'm also fine with this adaption. While Harold should be fatter, they got him spot on, otherwise. The Trashcan Man is... different, but I can't say it's better or worse than Frewer's interpretation.

I do like the Tom Cullen take in this latest effort.

I think people are approaching this as "Stop liking...." and finding every possible way to hate on this.

It's not an easy work of literature to mold into a teleplay. At least it isn't "Under The Dome" which was a horrible mess of King Tropes based on a terrible book, which didn't know how to end.
 
2021-01-22 10:22:18 AM  

jake_lex: NeoCortex42: One thing I really hated in this episode: Nick and the bomb.

In the original miniseries (and I think the book as well, although it's been a while), he gets a vision of the bomb and tries to find it and save everyone else.  In the new episode, he just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and does nothing to even spur other people to get out of the house.

This miniseries has been incredibly disappointing.  The production quality is decent enough, the cast should be good on paper, but the overall structure and storytelling makes it tough to give a crap about any of the characters.  They're all just so underdeveloped.  I didn't even realize that woman was the Judge until Flagg mentioned it.

It's a larger problem with the second half (roughly) of the book, after the good guys gather in Boulder and the bad guys in Las Vegas.  Spoilers to follow, so look away now if you haven't read the book.

(spoilers begin)

So the second half of the novel is set up as an apocalyptic battle between elemental good and evil, led by Mother Abigail and Randal Flagg.  But the forces of good -- don't really do anything.  Rather, it's just that he forces of evil collapse on their own.  Now, this might be a comment on the nature of evil, but in this context, it's just kind of unsatisfying.

Mother Abigail literally just disappears.  A group is sent from Boulder to Las Vegas to -- well, to kill Flagg, somehow.  But they are captured almost immediately and quite literally watch the final victory over Flagg as they are all tied up.  And that victory is....another character, who was not one of the "good guys", rolling into the middle of Las Vegas, unopposed, with a nuke.

I'm not saying The Stand is a bad book, or not worth reading.  I'm just saying that the storytelling leaves quite a bit to be desired at the end.


I haven't read the book since I was 13, but looking back on it, yeah. The protagonists don't do anything to resolve the conflict. They're bystanders.

I don't think it's some grand commentary on the nature of evil. It's just bad writing. Like George Lucas bad.
 
2021-01-22 10:53:21 AM  
I'm bored to death with this version. I don't care about any of the characters at all. The non-linear storytelling doesn't work, the time spent flashing back hasn't managed to flesh out the characters that well, Lloyd Henry bothers the crap out of me, Flagg, for what little we've seen so far isn't scary or interesting,  I haven't even gotten to Trashcan man yet, not sure if I will.

Like many I hated Molly Ringwald in the first one, she just seemed to stick out like a sore thumb, but the majority of the cast was pretty good and I would watch it again.
 
2021-01-22 10:58:42 AM  
So bad, it's terrible.
 
2021-01-22 11:18:58 AM  
Harold the master manipulator simply isn't capable of following through on the act. He's a coward, and the narrative he has constructed for himself is delusional. Harold thinks of himself as rational and intelligent, but his behaviors are erratic and almost child-like.

Hmm, where have we seen people like that recently?
 
2021-01-22 11:25:13 AM  

gilgigamesh: I haven't read the book since I was 13, but looking back on it, yeah. The protagonists don't do anything to resolve the conflict. They're bystanders.

I don't think it's some grand commentary on the nature of evil. It's just bad writing. Like George Lucas bad.


George Lucas wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark, and has been pointed out many times, you could remove Indy from the story entirely and the Nazis would still get their faces melted off.
 
2021-01-22 11:27:19 AM  

jake_lex: NeoCortex42: One thing I really hated in this episode: Nick and the bomb.

In the original miniseries (and I think the book as well, although it's been a while), he gets a vision of the bomb and tries to find it and save everyone else.  In the new episode, he just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and does nothing to even spur other people to get out of the house.

This miniseries has been incredibly disappointing.  The production quality is decent enough, the cast should be good on paper, but the overall structure and storytelling makes it tough to give a crap about any of the characters.  They're all just so underdeveloped.  I didn't even realize that woman was the Judge until Flagg mentioned it.

It's a larger problem with the second half (roughly) of the book, after the good guys gather in Boulder and the bad guys in Las Vegas.  Spoilers to follow, so look away now if you haven't read the book.

