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(The Hill)   John Ossof was sworn in as a Senator from Georgia using the Hebrew bible recovered from an Atlanta synagogue that was firebombed by white supremacists in 1958 because its rabbi was allied with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. It IS getting better   (thehill.com) divider line
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2021-01-21 3:49:16 PM  
Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?
 
2021-01-21 3:51:44 PM  

spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?


I think so.
 
2021-01-21 3:51:54 PM  
It is.

Oh, the Klan used dynamite, not molotovs.
 
2021-01-21 3:52:19 PM  
a Hebrew bible is the same as a regular bible but without pork or shellfish
 
2021-01-21 3:54:34 PM  

spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?


It is to us goyim I guess.
 
2021-01-21 3:57:26 PM  
I'm still absolutely stunned that he won. I had a good feeling Warnock would do it... but Ossoff?

Amazingly fantastic.
 
2021-01-21 4:04:17 PM  

pxlboy: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

I think so.


Are you sure? Because that's a BFD, if true. A synagogue's Torah is regarded as the living word of God. If it's damaged or desecrated, it gets its own funeral. They don't just loan them out to people for nothing. Every one is copied by hand using ancient rituals and techniques and they cost a LOT to replace.

That might not be true for all denominations, but I know it's true for some.
 
2021-01-21 4:04:28 PM  

spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?


They're probably using the term Hebrew Bible so that people don't assume he was holding big-ass scrolls while swearing in. For example Torah conjures an image like this:
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Whereas Ossoff swore in on a bound book:
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2021-01-21 4:08:04 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

They're probably using the term Hebrew Bible so that people don't assume he was holding big-ass scrolls while swearing in. For example Torah conjures an image like this:
[Fark user image 608x342]

Whereas Ossoff swore in on a bound book:
[imagesvc.meredithcorp.io image 850x566]


yeah, that's not a Torah. Judaism actually has multiple holy books, not one bible like Christians (excluding LDS).
 
2021-01-21 4:08:38 PM  

spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?


It can be, but I believe the word "Torah" can also be interpreted to mean the collective entirety of Jewish religious writings (not just the part of the bible that Christians call "the Old Testament"), as well as the handwritten scrolls kept in the temple/synagogue containing those words and used for various religious observances, like this:

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2021-01-21 4:08:48 PM  
Both Georgia senators are Democrats.

Neither is a white supremacist.

That combination has not ever occured before.

We continue forward. Progress never truly stops.
 
2021-01-21 4:11:33 PM  
The Temple bombing was also part of the movie Driving Miss Daisy.

This story about The Temple, Rabbi Rothschild, and the bombing is worth the 11+ minutes:

The Temple Bombing
Youtube YJIph6B8Hk4
 
2021-01-21 4:13:54 PM  

wejash: Both Georgia senators are Democrats.

Neither is a white supremacist.

That combination has not ever occured before.

We continue forward. Progress never truly stops.


Not only not white supremacists, but one African-American and one Jew.  Though one of them is also the first Millennial senator, so a couple of steps forward and one step back, I guess!
 
2021-01-21 4:17:31 PM  

spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?


About as much as the Bible is the Christian Koran.
 
2021-01-21 4:19:11 PM  

gilgigamesh: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

About as much as the Bible is the Christian Koran.


Calling Christian Koran as my band name
 
2021-01-21 4:24:24 PM  
Allison and flag keep it 0-0
 
2021-01-21 4:24:46 PM  

whither_apophis: Allison and flag keep it 0-0


doh!
 
2021-01-21 4:26:36 PM  
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2021-01-21 4:27:04 PM  

spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?


I'm not jewish but the difference as explained to be is that a Hebrew Bible and a Torah contain the same scriptures but, at least in Orthodox tradition, a Torah must be handwritten on a lambskin scroll, and it it itself a sacred object...In a spiritual sense a Torah is not an object put a living being, the ornaments it is decorated with are a version of the Ephod and breastplate worn by the temple priests.

They would loan out a Bible but never a Torah
 
2021-01-21 4:46:39 PM  
It may be getting better but it would be really great if we could dispense with swearing on a bible bullshiat altogether.
 
2021-01-21 4:47:41 PM  
This is good, and yes it is, but this is a symbolic of progress not progress itself. Keep doing the hard work, GA (and all of us). I believe in us.
 
