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(CNN)   " A person is considered dependent on weed when they feel food cravings or a lack of appetite,...after quitting." Appreciate, just for a moment, the either/or totality and automatic Win of that statement   (cnn.com) divider line
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2021-01-21 9:45:58 AM  
So what kind of addict am I if I feel food cravings, or are not hungry, if I DON'T smoke weed?

Hey, anti-weed people? Stupid shiat like this is why you can't have nice things.
 
2021-01-21 9:46:10 AM  
Obviously they must consume huge amounts of alcohol to offset this stuff.
 
2021-01-21 9:49:30 AM  
Tautologies make for lousy diagnostic criteria.
 
2021-01-21 9:50:34 AM  
Opioids are safe as milk though, that's what old people and doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies tell me.
 
2021-01-21 9:54:29 AM  
/bong rip
//not hungry
///I could eat
 
2021-01-21 9:55:13 AM  
So I'll have appetite...or I won't? That's some freaking SCIENCE right there.
 
2021-01-21 9:56:16 AM  

Harlee: So what kind of addict am I if I feel food cravings, or are not hungry, if I DON'T smoke weed?

Hey, anti-weed people? Stupid shiat like this is why you can't have nice things.


Carb addict. Most spontaneous food cravings are sugar or carb based cravings because they trigger the release of serotonin and dopamine in the brain.
 
2021-01-21 9:59:17 AM  
If you quit something, you are no longer dependent upon it.
 
2021-01-21 10:02:18 AM  
Wow, haven't seen one of these articles in a long time. I particularly like the photo caption that informs us that the potency of marijuana is vastly more potent (i.e., deadly) than it was in the 1970s. Pity they couldn't work that critical warning into the body of the article itself. Also fascinating is that this little blurb, which addresses the research being referenced:

"It doesn't prove that using cannabis causes depression or self-harm, but also doesn't definitively refute it," said Gonzalez, an assistant professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at the University of Minnesota Medical School.

doesn't appear until the very end.

Just remember that after you smoke a bowl, it's critically important that you only *sip* the bong water, not gulp it. Bong water retains very high levels of THC, so while consuming it is an important part of spiking your high and also decreasing side effects such as cotton mouth, you don't want to overdo it. A few tablespoons at a time, and generally no more than 3 within in an hour. Think of it like consuming edibles on top of the smoke. You gotta know how much you're taking in. Also, one way to deal with those so-called "munchies" is to actually protein the bong water as you consume it. Crush up some crackers, bits of bacon, whatever you have on hand.
 
2021-01-21 10:05:14 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Just remember that after you smoke a bowl, it's critically important that you only *sip* the bong water, not gulp it


I like to alternate with sips of Jenkem, to keep myself from drinking it all at once.  It's just so damn tasty.
 
2021-01-21 10:06:44 AM  
we need to educate parents and kids that there are risks involved, particularly with heavy and high potency cannabis use,"

Lucky kids.  We only had ditchweed in my day.
 
2021-01-21 10:07:32 AM  

Combustion: So I'll have appetite...or I won't? That's some freaking SCIENCE right there.


Surprised it took this many posts for someone to state this.
 
2021-01-21 10:09:18 AM  
I'll stick with the test of whether or not a person has ever sucked dick for it, thanks.
 
2021-01-21 10:11:33 AM  
Lots of defensive posters in this thread today.

A hit dog will yelp.
 
2021-01-21 10:12:24 AM  
Oh well that says it all. Just don't stop smoking weed. Problem solved.
 
2021-01-21 10:12:54 AM  
Fearmongering weed in 2021?
Really?!? fark off, CNN.
 
2021-01-21 10:13:29 AM  
What about all the freaks popping Xanax like candy because their headshrinker diagnosed them with "anxiety".
 
2021-01-21 10:14:16 AM  
And yet you can cold turkey stop weed any time you want, with no cravings at all


Somehow that flies in the face of the definition of an addiction
 
2021-01-21 10:14:47 AM  
Don't drink bong water, kids.
 
2021-01-21 10:15:59 AM  
Hungry?  YOU'LL BE DEAD!!!!
 
2021-01-21 10:16:19 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Just remember that after you smoke a bowl, it's critically important that you only *sip* the bong water, not gulp it. Bong water retains very high levels of THC, so while consuming it is an important part of spiking your high and also decreasing side effects such as cotton mouth, you don't want to overdo it.


I've been doing it wrong.

[TRIES POCKET NINJA'S METHOD, THROWS UP]

Apparently, I did that wrong, as well.
 
2021-01-21 10:17:28 AM  
How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!
 
2021-01-21 10:19:13 AM  
Schrödinger's addiction.
 
2021-01-21 10:19:22 AM  

Chinesenookiefactory: How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!


Wow.  You really are bad at this.
 
2021-01-21 10:20:11 AM  
Implies you're not dependent if you never quit.

Maybe go back to the beginning and start over.
 
2021-01-21 10:21:24 AM  
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2021-01-21 10:22:11 AM  

Jake Havechek: What about all the freaks popping Xanax like candy because their headshrinker diagnosed them with "anxiety".


A shrink prescribed Xanax for me back in the day. It sure helped with anxiety, but I stopped using it very quickly. I liked the feeling it gave me WAY too much and I could easily see myself overusing it. No benzos for me, thanks.
 
2021-01-21 10:22:21 AM  
I watched a stoner eat an entire bag of barbecue Funyuns. This is my dream; this is my nightmare. Gnawing, chomping, through an entire bag of barbecue Funyuns, and surviving.

The horror...the horror.
 
2021-01-21 10:22:25 AM  
I smoked a cigarette last week.  First one in years.

I was immediately sick.  Didn't even get that fun head rush/buzz.  Just went right to sweaty and nauseous.  Ever get so queasy that you poop instead of puking?  I don't recommend that.  I eventually passed out and felt like crap the next few days.

I can smoke an eighth of weed in a sitting.  But one cigarette put me down for days.
 
2021-01-21 10:23:01 AM  
I was suicidal as a teen. And. I'm sure weed is why I stopped being suicidal during my teens.

ALSO.
I think If I had had weed in my 20s I would have not started doing cocaine.
Maybe.
All I know is beer is enough now a days.
 
2021-01-21 10:23:03 AM  
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2021-01-21 10:23:25 AM  

Harlee: So what kind of addict am I if I feel food cravings, or are not hungry, if I DON'T smoke weed?

Hey, anti-weed people? Stupid shiat like this is why you can't have nice things.


What do you expect them to do? Actually confront the fact that they have lied and grossly overstated the dangers of marijuana for decades?!?

Do you know how yucky that will make them feel?!

YUCKY!
 
2021-01-21 10:24:35 AM  
I took my first bong hit at 5am. I will do my last right before I go to bed. I will do many in between all day and all night long. I do this every single day and have for many years. It's like Popeye's spinach to me. No problems to report. So far so good.
 
2021-01-21 10:24:42 AM  
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2021-01-21 10:25:10 AM  

darwinpolice: Jake Havechek: What about all the freaks popping Xanax like candy because their headshrinker diagnosed them with "anxiety".

A shrink prescribed Xanax for me back in the day. It sure helped with anxiety, but I stopped using it very quickly. I liked the feeling it gave me WAY too much and I could easily see myself overusing it. No benzos for me, thanks.


Xanax doesn't work for me in that it doesn't get rid of the anxiety, but just intoxicates me so that my normal filters get removed. So I was still anxious/ depressed, but now I'm mouthy.
 
2021-01-21 10:25:58 AM  
In before someone mentions Carl Sagan to justify getting high all day.
 
2021-01-21 10:26:36 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Just remember that after you smoke a bowl, it's critically important that you only *sip* the bong water, not gulp it.


You sound like a lightweight.  I fill my bong with Everclear, smoke a fat sack through it, then do shots of bong"water".
 
2021-01-21 10:27:36 AM  
Get ready for the fear mongering articles, so they can make excuses for why the Biden administration won't end the Federal prohibition of marijuana after all.
 
2021-01-21 10:28:10 AM  
as expected all the fault of das evill marijuanas
 
2021-01-21 10:29:03 AM  
All this talk about weed is making me have withdrawals. 

///turns on enail.
 
2021-01-21 10:29:29 AM  
Why is it that you can make fun of pot smokers but not alcoholics on this site?
 
2021-01-21 10:30:30 AM  

Jake Havechek: Why is it that you can make fun of pot smokers but not alcoholics on this site?


Alcoholics are Farks target demographic. Cant upset the base.
 
2021-01-21 10:30:32 AM  

Diogenes: Tautologies make for lousy diagnostic criteria.


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2021-01-21 10:31:18 AM  
Winners never quit and quitters never win, so never quit smoking pot kids.
 
2021-01-21 10:35:25 AM  

Jake Havechek: Opioids are safe as milk though, that's what old people and doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies tell me.


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2021-01-21 10:35:58 AM  
So, subby, do you think that only one of anorexia and bulimia can exist as an eating disorder? Do you think that only one of hypothermia and hyperthermia matters? That it has to be mania or depression, not both?
 
2021-01-21 10:36:35 AM  
Science, Facts, Logic:

If the first bowl is good enough, you'll forget to light that second one you just packed.

Therefore, smoking weed makes you not smoke weed.

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2021-01-21 10:39:12 AM  
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/decades
 
2021-01-21 10:39:22 AM  

Chinesenookiefactory: How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!


Whenever one of these threads comes up, full of Farkers insisting that cannabis use must never be criticised (for the record I think it should be legal) and how it helps them with their vague symptoms of something or other, I remember that ten years ago Farm was full of Farkers furiously defending oxycontin and other opioids as essential treatments for the vague aches and pains they imagined they would otherwise have.
 
2021-01-21 10:42:54 AM  

lifeslammer: And yet you can cold turkey stop weed any time you want, with no cravings at all


Ackshuallllyyyy.......

Forget cravings; there are many well known withdrawal effects from heavy usage (the super high THC / low CBD stuff that is so common these days). Appetite: farked. Sleeping: farked; lots of night sweats; if you really push it you can get CHS (Cannabinoid Hyperemisis Syndrome) which is very rare but involves cyclic vomiting, and a sensitivity to THC that pretty much makes you never able to use it again.

Look I use the stuff every day - mostly CBD and delta-8 THC - not all cannabis is the same. But people who spend their day sucking on vape pens with 80% THC - you're gonna have withdrawal if you stop cold turkey and your tolerance is going to be heroic and that is not a good thing. That's just life and it's a hell of a lot different than the 'cravings and withdrawal' you get from quitting your Mexican brick weed habit from the mid 1990s.

I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless. Yes, decades of refer madness bullshiat have poisoned the well. Let the scientists figure it out, we typically are good that that kind of thing. What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

And against my better judgment I'll refer to a reddit site where you can see how people really are suffering from their cannabis abuse: r/leaves
 
2021-01-21 10:44:01 AM  

Chinesenookiefactory: How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!


Dude, I hate to break it to you, but we've been spoiled by cannabevits and expect a much higher standard of, let's call it "alternative opining".
 
2021-01-21 10:44:33 AM  

orbister: Chinesenookiefactory: How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!

Whenever one of these threads comes up, full of Farkers insisting that cannabis use must never be criticised (for the record I think it should be legal) and how it helps them with their vague symptoms of something or other, I remember that ten years ago Farm was full of Farkers furiously defending oxycontin and other opioids as essential treatments for the vague aches and pains they imagined they would otherwise have.


Dunno about poisonous pharmaceuticals but weed's effect on creativity and creative process is staggering. I consider it essential.
 
2021-01-21 10:45:29 AM  

Rapmaster2000: we need to educate parents and kids that there are risks involved, particularly with heavy and high potency cannabis use,"

Lucky kids.  We only had ditchweed in my day.


I'll take it over the ametuer-grade crap being peddled now. Not even joking, I've never been couch-locked from that "legal shiat" no matter how much I smoke. Munchies are super-rare too.

/anyone else here have even less of an appetite after smoking?
 
2021-01-21 10:47:09 AM  
Entire quote from TFA that submitter butchered:   "A person is considered dependent on weed when they feel food cravings or a lack of appetite, irritability, restlessness and mood and sleep difficulties after quitting, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse."

Jake Havechek: Opioids are safe as milk though, that's what old people and doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies tell me.


If you're arguing that weed is safer than opioids, I'd tend to concur with you.  That's kind of a low bar to set, though.
 
2021-01-21 10:47:36 AM  

orbister: I remember that ten years ago Farm was full of Farkers furiously defending oxycontin


I don't remember that at all.  I was high at the time.
 
2021-01-21 10:47:38 AM  

orbister: Chinesenookiefactory: How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!

Whenever one of these threads comes up, full of Farkers insisting that cannabis use must never be criticised (for the record I think it should be legal) and how it helps them with their vague symptoms of something or other, I remember that ten years ago Farm was full of Farkers furiously defending oxycontin and other opioids as essential treatments for the vague aches and pains they imagined they would otherwise have.


Eh, medical marijuana has always mostly been a bunch of bullshiat, but pot's always been a much safer, and frankly less exciting, drug than its detractors like to pretend.
 
2021-01-21 10:48:39 AM  

orbister: Chinesenookiefactory: How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!

Whenever one of these threads comes up, full of Farkers insisting that cannabis use must never be criticised (for the record I think it should be legal) and how it helps them with their vague symptoms of something or other, I remember that ten years ago Farm was full of Farkers furiously defending oxycontin and other opioids as essential treatments for the vague aches and pains they imagined they would otherwise have.


That's a farking lie.  It was discovered early on that oxycontin could be chopped up and snorted as "hillbilly heroin".  The only assholes that claimed it was harmless was crooked doctors and pharmaceutical companies.
 
2021-01-21 10:49:12 AM  

Jake Havechek: Why is it that you can make fun of pot smokers but not alcoholics on this site?



You haven't been on FARK long, the alcoholics here make fun of themselves.
 
2021-01-21 10:49:41 AM  
way-duh-minnut... borit *is* Subby!?
 
2021-01-21 10:49:58 AM  

tirob: Entire quote from TFA that submitter butchered:   "A person is considered dependent on weed when they feel food cravings or a lack of appetite, irritability, restlessness and mood and sleep difficulties after quitting, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse."