(spoilers begin)

So the second half of the novel is set up as an apocalyptic battle between elemental good and evil, led by Mother Abigail and Randal Flagg.  But the forces of good -- don't really do anything.  Rather, it's just that he forces of evil collapse on their own.  Now, this might be a comment on the nature of evil, but in this context, it's just kind of unsatisfying.

Mother Abigail literally just disappears.  A group is sent from Boulder to Las Vegas to -- well, to kill Flagg, somehow.  But they are captured almost immediately and quite literally watch the final victory over Flagg as they are all tied up.  And that victory is....another character, who was not one of the "good guys", rolling into the middle of Las Vegas, unopposed, with a nuke.

I'm not saying The Stand is a bad book, or not worth reading.  I'm just saying that the storytelling leaves quite a bit to be desired at the end.


People are generally better off just reading the 1st half of the book and making up their own ending.
 
2021-01-22 11:29:10 AM  

tkgeisha: I'm bored to death with this version. I don't care about any of the characters at all. The non-linear storytelling doesn't work, the time spent flashing back hasn't managed to flesh out the characters that well, Lloyd Henry bothers the crap out of me, Flagg, for what little we've seen so far isn't scary or interesting,  I haven't even gotten to Trashcan man yet, not sure if I will.

Like many I hated Molly Ringwald in the first one, she just seemed to stick out like a sore thumb, but the majority of the cast was pretty good and I would watch it again.


The original miniseries is worth watching just for Gary Sinise and Matt Frewer.
 
2021-01-22 12:10:57 PM  

tkgeisha: , Lloyd Henry bothers the crap out of me


He's the worst. Miguel Ferrer played him in the original mini-series and you'd be hard pressed to tell they were supposed to be the same character. In the book he's highly competent and takes his job as Flagg's right-hand man seriously. In this version he wears greasy snake-skin jackets and does a bunch of coke (something that would get you crucified in the book) while having threesomes. Someone thought this was a smart artistic choice.
 
2021-01-22 12:11:31 PM  

EyeballKid: Is it perhaps a disappointment overall because upon a second reading - or viewing, rather - it becomes more apparent that the writing from which it's based isn't particularly good?

It's okay. Your tastes are supposed to change from when you were 12.


I'm not sure I've ever agreed with you before.  But I agree with you now.  I spent much of the last two years rereading the King catalogue.  Outside of the short stories and novellas, there's a lot of trash and trope after trope after trope.  I mean 50's-style greasers were the villains of his books well into the 90's.
 
2021-01-22 12:12:39 PM  
OK article author Eric Vespe who seems to have no real understanding of how filming works.

this guy wants to clearly lay the full blame of not liking the way the character is portrayed entirely on the actor's shoulders.

here's a nice sum up of it all in this:
"but the choices Miller makes border on offensive mental illness stereotypes. "


The fook it is so rare for an actor to have that level of control over the character, and i'd say for sure  Miller has not achieved the kind of fame power that allows him to dictate terms to the writers, director and producers of a film project.

If that was the performance you saw it lands first on the Director who, as the name implies, directs the actors' performances. If the director said "that's a take, i like how you do that." then they did and that was the real seal of approval/stamp of creative authority on the matter. not the actor alone to be named alone and to provide excuses for everyone else claiming the witting is good and it is just in the performance of the actor in a vacuum alone.
 
2021-01-22 12:15:47 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: jake_lex: NeoCortex42: One thing I really hated in this episode: Nick and the bomb.

In the original miniseries (and I think the book as well, although it's been a while), he gets a vision of the bomb and tries to find it and save everyone else.  In the new episode, he just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and does nothing to even spur other people to get out of the house.

This miniseries has been incredibly disappointing.  The production quality is decent enough, the cast should be good on paper, but the overall structure and storytelling makes it tough to give a crap about any of the characters.  They're all just so underdeveloped.  I didn't even realize that woman was the Judge until Flagg mentioned it.

It's a larger problem with the second half (roughly) of the book, after the good guys gather in Boulder and the bad guys in Las Vegas.  Spoilers to follow, so look away now if you haven't read the book.

