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2021-01-20 2:13:53 PM  
Zenimax should be fined for allowing Bethesda to release broken computer games and forcing the people who bought them to figure out how to get them to run.
 
2021-01-20 3:27:18 PM  

Atomic Jonb: Zenimax should be fined for allowing Bethesda to release broken computer games and forcing the people who bought them to figure out how to get them to run.


Hell if we're doing that then it's time to fine every developer who made anything in the 90s.

/what do you mean I need more vram and I need to edit the .bat file?
 
2021-01-20 3:34:45 PM  

Atomic Jonb: Zenimax should be fined for allowing Bethesda to release broken computer games and forcing the people who bought them to figure out how to get them to run.


As long as the fines are paid out to the modders who actually make their jankfests playable.  Those brave souls perform the miracle of polishing turds.
 
2021-01-20 3:44:30 PM  

SamFlagg: Atomic Jonb: Zenimax should be fined for allowing Bethesda to release broken computer games and forcing the people who bought them to figure out how to get them to run.

Hell if we're doing that then it's time to fine every developer who made anything in the 90s.

/what do you mean I need more vram and I need to edit the .bat file?


.bat file?  Oh no - it's config.sys editing, physical card jumpering, and IRQ assignment hockey time
 
2021-01-20 3:58:12 PM  
Some good human stupidity on display here FTA:

1: EU's Digital Single Market rules which prohibit those types of barriers. ~ under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales
+
2: it(value managing steam) only allowed region-locking in specific circumstances like complying with content laws in specific EU member states.
=
oh so it is illegal to have market barriers that restrict use to specific geo-locations, expect when you are legally obligated to restrict use in certain spceiffic geo-lcoaitons.
 
2021-01-20 4:07:35 PM  

PvtStash: Some good human stupidity on display here FTA:

1: EU's Digital Single Market rules which prohibit those types of barriers. ~ under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales
+
2: it(value managing steam) only allowed region-locking in specific circumstances like complying with content laws in specific EU member states.
=
oh so it is illegal to have market barriers that restrict use to specific geo-locations, expect when you are legally obligated to restrict use in certain spceiffic geo-lcoaitons.


This is a tricky one and I'm not a lawtalker, and I've been celebrating today so may be partially intoxicated.  But.  I think the rule is for situations like this, and I'm technically declaring that this is not a Godwin.

But.  Germany has some pretty strict laws about things, (NB. Not German but I think I'm right.) strong laws about the use of Nazi Imagery and the like.    So they Geo-Block the game because there preexisting laws that prohibit the use of some of this.

A reverse example of this, (Because it is bad) are the laws in Russia that 'Prohibit' the 'Normalization or Promotion' of the LGBT communities.  So Russia could say you gotta geo-lock that.

/farkit, I typed it. I'm adding it.
//Re-reading that I don't think even I make sense.
///Fark while intoxicated... not even once.
 
2021-01-20 4:08:44 PM  

DocUi: PvtStash: Some good human stupidity on display here FTA:

1: EU's Digital Single Market rules which prohibit those types of barriers. ~ under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales
+
2: it(value managing steam) only allowed region-locking in specific circumstances like complying with content laws in specific EU member states.
=
oh so it is illegal to have market barriers that restrict use to specific geo-locations, expect when you are legally obligated to restrict use in certain spceiffic geo-lcoaitons.

This is a tricky one and I'm not a lawtalker, and I've been celebrating today so may be partially intoxicated.  But.  I think the rule is for situations like this, and I'm technically declaring that this is not a Godwin.

But.  Germany has some pretty strict laws about things, (NB. Not German but I think I'm right.) strong laws about the use of Nazi Imagery and the like.    So they Geo-Block the game because there preexisting laws that prohibit the use of some of this.

A reverse example of this, (Because it is bad) are the laws in Russia that 'Prohibit' the 'Normalization or Promotion' of the LGBT communities.  So Russia could say you gotta geo-lock that.

/farkit, I typed it. I'm adding it.
//Re-reading that I don't think even I make sense.
///Fark while intoxicated... not even once.


Russia's not part of the EU.
 
2021-01-20 4:14:37 PM  

Atomic Jonb: Zenimax should be fined for allowing Bethesda to release broken computer games and forcing the people who bought them to figure out how to get them to run.


Easy fix.  Use a console like a normal person.
 
2021-01-20 4:18:56 PM  

PvtStash: Some good human stupidity on display here FTA:

1: EU's Digital Single Market rules which prohibit those types of barriers. ~ under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales
+
2: it(value managing steam) only allowed region-locking in specific circumstances like complying with content laws in specific EU member states.
=
oh so it is illegal to have market barriers that restrict use to specific geo-locations, expect when you are legally obligated to restrict use in certain spceiffic geo-lcoaitons.