Jake Havechek: Opioids are safe as milk though, that's what old people and doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies tell me.

If you're arguing that weed is safer than opioids, I'd tend to concur with you.  That's kind of a low bar to set, though.


Yes I am arguing with that, and don't post to me, you're a tiresome bore and barely educated.
 
2021-01-21 10:50:23 AM  

Heliodorus: Jake Havechek: Why is it that you can make fun of pot smokers but not alcoholics on this site?


You haven't been on FARK long, the alcoholics here make fun of themselves.


Yup.  Even those of us in recovery.

/drucking funks.
 
2021-01-21 10:50:31 AM  
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2021-01-21 10:50:31 AM  

b0rscht: What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).


This. Right here. Practically everything recreational is maximizing THC without any care about the others. Amateurs.
 
2021-01-21 10:51:25 AM  

Promo Sapien: Pocket Ninja: Just remember that after you smoke a bowl, it's critically important that you only *sip* the bong water, not gulp it. Bong water retains very high levels of THC, so while consuming it is an important part of spiking your high and also decreasing side effects such as cotton mouth, you don't want to overdo it.

I've been doing it wrong.

[TRIES POCKET NINJA'S METHOD, THROWS UP]

Apparently, I did that wrong, as well.


Bong water enema
 
2021-01-21 10:51:37 AM  
Stibium:

/anyone else here have even less of an appetite after smoking?

I vape but yeah, many strains actually suppress the appetite. I sometimes have the anti-munchies. It's werid. When I was younger I definitely can remember getting the munchies (then again, I was always drinking beer as well).

It's fascinating to me that the endocannabinoid system was only discovered in 1992. Your body makes some wicked strong cannabinoids. Your body wants weed.
 
2021-01-21 10:52:35 AM  
Yo, folks.  tirob is at 202 links approved right now.  Watch it be 203 when the next weed thread is greened.
 
2021-01-21 10:53:03 AM  
Canada here, laughing....(I keed)

Now when I smoke, there is no heart racing paranoia, being y'know, legal and stuff.

But, here is the weird thing.  It's kinda not as fun now.  That was something I did not see coming.

Munchies, same.  The high from legal weed is the same too, although I do spend a bit extra for the good kind.
 
2021-01-21 10:54:26 AM  

Stibium: b0rscht: What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

This. Right here. Practically everything recreational is maximizing THC without any care about the others. Amateurs.


The nice thing is, however, you can go online and buy a friggin pound of nice outdoor grown high CBD hemp for half of what an ounce of high delta-9 THC weed costs in Illinois, and mix it in with the strong stuff to get a bit of that nice entourage and less icepick to the forehead of smoking the "everclear weed" straight.

/I prefer beer weed to everclear weed
 
2021-01-21 10:57:28 AM  
This article is one of the many reasons CNN went from one of my favorite news sources to one that I try to avoid now.

I clicked on it this time because of the fark headline and sure enough, it's choc full of bs.

Don't waste any more time on it. It's just alarmist filler.
 
2021-01-21 10:57:45 AM  

b0rscht: Forget cravings; there are many well known withdrawal effects from heavy usage (the super high THC / low CBD stuff that is so common these days). Appetite: farked. Sleeping: farked; lots of night sweats; if you really push it you can get CHS (Cannabinoid Hyperemisis Syndrome) which is very rare but involves cyclic vomiting, and a sensitivity to THC that pretty much makes you never able to use it again.


So you're saying it's a self-correcting problem?
 
2021-01-21 11:00:32 AM  

BrerRobot: Science, Facts, Logic:

If the first bowl is good enough, you'll forget to light that second one you just packed.

Therefore, smoking weed makes you not smoke weed.

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Except when it makes you forget you already smoked a bowl so you pack and smoke another.

Therefore, smoking weed can either make you smoke weed or make you not smoke weed.
 
2021-01-21 11:04:23 AM  

born_yesterday: darwinpolice: Jake Havechek: What about all the freaks popping Xanax like candy because their headshrinker diagnosed them with "anxiety".

A shrink prescribed Xanax for me back in the day. It sure helped with anxiety, but I stopped using it very quickly. I liked the feeling it gave me WAY too much and I could easily see myself overusing it. No benzos for me, thanks.

Xanax doesn't work for me in that it doesn't get rid of the anxiety, but just intoxicates me so that my normal filters get removed. So I was still anxious/ depressed, but now I'm mouthy.


Exactly. Which makes sense, considering that benzos are similar to alcohol in terms of effect on neurotransmitters.
 
2021-01-21 11:04:25 AM  

SansNeural: way-duh-minnut... borit *is* Subby!?


If the reference is to me, no, I didn't submit this.

Jake Havechek: tirob: Entire quote from TFA that submitter butchered:   "A person is considered dependent on weed when they feel food cravings or a lack of appetite, irritability, restlessness and mood and sleep difficulties after quitting, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse."

Jake Havechek: Opioids are safe as milk though, that's what old people and doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies tell me.

If you're arguing that weed is safer than opioids, I'd tend to concur with you.  That's kind of a low bar to set, though.

Yes I am arguing with that, and don't post to me, you're a tiresome bore and barely educated.


If you persist in posting moronic observations such as the one you just published, you should expect me to reply to them.  I have more education than you think, btw.
 
2021-01-21 11:04:49 AM  
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yeah it's the weed that makes them suicidal
 
2021-01-21 11:04:51 AM  
As it turns out, kids with mental disorders tend to try drugs at a higher rate as a form of self - medication.

Correlation =/= causation.
 
2021-01-21 11:05:07 AM  

ingo: BrerRobot: Science, Facts, Logic:

If the first bowl is good enough, you'll forget to light that second one you just packed.

Therefore, smoking weed makes you not smoke weed.

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Except when it makes you forget you already smoked a bowl so you pack and smoke another.

Therefore, smoking weed can either make you smoke weed or make you not smoke weed.


Not gonna lie, it's an awesome feeling when you suddenly "discover" a fresh bowl.
 
2021-01-21 11:06:26 AM  

Noxious1: Fearmongering weed in 2021?
Really?!? fark off, CNN.


What is sad is that it was CNN, in the person of Sanjay Gupta, who fired the definitive volleys that gave gravitas to the activism to legalize weed. See:
Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why I changed my mind about marijuana
Youtube _0ojs3AFono


Also see YouTube videos "Weed" Parts 1, 2, 3, and 4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdQ2q​4​tWCjw
 
2021-01-21 11:10:11 AM  

Stibium: b0rscht: What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

This. Right here. Practically everything recreational is maximizing THC without any care about the others. Amateurs.


MD lists the cannabinoids and terpines for each strain for sale.  Really helps picking the good weed from bad.  And yeah, it's the 30% THC stuff that sells out first without regards to other considerations.

Michigan does not list them for their recreational and it sucked.  Can't tell good or great from average based on THC alone.
 
2021-01-21 11:10:15 AM  

Chinesenookiefactory: How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!


What WOULD you do it it came out that Trump is a secret total toker?
 
2021-01-21 11:14:34 AM  

orbister: So, subby, do you think that only one of anorexia and bulimia can exist as an eating disorder? Do you think that only one of hypothermia and hyperthermia matters? That it has to be mania or depression, not both?

"masks don't work" & "don't deprive health workers of masks they need"

 
2021-01-21 11:16:14 AM  

orbister: Chinesenookiefactory: How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!

Whenever one of these threads comes up, full of Farkers insisting that cannabis use must never be criticised (for the record I think it should be legal) and how it helps them with their vague symptoms of something or other, I remember that ten years ago Farm was full of Farkers furiously defending oxycontin and other opioids as essential treatments for the vague aches and pains they imagined they would otherwise have.

"masks don't work" & "don't deprive health workers of masks they need"

 
2021-01-21 11:19:15 AM  

b0rscht: lifeslammer: And yet you can cold turkey stop weed any time you want, with no cravings at all

Ackshuallllyyyy.......

Forget cravings; there are many well known withdrawal effects from heavy usage (the super high THC / low CBD stuff that is so common these days). Appetite: farked. Sleeping: farked; lots of night sweats; if you really push it you can get CHS (Cannabinoid Hyperemisis Syndrome) which is very rare but involves cyclic vomiting, and a sensitivity to THC that pretty much makes you never able to use it again.

Look I use the stuff every day - mostly CBD and delta-8 THC - not all cannabis is the same. But people who spend their day sucking on vape pens with 80% THC - you're gonna have withdrawal if you stop cold turkey and your tolerance is going to be heroic and that is not a good thing. That's just life and it's a hell of a lot different than the 'cravings and withdrawal' you get from quitting your Mexican brick weed habit from the mid 1990s.

I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless. Yes, decades of refer madness bullshiat have poisoned the well. Let the scientists figure it out, we typically are good that that kind of thing. What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

And against my better judgment I'll refer to a reddit site where you can see how people really are suffering from their cannabis abuse: r/leaves


And yet right before the covid thing all started back in march I had tolerance so high i was vaping a gram in a couple days and only feeling it for a few hours. Had none of the withdrawal you claim exists. The only thing that really happened was letting my brain return to the normal passage of time instead of "holy fark, how have i been sitting here for 5 hours"
 
2021-01-21 11:20:06 AM  

b0rscht: lifeslammer: And yet you can cold turkey stop weed any time you want, with no cravings at all

Ackshuallllyyyy.......

Forget cravings; there are many well known withdrawal effects from heavy usage (the super high THC / low CBD stuff that is so common these days). Appetite: farked. Sleeping: farked; lots of night sweats; if you really push it you can get CHS (Cannabinoid Hyperemisis Syndrome) which is very rare but involves cyclic vomiting, and a sensitivity to THC that pretty much makes you never able to use it again.

Look I use the stuff every day - mostly CBD and delta-8 THC - not all cannabis is the same. But people who spend their day sucking on vape pens with 80% THC - you're gonna have withdrawal if you stop cold turkey and your tolerance is going to be heroic and that is not a good thing. That's just life and it's a hell of a lot different than the 'cravings and withdrawal' you get from quitting your Mexican brick weed habit from the mid 1990s.

I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless. Yes, decades of refer madness bullshiat have poisoned the well. Let the scientists figure it out, we typically are good that that kind of thing. What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

And against my better judgment I'll refer to a reddit site where you can see how people really are suffering from their cannabis abuse: r/leaves


not so csb

I met my spouse when we were in our teens and he was a heavy pot smoker then. After our toddler wandered into the living room carrying a bong sloshing dirty water he decided to quit (plus money was tight and it wasn't legal, etc).  He was a grumpy bastard for months.
Years passed and, hey, our kid discovered weed! The two of them bonded over that.
Shortly after our state legalized medical weed viola! my spouse discovered, thanks to a clinic with a Dr who spent the hour exam discussing his belief in bigfoot, he has an arthritic knee.

He's quite gleeful about it being legal, never dreamed of having a card and an account and a shop that gives him swag and all the newest forms of imbibing. He's there every week and spends freely. He is high all day, every day and vapes in the car and at work.
At home he sits in front of the tv, sound off, for hours. Weekends he hardly moves. Sundays he tends to pick fights over the things *I* haven't gotten done. He's mostly stopped eating and after many years his sleep apnea has returned. He swears this has nothing to do with vaping.

I'm all for legal weed and understand there are plenty of people who use it responsibly and for legitimate reasons.  However, when someone you know changes their entire life and admits there is no way they are going to be able to go even one day a week without it it's hard to agree there is no such thing as weed dependency.

To each their own, I guess.
 
2021-01-21 11:20:44 AM  

darwinpolice: born_yesterday: darwinpolice: Jake Havechek: What about all the freaks popping Xanax like candy because their headshrinker diagnosed them with "anxiety".

A shrink prescribed Xanax for me back in the day. It sure helped with anxiety, but I stopped using it very quickly. I liked the feeling it gave me WAY too much and I could easily see myself overusing it. No benzos for me, thanks.

Xanax doesn't work for me in that it doesn't get rid of the anxiety, but just intoxicates me so that my normal filters get removed. So I was still anxious/ depressed, but now I'm mouthy.

Exactly. Which makes sense, considering that benzos are similar to alcohol in terms of effect on neurotransmitters.


They switched me to an antihistamine that has anti-anxiety effects and is non-addictive.  Because it's non-addictive, my MD will prescribe them freely, rather than getting ten Xanax and being told to space them out over three months (leading to, "is this acute panic attack bad enough to take a Xanax?  Let's panic about it).

And on the bright side, my sinuses stay cleared up and I sleep like a baby.
 
2021-01-21 11:22:04 AM  

tirob: Entire quote from TFA that submitter butchered:   "A person is considered dependent on weed when they feel food cravings or a lack of appetite, irritability, restlessness and mood and sleep difficulties after quitting, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse."

Jake Havechek: Opioids are safe as milk though, that's what old people and doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies tell me.

If you're arguing that weed is safer than opioids, I'd tend to concur with you.  That's kind of a low bar to set, though.


You might want to consult a good English textbook as to the meaning and use of ellipses. What subby did was NOT butcher the quote, but highlight the critical part of it by leaving out the camouflage filler designed to distract the reader from the "heads I win tails you lose" thesis of the paragraph.

Thanks for playing. Took you long enough to get here. I wonder why?
 
2021-01-21 11:25:10 AM  

born_yesterday: Stibium: b0rscht: What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

This. Right here. Practically everything recreational is maximizing THC without any care about the others. Amateurs.

MD lists the cannabinoids and terpines for each strain for sale.  Really helps picking the good weed from bad.  And yeah, it's the 30% THC stuff that sells out first without regards to other considerations.

Michigan does not list them for their recreational and it sucked.  Can't tell good or great from average based on THC alone.


The unfortunate thing is that I'm not in a recreational state, so whatever is out there is whatever you can get, which is likely to be the cheapest crap to pad the profits.

You know, stuff with zero sticky and burns like gasoline-soaked tissue paper. Complete waste of money and the illicit trade is probably the only thing keeping companies that sell it afloat. "Stick it in front of the heater! We got quotas to make!"
 
2021-01-21 11:25:35 AM  

buster_v: Lots of defensive posters in this thread today.

