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2021-01-22 2:14:54 AM  
Next, drunken revenge sex.
 
2021-01-22 2:14:59 AM  
England really has the rebellious teenager schtick down. "You're not the boss of me!!" (Breaks skateboard on the way out the door)
 
2021-01-22 2:19:40 AM  

Creidiki: Next, drunken revenge sex.


Putin will bring the vodka.
 
2021-01-22 2:19:48 AM  
Pasty little trolls.
 
2021-01-22 2:23:02 AM  
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2021-01-22 2:48:03 AM  

batrachoseps: England really has the rebellious teenager schtick down. "You're not the boss of me!!" (Breaks skateboard on the way out the door)


Except it's a fat balding red faced middle aged man and it's way past time to grow up
 
2021-01-22 2:50:26 AM  
Petty? Jolly old Brexit-Britain? You don't say, old chap.
 
2021-01-22 2:50:56 AM  
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SOff topic, but this is what is happening now on WND, which I refuse to put an actual link to.  This is a screenshot.

Notice, that today, Rush Limbaugh is complaining about Biden's Coronavirus response already, just a day after being president.  WTF!!!!
 
2021-01-22 3:00:23 AM  
FTFA:
Instead of giving the EU's ambassador, Joao Vale de Almeida, full diplomatic status, the UK wants to treat the EU delegation as representatives of an international organisation.

This illustrates that after decades of membership and tireless work to explain to our English friends what the EU is all about, they still have not fully come to grasp what the European Union actually is. It is not a free-trading area, it is not a loose organisation of states, it is not a club to profit from as you please, but a union of free European countries who have the clear objective to bring peace and prosperity to its members and make the lives of all European citizens better.

Anyway, it won't take long and the EU ambassador will be recognized as such. I'd wager by the end of next week, latest.
 
2021-01-22 3:07:46 AM  

Paddy: FTFA:
Instead of giving the EU's ambassador, Joao Vale de Almeida, full diplomatic status, the UK wants to treat the EU delegation as representatives of an international organisation.

This illustrates that after decades of membership and tireless work to explain to our English friends what the EU is all about, they still have not fully come to grasp what the European Union actually is. It is not a free-trading area, it is not a loose organisation of states, it is not a club to profit from as you please, but a union of free European countries who have the clear objective to bring peace and prosperity to its members and make the lives of all European citizens better.

Anyway, it won't take long and the EU ambassador will be recognized as such. I'd wager by the end of next week, latest.


I should retract that. Obviously, this row has been going on for nearly a year but has just been leaked. To put some more pressure on the UK government, I suppose.
 
2021-01-22 3:08:09 AM  
"Sure, we're dependent on them for a third of our essentials, and, sure, we've screwed up our own trade & customs so badly that they're selling the stuff we need to other people simply because it's easier, but, I'm sure we can somehow make the situation even worse for ourselves somehow...."
*puts on dunce cap*
"I know! I'll piss off the EU ambassador by treating them like a trade org instead of a sovereign entity! We get to look down our noses at them, and our power move will intimidate them into providing the advantageous trade we want without all that silly membership business - GENIUS!"
 
2021-01-22 3:09:22 AM  

Paddy: To put some more pressure on the UK government, I suppose.


Well, yeah. When your toddler won't listen to a hissed request, the "if I have to raise my voice, you'll be sorry" statement comes next. This is the EU, raising their voice.
 
2021-01-22 3:09:40 AM  

Paddy: FTFA:
Instead of giving the EU's ambassador, Joao Vale de Almeida, full diplomatic status, the UK wants to treat the EU delegation as representatives of an international organisation.

This illustrates that after decades of membership and tireless work to explain to our English friends what the EU is all about, they still have not fully come to grasp what the European Union actually is. It is not a free-trading area, it is not a loose organisation of states, it is not a club to profit from as you please, but a union of free European countries who have the clear objective to bring peace and prosperity to its members and make the lives of all European citizens better.

Anyway, it won't take long and the EU ambassador will be recognized as such. I'd wager by the end of next week, latest.


I think this is just a dumb trap to prove that the EU is a superstate bureaucracy.
 
2021-01-22 3:14:10 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: Paddy: FTFA:
Instead of giving the EU's ambassador, Joao Vale de Almeida, full diplomatic status, the UK wants to treat the EU delegation as representatives of an international organisation.

