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2021-01-20 5:56:56 PM  
Again? They must really like Cruise
 
2021-01-20 5:57:47 PM  
What does Tom Cruise know about making a self driving car.

Don't be glib.
 
2021-01-20 5:58:32 PM  
Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.
 
2021-01-20 6:19:02 PM  

FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.


That last one is pretty funny, though.

The sooner we get to self-driving cars the better. It will save lives and it's gonna make my life way easier.

I swear that's totally the order of importance...
 
2021-01-20 6:20:17 PM  
Thanks but I do enough "bang analyze" as it is.
 
2021-01-20 6:26:14 PM  
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2021-01-20 6:38:11 PM  

FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.


The real question is will Apple cars let you repair them or will you have to buy the new model every year or so?
 
2021-01-20 6:38:18 PM  

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2021-01-20 6:53:52 PM  
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2021-01-20 6:57:52 PM  

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2021-01-20 7:00:14 PM  

keldaria: FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.

The real question is will Apple cars let you repair them or will you have to buy the new model every year or so?


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2021-01-20 7:03:19 PM  
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2021-01-20 7:30:55 PM  

Likwit: FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.

That last one is pretty funny, though.

The sooner we get to self-driving cars the better. It will save lives and it's gonna make my life way easier.

I swear that's totally the order of importance...


The problem with self driving cars is they'd only be safer if literally every car was one, and no pedestrians were allowed anywhere near a road while they're operational. Otherwise you get the whole "which one should it save" situations they've been talking about. I predict walled highways and roads, with bridges over them for pedestrians, or only usable in very specific locations. Maybe auto-drive will only be allowed on highways and urban roads, and driver controls in suburban areas.
 
2021-01-20 7:57:25 PM  

Herr Morgenstern: Likwit: FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.

That last one is pretty funny, though.

The sooner we get to self-driving cars the better. It will save lives and it's gonna make my life way easier.

I swear that's totally the order of importance...

The problem with self driving cars is they'd only be safer if literally every car was one, and no pedestrians were allowed anywhere near a road while they're operational. Otherwise you get the whole "which one should it save" situations they've been talking about. I predict walled highways and roads, with bridges over them for pedestrians, or only usable in very specific locations. Maybe auto-drive will only be allowed on highways and urban roads, and driver controls in suburban areas.


Somehow you'll still have roads near farmers markets.
 
2021-01-20 8:11:02 PM  

Herr Morgenstern: Likwit: FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.

That last one is pretty funny, though.

The sooner we get to self-driving cars the better. It will save lives and it's gonna make my life way easier.

I swear that's totally the order of importance...

The problem with self driving cars is they'd only be safer if literally every car was one, and no pedestrians were allowed anywhere near a road while they're operational. Otherwise you get the whole "which one should it save" situations they've been talking about. I predict walled highways and roads, with bridges over them for pedestrians, or only usable in very specific locations. Maybe auto-drive will only be allowed on highways and urban roads, and driver controls in suburban areas.


Are you saying that self-driving vehicles are less safe because they *can* decide who to save, in contrast to how it often works right now with Jesus taking the wheel?
 
2021-01-20 8:33:44 PM  

CastIronStove: Herr Morgenstern: Likwit: FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.

That last one is pretty funny, though.

The sooner we get to self-driving cars the better. It will save lives and it's gonna make my life way easier.

I swear that's totally the order of importance...

The problem with self driving cars is they'd only be safer if literally every car was one, and no pedestrians were allowed anywhere near a road while they're operational. Otherwise you get the whole "which one should it save" situations they've been talking about. I predict walled highways and roads, with bridges over them for pedestrians, or only usable in very specific locations. Maybe auto-drive will only be allowed on highways and urban roads, and driver controls in suburban areas.

Are you saying that self-driving vehicles are less safe because they *can* decide who to save, in contrast to how it often works right now with Jesus taking the wheel?