A hit dog will yelp.


So will the stupid dog next door, apparently.

This is another brilliant example of the scientific studies designed to discourage use of this evil drug. These seminal works started with the famous and still indisputable finding that weed will make white women want to bang Negro jazz musicians.

I particularly liked the assertion that weed use can lead to fatal overdoses.  "Unintentional overdoses, suicide and homicide were the three most frequent causes of death,"

Solid scientific work there.
 
2021-01-21 11:28:06 AM  

lifeslammer: b0rscht: lifeslammer: And yet you can cold turkey stop weed any time you want, with no cravings at all

Ackshuallllyyyy.......

Forget cravings; there are many well known withdrawal effects from heavy usage (the super high THC / low CBD stuff that is so common these days). Appetite: farked. Sleeping: farked; lots of night sweats; if you really push it you can get CHS (Cannabinoid Hyperemisis Syndrome) which is very rare but involves cyclic vomiting, and a sensitivity to THC that pretty much makes you never able to use it again.

Look I use the stuff every day - mostly CBD and delta-8 THC - not all cannabis is the same. But people who spend their day sucking on vape pens with 80% THC - you're gonna have withdrawal if you stop cold turkey and your tolerance is going to be heroic and that is not a good thing. That's just life and it's a hell of a lot different than the 'cravings and withdrawal' you get from quitting your Mexican brick weed habit from the mid 1990s.

I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless. Yes, decades of refer madness bullshiat have poisoned the well. Let the scientists figure it out, we typically are good that that kind of thing. What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

And against my better judgment I'll refer to a reddit site where you can see how people really are suffering from their cannabis abuse: r/leaves

And yet right before the covid thing all started back in march I had tolerance so high i was vaping a gram in a couple days


A gram in a couple days? How did you survive such a heroic consumption rate?
 
2021-01-21 11:28:20 AM  

waxbeans: I was suicidal as a teen. And. I'm sure weed is why I stopped being suicidal during my teens.

ALSO.
I think If I had had weed in my 20s I would have not started doing cocaine.
Maybe.
All I know is beer is enough now a days.


Meh, I knew unfortunate amounts of people that smoked pot that also did cocaine. They're not unrelated. I never want to try cocaine, so your klickometers may vary.
 
2021-01-21 11:32:04 AM  

Stibium: ingo: BrerRobot: Science, Facts, Logic:

If the first bowl is good enough, you'll forget to light that second one you just packed.

Therefore, smoking weed makes you not smoke weed.

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Except when it makes you forget you already smoked a bowl so you pack and smoke another.

Therefore, smoking weed can either make you smoke weed or make you not smoke weed.

Not gonna lie, it's an awesome feeling when you suddenly "discover" a fresh bowl.


LOL, that happened to me about a year ago (just before I stopped smoking anything due to Covid). I had two glass pipes and loaded both, since it was the last of the stash. Promptly forgot I'd loaded both and was sad I was out, then discovered the 2nd pipe.
 
2021-01-21 11:33:35 AM  
I've wondered about that. Here at work I often see "cannabis dependence" or "cannabis abuse" in the history and wonder exactly what uptight narc wrote that
 
2021-01-21 11:35:00 AM  
Doing something to excess may be bad for you.
Well I'm shocked.
 
2021-01-21 11:35:05 AM  

mmojo: I took my first bong hit at 5am. I will do my last right before I go to bed. I will do many in between all day and all night long. I do this every single day and have for many years. It's like Popeye's spinach to me. No problems to report. So far so good.


This
 
2021-01-21 11:35:08 AM  

Nurglitch: waxbeans: I was suicidal as a teen. And. I'm sure weed is why I stopped being suicidal during my teens.

ALSO.
I think If I had had weed in my 20s I would have not started doing cocaine.
Maybe.
All I know is beer is enough now a days.

Meh, I knew unfortunate amounts of people that smoked pot that also did cocaine. They're not unrelated. I never want to try cocaine, so your klickometers may vary.


Definitely.

Every once in a while a cigarette will make me able to get up and wash dishes. A pack will last a year. Hell. I've had the same 3 smokes since February of last year. Smoked on last night. The dishes was piling up.

The way I react to different drugs legal and recreational has me convinced I have some kind of chemical imbalance.

Full completely sober makes me feel odd. And then I have a panic attack. AND the really odd thing is sometimes I don't even have to ingest the beer for the panic attack to go away just buying it makes it go away.
 
2021-01-21 11:39:25 AM  

Fano: I've wondered about that. Here at work I often see "cannabis dependence" or "cannabis abuse" in the history and wonder exactly what uptight narc wrote that


Probably someone who missed the era when everyone was doing cocaine and insisting it wasn't addictive or when we were all insisting cigarettes were good for you.

We all hop on board a trend, discover things and adjust our behaviors based on experience and risk.

There is such a thing as cannabis dependence but apparently if it doesn't come with severe physical withdrawal symptoms or a need for detox it doesn't count.

As a culture we have to keep rediscovering "moderation is key".

Some is good rarely means more is even better.
 
2021-01-21 11:40:07 AM  

Harlee: tirob: Entire quote from TFA that submitter butchered:   "A person is considered dependent on weed when they feel food cravings or a lack of appetite, irritability, restlessness and mood and sleep difficulties after quitting, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse."

Jake Havechek: Opioids are safe as milk though, that's what old people and doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies tell me.

If you're arguing that weed is safer than opioids, I'd tend to concur with you.  That's kind of a low bar to set, though.

You might want to consult a good English textbook as to the meaning and use of ellipses. What subby did was NOT butcher the quote, but highlight the critical part of it by leaving out the camouflage filler designed to distract the reader from the "heads I win tails you lose" thesis of the paragraph.


Submitter *removed* the critical part of the quote; leaving the quote intact would have put the balance of it in its context.

In any case, the quote is only tangential to the point of TFA that subby missed, which is that the researchers noted a correlation between heavy weed use by vulnerable young people and bad outcomes including attempts at suicide.

FTFA, and by way of additional evidence:  "Studies in adults show a strong association between overuse of weed and suicide attempts and death. A study of adult same-sex twins found those who were dependent on marijuana were nearly three times more likely to attempt suicide than their twin who was not dependent on weed.

Another study of 1,463 suicides and 7,392 natural deaths in the United States found a link between any use of marijuana by adults and suicide risk after adjusting for alcohol use, depression and use of mental health services. And there was an increased risk of suicide for both men and women who were dependent on marijuana, according to a four-year study of 6,445 Danish adults."

Links to the relevant studies are embedded in TFA.
 
2021-01-21 11:42:42 AM  
I am happy doing only doctor authorized/prescribed medicines including alcohol (none) and medical marijuana. With costs in the past few years coming down, I am able to do about the equivalent of 4.5 ounces of flower a month for around $300. 1 ounce flower to smoke and 0.5 ounce flower to make edibles with both bought at a dispensary for a total of $150, and the equivalent of about 3 ounces of flower in 14 grams of BHO wax which I get off dark markets for 1/6th the dispensary price at $150.
 
2021-01-21 11:43:25 AM  

parasol: b0rscht: lifeslammer: And yet you can cold turkey stop weed any time you want, with no cravings at all

Ackshuallllyyyy.......

Forget cravings; there are many well known withdrawal effects from heavy usage (the super high THC / low CBD stuff that is so common these days). Appetite: farked. Sleeping: farked; lots of night sweats; if you really push it you can get CHS (Cannabinoid Hyperemisis Syndrome) which is very rare but involves cyclic vomiting, and a sensitivity to THC that pretty much makes you never able to use it again.

Look I use the stuff every day - mostly CBD and delta-8 THC - not all cannabis is the same. But people who spend their day sucking on vape pens with 80% THC - you're gonna have withdrawal if you stop cold turkey and your tolerance is going to be heroic and that is not a good thing. That's just life and it's a hell of a lot different than the 'cravings and withdrawal' you get from quitting your Mexican brick weed habit from the mid 1990s.

I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless. Yes, decades of refer madness bullshiat have poisoned the well. Let the scientists figure it out, we typically are good that that kind of thing. What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

And against my better judgment I'll refer to a reddit site where you can see how people really are suffering from their cannabis abuse: r/leaves

not so csb

I met my spouse when we were in our teens and he was a heavy pot smoker then. After our toddler wandered into the living room carrying a bong sloshing dirty water he decided to quit (plus money was tight and it wasn't legal, etc).  He was a grumpy bastard for months.
Years passed and, hey, our kid discovered w ...


You could have just said "I married and asshole and want to blame weed."
 
2021-01-21 11:45:05 AM  
Kids that are depressed or bipolar who also use a substance illegal for them to acquire or consume might be at higher risk for suicide.

Wow, you're probably right, it's not like they showed any signs of poor impulse control, it's totes the weed.

/I'm going to double down on my stance that children should not use marijuana unless medically necessary.
 
2021-01-21 11:47:08 AM  
So that's where we are at a day after Trump?  Back to dubious marijuana science.  JFC.
 
2021-01-21 11:47:28 AM  
Thanks to weed I survived
My late teens
20s,30s,40s,50s
Just started my 60s, I'll let you know how things go.
 
2021-01-21 11:48:44 AM  
Lucky me. I'm an old adult and already loopy so TFA does not apply.  Slightly more cra-cra will go unnoticed.
 
2021-01-21 11:49:03 AM  
Quitter never win.  Winners never quit.
 
2021-01-21 11:49:40 AM  

Harlee: Stibium: ingo: BrerRobot: Science, Facts, Logic:

If the first bowl is good enough, you'll forget to light that second one you just packed.

Therefore, smoking weed makes you not smoke weed.

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Except when it makes you forget you already smoked a bowl so you pack and smoke another.

Therefore, smoking weed can either make you smoke weed or make you not smoke weed.

Not gonna lie, it's an awesome feeling when you suddenly "discover" a fresh bowl.

LOL, that happened to me about a year ago (just before I stopped smoking anything due to Covid). I had two glass pipes and loaded both, since it was the last of the stash. Promptly forgot I'd loaded both and was sad I was out, then discovered the 2nd pipe.


Only users lose drugs.
 
2021-01-21 11:52:33 AM  

Internet Meme Rogers: You could have just said "I married and asshole and want to blame weed."


but that would be a lie.

I married a great guy who had hobbies and friends and we went on epic road trips and worked on our home together.

Now he gets high instead. He admits it's his preference. It's legal. It's not addictive.

I don't blame weed or him. Just relating, per a heavy user, that there is such a thing as weed dependence.

The debate over if it is addictive or not will go on.
 
2021-01-21 11:54:20 AM  

Jake Havechek: Why is it that you can make fun of pot smokers but not alcoholics on this site?


Easy. Pot smokers are mellow and funny.  Drunks have a disease.
 
2021-01-21 11:55:21 AM  

parasol: b0rscht: lifeslammer: And yet you can cold turkey stop weed any time you want, with no cravings at all

Ackshuallllyyyy.......

Forget cravings; there are many well known withdrawal effects from heavy usage (the super high THC / low CBD stuff that is so common these days). Appetite: farked. Sleeping: farked; lots of night sweats; if you really push it you can get CHS (Cannabinoid Hyperemisis Syndrome) which is very rare but involves cyclic vomiting, and a sensitivity to THC that pretty much makes you never able to use it again.

Look I use the stuff every day - mostly CBD and delta-8 THC - not all cannabis is the same. But people who spend their day sucking on vape pens with 80% THC - you're gonna have withdrawal if you stop cold turkey and your tolerance is going to be heroic and that is not a good thing. That's just life and it's a hell of a lot different than the 'cravings and withdrawal' you get from quitting your Mexican brick weed habit from the mid 1990s.

I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless. Yes, decades of refer madness bullshiat have poisoned the well. Let the scientists figure it out, we typically are good that that kind of thing. What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

And against my better judgment I'll refer to a reddit site where you can see how people really are suffering from their cannabis abuse: r/leaves

not so csb

I met my spouse when we were in our teens and he was a heavy pot smoker then. After our toddler wandered into the living room carrying a bong sloshing dirty water he decided to quit (plus money was tight and it wasn't legal, etc).  He was a grumpy bastard for months.
Years passed and, hey, our kid discovered w ...


Weed dependency *is* a thing, it just isn't very prevalent.  I know one person with a weed addiction - my ex.  Of course, she is also an alcoholic, a fitness addict, and a shopping addict.  It's almost as if certain people are genetically predisposed to all sorts of addictions...
 
2021-01-21 11:59:11 AM  

parasol: Internet Meme Rogers: You could have just said "I married and asshole and want to blame weed."

but that would be a lie.

I married a great guy who had hobbies and friends and we went on epic road trips and worked on our home together.

Now he gets high instead. He admits it's his preference. It's legal. It's not addictive.

I don't blame weed or him. Just relating, per a heavy user, that there is such a thing as weed dependence.

The debate over if it is addictive or not will go on.


also, in case you missed it, he was a pot smoker when I married him.
I don't blame weed at all, but clearly we do not all share the same chemistry with each other or even have the same one we had at 20 that we have later in life.

My husband is weed dependent. He admits it. Many here are doing so as well. They use it to treat diagnosed disorders, per a Doctor. As does my husband.
I'm sorry if that causes discomfort.
 
2021-01-21 11:59:26 AM  

CheekyMonkey: Weed dependency *is* a thing, it just isn't very prevalent.  I know one person with a weed addiction - my ex.  Of course, she is also an alcoholic, a fitness addict, and a shopping addict.  It's almost as if certain people are genetically predisposed to all sorts of addictions...


I sure do.
I can fall into abusing things, quick.
 
2021-01-21 12:01:59 PM  

mmojo: I took my first bong hit at 5am. I will do my last right before I go to bed. I will do many in between all day and all night long. I do this every single day and have for many years. It's like Popeye's spinach to me. No problems to report. So far so good.


No snark, I am curious what problem it is solving for you.

I treated both anxiety and life with alcohol for many years.  (Spoiler alert: it doesn't work).  These days paroxetine (an SSRI) and NO alcohol keep me from wigging out just fine.
 
2021-01-21 12:02:32 PM  

mmojo: orbister: Chinesenookiefactory: How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!