This illustrates that after decades of membership and tireless work to explain to our English friends what the EU is all about, they still have not fully come to grasp what the European Union actually is. It is not a free-trading area, it is not a loose organisation of states, it is not a club to profit from as you please, but a union of free European countries who have the clear objective to bring peace and prosperity to its members and make the lives of all European citizens better.

Anyway, it won't take long and the EU ambassador will be recognized as such. I'd wager by the end of next week, latest.

I think this is just a dumb trap to prove that the EU is a superstate bureaucracy.


Well it has way less red tape then mighty blighty
We are literally destroying our trade with it!!!
 
2021-01-22 3:14:45 AM  

Zenith: Well it has way less red tape then mighty blighty
We are literally destroying our trade with it!!!


Yup.
 
2021-01-22 3:17:30 AM  
The UK, shrinking and drifting across the ocean. Once they lose London as the seat of finance I think it'll just be a field of grass.
 
2021-01-22 3:27:46 AM  
Instead of giving the EU's ambassador, Joao Vale de Almeida, full diplomatic status, the UK wants to treat the EU delegation as representatives of an international organisation.

So you can just decide to re-categorize governments now? 

Sweet. China is now a book of the month club, and Ireland is one of those subscription box services that send you different types of soap every month.
 
2021-01-22 4:09:08 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The UK, shrinking and drifting across the ocean. Once they lose London as the seat of finance I think it'll just be a field of grass.


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2021-01-22 5:27:47 AM  

ParallelUniverseParking: Petty? Jolly old Brexit-Britain? You don't say, old chap.


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2021-01-22 5:45:16 AM  

Paddy: FTFA:
Instead of giving the EU's ambassador, Joao Vale de Almeida, full diplomatic status, the UK wants to treat the EU delegation as representatives of an international organisation.

This illustrates that after decades of membership and tireless work to explain to our English friends what the EU is all about, they still have not fully come to grasp what the European Union actually is. It is not a free-trading area, it is not a loose organisation of states, it is not a club to profit from as you please, but a union of free European countries who have the clear objective to bring peace and prosperity to its members and make the lives of all European citizens better.

Anyway, it won't take long and the EU ambassador will be recognized as such. I'd wager by the end of next week, latest.


As Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister made perfectly clear, it has always been the role of the British Foreign Office to deharmonise and destabilise Europe wherever possible.

Once the Poms felt they'd lost their capacity to wage war from within, they farked off. It's entirely consistent with almost all of 500 years of foreign policy.

Like so many of the post colonial nightmares they created (because it's better to divide and destabilise than compete on fair terms, that's the British way) the Poms can't see that the rest of the world sees them as European. The world sees India and Pakistan as pretty much the same place and culture but they have nukes pointed at each other. My home Australia has a very petty relationship with our New Zealand cousins despite most of the world assuming we're the same. (The world sees Ireland as a lot closer to Britain than the Irish do (and I'm sure that will rile you given your Fark handle) but that's not the point I'm making exactly now.)

Britain will economically, socially and possibly militarily lose due to Brexit, that's my prediction. But it's an entirely normal set of prejudices which have gotten them to this point and it's a big failure to understand their role on the global stage which has gotten them there. But I'm sure that will dawn on them in the decades to come.
 
2021-01-22 6:31:49 AM  
Hang about. If the EU is not a 'proper country' but an 'international organisation' comprising of 27 separate countries, what the hell is the United Kingdom? The last time I checked, it was an international organisation comprising of four separate countries.
 
2021-01-22 6:51:11 AM  

luckyeddie: Hang about. If the EU is not a 'proper country' but an 'international organisation' comprising of 27 separate countries, what the hell is the United Kingdom? The last time I checked, it was an international organisation comprising of four separate countries.


*soon to be three.....Scotland is on its way out.

/maybe 2 if Northern Island has had enough...
 
2021-01-22 7:00:11 AM  

ModernLuddite: Instead of giving the EU's ambassador, Joao Vale de Almeida, full diplomatic status, the UK wants to treat the EU delegation as representatives of an international organisation.

So you can just decide to re-categorize governments now? 

Sweet. China is now a book of the month club, and Ireland is one of those subscription box services that send you different types of soap every month.


And Russia is a criminal gang.
 