My very first thought was that there were markets where certain games couldn't be released (like that game that referenced Taiwan as not part of China), or at least the non-market specific version of them, and they needed to geo-block some.  I can see how it could devolve into a cash grab, but you I don't know how you could have it both ways.
 
2021-01-20 4:31:01 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: SamFlagg: Atomic Jonb: Zenimax should be fined for allowing Bethesda to release broken computer games and forcing the people who bought them to figure out how to get them to run.

Hell if we're doing that then it's time to fine every developer who made anything in the 90s.

/what do you mean I need more vram and I need to edit the .bat file?

.bat file?  Oh no - it's config.sys editing, physical card jumpering, and IRQ assignment hockey time


You're an old tech, too, eh?
 
2021-01-20 4:33:14 PM  

emtwo: DocUi: PvtStash: Some good human stupidity on display here FTA:

1: EU's Digital Single Market rules which prohibit those types of barriers. ~ under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales
+
2: it(value managing steam) only allowed region-locking in specific circumstances like complying with content laws in specific EU member states.
=
oh so it is illegal to have market barriers that restrict use to specific geo-locations, expect when you are legally obligated to restrict use in certain spceiffic geo-lcoaitons.

This is a tricky one and I'm not a lawtalker, and I've been celebrating today so may be partially intoxicated.  But.  I think the rule is for situations like this, and I'm technically declaring that this is not a Godwin.

But.  Germany has some pretty strict laws about things, (NB. Not German but I think I'm right.) strong laws about the use of Nazi Imagery and the like.    So they Geo-Block the game because there preexisting laws that prohibit the use of some of this.

A reverse example of this, (Because it is bad) are the laws in Russia that 'Prohibit' the 'Normalization or Promotion' of the LGBT communities.  So Russia could say you gotta geo-lock that.

/farkit, I typed it. I'm adding it.
//Re-reading that I don't think even I make sense.
///Fark while intoxicated... not even once.

Russia's not part of the EU.


No i realize that.   Just couldn't think of better examples.   Hah.   The china Taiwan one from another farker is a better post than mine.
 
2021-01-20 5:09:13 PM  
Gabe Newell can geoblock quite a lot of things. But he's still a hero to me.
 
2021-01-20 5:12:48 PM  

DocUi: PvtStash: Some good human stupidity on display here FTA:

1: EU's Digital Single Market rules which prohibit those types of barriers. ~ under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales
+
2: it(value managing steam) only allowed region-locking in specific circumstances like complying with content laws in specific EU member states.
=
oh so it is illegal to have market barriers that restrict use to specific geo-locations, expect when you are legally obligated to restrict use in certain spceiffic geo-lcoaitons.

This is a tricky one and I'm not a lawtalker, and I've been celebrating today so may be partially intoxicated.  But.  I think the rule is for situations like this, and I'm technically declaring that this is not a Godwin.

But.  Germany has some pretty strict laws about things, (NB. Not German but I think I'm right.) strong laws about the use of Nazi Imagery and the like.    So they Geo-Block the game because there preexisting laws that prohibit the use of some of this.

A reverse example of this, (Because it is bad) are the laws in Russia that 'Prohibit' the 'Normalization or Promotion' of the LGBT communities.  So Russia could say you gotta geo-lock that.

/farkit, I typed it. I'm adding it.
//Re-reading that I don't think even I make sense.
///Fark while intoxicated... not even once.


EU law is above any EU member state local laws (this is explicitly clear), yes this also includes national constitutions, but Germany as the de facto ruler of the EU gets to bend EU law as they see fit.
 
2021-01-20 5:39:04 PM  
Isn't the point that they weren't geoblocking on the grounds of content.  They were geoblocking on the grounds of price.  They wanted to charge one section of the EU a higher price than another section of the EU.


They apparently being third party retailers
 
2021-01-20 5:41:18 PM  
A little related: I had no clue that Steam sale prepaid cards. I seen the guy in front of me at Walgreen's buying one, and I was thinking WTF.
 
2021-01-20 7:33:39 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: Atomic Jonb: Zenimax should be fined for allowing Bethesda to release broken computer games and forcing the people who bought them to figure out how to get them to run.

Easy fix.  Use a console like a normal person.


notsureifserious.jpg

Uh, buddy, the console releases are just as broken as the PC releases, and traditionally have LESS ability to be fixed by mods. (And before Skyrim/FO4, that was ZERO ability to be fixed by mods). Strictly inferior.
 
2021-01-20 7:36:56 PM  
Geo-blocking games? Is that like a Minecraft?
 
2021-01-20 7:41:04 PM  
this is yet another one of those conspiracies that Farkers say don't exist. just like the price fixing conspiracy last year amongst tuna canners in 'murica last year. notice there are fewer labels on the shelf this year than in the past 30 years? that's right. another conspiracy that didn't exist.
 