No, I'm saying in those "who to save" situations, it's usually pedestrians or driver operated vehicles that are the problem. If you have a road with nothing but auto-driving cars, they'd be safer because they can focus on just getting from A to B without needing to bother with unforseen random variables.
 
2021-01-20 8:36:48 PM  

Herr Morgenstern: Likwit: FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.

That last one is pretty funny, though.

The sooner we get to self-driving cars the better. It will save lives and it's gonna make my life way easier.

I swear that's totally the order of importance...

The problem with self driving cars is they'd only be safer if literally every car was one, and no pedestrians were allowed anywhere near a road while they're operational. Otherwise you get the whole "which one should it save" situations they've been talking about. I predict walled highways and roads, with bridges over them for pedestrians, or only usable in very specific locations. Maybe auto-drive will only be allowed on highways and urban roads, and driver controls in suburban areas.


Why would that be the case? Even if other humans are operating their vehicles, an autonomous car can still react faster than a human ever could, it can monitor more things around the car than a human can, and it can't get distracted. There are already tons of videos floating about the internet of Mercedes, Teslas, BMWs, whatever, seeing accidents coming stopping the car before the driver realizes. There should never be a "which one should it save" situation because a computer wouldn't drive recklessly enough to get in that situation in the first place.
 
2021-01-20 9:16:06 PM  

Hooker with a Penis: What does Tom Cruise know about making a self driving car.

Don't be glib.


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2021-01-20 9:18:27 PM  

Likwit: Herr Morgenstern: Likwit: FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.

That last one is pretty funny, though.

The sooner we get to self-driving cars the better. It will save lives and it's gonna make my life way easier.

I swear that's totally the order of importance...

The problem with self driving cars is they'd only be safer if literally every car was one, and no pedestrians were allowed anywhere near a road while they're operational. Otherwise you get the whole "which one should it save" situations they've been talking about. I predict walled highways and roads, with bridges over them for pedestrians, or only usable in very specific locations. Maybe auto-drive will only be allowed on highways and urban roads, and driver controls in suburban areas.

Why would that be the case? Even if other humans are operating their vehicles, an autonomous car can still react faster than a human ever could, it can monitor more things around the car than a human can, and it can't get distracted. There are already tons of videos floating about the internet of Mercedes, Teslas, BMWs, whatever, seeing accidents coming stopping the car before the driver realizes. There should never be a "which one should it save" situation because a computer wouldn't drive recklessly enough to get in that situation in the first place.


Again, I think you're misunderstanding me. It's not self-driving cars that I think are the issue, it's literally everyone else. The pedestrians that dart out into the street with no time to spare or the dumbass driver that swerves so suddenly and so close that the car's computer won't have time to safely slam on the breaks. What then? Swerve to the left or right, potentially crashing and causing injury or death to the occupants? Or keep going and injure or kill the pedestrian/other driver? Up until now we've left these decisions in the hands of fallible humans and sorted things out after the fact in a court of law. But now we'll have to either A.) rescind the idea of pedestrian right of way or bar them from roads all together, or B.) decide in advance what the right course of action is and program that into the car. Personally I don't see B happening, so that leaves us with option A.
 
2021-01-20 9:26:23 PM  

Herr Morgenstern: Likwit: Herr Morgenstern: Likwit: FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.

That last one is pretty funny, though.

The sooner we get to self-driving cars the better. It will save lives and it's gonna make my life way easier.

I swear that's totally the order of importance...

The problem with self driving cars is they'd only be safer if literally every car was one, and no pedestrians were allowed anywhere near a road while they're operational. Otherwise you get the whole "which one should it save" situations they've been talking about. I predict walled highways and roads, with bridges over them for pedestrians, or only usable in very specific locations. Maybe auto-drive will only be allowed on highways and urban roads, and driver controls in suburban areas.