2021-01-22 7:13:32 AM  

Darwins Point-ed Stick: luckyeddie: Hang about. If the EU is not a 'proper country' but an 'international organisation' comprising of 27 separate countries, what the hell is the United Kingdom? The last time I checked, it was an international organisation comprising of four separate countries.

*soon to be three.....Scotland is on its way out.

/maybe 2 if Northern Island has had enough...


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/polit​i​cs/north-slowly-becoming-part-of-unite​d-ireland-says-former-british-chancell​or-1.4463045

Interesting read
 
2021-01-22 7:37:17 AM  

MrSplifferton: [Fark user image image 850x455]SOff topic, but this is what is happening now on WND, which I refuse to put an actual link to.  This is a screenshot.

Notice, that today, Rush Limbaugh is complaining about Biden's Coronavirus response already, just a day after being president.  WTF!!!!


Come now, did you actually expect anything different?
 
2021-01-22 7:44:07 AM  

Aussie_As: Paddy: FTFA:
Instead of giving the EU's ambassador, Joao Vale de Almeida, full diplomatic status, the UK wants to treat the EU delegation as representatives of an international organisation.

This illustrates that after decades of membership and tireless work to explain to our English friends what the EU is all about, they still have not fully come to grasp what the European Union actually is. It is not a free-trading area, it is not a loose organisation of states, it is not a club to profit from as you please, but a union of free European countries who have the clear objective to bring peace and prosperity to its members and make the lives of all European citizens better.

Anyway, it won't take long and the EU ambassador will be recognized as such. I'd wager by the end of next week, latest.

As Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister made perfectly clear, it has always been the role of the British Foreign Office to deharmonise and destabilise Europe wherever possible.

Once the Poms felt they'd lost their capacity to wage war from within, they farked off. It's entirely consistent with almost all of 500 years of foreign policy.

Like so many of the post colonial nightmares they created (because it's better to divide and destabilise than compete on fair terms, that's the British way) the Poms can't see that the rest of the world sees them as European. The world sees India and Pakistan as pretty much the same place and culture but they have nukes pointed at each other. My home Australia has a very petty relationship with our New Zealand cousins despite most of the world assuming we're the same. (The world sees Ireland as a lot closer to Britain than the Irish do (and I'm sure that will rile you given your Fark handle) but that's not the point I'm making exactly now.)

Britain will economically, socially and possibly militarily lose due to Brexit, that's my prediction. But it's an entirely normal set of prejudices which have gotten them to this point and it's a big failure to understand their role on the global stage which has gotten them there. But I'm sure that will dawn on them in the decades to come.


It was funny hearing old Brexiters saying England managed to get through WWII on their own, and they can do it again. I guess they missed that the only reason they survived was due to raping their colonies, and being bailed out by the US.
 
2021-01-22 7:45:25 AM  

luckyeddie: Hang about. If the EU is not a 'proper country' but an 'international organisation' comprising of 27 separate countries, what the hell is the United Kingdom? The last time I checked, it was an international organisation comprising of four separate countries.


The UK is a Sovereign State in it's own right which the EU is not (although it's moving in that direction) nor are any of the four Constituent Countries on the UK.

The EU ambassador is unusual in that they are the ambassador of a group that each already have their own ambassadors.

Imagine if there was a Californian, Texan, etc ambassador in Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland. Imagine if each of the States had a Scottish ambassador and a Bavarian ambassador and a Corsican Ambassador and a Quebec Ambassador and a ShanDong ambassador, etc in addition to the national ambassadors as well as ambassadors from each of the other states.
 
2021-01-22 7:51:04 AM  
Just to be clear there's nothing wrong with having an EU ambassador but it is unusual.

I think Boris is trying to bait the EU into making a big deal about this issue to highlight to Brexiters that the EU is trying to become a superstate which was one of the reasons they voted Brexit.
 
2021-01-22 8:00:59 AM  

1000Monkeys: luckyeddie: Hang about. If the EU is not a 'proper country' but an 'international organisation' comprising of 27 separate countries, what the hell is the United Kingdom? The last time I checked, it was an international organisation comprising of four separate countries.

The UK is a Sovereign State in it's own right which the EU is not (although it's moving in that direction) nor are any of the four Constituent Countries on the UK.

The EU ambassador is unusual in that they are the ambassador of a group that each already have their own ambassadors.