2021-01-20 7:41:36 PM  

SamFlagg: Atomic Jonb: Zenimax should be fined for allowing Bethesda to release broken computer games and forcing the people who bought them to figure out how to get them to run.

Hell if we're doing that then it's time to fine every developer who made anything in the 90s.

/what do you mean I need more vram and I need to edit the .bat file?


What the fark is HIMEM?
 
2021-01-20 7:42:45 PM  

DocUi: emtwo: DocUi: PvtStash: Some good human stupidity on display here FTA:

1: EU's Digital Single Market rules which prohibit those types of barriers. ~ under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales
+
2: it(value managing steam) only allowed region-locking in specific circumstances like complying with content laws in specific EU member states.
=
oh so it is illegal to have market barriers that restrict use to specific geo-locations, expect when you are legally obligated to restrict use in certain spceiffic geo-lcoaitons.

This is a tricky one and I'm not a lawtalker, and I've been celebrating today so may be partially intoxicated.  But.  I think the rule is for situations like this, and I'm technically declaring that this is not a Godwin.

But.  Germany has some pretty strict laws about things, (NB. Not German but I think I'm right.) strong laws about the use of Nazi Imagery and the like.    So they Geo-Block the game because there preexisting laws that prohibit the use of some of this.

A reverse example of this, (Because it is bad) are the laws in Russia that 'Prohibit' the 'Normalization or Promotion' of the LGBT communities.  So Russia could say you gotta geo-lock that.

/farkit, I typed it. I'm adding it.
//Re-reading that I don't think even I make sense.
///Fark while intoxicated... not even once.

Russia's not part of the EU.

No i realize that.   Just couldn't think of better examples.   Hah.   The china Taiwan one from another farker is a better post than mine.


Australia has a few notable ones as well. There's a lot of countries that have a mix of understandable and insane rules for games and other media content.
 
2021-01-20 7:55:30 PM  

Priapetic: SamFlagg: Atomic Jonb: Zenimax should be fined for allowing Bethesda to release broken computer games and forcing the people who bought them to figure out how to get them to run.

Hell if we're doing that then it's time to fine every developer who made anything in the 90s.

/what do you mean I need more vram and I need to edit the .bat file?

What the fark is HIMEM?


Lol http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=HIMEM
 
2021-01-20 8:46:44 PM  

Quantumbunny: DocUi: emtwo: DocUi: PvtStash: Some good human stupidity on display here FTA:

1: EU's Digital Single Market rules which prohibit those types of barriers. ~ under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales
+
2: it(value managing steam) only allowed region-locking in specific circumstances like complying with content laws in specific EU member states.
=
oh so it is illegal to have market barriers that restrict use to specific geo-locations, expect when you are legally obligated to restrict use in certain spceiffic geo-lcoaitons.

This is a tricky one and I'm not a lawtalker, and I've been celebrating today so may be partially intoxicated.  But.  I think the rule is for situations like this, and I'm technically declaring that this is not a Godwin.

But.  Germany has some pretty strict laws about things, (NB. Not German but I think I'm right.) strong laws about the use of Nazi Imagery and the like.    So they Geo-Block the game because there preexisting laws that prohibit the use of some of this.

A reverse example of this, (Because it is bad) are the laws in Russia that 'Prohibit' the 'Normalization or Promotion' of the LGBT communities.  So Russia could say you gotta geo-lock that.

/farkit, I typed it. I'm adding it.
//Re-reading that I don't think even I make sense.
///Fark while intoxicated... not even once.

Russia's not part of the EU.

No i realize that.   Just couldn't think of better examples.   Hah.   The china Taiwan one from another farker is a better post than mine.

Australia has a few notable ones as well. There's a lot of countries that have a mix of understandable and insane rules for games and other media content.


Australia has understandable media laws?
 
2021-01-20 8:52:18 PM  

Promo Sapien: Gabe Newell can geoblock quite a lot of things. But he's still a hero to me.


You hate the number three too?
 
2021-01-20 10:41:48 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: A little related: I had no clue that Steam sale prepaid cards. I seen the guy in front of me at Walgreen's buying one, and I was thinking WTF.


How is that any different than iTunes gift cards or Play store gift cards.   We give Steam cards as stocking stuffers for our kids.
 
2021-01-20 10:49:34 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Quantumbunny: DocUi: emtwo: DocUi: PvtStash: Some good human stupidity on display here FTA:

1: EU's Digital Single Market rules which prohibit those types of barriers. ~ under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales
+
2: it(value managing steam) only allowed region-locking in specific circumstances like complying with content laws in specific EU member states.
=
oh so it is illegal to have market barriers that restrict use to specific geo-locations, expect when you are legally obligated to restrict use in certain spceiffic geo-lcoaitons.