Whenever one of these threads comes up, full of Farkers insisting that cannabis use must never be criticised (for the record I think it should be legal) and how it helps them with their vague symptoms of something or other, I remember that ten years ago Farm was full of Farkers furiously defending oxycontin and other opioids as essential treatments for the vague aches and pains they imagined they would otherwise have.

Dunno about poisonous pharmaceuticals but weed's effect on creativity and creative process is staggering. I consider it essential.


A quick scan of your bio indicates you have the dream profession of most teenage boys. Erotic photographer.  Meanwhile I'm mucking out horse stalls for Mrs. Crash who incidentally is one hot lady. Would never let me take pictures.
 
2021-01-21 12:04:25 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Weed dependency *is* a thing, it just isn't very prevalent.  I know one person with a weed addiction - my ex.  Of course, she is also an alcoholic, a fitness addict, and a shopping addict.  It's almost as if certain people are genetically predisposed to all sorts of addictions...


I've no idea how prevalent it is.
There's been a huge uptick in clinics and shops since our state went medical legal.

If I'm getting meds for a chronic health condition (arthritis or anxiety, etc) then I'm dependent on it to ease my conditions. If I stop using it, then my conditions worsen.

afaik there really hasn't been a concerted effort to study physical withdrawal, which may have been the topic of tfa, which I didn't read, because I am a farker.
 
2021-01-21 12:06:43 PM  

parasol: parasol: Internet Meme Rogers: You could have just said "I married and asshole and want to blame weed."

but that would be a lie.

I married a great guy who had hobbies and friends and we went on epic road trips and worked on our home together.

Now he gets high instead. He admits it's his preference. It's legal. It's not addictive.

I don't blame weed or him. Just relating, per a heavy user, that there is such a thing as weed dependence.

The debate over if it is addictive or not will go on.

also, in case you missed it, he was a pot smoker when I married him.
I don't blame weed at all, but clearly we do not all share the same chemistry with each other or even have the same one we had at 20 that we have later in life.

My husband is weed dependent. He admits it. Many here are doing so as well. They use it to treat diagnosed disorders, per a Doctor. As does my husband.
I'm sorry if that causes discomfort.



You're not causing me any discomfort, but thanks.

Weed doesn't generally make people not engage with their families, do activities they enjoy, or act productively. It sounds like your husband uses his so-called dependency as an excuse to not do things he doesn't want to do. I'd call anyone who wishes to spend most of their existence stoned on a couch, kind of an asshole. Sorry if that causes you discomfort.

I fail to see how legality or illegality enters into your situation at all, although you keep referencing it.
 
2021-01-21 12:08:00 PM  
Wait where is Cannabevets?
 
2021-01-21 12:11:14 PM  

ar393: I've been doing it wrong.

[TRIES POCKET NINJA'S METHOD, THROWS UP]

Apparently, I did that wrong, as well.

Bong water enema


[TRIES THAT AS WELL, shiatS]

Seems I did that wrong, too.
 
2021-01-21 12:11:18 PM  
*Reads thread*
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There you are, CannaBevets, with all your friends being so concerned
 
2021-01-21 12:15:04 PM  

Combustion: So I'll have appetite...or I won't? That's some freaking SCIENCE right there.


When I quit weed it caused insomnia, but I didn't notice because I was sleeping so much.
 
2021-01-21 12:16:16 PM  

Internet Meme Rogers: parasol: parasol: Internet Meme Rogers: You could have just said "I married and asshole and want to blame weed."

but that would be a lie.

I married a great guy who had hobbies and friends and we went on epic road trips and worked on our home together.

Now he gets high instead. He admits it's his preference. It's legal. It's not addictive.

I don't blame weed or him. Just relating, per a heavy user, that there is such a thing as weed dependence.

The debate over if it is addictive or not will go on.

also, in case you missed it, he was a pot smoker when I married him.
I don't blame weed at all, but clearly we do not all share the same chemistry with each other or even have the same one we had at 20 that we have later in life.

My husband is weed dependent. He admits it. Many here are doing so as well. They use it to treat diagnosed disorders, per a Doctor. As does my husband.
I'm sorry if that causes discomfort.


You're not causing me any discomfort, but thanks.

Weed doesn't generally make people not engage with their families, do activities they enjoy, or act productively. It sounds like your husband uses his so-called dependency as an excuse to not do things he doesn't want to do. I'd call anyone who wishes to spend most of their existence stoned on a couch, kind of an asshole. Sorry if that causes you discomfort.

I fail to see how legality or illegality enters into your situation at all, although you keep referencing it.


You're welcome.
Weed actually can take away a person's initiative. (see your own "stoned on a couch").

I don't know why you labelled it a "so called" dependency. He has been subscribed medical weed to treat an arthritic knee. He is dependent on it since arthritis is a chronic condition.

I don't mind if you call him an asshole. You've never met him and you're wrong.

I keep referencing it's legal status because, for one reason, the debate over it being addictive or harmful would benefit if we stopped bs'ing our way via state legislation, made it legal across the board, regulated it and studied it so that people wouldn't have to get all rude in discussing it.

We could maybe stop pretending just because it's legal means it's entirely without any negative side effects.
 
2021-01-21 12:17:46 PM  

b0rscht: I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless.


Oh, it's not completely harmless.  A bale could fall on you.
 
2021-01-21 12:19:19 PM  

El_Dan: I'll stick with the test of whether or not a person has ever sucked dick for it, thanks.


Right? I've never stolen anything or sold anything I owned to buy weed. (I did trade a guy a video game for some weed once, but he offered, and I could have paid, so I don't count that)

I've budgeted for it, but that seems like being responsible.
 
2021-01-21 12:20:43 PM  

parasol: He has been subscribed medical weed to treat an arthritic knee. He is dependent on it since arthritis is a chronic condition.


You're probably not trying to be funny, but this is just hysterical.

Have a great day. I don't want to argue with you.
 
2021-01-21 12:22:42 PM  

Internet Meme Rogers: parasol: He has been subscribed medical weed to treat an arthritic knee. He is dependent on it since arthritis is a chronic condition.

You're probably not trying to be funny, but this is just hysterical.

Have a great day. I don't want to argue with you.


"Irony"

You, too.
 
2021-01-21 12:22:45 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Pocket Ninja: Just remember that after you smoke a bowl, it's critically important that you only *sip* the bong water, not gulp it.

You sound like a lightweight.  I fill my bong with Everclear, smoke a fat sack through it, then do shots of bong"water".


Many years ago I actually used to put bourbon in my bong.  Try it.
 
2021-01-21 12:22:47 PM  
Oh, politicians likely to legalize weed just came into power yesterday? RELEASE THE PROPAGANDA!

It's almost as if people that are depressed and/or suicidal smoke weed to try to feel better and it's not always enough and they end up trying to/possibly succeeding in killing themselves.

They should just take Prozac/Zoloft/Xanax instead, drugs where there's totally no evidence of people doing even crazier shiat because of.

Fark off, everyone involved in putting out this nonsense.

Link your lips to my schlong.

Biatches.
 
2021-01-21 12:24:07 PM  
If anything happens when you're not smoking weed, you're dependent on weed.

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2021-01-21 12:24:40 PM  

parasol: Internet Meme Rogers: You could have just said "I married and asshole and want to blame weed."


but that would be a lie.

I married a great guy who had hobbies and friends and we went on epic road trips and worked on our home together.


Is it possible your relationship had anything to do with the change?

Unhappy marriages do happen, even after good beginnings.  People do seek solace in drink and drugs. It's not an uncommon thing.

I'm not saying this is the case, because I don't know you and from your Fark posts you seem like a decent person.  I'm just saying that there might be other reasons your husband underwent such a large personality change.  From my experience, people who disappear into bottles or other forms of escape are not happy people.
 
2021-01-21 12:24:58 PM  

tirob: SansNeural: way-duh-minnut... borit *is* Subby!?

If the reference is to me, no, I didn't submit this.

Jake Havechek: tirob: Entire quote from TFA that submitter butchered:   "A person is considered dependent on weed when they feel food cravings or a lack of appetite, irritability, restlessness and mood and sleep difficulties after quitting, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse."

Jake Havechek: Opioids are safe as milk though, that's what old people and doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies tell me.

If you're arguing that weed is safer than opioids, I'd tend to concur with you.  That's kind of a low bar to set, though.

Yes I am arguing with that, and don't post to me, you're a tiresome bore and barely educated.

If you persist in posting moronic observations such as the one you just published, you should expect me to reply to them.  I have more education than you think, btw.


Too bad you didn't use some of that education to learn the difference between correlation and causation. It's not too late even now, though. All you have to do is read the whole article, not just the parts you agree with.
 
2021-01-21 12:31:06 PM  

knobmaker: parasol: Internet Meme Rogers: You could have just said "I married and asshole and want to blame weed."


but that would be a lie.

I married a great guy who had hobbies and friends and we went on epic road trips and worked on our home together.

Is it possible your relationship had anything to do with the change?

Unhappy marriages do happen, even after good beginnings.  People do seek solace in drink and drugs. It's not an uncommon thing.

I'm not saying this is the case, because I don't know you and from your Fark posts you seem like a decent person.  I'm just saying that there might be other reasons your husband underwent such a large personality change.  From my experience, people who disappear into bottles or other forms of escape are not happy people.


That's kind of you to ask but he admits it's the weed.

Like other people who have medical issues, he's been prescribed medical weed as a treatment.

Some substances, esp when the user can self medicate, can have side effects. I posted an anecdote of some the user admits to.  Less physical activity, decreased appetite, minor mood changes. If it were a voice over it'd would go with any number of drug ads on TV. "Ask your Doctor about..."

We just don't think of weed that way. In fact, a lot of people argue it isn't even possible.
 
2021-01-21 12:52:15 PM  

deadromanoff: Thanks to weed I survived
My late teens
20s,30s,40s,50s
Just started my 60s, I'll let you know how things go.


I can tell you it still works in the 70s. There is hope for you.
 
2021-01-21 12:52:20 PM  
born_yesterday

Sorta silly story.  My friend got a kitten and named it Funyun as she was stoned and eating funyuns.  He is the best sweetest kitty.  Such a snuggle buddy.
 
2021-01-21 12:54:21 PM  

JuggleGeek: b0rscht: I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless.

Oh, it's not completely harmless.  A bale could fall on you.


That *could* be a sign your stash is way too large and you need to be more sharing.
 
2021-01-21 1:01:50 PM  

parasol: knobmaker: parasol: Internet Meme Rogers: You could have just said "I married and asshole and want to blame weed."


but that would be a lie.

I married a great guy who had hobbies and friends and we went on epic road trips and worked on our home together.

Is it possible your relationship had anything to do with the change?

Unhappy marriages do happen, even after good beginnings.  People do seek solace in drink and drugs. It's not an uncommon thing.

I'm not saying this is the case, because I don't know you and from your Fark posts you seem like a decent person.  I'm just saying that there might be other reasons your husband underwent such a large personality change.  From my experience, people who disappear into bottles or other forms of escape are not happy people.

That's kind of you to ask but he admits it's the weed.

Like other people who have medical issues, he's been prescribed medical weed as a treatment.

Some substances, esp when the user can self medicate, can have side effects. I posted an anecdote of some the user admits to.  Less physical activity, decreased appetite, minor mood changes. If it were a voice over it'd would go with any number of drug ads on TV. "Ask your Doctor about..."

We just don't think of weed that way. In fact, a lot of people argue it isn't even possible.


Dunno if he's willing to try moving to CBD but some folks get enough benefit from that, and CBD doesn't have as many side effects.
 
2021-01-21 1:09:33 PM  

b0rscht: Dunno if he's willing to try moving to CBD but some folks get enough benefit from that, and CBD doesn't have as many side effects.


Thanks for the suggestion :)
 
2021-01-21 1:10:16 PM  

parasol: b0rscht: lifeslammer: And yet you can cold turkey stop weed any time you want, with no cravings at all

Ackshuallllyyyy.......

Forget cravings; there are many well known withdrawal effects from heavy usage (the super high THC / low CBD stuff that is so common these days). Appetite: farked. Sleeping: farked; lots of night sweats; if you really push it you can get CHS (Cannabinoid Hyperemisis Syndrome) which is very rare but involves cyclic vomiting, and a sensitivity to THC that pretty much makes you never able to use it again.

Look I use the stuff every day - mostly CBD and delta-8 THC - not all cannabis is the same. But people who spend their day sucking on vape pens with 80% THC - you're gonna have withdrawal if you stop cold turkey and your tolerance is going to be heroic and that is not a good thing. That's just life and it's a hell of a lot different than the 'cravings and withdrawal' you get from quitting your Mexican brick weed habit from the mid 1990s.

I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless. Yes, decades of refer madness bullshiat have poisoned the well. Let the scientists figure it out, we typically are good that that kind of thing. What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

And against my better judgment I'll refer to a reddit site where you can see how people really are suffering from their cannabis abuse: r/leaves

not so csb

I met my spouse when we were in our teens and he was a heavy pot smoker then. After our toddler wandered into the living room carrying a bong sloshing dirty water he decided to quit (plus money was tight and it wasn't legal, etc).  He was a grumpy bastard for months.
Years passed and, hey, our kid discovered weed! The two of them bonded over that.
Shortly after our state legalized medical weed viola! my spouse discovered, thanks to a clinic with a Dr who spent the hour exam discussing his belief in bigfoot, he has an arthritic knee.

He's quite gleeful about it being legal, never dreamed of having a card and an account and a shop that gives him swag and all the newest forms of imbibing. He's there every week and spends freely. He is high all day, every day and vapes in the car and at work.
At home he sits in front of the tv, sound off, for hours. Weekends he hardly moves. Sundays he tends to pick fights over the things *I* haven't gotten done. He's mostly stopped eating and after many years his sleep apnea has returned. He swears this has nothing to do with vaping.

I'm all for legal weed and understand there are plenty of people who use it responsibly and for legitimate reasons.  However, when someone you know changes their entire life and admits there is no way they are going to be able to go even one day a week without it it's hard to agree there is no such thing as weed dependency.

To each their own, I guess.