(spoilers begin)

So the second half of the novel is set up as an apocalyptic battle between elemental good and evil, led by Mother Abigail and Randal Flagg.  But the forces of good -- don't really do anything.  Rather, it's just that he forces of evil collapse on their own.  Now, this might be a comment on the nature of evil, but in this context, it's just kind of unsatisfying.

Mother Abigail literally just disappears.  A group is sent from Boulder to Las Vegas to -- well, to kill Flagg, somehow.  But they are captured almost immediately and quite literally watch the final victory over Flagg as they are all tied up.  And that victory is....another character, who was not one of the "good guys", rolling into the middle of Las Vegas, unopposed, with a nuke.

I'm not saying The Stand is a bad book, or not worth reading.  I'm just saying that the storytelling leaves quite a bit to be desired at the end.

People are generally better off just reading the 1st half of the book and making up their own ending.


Heck, not even the first half. The best parts are all the little deaths that take place because society had collapsed. Those side stories were wonderful and propped up the first half.
 
2021-01-22 12:16:01 PM  

Noah_Tall: FTA

The Stand reveals the true dangers of reckless self-mythologizing especially as it pertains to a toxic male ego.

Using promiscuity, strippers, bondage and leather, and sexual otherness as shorthand for immorality strips The Stand of any reputable discourse about good and evil.

Combine that with

a bizarre and unnerving but also sort of goofy montage full of flames and farked visuals.

Look, I know you have deadlines to meet but having your high-school journalism major daughter write an article for you isn't the answer.


Strip away all the buzzwords and they have a point.  Book  Vegas was highly regimented, efficient, and had draconian punishments for minor offenses.

It was to draw in engineers, technicians, and soldiers who could restore and operate war machines to crush the Mother Abigail hippies in Boulder who were armed with deer rifles and who could barely keep the lights on.
 
2021-01-22 12:24:13 PM  

darkhorse23: That's not a Trashcan Man. THIS is a Trashcan Man.
//cibola

[i.imgur.com image 518x397]


I mean, that version was flawed, but he was one of the best parts, along with Laura SanGiacomo, Ruby Dee and Ray Walston.

//My life for you!
//Would watch Matt Frewer read a phone book.
//Why has no one rebooted Max Headroom yet?
 
2021-01-22 12:37:19 PM  

kermit the forg: darkhorse23: That's not a Trashcan Man. THIS is a Trashcan Man.
//cibola

[i.imgur.com image 518x397]

I mean, that version was flawed, but he was one of the best parts, along with Laura SanGiacomo, Ruby Dee and Ray Walston.

//My life for you!
//Would watch Matt Frewer read a phone book.
//Why has no one rebooted Max Headroom yet?


Because it wouldn't be a reboot but a 'reimagining,' they would do so without Frewer and it would be a hot mess. Be grateful for small blessings.
 
2021-01-22 12:48:05 PM  
So the ending sucks?  How is that different from the book?  Great character building, great tension, cop out blech ending.
 
2021-01-22 2:09:47 PM  

xxBirdMadGirlxx: kermit the forg: darkhorse23: That's not a Trashcan Man. THIS is a Trashcan Man.
//cibola

[i.imgur.com image 518x397]

I mean, that version was flawed, but he was one of the best parts, along with Laura SanGiacomo, Ruby Dee and Ray Walston.

//My life for you!
//Would watch Matt Frewer read a phone book.
//Why has no one rebooted Max Headroom yet?

Because it wouldn't be a reboot but a 'reimagining,' they would do so without Frewer and it would be a hot mess. Be grateful for small blessings.


True, although with computer graphics the way they are now, there's no reason Frewer couldn't still play Max.

//and Edison could just be older
//although we're pretty much living in the future it predicted, (albeit less grimy) so it might be moot at this point.
 
2021-01-22 2:16:57 PM  

CarnySaur: I was hoping that being on a streaming service would give them the opportunity to do the book justice, but they rushed the first part of the book and decided that the characters would never evolve (like making Harold a psycho from his first scene).


This. I don't watch a lot of TV but when I heard about this I was like "finally, The Stand can be done right." I gave up after the first episode. I didn't expect it to mirror the book exactly, but as others have said, you have to wonder if the people involved even read the book.

The ABC miniseries had its flaws, but it had much better actors and that unforgettable opening scene with the corpses heaped in hallways while "Don't Fear the Reaper" played.
 
2021-01-22 2:22:52 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Who the fug is Ezra Miller?