2021-01-21 4:47:54 PM  

Cyberluddite: wejash: Both Georgia senators are Democrats.

Neither is a white supremacist.

That combination has not ever occured before.

We continue forward. Progress never truly stops.

Not only not white supremacists, but one African-American and one Jew.  Though one of them is also the first Millennial senator, so a couple of steps forward and one step back, I guess!


It's ironic how much Boomers in particular bray about "ageism."
 
2021-01-21 4:48:27 PM  
Things like this are why I still have hope for us.
 
2021-01-21 4:48:52 PM  

spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?


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IDK why anyone swears on a Bible if putting your hand on a Thora is an option
 
2021-01-21 4:49:45 PM  

Karma Chameleon: It may be getting better but it would be really great if we could dispense with swearing on a bible bullshiat altogether.


This.  Irreligious people are around a quarter of this country, yet there are practically zero of them in Congress.  All because religious people hate atheists.
 
2021-01-21 4:50:50 PM  
It's sad that that many of the ancient Torah scrolls that were buried before WWII and then recovered have lost their place for being too damaged physically and formally to be used in services.  They are enshrined however in many synagogues.


This book has the spiritual travel stickers we need for the next era.
 
2021-01-21 4:51:05 PM  
Reading that tome bewstows Wis +1, Cha +1. Does not give bonuses to Lawful Evil or Lawful Neutral characters.
 
2021-01-21 4:51:29 PM  

Karma Chameleon: It may be getting better but it would be really great if we could dispense with swearing on a bible bullshiat altogether.


Seems like you prefer swearing at a Bible.
 
2021-01-21 4:51:41 PM  

moothemagiccow: a Hebrew bible is the same as a regular bible but without pork or shellfish


iat also doesn't mind hanging out with regular bibles when doing so pisses off the Hebrew bible's mother.
 
2021-01-21 4:52:39 PM  

Outshined_One: moothemagiccow: a Hebrew bible is the same as a regular bible but without pork or shellfish

iat also doesn't mind hanging out with regular bibles when doing so pisses off the Hebrew bible's mother.


Ha!  That's an unexpected filterpwn.

/It's a biatcheeky
 
2021-01-21 4:52:52 PM  
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2021-01-21 4:53:33 PM  
As an atheist, I have wondered what I might use for a swearing-in (or affirmation). Maybe my freshman calculus book.

For our wedding, we had our friend who was a legally-ordained minister read his notes tucked inside a 100-year-old+ textbook that had been a birthday gift from the year we met.
 
2021-01-21 4:54:01 PM  

Ambivalence: pxlboy: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

I think so.

Are you sure? Because that's a BFD, if true. A synagogue's Torah is regarded as the living word of God. If it's damaged or desecrated, it gets its own funeral. They don't just loan them out to people for nothing. Every one is copied by hand using ancient rituals and techniques and they cost a LOT to replace.

That might not be true for all denominations, but I know it's true for some.


A printed Torah is not the same as the 5 hand-copied, enormous scrolls.
 
2021-01-21 4:54:47 PM  

austerity101: Karma Chameleon: It may be getting better but it would be really great if we could dispense with swearing on a bible bullshiat altogether.

This.  Irreligious people are around a quarter of this country, yet there are practically zero of them in Congress.  All because religious people hate atheists.


If I ever get elected to anything (HA, yeah that's not gonna happen) I'm going to be sworn in on a copy of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
 
2021-01-21 4:55:12 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

They're probably using the term Hebrew Bible so that people don't assume he was holding big-ass scrolls while swearing in. For example Torah conjures an image like this:
[Fark user image 608x342]

Whereas Ossoff swore in on a bound book:
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Open question: I don't know a lot about Hebrew ceremony, but I wonder if that's kind of like the Hebrew equivalent of a Catholic missal? Is that a thing?
 
2021-01-21 4:55:42 PM  

whither_apophis: [external-content.duckduckgo.com image 350x487]


I see your film and raise you...

Tora! Tora! (2015 Remaster)
Youtube iiTQNiiSDCU
 
2021-01-21 4:56:28 PM  

FarkOf40000Years: As an atheist, I have wondered what I might use for a swearing-in (or affirmation). Maybe my freshman calculus book.


I have had a wonder about this as well. I might personally like to use an old copy of Principia, or maybe The Origin of Species if that is unavailable.
 