For him it's weed. For someone else it may be alcohol. And for someone else video games. Don't get me wrong. I'm not by any means downplaying your situation. But while there is something you could certainly describe as a dependency, it's not drug dependency in the same sense as you would see with heroin, cigarettes, even alcohol. It's still unfortunate, and the difference is probably immaterial for you since the end result can still be similar even though the mechanism is different, but for a lot of people in his situation legal weed just means the problem isn't punctuated by jail time. Hope he can realize moderation is a more than fair compromise.
 
2021-01-21 1:16:21 PM  

knobmaker: buster_v: Lots of defensive posters in this thread today.

A hit dog will yelp.

So will the stupid dog next door, apparently.

This is another brilliant example of the scientific studies designed to discourage use of this evil drug. These seminal works started with the famous and still indisputable finding that weed will make white women want to bang Negro jazz musicians.

I particularly liked the assertion that weed use can lead to fatal overdoses.  "Unintentional overdoses, suicide and homicide were the three most frequent causes of death,"


It might help if you actually read the full study, a link to which is embedded in TFA right after the quote you reproduce.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama​p​ediatrics/fullarticle/2775255

It's pretty clear that the overdoses referred to are overdoses of *all* drugs of abuse.

common sense is an oxymoron: learn the difference between correlation and causation.


Citation please of an instance where I mixed up the two here.

My own comment on the study that is discussed in TFA:  researchers noted a **correlation** between heavy weed use by vulnerable young people and bad outcomes including attempts at suicide.

Just to refresh your memory.  Emphasis added.  Read much?
 
2021-01-21 1:23:04 PM  
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2021-01-21 1:23:41 PM  

mmojo: Dunno about poisonous pharmaceuticals but weed's effect on creativity and creative process is staggering. I consider it essential.


Best musician I ever played with was heavily into cannabis. Which is why he was thrown out of the band, dropped out of university and lost access to his child. Heavy.
 
2021-01-21 1:27:03 PM  

Jake Havechek: orbister: I remember that ten years ago Farm was full of Farkers furiously defending oxycontin and other opioids as essential treatments for the vague aches and pains they imagined they would otherwise have.

That's a farking lie.  It was discovered early on that oxycontin could be chopped up and snorted as "hillbilly heroin".  The only assholes that claimed it was harmless was crooked doctors and pharmaceutical companies.


Nope. Fark was full of people discussing what doses and combinations of opioids were best for their "bad backs" (obesity), "bad hips" (obesity), "bad knees" (obesity) and so on. They would react furiously to any suggestion that taking drugs in these quantities might be a bad idea.
 
2021-01-21 1:28:56 PM  

parasol: b0rscht: Dunno if he's willing to try moving to CBD but some folks get enough benefit from that, and CBD doesn't have as many side effects.

Thanks for the suggestion :)


I was going to suggest this, too.  It even comes in topical oinments so that it can be applied directly.

I haven't used it personally, but a friend with bad knees said it helped her immensely (like, it was the only thing she used for them).
 
2021-01-21 1:30:38 PM  

Fano: I've wondered about that. Here at work I often see "cannabis dependence" or "cannabis abuse" in the history and wonder exactly what uptight narc wrote that


Oh that's easy. People who get caught with pot claim dependence to avoid jail. I knew several people in my court ordered rehab who claimed cannabis dependency.
 
2021-01-21 1:36:20 PM  
Which is how I felt before I started smoking weed.

And ignore that idiot. He's in every thread like this, posting links to dubious "studies" about how bad the devil weed is.

We get it, buddy. It's not for you. You tried it once at a party, and spent the rest of the evening awkwardly leaning in a doorway.
 
2021-01-21 1:36:32 PM  

orbister: mmojo: Dunno about poisonous pharmaceuticals but weed's effect on creativity and creative process is staggering. I consider it essential.

Best musician I ever played with was heavily into cannabis. Which is why he was thrown out of the band, dropped out of university and lost access to his child. Heavy.


Louie Armstrong was luckier in that aspect. He owned the band.
 
2021-01-21 1:41:17 PM  

orbister: mmojo: Dunno about poisonous pharmaceuticals but weed's effect on creativity and creative process is staggering. I consider it essential.

Best musician I ever played with was heavily into cannabis. Which is why he was thrown out of the band, dropped out of university and lost access to his child. Heavy.


Um..I work for Phish. So far they have all of their (many) children.
 
2021-01-21 1:43:14 PM  
You know what you weed addicts should try? Getting high on life.

But don't stop there. After you get high on life, you smoke some weed, and man, you'll get f*cking ripped.
 
2021-01-21 1:45:18 PM  
When I lived where retail purchase was easy, cheap, and offered with ridiculous variety (WA, by farking far cheaper and with more variety than I've experienced in legal recreational it medical purchases I  AR, CO, CA or OR), I got dialed in. Didn't smoke much as a kid, but I smoked some, and drank a lot. Hitting fat middle age and living in WA, I started becoming a daily user. I exercised more, I cleaned house, and ordered the yard better, I ate better, much better. Some strains did nothing to increase my appetite. Most of what I smoked was couch-locking for others, but just chilled me out, raised my humor, reduced normal pain, and made daily exercise an adventure. I only used after work and then only after there was no need for me to drive. Those strains that increased appetite also made farking carrots and apples taste like farking ambrosia. So, I portioned dinner in a big plastic tub and limited anything besides produce. I allowed myself whatever vegetables or fruits. Worked for me. I miss most of that. Thinking about a move over the stateline I live by now, sometime after I'm vaccinated, and apartment or house shopping seems lower risk. Apparently, there is weed for sale there since December. A transit pass and a new city to discover on my feet or by bike awaits ... on weed, man.
 
2021-01-21 1:55:16 PM  

H31N0US: Which is how I felt before I started smoking weed.

And ignore that idiot. He's in every thread like this, posting links to dubious "studies" about how bad the devil weed is.

We get it, buddy. It's not for you. You tried it once at a party, and spent the rest of the evening awkwardly leaning in a doorway.


My favorite is when he claims to have personally witnessed not one but two people on acid jump out of multi-story windows because they thought they could fly.  Because clearly he's the kind of guy tripping people want to hang out with.
 
2021-01-21 2:00:25 PM  

misanthropic1: H31N0US: Which is how I felt before I started smoking weed.

And ignore that idiot. He's in every thread like this, posting links to dubious "studies" about how bad the devil weed is.

We get it, buddy. It's not for you. You tried it once at a party, and spent the rest of the evening awkwardly leaning in a doorway.

My favorite is when he claims to have personally witnessed not one but two people on acid jump out of multi-story windows because they thought they could fly.  Because clearly he's the kind of guy tripping people want to hang out with.


Yeah, the kind that won't help them trip safely, apparently.
 
2021-01-21 2:03:43 PM  
I'd just like to chime in and add that, of all my personal drug dependencies over the years, cannabis has been the easy one to just stop, especially when I plan ahead for the sudden burst of physical energy that needs consumed, otherwise insomnia. Getting on with gardening in the spring, for instance, is a perfect time for me to naturally plan a break from consumption, as getting up and on with it is the only way to get things done, and heavy digging just isn't possible for me with even a light buzz.

To parasol: try to find ways to respark his old hobby interests. It's what got me to dust of my violin and guitar, and now I'm teaching basic keyboard skills to a friend who asked about how to start playing, and in return got my first art lesson. It sounds like he's possibly got something stopping him other than cannabis, though. For me it was bad memories in my past that cannabis was helping me think through, when I probably needed to talk them through instead. Sorry, don't mean to project at all there, but reading your posts reminded me of how I was once with cannabis a long way back.

Hope it works out for you guys!
 
2021-01-21 2:23:49 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: learn the difference between correlation and causation.

Citation please of an instance where I mixed up the two here.

My own comment on the study that is discussed in TFA:  researchers noted a **correlation** between heavy weed use by vulnerable young people and bad outcomes including attempts at suicide.

Just to refresh your memory.  Emphasis added.  Read much?


You can't hide from your past record of citing this correlation as valid evidence (and ignoring repeated attempts to explain to you why it isn't) to support your cannabiphobic nonsense. If you really think there's no proof of causality, then why do you keep bringing it up?
 
2021-01-21 2:27:32 PM  

parasol: b0rscht: lifeslammer: And yet you can cold turkey stop weed any time you want, with no cravings at all

Ackshuallllyyyy.......

Forget cravings; there are many well known withdrawal effects from heavy usage (the super high THC / low CBD stuff that is so common these days). Appetite: farked. Sleeping: farked; lots of night sweats; if you really push it you can get CHS (Cannabinoid Hyperemisis Syndrome) which is very rare but involves cyclic vomiting, and a sensitivity to THC that pretty much makes you never able to use it again.

Look I use the stuff every day - mostly CBD and delta-8 THC - not all cannabis is the same. But people who spend their day sucking on vape pens with 80% THC - you're gonna have withdrawal if you stop cold turkey and your tolerance is going to be heroic and that is not a good thing. That's just life and it's a hell of a lot different than the 'cravings and withdrawal' you get from quitting your Mexican brick weed habit from the mid 1990s.

I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless. Yes, decades of refer madness bullshiat have poisoned the well. Let the scientists figure it out, we typically are good that that kind of thing. What I'd personally like to see are more cannabinoids in my weed (more CBD, CBC, CBN, CBG) in addition to delta-9 THC. The entourage effect is real and it also really makes for a better overall experience (and fewer side effects / withdrawals).

And against my better judgment I'll refer to a reddit site where you can see how people really are suffering from their cannabis abuse: r/leaves

not so csb

I met my spouse when we were in our teens and he was a heavy pot smoker then. After our toddler wandered into the living room carrying a bong sloshing dirty water he decided to quit (plus money was tight and it wasn't legal, etc).  He was a grumpy bastard for months.
Years passed and, hey, our kid discovered w ...


sounds like he may need therapy if he's that determined to escape reality.  I'd get him to talk to someone professionally.
 
2021-01-21 2:35:16 PM  

tirob: It's pretty clear that the overdoses referred to are overdoses of *all* drugs of abuse.


So, what would you say an "overdose" of the marijuanas looks like?
 
2021-01-21 2:47:12 PM  
i'm craving information, i have no appetite for this shiat.
 
2021-01-21 2:51:00 PM  

parasol: CheekyMonkey: Weed dependency *is* a thing, it just isn't very prevalent.  I know one person with a weed addiction - my ex.  Of course, she is also an alcoholic, a fitness addict, and a shopping addict.  It's almost as if certain people are genetically predisposed to all sorts of addictions...

I've no idea how prevalent it is.
There's been a huge uptick in clinics and shops since our state went medical legal.

If I'm getting meds for a chronic health condition (arthritis or anxiety, etc) then I'm dependent on it to ease my conditions. If I stop using it, then my conditions worsen.


Saying you "depend" on a drug to relieve certain symptoms does not mean that you have a drug dependence.  That would require withdrawal symptoms distinct from the return of the symptoms of the underlying condition.
 
2021-01-21 2:51:50 PM  

hodgemann: tirob: It's pretty clear that the overdoses referred to are overdoses of *all* drugs of abuse.

So, what would you say an "overdose" of the marijuanas looks like?


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2021-01-21 3:04:18 PM  

Nocrash: orbister: mmojo: Dunno about poisonous pharmaceuticals but weed's effect on creativity and creative process is staggering. I consider it essential.

Best musician I ever played with was heavily into cannabis. Which is why he was thrown out of the band, dropped out of university and lost access to his child. Heavy.

Louie Armstrong was luckier in that aspect. He owned the band.


Satchmo rolled right along. He was reported to and investigated by the FBI for puffing on the muggles.  Director Hoover gave Armstrong the pass and closed the file (a rare occurrence, let me tell you).

This CNN article appeared as the first shot by DEA/NIDA to remain relevant (via FUD) in the formulation of a policy directed towards ending the war on some drugs, specifically Cannabis.

"People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults," NIDA advises. About 4 million people in the United States met the diagnostic criteria for a marijuana use disorder in 2015, the NIDA estimates.

A little history, here.  Nixon, attempting to peel off "yout" vote after a relatively disappointing performance among 21-25 y.o. in '68 and, knowing that it was very likely the 26th Amendment would be ratified in time for '72 run (whole bunch of 18yo's voting for first time), Set up his Shafer Commission ("just how dangerous pot is, what should be done going forward?" "SCIENCE!" - but handpicked hide-bounds were chosen for commission) on Marijuana.  Two years later, Shafer Commission recommended Federal Decrim.  Nixon went ballistic and sped up transition of Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs into a much larger org, i.e., DEA.

Well, Nixon resigned and Ford took the lead on the War On Some Drugs.  Ford followed through with Nixon's agenda and cut off all federal funding for any research that wasn't approved by the National Institute On Drug Abuse.  NIDA exists, as the current Director Volkow has repeatedly pointed out "to research abuse".

Design one's research to highlight abuse, or forget about even applying for some moldy weed from the Fed pot farm at U. Miss.  Everything from killing off monkeys by force smoking (65 joints of Colombian at one sitting!  Every other day! - FOIA:  "Yeah, died from hypoxia, not brain alterations owing to pot" - but Reagan, in '80, cited this study when he referred to Marijuana as "the most dangerous in America"), to the appearance, almost overnight! of breasts on human males who 'herbed 'em up'.

NIDA research papers are a very good place to begin honing one's skills in in correlative sustenance.

/always ask:  "how many has it killed?" (apart from the "business")
//"Oh, dear, it's so much stronger!"  "Yeah, great, one need use so much less to get just as lit - that's titration of dose, for ya"
 
2021-01-21 3:15:53 PM  

CheekyMonkey: hodgemann: tirob: It's pretty clear that the overdoses referred to are overdoses of *all* drugs of abuse.

So, what would you say an "overdose" of the marijuanas looks like?

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No, that's Becky.
 
2021-01-21 3:20:48 PM  
An "overdose" of marajuana? I thought that looked like someone asleep on the floor.

Of course, farkers, there's a *worse* drug: every drug user started out by drinking... mother's milk.
 
2021-01-21 3:27:07 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: learn the difference between correlation and causation.

Citation please of an instance where I mixed up the two here.