This is a tricky one and I'm not a lawtalker, and I've been celebrating today so may be partially intoxicated.  But.  I think the rule is for situations like this, and I'm technically declaring that this is not a Godwin.

But.  Germany has some pretty strict laws about things, (NB. Not German but I think I'm right.) strong laws about the use of Nazi Imagery and the like.    So they Geo-Block the game because there preexisting laws that prohibit the use of some of this.

A reverse example of this, (Because it is bad) are the laws in Russia that 'Prohibit' the 'Normalization or Promotion' of the LGBT communities.  So Russia could say you gotta geo-lock that.

/farkit, I typed it. I'm adding it.
//Re-reading that I don't think even I make sense.
///Fark while intoxicated... not even once.

Russia's not part of the EU.

No i realize that.   Just couldn't think of better examples.   Hah.   The china Taiwan one from another farker is a better post than mine.

Australia has a few notable ones as well. There's a lot of countries that have a mix of understandable and insane rules for games and other media content.

Australia has understandable media laws?


Little of column A, little of column B. They have a whole wiki about banned games there.
 
2021-01-20 11:09:14 PM  

Quantumbunny: leeksfromchichis: Quantumbunny: DocUi: emtwo: DocUi: PvtStash: Some good human stupidity on display here FTA:

1: EU's Digital Single Market rules which prohibit those types of barriers. ~ under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales
+
2: it(value managing steam) only allowed region-locking in specific circumstances like complying with content laws in specific EU member states.
=
oh so it is illegal to have market barriers that restrict use to specific geo-locations, expect when you are legally obligated to restrict use in certain spceiffic geo-lcoaitons.

This is a tricky one and I'm not a lawtalker, and I've been celebrating today so may be partially intoxicated.  But.  I think the rule is for situations like this, and I'm technically declaring that this is not a Godwin.

But.  Germany has some pretty strict laws about things, (NB. Not German but I think I'm right.) strong laws about the use of Nazi Imagery and the like.    So they Geo-Block the game because there preexisting laws that prohibit the use of some of this.

A reverse example of this, (Because it is bad) are the laws in Russia that 'Prohibit' the 'Normalization or Promotion' of the LGBT communities.  So Russia could say you gotta geo-lock that.

/farkit, I typed it. I'm adding it.
//Re-reading that I don't think even I make sense.
///Fark while intoxicated... not even once.

Russia's not part of the EU.

No i realize that.   Just couldn't think of better examples.   Hah.   The china Taiwan one from another farker is a better post than mine.

Australia has a few notable ones as well. There's a lot of countries that have a mix of understandable and insane rules for games and other media content.

Australia has understandable media laws?

Little of column A, little of column B. They have a whole wiki about banned games there.


Not only games. they're as puritanical as anyone in some provinces, territories,...  whatever the hell they are divided into.
 
2021-01-21 12:37:51 AM  
Oh shiat, stacker bricked my 40 meg D drive.
 
2021-01-21 1:49:56 AM  

Ziabatsu: Isn't the point that they weren't geoblocking on the grounds of content.  They were geoblocking on the grounds of price.  They wanted to charge one section of the EU a higher price than another section of the EU.


It is. It's to protect lowering prices for poorer countries.  The problem they're trying to curb is retailers buying keys from much cheaper countries and then selling them to rich countries like NA for less than they'd cost.  With the region lock and Steam now demanding you pay with the actual currency of the country, hopefully those living there can continue to game at prices they can afford.  Otherwise, they have to scale prices toward rich countries, and most foreign gamers then opt to buy cheap keys from credit card scams with the risk of getting your game code revoked at a later date (which was always a hazard of grey market vendors), or pirate them.
 
2021-01-21 10:17:03 AM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: Promo Sapien: Gabe Newell can geoblock quite a lot of things. But he's still a hero to me.

You hate the number three too?


I do. Thrice.
 
2021-01-21 12:47:01 PM  
I think the confusion is between geoblocking due to licensing/country laws vs. geoblocking out of of principal.

Frankly, at this point ALL media content should be allowed to have a global license and if a specific country wants something different they would need to pursue that directly with the distributor. Having certain content streamable in country A but not country B because reasons is arbitrary and honestly garbage.
 
2021-01-21 1:44:43 PM  

Capt_Clown: I think the confusion is between geoblocking due to licensing/country laws vs. geoblocking out of of principal.

Frankly, at this point ALL media content should be allowed to have a global license and if a specific country wants something different they would need to pursue that directly with the distributor. Having certain content streamable in country A but not country B because reasons is arbitrary and honestly garbage.


Rights are often country by country.
 
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