2021-01-21 4:56:33 PM  

kbronsito: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

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IDK why anyone swears on a Bible if putting your hand on a Thora is an option


Or a Toyah.

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2021-01-21 4:58:16 PM  

spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?


Yes.

But Subby apparently would rather write two words instead of one short one.
 
2021-01-21 5:00:49 PM  

kbronsito: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

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IDK why anyone swears on a Bible if putting your hand on a Thora is an option


OK but I would insist on taking the oath in the official languages of all nations on earth.
 
2021-01-21 5:01:42 PM  
What Ossif used was the Tanakh. The Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) has 3 main parts-- the Torah, the Nebim (prophets), and the Kethubim (writings). The Protestant bible's have the same books but are organized differently following Judges; Catholic Bibles have the same books but include several additional ones not recognized by Judaism and Protestantism.
 
2021-01-21 5:02:45 PM  

Gawdzila: FarkOf40000Years: As an atheist, I have wondered what I might use for a swearing-in (or affirmation). Maybe my freshman calculus book.

I have had a wonder about this as well. I might personally like to use an old copy of Principia, or maybe The Origin of Species if that is unavailable.


I'd probably go with Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World.
 
2021-01-21 5:03:05 PM  

austerity101: Karma Chameleon: It may be getting better but it would be really great if we could dispense with swearing on a bible bullshiat altogether.

This.  Irreligious people are around a quarter of this country, yet there are practically zero of them in Congress.  All because religious people hate atheists.


You can be sworn in on anything. It doesn't matter if it's a religious text or not.

Personally, I want to see someone be sworn in on the owner's manual for 1972 pea green Kenmore kitchen appliances!
 
2021-01-21 5:04:51 PM  

FarkOf40000Years: As an atheist, I have wondered what I might use for a swearing-in (or affirmation). Maybe my freshman calculus book.

For our wedding, we had our friend who was a legally-ordained minister read his notes tucked inside a 100-year-old+ textbook that had been a birthday gift from the year we met.


If I'm ever swarn in. The choice would be easy. "On The Origin of Species" by Chuck D.
 
2021-01-21 5:05:04 PM  

FriarReb98: AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

They're probably using the term Hebrew Bible so that people don't assume he was holding big-ass scrolls while swearing in. For example Torah conjures an image like this:
[Fark user image 608x342]

Whereas Ossoff swore in on a bound book:
[imagesvc.meredithcorp.io image 850x566]

Open question: I don't know a lot about Hebrew ceremony, but I wonder if that's kind of like the Hebrew equivalent of a Catholic missal? Is that a thing?


The Torah is by definition simply the first five books of the Bible. Some Torah scrolls may have additional stuff, too. The Hebrew Bible includes the Torah plus other books.
 
2021-01-21 5:05:09 PM  

Karma Chameleon: It may be getting better but it would be really great if we could dispense with swearing on a bible bullshiat altogether.


George Carlin - Swearing on the bible
Youtube aQXvGj6ma68
 
2021-01-21 5:07:34 PM  

spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?


No. The Hebrew Bible is also called the Tanakh, which has the 5 books of Moses (the Torah), the books of the prophets (the Nevi'im), and writings (Ketuvim). Tanakh is an acronym for those parts. Some people might refer to it as the Old Testament, but I can't comment on whether the books are the same or whether that's sensitive to the differences between the faiths.
 
2021-01-21 5:09:04 PM  
There is probably nothing more terrifying to a bigoted conservative than black people, Jews, Muslims and other minorities supporting each other and playing from the same playbook.  I recall Jewish people protesting the Muslim ban at a New York airport and it warmed my heart.

Combine this with tolerant/progressive white people and the bigots are truly f$cked.
 
2021-01-21 5:09:36 PM  

FriarReb98: AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

They're probably using the term Hebrew Bible so that people don't assume he was holding big-ass scrolls while swearing in. For example Torah conjures an image like this:
[Fark user image 608x342]

Whereas Ossoff swore in on a bound book:
[imagesvc.meredithcorp.io image 850x566]

Open question: I don't know a lot about Hebrew ceremony, but I wonder if that's kind of like the Hebrew equivalent of a Catholic missal? Is that a thing?


The Jewish equivalent to the Catholic missal is called the Siddur, which is a separate text altogether from the Tanak (Jewish Bible).
 