My own comment on the study that is discussed in TFA:  researchers noted a **correlation** between heavy weed use by vulnerable young people and bad outcomes including attempts at suicide.

Just to refresh your memory.  Emphasis added.  Read much?

You can't hide from your past record of citing this correlation as valid evidence


No I can't.  Because correlation *is* evidence.  As far as the study referenced in TFA goes, it's not enough evidence to come to a conclusion, but it's damn sure enough evidence to warrant looking further into the issue of whether weed use can lead to suicide and overdose of drugs of abuse.

hodgemann: tirob: It's pretty clear that the overdoses referred to are overdoses of *all* drugs of abuse.

So, what would you say an "overdose" of the marijuanas looks like?


It looks something like this:   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC6930694/

"We report a death of an 11-day-old white female neonate due to acute marijuana toxicity. She died of extensive necrosis and hemorrhage of the liver and adrenals due to maternal use of marijuana."

Don't say you didn't ask.
 
2021-01-21 3:56:57 PM  

algman: Quitter never win.  Winners never quit.


but my arcade machines told me that winners don't use drugs.
 
2021-01-21 3:58:19 PM  
lmao @ weed hysteria in 2021
 
2021-01-21 3:59:45 PM  
Pocket Ninja:

Just remember that after you smoke a bowl, it's critically important that you only *sip* the bong water, not gulp it. Bong water retains very high levels of THC, so while consuming it is an important part of spiking your high and also decreasing side effects such as cotton mouth, you don't want to overdo it. A few tablespoons at a time, and generally no more than 3 within in an hour. Think of it like consuming edibles on top of the smoke. You gotta know how much you're taking in. Also, one way to deal with those so-called "munchies" is to actually protein the bong water as you consume it. Crush up some crackers, bits of bacon, whatever you have on hand.


LOL thanks for the science major stoner, very informative :) crackers don't have protein tho btw.
 
2021-01-21 4:00:53 PM  

BrerRobot: Science, Facts, Logic:

If the first bowl is good enough, you'll forget to light that second one you just packed.

Therefore, smoking weed makes you not smoke weed.

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<3
 
2021-01-21 4:12:13 PM  

JuggleGeek: b0rscht: I seriously will rejoice the day it's completely legalized in the US (looks like I'll live to see that day after all) but let's not all pretend weed is harmless.

Oh, it's not completely harmless.  A bale could fall on you.


At least credit the source of that.

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2021-01-21 4:25:40 PM  

Harlee: Chinesenookiefactory: How DARE you speak poorly of the magical herb!!

What WOULD you do it it came out that Trump is a secret total toker?


Find out what strain he uses so it can be avoided.
 
2021-01-21 4:27:08 PM  

born_yesterday: Harlee: Stibium: ingo: BrerRobot: Science, Facts, Logic:

If the first bowl is good enough, you'll forget to light that second one you just packed.

Therefore, smoking weed makes you not smoke weed.

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Except when it makes you forget you already smoked a bowl so you pack and smoke another.

Therefore, smoking weed can either make you smoke weed or make you not smoke weed.

Not gonna lie, it's an awesome feeling when you suddenly "discover" a fresh bowl.

LOL, that happened to me about a year ago (just before I stopped smoking anything due to Covid). I had two glass pipes and loaded both, since it was the last of the stash. Promptly forgot I'd loaded both and was sad I was out, then discovered the 2nd pipe.

Only users lose drugs.


A friend with weed is a friend indeed
Always forward never straight
 
2021-01-21 4:27:13 PM  

hodgemann: tirob: It's pretty clear that the overdoses referred to are overdoses of *all* drugs of abuse.

So, what would you say an "overdose" of the marijuanas looks like?


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2021-01-21 4:34:18 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: El_Dan: I'll stick with the test of whether or not a person has ever sucked dick for it, thanks.

Right? I've never stolen anything or sold anything I owned to buy weed. (I did trade a guy a video game for some weed once, but he offered, and I could have paid, so I don't count that)

I've budgeted for it, but that seems like being responsible.


You forgot rape... I've never raped anyone for pot either.
 
2021-01-21 4:37:20 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: learn the difference between correlation and causation.

Citation please of an instance where I mixed up the two here.

My own comment on the study that is discussed in TFA:  researchers noted a **correlation** between heavy weed use by vulnerable young people and bad outcomes including attempts at suicide.

Just to refresh your memory.  Emphasis added.  Read much?

You can't hide from your past record of citing this correlation as valid evidence

No I can't.  Because correlation *is* evidence.  As far as the study referenced in TFA goes, it's not enough evidence to come to a conclusion, but it's damn sure enough evidence to warrant looking further into the issue of whether weed use can lead to suicide and overdose of drugs of abuse.


Hearsay and innuendo are kinds of evidence as well. You might as well be arguing that we need to study state-supported piracy in order to combat global warming based on this correlation/evidence:

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2021-01-21 5:07:30 PM  
Uh oh, sounds like a politician who didn't get their palm greased bringing up Reefer Madness again as if the War on Drugs wasn't won already by the drugs.
 
2021-01-21 5:28:16 PM  

parasol: knobmaker: parasol: Internet Meme Rogers: You could have just said "I married and asshole and want to blame weed."


but that would be a lie.

I married a great guy who had hobbies and friends and we went on epic road trips and worked on our home together.

Is it possible your relationship had anything to do with the change?

Unhappy marriages do happen, even after good beginnings.  People do seek solace in drink and drugs. It's not an uncommon thing.

I'm not saying this is the case, because I don't know you and from your Fark posts you seem like a decent person.  I'm just saying that there might be other reasons your husband underwent such a large personality change.  From my experience, people who disappear into bottles or other forms of escape are not happy people.


That's kind of you to ask but he admits it's the weed.


Well, he tells you it's the weed.

I'm just trying to convey the possibility that the weed might be a symptom, not the cause.
 
2021-01-21 5:35:29 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: You might as well be arguing that we need to study state-supported piracy in order to combat global warming based on this correlation/evidence:


I see.  The hypothesized connection between the abuse by young people of a mood-altering stupefacient such as THC and bad results later in life such as suicide and death from overdose of other drugs is a stretch that is just as ridiculous as the one between global warming and the decline in the number of pirates.  Which means that research into a possible physiological connection between the two should cease immediately.

Real scientific there.
 
2021-01-21 5:36:48 PM  
This is pretty typical about psychiatric diagnostic criteria - people react differently to different things soo they tie it to the person's own baseline. It's about a change from your own normal function.

E.g., one of the symptoms of clinical depression is either increased sleep or lack of sleep. But it's the disturbance of the *normal or typical* sleep pattern of the individual that's indicative.

Subby confused this here - it's not a case of "increased appetite OR decreased appetite" (implying that the criteria are useless because they're universal and serve no discriminatory properties).

It's a case of "abnormally increased appetite OR abnormally decreased appetite OR usual appetite."
 
2021-01-21 5:41:11 PM  
Weed makes me short term happy but long term lazy and not want to work/be productive in my hobbies. But for other people it is the opposite. It's whatever you make of it. Don't assume someone else is going to be affected by it the same, and definitely don't try to pass laws or regulations based on your own shiatty experience.
 
2021-01-21 6:05:13 PM  

tirob: It looks something like this:   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC6930694/

"We report a death of an 11-day-old white female neonate due to acute marijuana toxicity. She died of extensive necrosis and hemorrhage of the liver and adrenals due to maternal use of marijuana."

Don't say you didn't ask.


Yeah one report where they claim they could not find any other cause but cannot directly attribute it to it is ANECDOTAL YOU MORON.

Don't listen to tirob, he lies saying things like: "The most marketable stuff is grown in greenhouses and is highly processed before it goes to market" and thinks his meth addicted friend was driven to murder because of marijuana. His knowledge of cannabis is so limited that he says he doesn't know if alcohol is more dangerous than cannabis and when there is zero evidence cannabis has ever killed someone and evidence aspirin has killed, he says, "In the absence of that comparative scientific evidence I asked for, however, I remain unconvinced that weed is less dangerous than aspirin." He has said: "I haven't gone into a McDonalds in ~fifteen years, but I still wouldn't vouch for weed's comparative safety against the highly processed food that's sold in their restaurants." He thinks cannabis is worse than diabetes!

He has said about a pot store robbery: "That is, were they out for money or out to get high?  Because if it was the latter, weed must be a pretty powerful drug if people are willing to kill to obtain it."

He wants to put people in prison for a having a natural plant, and is racist because he doesn't think the judicial system is biased against people of color. Here he is advocating for the black market: "If you're as concerned about the small number of Blacks in the legal weed trade as you say you are, why don't you organize a boycott of legal weed until the "industry" becomes more racially diverse?"

When asked to explain my statement and well known fact, "prohibition created the mob and cartels" he says: "We could argue until next week about what created the mob and the cartels." < this is how much he tries to spin things.

He has said, "Weed will still be garbage whether I post here or not." and, "I don't care for weed.  It's garbage." tirob just doesn't want you to enjoy yourself, is what it comes down to: "Putting out a substance whose many nonmedical users ingest it solely for the purpose of f**king themselves up is nothing to be proud of, chum."

Not all addiction is from trauma. Trauma in my life certainly did affect me later, but it was not the original cause. I was addicted to alcohol by the time I was 5 with little trauma up to that point. If you don't believe me, look at me as a literal baby drinking alcohol from a champagne bottle in my profile.

I was a hardcore every day all day drinker since I was 17 for 30 years. At least 75% of my drinking was beer up until the last 2 years of drinking I did, which was 100% beer, about a 12 pack a day. I have been sober of alcohol since 9/19/16 when I was diagnosed with cirrhosis due to alcoholic hepatitis, given less than a year to live and was put on the transplant list at age 47. I got paracentesis once a week to drain fluid leaked from the liver to my abdomen, one day they took out 5 liters.

We did not really discover the endocannabinoid system until 1992. The endocannabinoid system is throughout our bodies with CB1 and CB2 receptors everywhere including the brain and liver. The over 100 phytocannabinoids that the cannabis plant has mirror many of the cannabinoids our body naturally produces. We have not begun to understand the interactions this plant has with our bodies.  No one has ever died because of imbibing cannabis.

I started taking 15mg of CBD in pill form and smoking about a gram of THC bud a day since diagnosis. Later on I started eating about a gram of decarbed THC kief and dabbing 0.5 gram concentrate THC a day too. My MELD (Model for End-stage Liver Disease) score is a 6 now, the lowest the scale goes and considered normal function. The liver is one of only two organs your body has that can regenerate, and has cannabinoid CB1 and CB2 receptors for cannabis to help with healing. I also cut fat and salt from my diet, and started taking caffeine (liver doctor gave me a paper that says 2-3 cups a day of coffee is good for your liver) along with a couple tablespoons of apple cider vinegar a day.

I only do drugs that are under doctors' supervision, including the cannabis.

If you do drink, have one for me, cause I wish I could. Addiction is natural to us.
 
2021-01-21 6:20:04 PM  

johnphantom: If you do drink, have one for me, cause I wish I could. Addiction is natural to us


Well said.  Including the parts I didn't quote here.

I didn't start as young as you but I was up to 100% drinking no less than 500 mL vodak daily.  It actually got *worse* when started trying to quit (that's substance addiction for you) following a fatty liver disease diagnosis.

I never tried THC nor opioids.  Deathly afraid of anything but booze once I began to understand I was an alcoholic.

/last drink: 11/11/2015
 
2021-01-21 6:20:10 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: You might as well be arguing that we need to study state-supported piracy in order to combat global warming based on this correlation/evidence:

I see.  The hypothesized connection between the abuse by young people of a mood-altering stupefacient such as THC and bad results later in life such as suicide and death from overdose of other drugs is a stretch that is just as ridiculous as the one between global warming and the decline in the number of pirates.


Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.

tirob: Which means that research into a possible physiological connection between the two should cease immediately.

Real scientific there.


Your words, not mine.
 
2021-01-21 7:10:06 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: Which means that research into a possible physiological connection between the two should cease immediately.

Real scientific there.

Your words, not mine.


You said this:  You might as well be arguing that we need to study state-supported piracy in order to combat global warming based on this correlation/evidence

by way of response to this:  As far as the study referenced in TFA goes, it's not enough evidence to come to a conclusion, but it's damn sure enough evidence to warrant looking further into the issue of whether weed use can lead to suicide and overdose of drugs of abuse.

I think that what I wrote was an accurate summary/restatement.

common sense is an oxymoron: Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.


In the excerpt that I reproduced above, you argued that scientists shouldn't even bother to look into whether such a link exists.  You're obviously sure that there isn't one, or at least it's clear that you're more sure than the scientists who put out the study discussed in TFA that there isn't one.

johnphantom: tirob: It looks something like this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC6930694/

"We report a death of an 11-day-old white female neonate due to acute marijuana toxicity. She died of extensive necrosis and hemorrhage of the liver and adrenals due to maternal use of marijuana."

Don't say you didn't ask.

Yeah one report where they claim they could not find any other cause but cannot directly attribute it to it etc


I suggest that you read the link before you hit the enter button.  It might save you from uttering the kind of distortions that you do.

It wasn't that the doctors who examined the deceased couldn't find a cause for the kid's death other than marijuana poisoning.  It was that they *eliminated* all other possible causes of death.
 
2021-01-21 7:32:43 PM  

tirob: johnphantom: tirob: It looks something like this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC6930694/

"We report a death of an 11-day-old white female neonate due to acute marijuana toxicity. She died of extensive necrosis and hemorrhage of the liver and adrenals due to maternal use of marijuana."

Don't say you didn't ask.

Yeah one report where they claim they could not find any other cause but cannot directly attribute it to it etc


I suggest that you read the link before you hit the enter button.  It might save you from uttering the kind of distortions that you do.

It wasn't that the doctors who examined the deceased couldn't find a cause for the kid's death other than marijuana poisoning.  It was that they *eliminated* all other possible causes of death.


Yeah, try to think about it - if she was doing marijuana, then how the f*ck did they eliminate everything else over 9 months?
 
2021-01-21 7:38:31 PM  
For the record, I thought people were totally kidding about Cannabevets and am surprised at the turn this thread took.
 