Imagine if there was a Californian, Texan, etc ambassador in Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland. Imagine if each of the States had a Scottish ambassador and a Bavarian ambassador and a Corsican Ambassador and a Quebec Ambassador and a ShanDong ambassador, etc in addition to the national ambassadors as well as ambassadors from each of the other states.


It's done because otherwise the small EU countries would form an actual superstate (for sovereignty protection) which Germany, France, et al would be loathe to join.

The rest of the world allows it because none of them want a real united EU state.
 
2021-01-22 10:34:03 AM  

numinous: 1000Monkeys: luckyeddie: Hang about. If the EU is not a 'proper country' but an 'international organisation' comprising of 27 separate countries, what the hell is the United Kingdom? The last time I checked, it was an international organisation comprising of four separate countries.

The UK is a Sovereign State in it's own right which the EU is not (although it's moving in that direction) nor are any of the four Constituent Countries on the UK.

The EU ambassador is unusual in that they are the ambassador of a group that each already have their own ambassadors.

Imagine if there was a Californian, Texan, etc ambassador in Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland. Imagine if each of the States had a Scottish ambassador and a Bavarian ambassador and a Corsican Ambassador and a Quebec Ambassador and a ShanDong ambassador, etc in addition to the national ambassadors as well as ambassadors from each of the other states.

It's done because otherwise the small EU countries would form an actual superstate (for sovereignty protection) which Germany, France, et al would be loathe to join.

The rest of the world allows it because none of them want a real united EU state.


What?

Germany and France starting the EU predecessor had nothing to do with what you are trying to insinuate. They rather thought that after four wars that led to nothing except death all around maybe they should try something different. Then Italy and the Benelux countries joined etc.

What the UK are trying here is a poor attempt to piss into the EU tent from the outside. Brexit was done under many false assumptions, one of these that the EU was failing anyway (making them the first rat to leave the sinking ship, obviously), therefore seeing the EU excel further is not something they'd like to see now and should be disturbed as much as possible. 141 other countries have assessed whether the EU ambassador should receive official ambassador status and saw no problem with that. Just one does, and it's quite telling that it's an unhappy exmember who didn't quite get what it promised at home.
The English government is simply trying to piss everyone off for their own political agenda.
 
2021-01-22 10:36:57 AM  

Cormee: Darwins Point-ed Stick: luckyeddie: Hang about. If the EU is not a 'proper country' but an 'international organisation' comprising of 27 separate countries, what the hell is the United Kingdom? The last time I checked, it was an international organisation comprising of four separate countries.

*soon to be three.....Scotland is on its way out.

/maybe 2 if Northern Island has had enough...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politi​cs/north-slowly-becoming-part-of-unite​d-ireland-says-former-british-chancell​or-1.4463045

Interesting read


Top link, thanks very much.


/most of our current farkery started with those two [Cameron and Osbourne] absolute farking chancing Bellends.
 
2021-01-22 10:49:50 AM  

Aussie_As: Paddy: FTFA:
Instead of giving the EU's ambassador, Joao Vale de Almeida, full diplomatic status, the UK wants to treat the EU delegation as representatives of an international organisation.

This illustrates that after decades of membership and tireless work to explain to our English friends what the EU is all about, they still have not fully come to grasp what the European Union actually is. It is not a free-trading area, it is not a loose organisation of states, it is not a club to profit from as you please, but a union of free European countries who have the clear objective to bring peace and prosperity to its members and make the lives of all European citizens better.

Anyway, it won't take long and the EU ambassador will be recognized as such. I'd wager by the end of next week, latest.

As Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister made perfectly clear, it has always been the role of the British Foreign Office to deharmonise and destabilise Europe wherever possible.

Once the Poms felt they'd lost their capacity to wage war from within, they farked off. It's entirely consistent with almost all of 500 years of foreign policy.

Like so many of the post colonial nightmares they created (because it's better to divide and destabilise than compete on fair terms, that's the British way) the Poms can't see that the rest of the world sees them as European. The world sees India and Pakistan as pretty much the same place and culture but they have nukes pointed at each other. My home Australia has a very petty relationship with our New Zealand cousins despite most of the world assuming we're the same. (The world sees Ireland as a lot closer to Britain than the Irish do (and I'm sure that will rile you given your Fark handle) but that's not the point I'm making exactly now.)