2021-01-21 5:11:50 PM  

GlamrLama: FarkOf40000Years: As an atheist, I have wondered what I might use for a swearing-in (or affirmation). Maybe my freshman calculus book.

For our wedding, we had our friend who was a legally-ordained minister read his notes tucked inside a 100-year-old+ textbook that had been a birthday gift from the year we met.

If I'm ever swarn in. The choice would be easy. "On The Origin of Species" by Chuck D.


For me it would be a stack of receipts from the neighborhood hooters.
 
2021-01-21 5:12:46 PM  
I will be happier when no religion is referenced and no religious trappings are being used by our elected representatives. We are supposed to have a secular government; they should respect that by leaving religion out of all official government proceedings.
 
2021-01-21 5:14:25 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: FriarReb98: AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

They're probably using the term Hebrew Bible so that people don't assume he was holding big-ass scrolls while swearing in. For example Torah conjures an image like this:
[Fark user image 608x342]

Whereas Ossoff swore in on a bound book:
[imagesvc.meredithcorp.io image 850x566]

Open question: I don't know a lot about Hebrew ceremony, but I wonder if that's kind of like the Hebrew equivalent of a Catholic missal? Is that a thing?

The Torah is by definition simply the first five books of the Bible. Some Torah scrolls may have additional stuff, too. The Hebrew Bible includes the Torah plus other books.


Torah scrolls do not have "additional stuff" from the Torah of the Tanakh, you נאד נפוח
 
2021-01-21 5:17:39 PM  

kbronsito: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

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IDK why anyone swears on a Bible if putting your hand on a Thora is an option


I
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2021-01-21 5:18:42 PM  

FarkOf40000Years: As an atheist, I have wondered what I might use for a swearing-in (or affirmation). Maybe my freshman calculus book.


You could always use a checkbook.  At one point that was the most valuable book in the house.

(A checkbook was a pad of paper that people wrote names and amounts and money was sent from the account of the writer to the account of the named person)
 
2021-01-21 5:18:57 PM  

sozelle: AdmirableSnackbar: FriarReb98: AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

They're probably using the term Hebrew Bible so that people don't assume he was holding big-ass scrolls while swearing in. For example Torah conjures an image like this:
[Fark user image 608x342]

Whereas Ossoff swore in on a bound book:
[imagesvc.meredithcorp.io image 850x566]

Open question: I don't know a lot about Hebrew ceremony, but I wonder if that's kind of like the Hebrew equivalent of a Catholic missal? Is that a thing?

The Torah is by definition simply the first five books of the Bible. Some Torah scrolls may have additional stuff, too. The Hebrew Bible includes the Torah plus other books.

Torah scrolls do not have "additional stuff" from the Torah of the Tanakh, you נאד נפוח


See, you try to avoid dickbag pedants by searching the internet to make sure that Torah scrolls aren't all just the Torah and a pedant decides to be an ass about it anyway.
 
2021-01-21 5:24:19 PM  
Being multicultural, as an article of our Charter in Canada, there are numerous holy books in courtrooms. My favourite oath that I saw someone take was made on a Baghavad Gita, but now I forget the goddess who was invoked. It was a bit more ornate than others.

I've seen people take their oath seriously based on the book. One person was confident and loquacious until a clerk produced a specific Chinese reilgious text for her to swear on; and then, after a moment of surprise, she completely changed her demeanour to serious and careful.

I think there is a level at which inclusivity is actually important, because for some people it means, we take what you say seriously, here. Might not be a religious symbol as much as a cultural one. It also helps when grandparent-aged family members are sitting in the gallery, fwiw.
 
2021-01-21 5:26:30 PM  

Unobtanium: The Temple bombing was also part of the movie Driving Miss Daisy.

This story about The Temple, Rabbi Rothschild, and the bombing is worth the 11+ minutes:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/YJIph6B8​Hk4]


The Play.

/ Yes, I'm being pedantic
// But origins are important
 
2021-01-21 5:27:36 PM  
When I'm sworn in to the Senate I think I'll go with

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Some Mistakes of Moses would also be suitable.
 
