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2021-01-20 8:58:48 PM  

anuran: Smackledorfer: I'm tired of "compromising with some of the GOP some of the time" being conflated with giving in to the worst of them on everything.

With the Senate as it is, legislation isn't going forward without compromise. Making perfect the enemy of good is stupid. Only the privileged can afford to play that game. We see it on Fark all the time, when people shiat on Obama or moderates because they don't get their student loans written off or free healthcare, or when they shiat on Pelosi for funding a decent level of quality of care for migrants in USBP custody.

When you do that, you reveal you don't actually care about the needy, the underprivileged, and minority groups. It is selfish, foolish, ignorant, and stupid.

Whenever the Republicans have one more vote than the Democrats the Republicans get everything right away with no debate. Whenever the Democrats have a big enough majority to pass everything they want without even the possibility of a filibuster they start off by giving the Republicans 80% of what they want as an opening bargaining position. The Repulbicans take all of that, don't budge an inch, and demand more. That is how we got into this mess. It is not how we're getting out of it.


Remember when they repealed Obamacare? Oh yea.
 
2021-01-20 8:59:09 PM  

anuran: Smackledorfer: I'm tired of "compromising with some of the GOP some of the time" being conflated with giving in to the worst of them on everything.

With the Senate as it is, legislation isn't going forward without compromise. Making perfect the enemy of good is stupid. Only the privileged can afford to play that game. We see it on Fark all the time, when people shiat on Obama or moderates because they don't get their student loans written off or free healthcare, or when they shiat on Pelosi for funding a decent level of quality of care for migrants in USBP custody.

When you do that, you reveal you don't actually care about the needy, the underprivileged, and minority groups. It is selfish, foolish, ignorant, and stupid.

Whenever the Republicans have one more vote than the Democrats the Republicans get everything right away with no debate. Whenever the Democrats have a big enough majority to pass everything they want without even the possibility of a filibuster they start off by giving the Republicans 80% of what they want as an opening bargaining position. The Repulbicans take all of that, don't budge an inch, and demand more. That is how we got into this mess. It is not how we're getting out of it.


I don't disagree that the GOP is garbage. I simply acknowledge the reality that Dems, much less progressives, don't control everything and have never in my 4 decades.
 
2021-01-20 8:59:24 PM  

Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: I'm tired of "compromising with some of the GOP some of the time" being conflated with giving in to the worst of them on everything.

With the Senate as it is, legislation isn't going forward without compromise. Making perfect the enemy of good is stupid. Only the privileged can afford to play that game. We see it on Fark all the time, when people shiat on Obama or moderates because they don't get their student loans written off or free healthcare, or when they shiat on Pelosi for funding a decent level of quality of care for migrants in USBP custody.

When you do that, you reveal you don't actually care about the needy, the underprivileged, and minority groups. It is selfish, foolish, ignorant, and stupid.

Hmm, now you're speaking for the needy? I'm betting that you aren't one of them.

As someone who's lived my adult life in poverty without healthcare I'm done with these calls for unity with traitors

I've always spoken for the needy. You are welcome to peruse my decade of history here if you are claiming I haven't.

Feel free to link your evidence. Or please admit you are wrong.

Oh I'm sure you probably have always spoken for the needy, looking down from your high horse. That doesn't mean you understand

So you're just another pice of shiat liar here. You moved your goalposts and are still just making shiat up.

Ok then.

I voted Bernie in the last two primaries. I support progressive policies at every opportunity. What is your beef with me here?


My problem was with your original point, that we need to unify and compromise with a fascist party that tried to overthrow us.
 
2021-01-20 8:59:25 PM  

Pecunia non olet: Corvus: Pecunia non olet: Corvus: Bith Set Me Up: Corvus: Repeating the same lie again after it's debunked doesn't make it real

Hasn't stopped you before, status quo-nothing.

Ohh so you admit you are being dishonest.
OK

[Fark user image 624x134]


Weird how you guys get 20% of just Democrats however you keep telling us everyone supports everything you believe.


But I bet if you keep calling others name you will win more over. You won me over. I donated to Sander in 2016 and now (like Sanders) I despise people like you.

I think your point just isn't very believable, honestly. The newer poll seems to override your previous poll, and it doesn't seem unreasonable that Americans would favor Medicare For All in the midst of a historical pandemic and job losses. I mean, you could have gone with "Sure, Americans say they want Medicare for All, but it turns out that those people value 'voting for someone that can beat an incumbent Republican' more." But here we are.

SO the question explains to them what is meant by M4a?

OK THEN SHOW ME THAT IS TRUE!