You probably know him as "the Worst Flash".
 
2021-01-22 3:08:13 PM  

NeoCortex42: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: blackminded: Tannhauser: Haven't read the book.

Clearly.

I'd like to see the feedback of someone that reads the book for the first time after watching this.

I can't imagine how watching this would spur anybody to search out the book.


fair point.  But that would make a good social experiment.  Half have to watch a horrible adaptation (I'm looking right at you Scarlet Letter) and then read the book.  The other have the opposite.  Then they discuss which is better.  Or a fantastic adaptation of a horrible book.  I can't think of one in that category...
 
2021-01-22 3:11:27 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Or a fantastic adaptation of a horrible book.  I can't think of one in that category...


Jaws. That book is crap.
 
2021-01-22 3:34:26 PM  

Confabulat: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Or a fantastic adaptation of a horrible book.  I can't think of one in that category...

Jaws. That book is crap.


The Godfather.  The book isn't bad, but it has some long, meandering subplots that don't really add anything and were rightly left out of the movie.  There's a long excursion following Johnny Fontaine's career after the horse head in the bed revitalized his career.  And there's also a long subplot about Lucy Mancini's...well, about Lucy Mancini's gynecological issues.
 
2021-01-22 3:51:42 PM  

jake_lex: Confabulat: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Or a fantastic adaptation of a horrible book.  I can't think of one in that category...

Jaws. That book is crap.

The Godfather.  The book isn't bad, but it has some long, meandering subplots that don't really add anything and were rightly left out of the movie.  There's a long excursion following Johnny Fontaine's career after the horse head in the bed revitalized his career.  And there's also a long subplot about Lucy Mancini's...well, about Lucy Mancini's gynecological issues.


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2021-01-22 5:41:50 PM  

foo monkey: jake_lex: Confabulat: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Or a fantastic adaptation of a horrible book.  I can't think of one in that category...

Jaws. That book is crap.

The Godfather.  The book isn't bad, but it has some long, meandering subplots that don't really add anything and were rightly left out of the movie.  There's a long excursion following Johnny Fontaine's career after the horse head in the bed revitalized his career.  And there's also a long subplot about Lucy Mancini's...well, about Lucy Mancini's gynecological issues.

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Currently rewatching The Sopranos and I can't stop laughing.
 
2021-01-22 7:07:40 PM  

NeoCortex42: I can't imagine how watching this would spur anybody to search out the book.


I do it all the time.  No matter how bad the adapted media is, the source material had something about it in its original form that convinced others to ride to success on its coat tails.  Rarely have I regretted doing so (*cough**cough*Naked Lunch*cough*).
 
2021-01-22 7:42:22 PM  
This version of Trashcan Man is barely competent. He's more mentally disabled than Tom, and that's just... weird.

They've skipped over so much and then doubled the focus on shiat that doesn't matter near as much as they think it does. We almost got Marilyn Manson as The Kid. While I'd have liked to see the character back in the story, I suspect with the weird take on ALL the characters, this would have been nothing like the book Kid.

Lloyd is just... well, a farkin' lame-ass dork. He's just a tacky, giggly, white trash douchebag in this version. The Judge was shorted and done dirty. She didn't get much in the way of lines, and her sacrifice didn't even happen on screen.

Where's Ralph? Am I missing it? Is one of the people we've seen already this show's Bizarro-world version of Ralph? Because HE'S KIND OF IMPORTANT seeing as he's supposed to be one of the four who goes west. Wait... Is it that kinda-biatchy (and irrationally attached to Mother Abigail) indigenous woman? Is she the feminine version of Ralph? Holy shiat, she is, isn't she? Fark. She's not even getting any chances to be pals with Stu or build any good will with the rest of the group. She's also not in the committee and in the book Ralph WAS in the committee IIRC.

And we haven't seen Ratwoman yet, have we? I can't even tell in this version because EVERY character is like some warped mirror version of their book counterpart, with the exception of Stu.

Oh, and not ONE verse of "Baby Can You Dig Your Man?" by Larry Underwood? Not ONE? WTF?
 
2021-01-22 8:47:09 PM  
I was so looking forward to this.

The flashback method in the first half was a terrible choice.  The show has its moments but like someone else said I can't believe they ditched the Lincoln Tunnel scene.

The old miniseries is just flat out better imho.
 
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