Why would that be the case? Even if other humans are operating their vehicles, an autonomous car can still react faster than a human ever could, it can monitor more things around the car than a human can, and it can't get distracted. There are already tons of videos floating about the internet of Mercedes, Teslas, BMWs, whatever, seeing accidents coming stopping the car before the driver realizes. There should never be a "which one should it save" situation because a computer wouldn't drive recklessly enough to get in that situation in the first place.

Again, I think you're misunderstanding me. It's not self-driving cars that I think are the issue, it's literally everyone else. The pedestrians that dart out into the street with no time to spare or the dumbass driver that swerves so suddenly and so close that the car's computer won't have time to safely slam on the breaks. What then? Swerve to the left or right, potentially crashing and causing injury or death to the occupants? Or keep going and injure or kill the pedestrian/other driver? Up until now we've left these decisions in the hands of fallible humans and sorted things out after the fact in a court of law. But now we'll have to either A.) rescind the idea of pedestrian right of way or bar them from roads all together, or B.) decide in advance what the right course of action is and program that into the car. Personally I don't see B happening, so that leaves us with option A.


Why would it have to be that dramatic? Speed limits exist for a reason. In areas where pedestrians walk, an autonomous vehicle wouldn't be going fast enough that it would have to choose between the driver and the pedestrian. Newer systems can keep tabs on pedestrians and cars around the vehicle and they can react far more quickly than a human ever could. I get what you're going for, but it doesn't make sense that those very few edge cares would determine everything. Especially since autonomous cars will be safer than human drivers in 99.99999whatever9 percent of the other situations.

Are you going to ban lettuce because people sometimes get E. coli? There's probably about a million other adjustments you can make surrounding the lettuce that would solve the issue just fine.
 
2021-01-20 9:47:45 PM  
And the cool part is that you can communicate very easily with these cars using the brain-car interface installed as part of the tracking & control chip injected with your coronavirus vaccine.
 
2021-01-20 9:48:34 PM  

Likwit: Herr Morgenstern: Likwit: Herr Morgenstern: Likwit: FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.

That last one is pretty funny, though.

The sooner we get to self-driving cars the better. It will save lives and it's gonna make my life way easier.

I swear that's totally the order of importance...

The problem with self driving cars is they'd only be safer if literally every car was one, and no pedestrians were allowed anywhere near a road while they're operational. Otherwise you get the whole "which one should it save" situations they've been talking about. I predict walled highways and roads, with bridges over them for pedestrians, or only usable in very specific locations. Maybe auto-drive will only be allowed on highways and urban roads, and driver controls in suburban areas.

Why would that be the case? Even if other humans are operating their vehicles, an autonomous car can still react faster than a human ever could, it can monitor more things around the car than a human can, and it can't get distracted. There are already tons of videos floating about the internet of Mercedes, Teslas, BMWs, whatever, seeing accidents coming stopping the car before the driver realizes. There should never be a "which one should it save" situation because a computer wouldn't drive recklessly enough to get in that situation in the first place.

Again, I think you're misunderstanding me. It's not self-driving cars that I think are the issue, it's literally everyone else. The pedestrians that dart out into the street with no time to spare or the dumbass driver that swerves so suddenly and so close that the car's computer won't have time to safely slam on the breaks. What then? Swerve to the left or right, potentially ...


I honestly hope you're right. I don't think you are, but fingers crossed all the same.
 
2021-01-20 9:49:59 PM  
One big issue you going have with self driving cars. Unless A. Fed gov names ever road in the country a fed road and under their control or B. the states name ever road in their states as state roads. Or pass laws saying that towns can't place limits on self driving cars.  It never going happen.

As it is right now ever town/city/village can make their own rules on which roads different types of cars/trucks/etc can drive on.  Or make some roads in their towns 1 way or such.

Its one thing if there is only 1(fed) or 50(states) gov bodies making and changing rules that have to be imputed into the computers for self driving cars. Its another if its ever city/town in the country for example Maine has close to 500 different towns/cities/villages.