2021-01-21 7:48:18 PM  

El_Dan: For the record, I thought people were totally kidding about Cannabevets and am surprised at the turn this thread took.


You never want to open up a Canna Bevets.
 
2021-01-21 7:56:11 PM  

El_Dan: For the record, I thought people were totally kidding about Cannabevets and am surprised at the turn this thread took.


Oh, I dubbed him cannabevets because his similarity to SteveB's 'debate' style, no question. I've never seen goalpoasts move, then turn into a drone-mounted basketball hoop. Then I met tirob.
 
2021-01-21 8:00:57 PM  

uttertosh: El_Dan: For the record, I thought people were totally kidding about Cannabevets and am surprised at the turn this thread took.

Oh, I dubbed him cannabevets because his similarity to SteveB's 'debate' style, no question. I've never seen goalpoasts move, then turn into a drone-mounted basketball hoop. Then I met tirob.


He hasn't devolved to the point of just posting a set of links.  Yet.
 
2021-01-21 8:14:11 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: Which means that research into a possible physiological connection between the two should cease immediately.

Real scientific there.

Your words, not mine.

You said this:  You might as well be arguing that we need to study state-supported piracy in order to combat global warming based on this correlation/evidence

by way of response to this:  As far as the study referenced in TFA goes, it's not enough evidence to come to a conclusion, but it's damn sure enough evidence to warrant looking further into the issue of whether weed use can lead to suicide and overdose of drugs of abuse your long history of confusing correlation with causation.


Make stupid arguments, win stupid reputations.
 
2021-01-21 8:29:01 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron:

Make stupid arguments, win stupid reputations.

This from someone who on this page seriously argued that the correlative data in TFA that was gleaned by scientists and researchers is of comparable scientific worth to a joke "correlation" between global warming and the number of pirates.

And I quote:  Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.

I'm still waiting for a citation where I confused correlation and causation here, btw.

johnphantom: tirob: johnphantom: tirob: It looks something like this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC6930694/

"We report a death of an 11-day-old white female neonate due to acute marijuana toxicity. She died of extensive necrosis and hemorrhage of the liver and adrenals due to maternal use of marijuana."

Don't say you didn't ask.

Yeah one report where they claim they could not find any other cause but cannot directly attribute it to it etc


I suggest that you read the link before you hit the enter button.  It might save you from uttering the kind of distortions that you do.

It wasn't that the doctors who examined the deceased couldn't find a cause for the kid's death other than marijuana poisoning.  It was that they *eliminated* all other possible causes of death.

Yeah, try to think about it - if she was doing marijuana, then how the f*ck did they eliminate everything else over 9 months?


Read the link and argue with the doctors, not with me.  I assume based on both the tone and the content of your response that you know more than they do, of course.
 
2021-01-21 8:34:38 PM  

tirob: Yeah, try to think about it - if she was doing marijuana, then how the f*ck did they eliminate everything else over 9 months?


Read the link and argue with the doctors, not with me.  I assume based on both the tone and the content of your response that you know more than they do, of course.


You can't argue with the fact that if they know she was doing one illegal drug then they were definitely not aware of everything she was doing, it is simple f*cking reality, moron.
 
2021-01-21 9:53:21 PM  
Well, I put that statement in my bong and smoked it.

So there.
 
2021-01-21 10:02:27 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron:

Make stupid arguments, win stupid reputations.

This from someone who on this page seriously argued that the correlative data in TFA that was gleaned by scientists and researchers is of comparable scientific worth to a joke "correlation" between global warming and the number of pirates.

And I quote:  Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.


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And I repeat: Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.

tirob: I'm still waiting for a citation where I confused correlation and causation here, btw.


And I'm still waiting for an alternative explanation for your citing yet another correlation. Until then, consider yourself confused.
 
2021-01-21 11:28:42 PM  
tirob

You clearly don't understand that science isn't a belief system it's a method of investigation designed to remove human bias. As posted above, you fall into the most basic logical fallacy of appeal to authority, as well as several others that you're clearly oblivious to. You ignore any and all data that refutes your "beliefs".You should have a better logic game for a pro troll such as yourself.

Any study of cannabis on health is going to have so many confounding variables that are simply impossible to constrain. Fixating on one variable mostly results in poor studies with spurious conclusions, these are what your referencing. The papers you reference from the article have no data, care to provide me with the entire paper?

How about you explain to me how you "know" these causes and effects with cannabis, and how you "know" you've eliminated all the confounding variables. You seem really confident in your conclusions, to the point of arrogance, I'm all ears.

I'll give you points for continuing to show up and get your ass handed to you....by a bunch of stoners no less :D
 
2021-01-21 11:43:46 PM  

misanthropic1: My favorite is when he claims to have personally witnessed not one but two people on acid jump out of multi-story windows because they thought they could fly.  Because clearly he's the kind of guy tripping people want to hang out with.


It sounds like he's the kind of guy that you would rather jump out a window than spend time with him.
 
2021-01-21 11:53:17 PM  

bobadooey: Weed makes me short term happy but long term lazy and not want to work/be productive in my hobbies. But for other people it is the opposite. It's whatever you make of it. Don't assume someone else is going to be affected by it the same, and definitely don't try to pass laws or regulations based on your own shiatty experience.


It certainly affects different people different ways.  Some get lazy, others get active.  Some get creative, with lots of good ideas, others get creative with really crazy pointless ideas.  It's not the same for everyone.
 
2021-01-22 1:30:53 AM  

El_Dan: For the record, I thought people were totally kidding about Cannabevets and am surprised at the turn this thread took.


I put him on ignore some time ago. It's quite peaceful.
 
2021-01-22 1:54:10 AM  

mmojo: I took my first bong hit at 5am. I will do my last right before I go to bed. I will do many in between all day and all night long. I do this every single day and have for many years. It's like Popeye's spinach to me. No problems to report. So far so good.


Back when we needed to go to a weed doctor to get a weed card to get weed here in California, my doctor recommended you take a 3-4 week break from weed every year, to let your endocannabinoid metabolism catch up.  Looks like that's more important for THC than for CBD.
 
2021-01-22 6:40:56 AM  
I was going to type a witty criticism of this article, but I got high.
 
2021-01-22 6:54:51 AM  

New Age Redneck: tirob

How about you explain to me how you "know" these causes and effects with cannabis, and how you "know" you've eliminated all the confounding variables. You seem really confident in your conclusions, to the point of arrogance, I'm all ears.


It would help me if you pointed out where it was that I claimed to "know" cause and effect about anything here.  Because all I have done is to present scientific data that tends to contradict assertions people on these threads make.

New Age Redneck: You ignore any and all data that refutes your "beliefs".


How's about you post some data that contradicts the studies I've cited here and let's see if I ignore it?

New Age Redneck: pro troll


I'll remind you that ad hominem attacks aren't data.

New Age Redneck:

Any study of cannabis on health is going to have so many confounding variables that are simply impossible to constrain

I see that you need to reread at least some of the data that I linked to here, because in at least some of the studies the researchers said that they took into account variables such as you reference.

New Age Redneck:

I'll give you points for continuing to show up and get your ass handed to you....by a bunch of stoners no less :D

I'm well aware that many of the people I'm arguing with here are drug abusers, and that the things I say about weed (and other drugs) aren't going to make me popular among them.  If you can cite an instance where someone actually refuted any assertion I've made here by using facts and logic, however, I'd be interested in seeing it of course.

JuggleGeek: misanthropic1: My favorite is when he claims to have personally witnessed not one but two people on acid jump out of multi-story windows because they thought they could fly.  Because clearly he's the kind of guy tripping people want to hang out with.

It sounds like he's the kind of guy that you would rather jump out a window than spend time with him.


For the record, I've never personally witnessed anyone walk out of an upper story window while they were impaired by LSD, although I know of two cases where it happened.  One of the persons affected messed up his leg so badly that he had to have it taken off.

common sense is an oxymoron:

And I quote:  Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.

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And I repeat: Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.


Don't ever change, Boopsie.

common sense is an oxymoron: And I'm still waiting for an alternative explanation for your citing yet another correlation.


Because it's data gleaned by people who know more about this subject than either of us, and it may be helpful later on in determining whether abusing weed as a young person can lead to suicide or death by overdose further on down the road.  Neither of which possibilities I would dismiss as quickly as you would.

johnphantom: tirob: Yeah, try to think about it - if she was doing marijuana, then how the f*ck did they eliminate everything else over 9 months?


Read the link and argue with the doctors, not with me.  I assume based on both the tone and the content of your response that you know more than they do, of course.

You can't argue with the fact that if they know she was doing one illegal drug then they were definitely not aware of everything she was doing, it is simple f*cking reality, moron.


*sigh*

It's patent that you haven't read the link, because if you had, you'd know that the doctors checked that possibility out.
 
2021-01-22 7:12:07 AM  

tirob: johnphantom: tirob: Yeah, try to think about it - if she was doing marijuana, then how the f*ck did they eliminate everything else over 9 months?


Read the link and argue with the doctors, not with me.  I assume based on both the tone and the content of your response that you know more than they do, of course.

You can't argue with the fact that if they know she was doing one illegal drug then they were definitely not aware of everything she was doing, it is simple f*cking reality, moron.


*sigh*

It's patent that you haven't read the link, because if you had, you'd know that the doctors checked that possibility out.


And they are lying when they said they had control over her with obviously no control over her with her doing illegal drugs you dipshiat.
 
2021-01-22 7:15:12 AM  

tirob: I'm well aware that many of the people I'm arguing with here are drug abusers


This is how mentally f*cked tirob is, EVERYBODY here is a drug abuser except for him and couple of trolls.
 
2021-01-22 7:17:11 AM  
Oh and: #1 the mob and cartels were created by prohibition. #2 the artificially high price of marijuana right now is the main cause of the black market.
 
2021-01-22 7:27:52 AM  

johnphantom: tirob: johnphantom: tirob: Yeah, try to think about it - if she was doing marijuana, then how the f*ck did they eliminate everything else over 9 months?


Read the link and argue with the doctors, not with me.  I assume based on both the tone and the content of your response that you know more than they do, of course.

You can't argue with the fact that if they know she was doing one illegal drug then they were definitely not aware of everything she was doing, it is simple f*cking reality, moron.


*sigh*

It's patent that you haven't read the link, because if you had, you'd know that the doctors checked that possibility out.

And they are lying when they said they had control over her with obviously no control over her with her doing illegal drugs


I see that it's not just that you know more about this subject than those doctors do, you know more about the case that they worked on than they do, too.  Very impressive.
 
2021-01-22 7:48:33 AM  

tirob: johnphantom: tirob: johnphantom: tirob: Yeah, try to think about it - if she was doing marijuana, then how the f*ck did they eliminate everything else over 9 months?


Read the link and argue with the doctors, not with me.  I assume based on both the tone and the content of your response that you know more than they do, of course.

You can't argue with the fact that if they know she was doing one illegal drug then they were definitely not aware of everything she was doing, it is simple f*cking reality, moron.


*sigh*

It's patent that you haven't read the link, because if you had, you'd know that the doctors checked that possibility out.

And they are lying when they said they had control over her with obviously no control over her with her doing illegal drugs

I see that it's not just that you know more about this subject than those doctors do, you know more about the case that they worked on than they do, too.  Very impressive.


Yes that is why it took you so long to find it - NO ONE CITES IT BECAUSE IT IS BULLSHIAT.
 
2021-01-22 7:58:56 AM  

johnphantom: tirob: I'm well aware that many of the people I'm arguing with here are drug abusers

This is how mentally f*cked tirob is, EVERYBODY here is a drug abuser except for him and couple of trolls.


I don't know about everyone, but some people here have bragged about having a very heavy weed habit.  For example, one poster earlier in this thread claimed that he is     able to do about the equivalent of 4.5 ounces of flower a month.

If we say that a joint is about a gram, our friend would be ingesting the the equivalent of ~127 joints a month, or over four a day.  In other words, the person who wrote that is probably high most of his waking hours.
 
2021-01-22 7:59:53 AM  
This is how stupid tirob is: he thinks doctors participated in an illegal activity to completely monitor the drug intake of a woman taking at least one admitted illegal drug.

fark off tirob, burn in the deepest darkest parts of Hell, by your efforts you bring suffering to billions.
 
2021-01-22 8:01:29 AM  

tirob: don't know about everyone, but some people here have bragged about having a very heavy weed habit.  For example, one poster earlier in this thread claimed that he is     able to do about the equivalent of 4.5 ounces of flower a month.


No moron, a very heavy weed habit is smoking more than 4.5 joints a day. B-Real of Cypress Hill that has been in documentaries estimates he does 15 joints a day. Snoop probably does that before breakfast. THAT is a heavy user.
 
2021-01-22 8:55:42 AM  

johnphantom: tirob: don't know about everyone, but some people here have bragged about having a very heavy weed habit.  For example, one poster earlier in this thread claimed that he is     able to do about the equivalent of 4.5 ounces of flower a month.

No moron, a very heavy weed habit is smoking more than 4.5 joints a day. B-Real of Cypress Hill that has been in documentaries estimates he does 15 joints a day. Snoop probably does that before breakfast. THAT is a heavy user.


If you are claiming that ingesting four joints a day every day is a moderate habit it would of course be futile for me to argue the point with you.

However, I will remind you that B-Fake has been in the weed business for a couple of years and that he may therefore have reason to exaggerate his intake by way of trying to tout the alleged safety of the merchandise he peddles.

https://merryjane.com/culture/b-real-​i​s-a-business-man-a-visit-to-the-cypres​s-hill-icons-brand-new-pot-shop
 
2021-01-22 9:12:31 AM  

tirob: If you are claiming that ingesting four joints a day every day is a moderate habit it would of course be futile for me to argue the point with you.