2021-01-21 5:30:39 PM  

sozelle: AdmirableSnackbar: FriarReb98: AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

They're probably using the term Hebrew Bible so that people don't assume he was holding big-ass scrolls while swearing in. For example Torah conjures an image like this:
[Fark user image 608x342]

Whereas Ossoff swore in on a bound book:
[imagesvc.meredithcorp.io image 850x566]

Open question: I don't know a lot about Hebrew ceremony, but I wonder if that's kind of like the Hebrew equivalent of a Catholic missal? Is that a thing?

The Torah is by definition simply the first five books of the Bible. Some Torah scrolls may have additional stuff, too. The Hebrew Bible includes the Torah plus other books.

Torah scrolls do not have "additional stuff" from the Torah of the Tanakh, you נאד נפוח


Yes, some do and they're all a bit different: recipes, jokes, a space for writing addresses, farming and homemaking tips, children's sections, ideas for plays too expensive to produce at the time of writing but in hopes that future generations will be able to put on the performances ... it's all quite fascinating.
 
2021-01-21 5:31:08 PM  

Befuddled: I will be happier when no religion is referenced and no religious trappings are being used by our elected representatives. We are supposed to have a secular government; they should respect that by leaving religion out of all official government proceedings.


Eh, I'm an atheist but I don't actually care much about this.  Swearing in is an official ceremony, yes, but it is also personal to the representative and it doesn't do anything concrete to establish any particular religion.  As was noted, you can actually swear in on anything, and it is fitting if someone representing, say, a heavily Jewish or Muslim district can swear in using an article that represents a part of who they are and where they come from.  One can simultaneously support secularism and be religious.  This used to be the norm until Christians felt threatened by it.  One could even argue that having such an an induction ceremony involving lots of different religious and non-religious texts for different people could even encourage multicultural attitudes as opposed to complete assimilation.
 
2021-01-21 5:36:40 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I'm still absolutely stunned that he won. I had a good feeling Warnock would do it... but Ossoff?

Amazingly fantastic.


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Same here.  I thought both GOPers were corrupt crappy hypocrites, but Loeffler was the more repugnant one.  I thought she would lose but Purdue would eke our the narrowest of wins.  Very happy Ossoff pulled the upset, and he got the 6 year term.  Warnock only got 2 years, but I'm hoping he makes a lot of good waves in the Senate so that it's not even close next time.
 
2021-01-21 5:38:44 PM  
Fix the headline. It's Jon (probably short for Jonathan) not John.
 
2021-01-21 6:13:37 PM  

Cyberluddite: wejash: Both Georgia senators are Democrats.

Neither is a white supremacist.

That combination has not ever occured before.

We continue forward. Progress never truly stops.

Not only not white supremacists, but one African-American and one Jew.  Though one of them is also the first Millennial senator, so a couple of steps forward and one step back, I guess!


And THIS is how you get revenge against white supremacy!
 
2021-01-21 6:43:43 PM  

austerity101: Karma Chameleon: It may be getting better but it would be really great if we could dispense with swearing on a bible bullshiat altogether.

This.  Irreligious people are around a quarter of this country, yet there are practically zero of them in Congress.  All because religious people hate atheists.


We just had an irreligious president. How did you like it?
 
2021-01-21 6:44:07 PM  

Another Government Employee: It is.

Oh, the Klan used dynamite, not molotovs.


And there were certainly no Mazel Tovs.
 
2021-01-21 6:46:06 PM  

FriarReb98: AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?

They're probably using the term Hebrew Bible so that people don't assume he was holding big-ass scrolls while swearing in. For example Torah conjures an image like this:
[Fark user image 608x342]

Whereas Ossoff swore in on a bound book:
[imagesvc.meredithcorp.io image 850x566]

Open question: I don't know a lot about Hebrew ceremony, but I wonder if that's kind of like the Hebrew equivalent of a Catholic missal? Is that a thing?


It's the Old Testament.
 
2021-01-21 7:16:43 PM  
I figure that swearing an oath on a copy of tje Constitution should be enough
 
2021-01-21 8:23:54 PM  

spongeboob: Is a Hebrew Bible the same as a Torah?


No it isn't. The Hebrew Bible is known as the Tanakh and consists of several parts

The Torah is the first 5 books and is also known as The Teaching of the Law or The 5 Books of Moses.

Another part consists of the prophets (Joshua, Judges, Ezekiel, etc).

The final part is the songs and consists of Psalms, Proverbs, Ruth, Ecclesiastes, etc..

Basically the Hebrew Bible is the Christian Old Testament but arranged differently.
 
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