If ever town/city/village still has control of their own roads trying to keep the computers updated would be almost impossible.   As well what do you do if some small town decides that self driving cars can't be in their city limits or have to be in manual drive mode(ie a real person driving and not the computer).  Cause you know some smaller cities/towns/villages are going do it.
 
2021-01-20 9:56:38 PM  

keldaria: FaygoMaster: Remember all those "if (technology company) made a car" jokes from 20 years ago?  I didn't realize that they were going to tell the future.

Apple car?  Hurr durr one pedal
Microsoft car?  Hurr durr it crashed
Linux car?  Hurr durr 4 steering wheels and 2 stereos and you have to recompile the muffler.

The real question is will Apple cars let you repair them or will you have to buy the new model every year or so?


Repairs will be same as any other car, but their competitors will get paid shills and brainwashed losers to spread lies online.
 
2021-01-20 10:24:31 PM  
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2021-01-20 10:37:45 PM  
Just wait for the 3d holographic Clippy that will pop up in front of the windshield and move around insistently showing you the car's features because you accidentally pushed the wrong button or spoke the wrong words.

That requires drilling down 5 menus to disable.
 
2021-01-20 11:56:23 PM  
So we can enjoy the microsoft experience whereever we go!

Windows Project Glass: One day too...
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/My car has an embedded microsoft-branded 'smart' display - worse piece of crap ever. I'd pay extra to get a non-microsoft version.
 
2021-01-21 12:45:52 AM  
{gate}$ is in the real estate business now

so like, go and [DO$]omething about it
 
2021-01-21 12:53:55 AM  
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2021-01-21 11:42:37 AM  
Oh, this is hilarious.   Self-driving was a pre-Covid fantasy.  Cars fatalities have been declining for the last several years.   The average age of a car on the road is still around a decade.  Once collision avoidance systems become more common, deaths will drop much more.   What idiot wants to be in a a shared vehicle right now?  Who can afford their own self-driving car?
 
2021-01-21 1:16:26 PM  

Likwit: Why would it have to be that dramatic? Speed limits exist for a reason. In areas where pedestrians walk, an autonomous vehicle wouldn't be going fast enough that it would have to choose between the driver and the pedestrian. Newer systems can keep tabs on pedestrians and cars around the vehicle and they can react far more quickly than a human ever could. I get what you're going for, but it doesn't make sense that those very few edge cares would determine everything. Especially since autonomous cars will be safer than human drivers in 99.99999whatever9 percent of the other situations.


You've clearly never driven for a living if you think people don't randomly step out in front of cars all the time. I honestly think some people want to get hit at non-fatal speeds so they can sue.
 
2021-01-21 2:54:17 PM  
At least we won't have to invent a new word for a sudden, occasionally catastrophic, failure.
 
2021-01-21 4:02:29 PM  

IHadMeAVision: Likwit: Why would it have to be that dramatic? Speed limits exist for a reason. In areas where pedestrians walk, an autonomous vehicle wouldn't be going fast enough that it would have to choose between the driver and the pedestrian. Newer systems can keep tabs on pedestrians and cars around the vehicle and they can react far more quickly than a human ever could. I get what you're going for, but it doesn't make sense that those very few edge cares would determine everything. Especially since autonomous cars will be safer than human drivers in 99.99999whatever9 percent of the other situations.

You've clearly never driven for a living if you think people don't randomly step out in front of cars all the time. I honestly think some people want to get hit at non-fatal speeds so they can sue.


I never said people don't step in front of traffic. I'm saying it won't be the fatal flaw of autonomous driving as the poster above was saying. The latest systems can all recognize people and they'd be able to react far faster than a human ever could. Even if the jumper timed it so the car could do nothing, it would probably brake more than a human driver would be able to in the same situation.
 
2021-01-21 8:07:20 PM  
Makes sense since it's a Mission:Impossible
 
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