Britain will economically, socially and possibly militarily lose due to Brexit, that's my prediction. But it's an entirely normal set of prejudices which have gotten them to this point and it's a big failure to understand their role on the global stage which has gotten them there. But I'm sure that will dawn on them in the decades to come.


I totally agree with your elaborate assessment. The UK, having singlehandedly won WW2, couldn't quite come to terms with France and Germany living and peace and joining forces for a change. Meanwhile, their own economy went downhill and hit rock bottom in the 70s. Joining a losers' club was never easy for them.

On your point of association by proximity, of course that's how it goes. And culturally the UK are Europeans anyway, they're playing that game for political reasons and nothing else.

There are of course little differences resulting from religious differences, mostly protestant (ora et labora) vs Catholic, but that matters only in places where religion takes a hold of politics.
I'm not bringing that up because of the Irish Troubles (I'm German and to my biggest regret I've never been to Ireland, although I love celebrating St. Pat's and having a sing in our local Irish pubs) but because even here in Germany you have little animosities between counties that are predominantly the one vs the other. But that's just banter and nothing serious. The way it should be.

Anyway, what did I want to say? It's Friday evening (almost), beer is cold and I'll have one soon.
 
2021-01-22 10:53:14 AM  

Cormee: Darwins Point-ed Stick: luckyeddie: Hang about. If the EU is not a 'proper country' but an 'international organisation' comprising of 27 separate countries, what the hell is the United Kingdom? The last time I checked, it was an international organisation comprising of four separate countries.

*soon to be three.....Scotland is on its way out.

/maybe 2 if Northern Island has had enough...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politi​cs/north-slowly-becoming-part-of-unite​d-ireland-says-former-british-chancell​or-1.4463045

Interesting read


So what's the south generally thinking about reunion? I heard the north is rather poor and rundown and politically it would be difficult, too, to put these two parts back together.
Does Ireland feel ready for it?
 
2021-01-22 11:59:33 AM  

Paddy: Cormee: Darwins Point-ed Stick: luckyeddie: Hang about. If the EU is not a 'proper country' but an 'international organisation' comprising of 27 separate countries, what the hell is the United Kingdom? The last time I checked, it was an international organisation comprising of four separate countries.

*soon to be three.....Scotland is on its way out.

/maybe 2 if Northern Island has had enough...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politi​cs/north-slowly-becoming-part-of-unite​d-ireland-says-former-british-chancell​or-1.4463045

Interesting read

So what's the south generally thinking about reunion? I heard the north is rather poor and rundown and politically it would be difficult, too, to put these two parts back together.
Does Ireland feel ready for it?


I don't know of any recent surveys in the Republic regarding reunification.

Personally, if you had asked me a few years ago, I'd have voted against a united Ireland. Northern Irish loyalists were so aggressively anti-reunification, it just wouldn't have been worth the effort or cost, for what's arguably nothing more than a romantic notion.

Recently though Brexit and Covid have changed that - the DUP and Arlene Foster have toned down their rhetoric, they realise they were duped (hahah punny) by the Tories and they have been left to fend for themselves. As well as that the less militant, younger protestants, who have grown up with peace and no border, would prefer reunification to a border and a return to violence.

So, with that in mind, if there was a border poll tomorrow, I'd probably vote in favour of reunification. At this stage it's just a matter of when, not if. Brexit, and ironically the DUP (supporting the Tories Brexit proposals) have guaranteed reunification.
 
2021-01-22 12:11:49 PM  

Paddy: Cormee: Darwins Point-ed Stick: luckyeddie: Hang about. If the EU is not a 'proper country' but an 'international organisation' comprising of 27 separate countries, what the hell is the United Kingdom? The last time I checked, it was an international organisation comprising of four separate countries.

*soon to be three.....Scotland is on its way out.

/maybe 2 if Northern Island has had enough...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politi​cs/north-slowly-becoming-part-of-unite​d-ireland-says-former-british-chancell​or-1.4463045

Interesting read

So what's the south generally thinking about reunion? I heard the north is rather poor and rundown and politically it would be difficult, too, to put these two parts back together.
Does Ireland feel ready for it?


The North (and the South too) have had an incredible economic boom since Good Friday. That's why the Irish border part of Brexit was so crucial. No one wants to see the Catholics and Protestants start fighting again.  With the EU Ireland was almost reunited already.
 
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