However, I will remind you that B-Fake has been in the weed business for a couple of years and that he may therefore have reason to exaggerate his intake by way of trying to tout the alleged safety of the merchandise he peddles.

https://merryjane.com/culture/b-real-i​s-a-business-man-a-visit-to-the-cypres​s-hill-icons-brand-new-pot-shop


#1 I smoke 15 1 gram cigarettes a day. 4.5 joints is not a lot, and I smoke like B-Real not really holding my breath so it is better for me than cigarettes definitely, never mind that 0.5 is eaten, about 1 is smoked, and 3 is vaporized pure THC which is not carcinogenic. B-Real also has been in documentaries BEFORE he was in the business and if you knew anything about Cypress Hill you would know they have promoted cannabis use since at least the early 1990s. He did not suddenly start smoking more just because he is selling it now.

Go away moron, you are too stupid to come up with a logical argument.
 
2021-01-22 9:15:03 AM  
Oh, and idiot, Snoop would DEFINITELY call me a lightweight.
 
2021-01-22 9:31:27 AM  

JuggleGeek: bobadooey: Weed makes me short term happy but long term lazy and not want to work/be productive in my hobbies. But for other people it is the opposite. It's whatever you make of it. Don't assume someone else is going to be affected by it the same, and definitely don't try to pass laws or regulations based on your own shiatty experience.

It certainly affects different people different ways.  Some get lazy, others get active.  Some get creative, with lots of good ideas, others get creative with really crazy pointless ideas.  It's not the same for everyone.


HEY!  Action figure customizing is an *artform*, buddy!
 
2021-01-22 10:37:11 AM  

johnphantom: 4.5 joints is not a lot,


If using that much per day every day means that the user is high all or almost all of their waking hours, I suggest to you that it would be the kind of use that is comparable to that of an alcoholic who drinks enough to stay drunk all the time.

johnphantom: He did not suddenly start smoking more just because he is selling it now.


Neither of us knows for sure what his personal habits were and are, notwithstanding any claims he might make about them.  What we do know is that he's making claims about merchandise that he sells in order to earn a living.  I'd therefore take them with a grain of salt.
 
2021-01-22 10:59:41 AM  
tirob, even though I think you are utterly wrong about 98.3% of your arguments in this thread, I will give you a plus for dedicated commitment to a lost cause. You are one of the very few Green 3's I have who doesn't have a positive Farkie and it is basically only because of your attitude to and understanding of the sacred herb.

I am curious, have you ever tried any of the psychedelics, eg. mushrooms or LSD?  If not then, I think you could benefit with some "Doors of Perception" opening.
 
2021-01-22 12:31:29 PM  

tirob: johnphantom: 4.5 joints is not a lot,

If using that much per day every day means that the user is high all or almost all of their waking hours, I suggest to you that it would be the kind of use that is comparable to that of an alcoholic who drinks enough to stay drunk all the time.

johnphantom: He did not suddenly start smoking more just because he is selling it now.

Neither of us knows for sure what his personal habits were and are, notwithstanding any claims he might make about them.  What we do know is that he's making claims about merchandise that he sells in order to earn a living.  I'd therefore take them with a grain of salt.


All you have is f*cktarded points. Go away.
 
2021-01-22 1:51:38 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron:

And I quote:  Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.

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And I repeat: Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.

Don't ever change, Boopsie

.
common sense is an oxymoron: And I'm still waiting for an alternative explanation for your citing yet another correlation.

Because it's data gleaned by people who know more about this subject than either of us, and it may be helpful later on in determining whether abusing weed as a young person can lead to suicide or death by overdose further on down the road.  Neither of which possibilities I would dismiss as quickly as you would.


I'm not dismissing the possibilities, I'm dismissing your fanatical, years-long insistence that possibilities like these have the same significance as confirmed causalities. And of course you're going with the appeal to authority as well. I'll just close with this:

You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.
~ Dorothy Parker
 
2021-01-22 2:06:01 PM  

Langdon_777:

I am curious, have you ever tried any of the psychedelics, eg. mushrooms or LSD?

I take it that you mean hallucinogens.  Use of the word "psychedelic" implies that the substances can help users examine their minds, which in my (secondhand) experience doesn't happen when people are under the influence of them.  Ever.

The answer to your question is no, I have never used any illicit drug other than weed.  And I am content to continue to observe the use of hallucinogens at long range, thanks; as I mentioned earlier I know of two cases where people impaired by LSD tapdanced out of upper story windows.

Langdon_777: Green 3


?

Am unfamiliar with this term.  Not sure if you're serious about what you call my "understanding" of weed.  I'm familiar enough with it as I have been around users for most of my life and because I was once a casual user myself.  There is no pro-weed argument I've seen here that I haven't heard before.

Langdon_777: lost cause


Back in the 1920s, when cigarettes were coming into vogue, people who considered themselves progressive made fun of anti-cigarette campaigners, whom they reviled as hopelessly reactionary morons.  Fast forward forty/fifty years and lo and behold, it turns out that the reactionary morons were right about cigarettes after all.  I concur with you that we're going to see more setbacks for the anti-weed cause in the near future, but I don't think that the cause is necessarily past hope for all time.
 
2021-01-22 2:35:58 PM  

tirob: Langdon_777:

I am curious, have you ever tried any of the psychedelics, eg. mushrooms or LSD?

I take it that you mean hallucinogens.  Use of the word "psychedelic" implies that the substances can help users examine their minds, which in my (secondhand) experience doesn't happen when people are under the influence of them.  Ever.

The answer to your question is no, I have never used any illicit drug other than weed.  And I am content to continue to observe the use of hallucinogens at long range, thanks; as I mentioned earlier I know of two cases where people impaired by LSD tapdanced out of upper story windows.

Langdon_777: Green 3

?

Am unfamiliar with this term.  Not sure if you're serious about what you call my "understanding" of weed.  I'm familiar enough with it as I have been around users for most of my life and because I was once a casual user myself.  There is no pro-weed argument I've seen here that I haven't heard before.

Langdon_777: lost cause

Back in the 1920s, when cigarettes were coming into vogue, people who considered themselves progressive made fun of anti-cigarette campaigners, whom they reviled as hopelessly reactionary morons.  Fast forward forty/fifty years and lo and behold, it turns out that the reactionary morons were right about cigarettes after all.  I concur with you that we're going to see more setbacks for the anti-weed cause in the near future, but I don't think that the cause is necessarily past hope for all time.


Because tobacco went on to become a source of medicine that is now FDA approved. I am not even being sarcastic! Nicotine is THE number one ingredient in all FDA approved treatments for addiction to cigarettes!!
 
2021-01-22 2:38:00 PM  
If you can move goalposts, then so can I.
 
2021-01-22 2:40:17 PM  

uttertosh: If you can move goalposts, then so can I.


Personally I don't recognize goalposts.  Too... restrictive for my taste.
 
2021-01-22 2:41:19 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: common sense is an oxymoron:

And I quote:  Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.

[Fark user image 600x399]

And I repeat: Until a causal link has been established, one correlation is as good as another.

Don't ever change, Boopsie.
common sense is an oxymoron: And I'm still waiting for an alternative explanation for your citing yet another correlation.

Because it's data gleaned by people who know more about this subject than either of us, and it may be helpful later on in determining whether abusing weed as a young person can lead to suicide or death by overdose further on down the road.  Neither of which possibilities I would dismiss as quickly as you would.

I'm not dismissing the possibilities, I'm dismissing your fanatical, years-long insistence that possibilities like these have the same significance as confirmed causalities.


Citation please for any instance where I have equated the one with the other.

Oh, and another thing: You many want to put a lid on the "correlation doesn't equal causation" shtik.  It's one of those clichés that your side beats to death, along with "reefer madness isn't a documentary" and "it's safer than alcohol."  Thank you for your attention to this matter.
 
2021-01-22 4:21:18 PM  

tirob: Oh, and another thing: You many want to put a lid on the "correlation doesn't equal causation" shtik.  It's one of those clichés that your side beats to death, along with "reefer madness isn't a documentary" and "it's safer than alcohol."  Thank you for your attention to this matter.


I was going to leave this thread, but JFC. When all you have to support your argument are correlations, Reefer Madness, and the fact that alcohol was legalized first, what else do you expect? Despite your butthurt, all of those "clichés" of yours are valid criticisms, and unless you can come up with a better argument you can expect more of the same. So just how masochistic are you?
 
2021-01-22 5:17:21 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: all of those "clichés" of yours are valid criticisms


They're clichés of *yours.*  And you not only beat them to death, you tell me to expect more of them from you.  Well whoop de doo.

common sense is an oxymoron: When all you have to support your argument are correlations,


You are very much mistaken.  I posted a link on this very thread to a case where doctors unequivocally stated that a newborn's death was *caused* by an overdose of marijuana.
 
2021-01-22 5:21:25 PM  

tirob: You are very much mistaken.  I posted a link on this very thread to a case where doctors unequivocally stated that a newborn's death was *caused* by an overdose of marijuana.


Who is so obviously lying that it has never been published in an article, like the rabidly anti-marijuana Daily Fail.
 
2021-01-22 6:05:07 PM  

johnphantom: tirob: You are very much mistaken.  I posted a link on this very thread to a case where doctors unequivocally stated that a newborn's death was *caused* by an overdose of marijuana.

Who is so obviously lying that it has never been published in an article, like the rabidly anti-marijuana Daily Fail.


I am still very impressed by the breadth of your knowledge of the case.  Were you present at the autopsy?

johnphantom: by your efforts you bring suffering to billions


*blushes*

Aw shucks.  I'm flattered by your compliment, but I believe that my efforts are dwarfed by those of the weed peddlers of the world.
 
2021-01-22 7:30:12 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: all of those "clichés" of yours are valid criticisms

They're clichés of *yours.*  And you not only beat them to death, you tell me to expect more of them from you.  Well whoop de doo.

common sense is an oxymoron: When all you have to support your argument are correlations,

You are very much mistaken.  I posted a link on this very thread to a case where doctors unequivocally stated that a newborn's death was *caused* by an overdose of marijuana.


Their statement was far from unequivocal.  A "diagnosis of exclusion," by definition, cannot account for possibilities such as some other toxin which was not tested for. More to the point, though, congratulations on finding yet another example of correlation being given the undue relevance of a proven causal relationship. You're really good at something, anyway.

Their "positive findings" of necrosis and hemorrhage in various organs are attributed to cannabis solely because cannabis is known to collect in those organs. They cite no studies or evidence to indicate that cannabis in those organs is capable of causing necrosis and hemorrhage, let alone that it has conclusively done so in this case, but I guess that doesn't matter when you have an agenda to feed and care for.

It's possible that they're correct, but they sure haven't proven it, nor have you. But keep those correlations coming; they make good target practice.
 
2021-01-22 8:22:26 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: Oh, and another thing: You many want to put a lid on the "correlation doesn't equal causation" shtik.  It's one of those clichés that your side beats to death, along with "reefer madness isn't a documentary" and "it's safer than alcohol."  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

I was going to leave this thread, but JFC. When all you have to support your argument are correlations, Reefer Madness, and the fact that alcohol was legalized first, what else do you expect? Despite your butthurt, all of those "clichés" of yours are valid criticisms, and unless you can come up with a better argument you can expect more of the same. So just how masochistic are you?


This is why he is Cannabevets
 
2021-01-22 8:34:59 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: all of those "clichés" of yours are valid criticisms

They're clichés of *yours.* And you not only beat them to death, you tell me to expect more of them from you. Well whoop de doo.

common sense is an oxymoron: When all you have to support your argument are correlations,

You are very much mistaken. I posted a link on this very thread to a case where doctors unequivocally stated that a newborn's death was *caused* by an overdose of marijuana.

Their statement was far from unequivocal [pathetic attempt at deformation of the link follows]


Here's the link once more.  I suggest that you read it more carefully this time before you hit the "send" button again.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC6930694/

"This case is unique in that other possible causes of death can be eliminated."  They may be mistaken, of course, but they don't equivocate as to their conclusion.

It's clear to me that despite your pretensions to scientific knowledge, you know practically nothing about this subject, and this no doubt because you never learned to read.

common sense is an oxymoron: that doesn't matter when you have an agenda to feed and care for.


There is zero evidence that any of the people responsible for the study had an agenda of any kind.

"Footnotes

Conflict of interest
None."
 
2021-01-22 9:56:11 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: all of those "clichés" of yours are valid criticisms

They're clichés of *yours.* And you not only beat them to death, you tell me to expect more of them from you. Well whoop de doo.

common sense is an oxymoron: When all you have to support your argument are correlations,

You are very much mistaken. I posted a link on this very thread to a case where doctors unequivocally stated that a newborn's death was *caused* by an overdose of marijuana.

Their statement was far from unequivocal [pathetic attempt at deformation of the link follows]

Here's the link once more.  I suggest that you read it more carefully this time before you hit the "send" button again.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC6930694/

"This case is unique in that other possible causes of death can be eliminated."  They may be mistaken, of course, but they don't equivocate as to their conclusion.

It's clear to me that despite your pretensions to scientific knowledge, you know practically nothing about this subject, and this no doubt because you never learned to read.

common sense is an oxymoron: that doesn't matter when you have an agenda to feed and care for.

There is zero evidence that any of the people responsible for the study had an agenda of any kind.

"Footnotes

Conflict of interest
None."


You just can't help yourself, can you? Fortunately, there's another way to assess the merit of a given article that involves neither of us: How many times has it been cited by other researchers? I would think that the First Recorded Case of Lethal Cannabis Overdose in Humans would be a significant observation, one well worth citing in any study involving cannabis-associated health risks. But the citations tell a different story:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=​en&as_sdt=0%2C38&q=Neonate+Death+Due+t​o+Marijuana+Toxicity+to+the+Liver+and+​Adrenals&btnG= [Fark doesn't like the link]

Cited by 1.

One. And that one citation is by the authors themselves. IOW, based on the available evidence, the only person taking this article seriously, other than the authors themselves, is you.

As for their claim of no conflicts of interest, that phrase has a specific meaning, and it doesn't preclude bias on the authors' part:

Since prospective case control studies are almost impossible, retrospective review of case reports is the only way to identify acute marijuana toxicity in newborn health or death. Forensic pathologists have professional obligation to report these cases in peer-reviewed publications to inform the public for their "informed decisions" about marijuana use.

They even use scare quotes, just like you; but once gain, the lack of citations speaks volumes in terms of how many forensic pathologists have been willing to identify acute marijuana toxicity based on such dubious criteria.
 
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