No. You need to demonstrate that the people polled read "Medicare For All" and instead thought it meant "tax cuts for Republicans", "build a border wall between the U.S. and Canada", "Mike Pence presidency in 2024", or "clown dick pics". Otherwise you want me to accept the premise that words have no meaning.


It did I just read it.


https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ameri​c​as-thinking/494602-poll-69-percent-of-​voters-support-medicare-for-all


It doesn't say it bans private insurance... like I said.


So you never actually read it. You told me I was wrong without even knowing.
 
2021-01-20 9:00:11 PM  

Corvus: You know it's easy to tell the anti-democrat trolls when you color code them and magically they only show up in threads to attack democrats and don't even show up in the other threads to support the issues they supposedly support or attack Republicans.


'Other threads?' Hahaha. You mean the fark leftist rage orgy threads.

You don't dip your toe into the middle of a feeding frenzy!

How is fark going to be able to continue feeding its rage threads now that dipshiate is out?
 
2021-01-20 9:00:19 PM  

Jake Havechek: As long as they can prove they didn't support the insurrection.


By which we mean, you can't be Party to the traitors in any way, shape, or form.

All Conservatives are traitors by simple fact they allied themselves to a traitor that requested help from hostile foreigners thwarting an election the traitor would win.

Every

Last

God-damned

One.
 
2021-01-20 9:00:43 PM  
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I typed a meangful reply to someone who wouldn't read it, so instead have this.
 
2021-01-20 9:01:48 PM  
Babylon 5 - My favorite scenes - Dead...dead....dead
Youtube 0oHtLmjKRbE
 
2021-01-20 9:02:23 PM  

Corvus: spiral_fishcake: This is exactly why I have yet to support Biden - he's promising a return to a status quo that is, frankly, not good enough. It's pathetic that Obama was the best president we've had in my lifetime, but that's really how low the bar has been set. Americans deserve better than thinking Obama was a high point in recent history.

He made 15 huge changes today!

$15/hr minimum wage is now that staus quo?

So then all those "progressives" really wanted the "Status quo all along?


That's exactly what I'm talking about - it's way too little WAY to late. $15 is what minimum wage should have been 20 years ago. It needs to closer to $25 today.
 
2021-01-20 9:03:29 PM  

wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: I'm tired of "compromising with some of the GOP some of the time" being conflated with giving in to the worst of them on everything.

With the Senate as it is, legislation isn't going forward without compromise. Making perfect the enemy of good is stupid. Only the privileged can afford to play that game. We see it on Fark all the time, when people shiat on Obama or moderates because they don't get their student loans written off or free healthcare, or when they shiat on Pelosi for funding a decent level of quality of care for migrants in USBP custody.

When you do that, you reveal you don't actually care about the needy, the underprivileged, and minority groups. It is selfish, foolish, ignorant, and stupid.

Hmm, now you're speaking for the needy? I'm betting that you aren't one of them.

As someone who's lived my adult life in poverty without healthcare I'm done with these calls for unity with traitors

I've always spoken for the needy. You are welcome to peruse my decade of history here if you are claiming I haven't.

Feel free to link your evidence. Or please admit you are wrong.

Oh I'm sure you probably have always spoken for the needy, looking down from your high horse. That doesn't mean you understand

So you're just another pice of shiat liar here. You moved your goalposts and are still just making shiat up.

Ok then.

I voted Bernie in the last two primaries. I support progressive policies at every opportunity. What is your beef with me here?

My problem was with your original point, that we need to unify and compromise with a fascist party that tried to overthrow us.


No, you're two replies were claiming first that I did not speak for the needy in the past, and second that because I'm not poor I don't understand the need help.

If you had an issue with my op, you should replied with a criticism of what I said. You did not.

And now, on your third try, you are claiming I said something I did not, and are strawmanning.

You accuse me of a high horse, but your only argument is your dishonest imagination.
 
2021-01-20 9:04:22 PM  

Corvus: Pecunia non olet: Corvus: Pecunia non olet: Corvus: Bith Set Me Up: Corvus: Repeating the same lie again after it's debunked doesn't make it real

Hasn't stopped you before, status quo-nothing.

Ohh so you admit you are being dishonest.
OK

[Fark user image 624x134]


Weird how you guys get 20% of just Democrats however you keep telling us everyone supports everything you believe.


But I bet if you keep calling others name you will win more over. You won me over. I donated to Sander in 2016 and now (like Sanders) I despise people like you.

I think your point just isn't very believable, honestly. The newer poll seems to override your previous poll, and it doesn't seem unreasonable that Americans would favor Medicare For All in the midst of a historical pandemic and job losses. I mean, you could have gone with "Sure, Americans say they want Medicare for All, but it turns out that those people value 'voting for someone that can beat an incumbent Republican' more." But here we are.

SO the question explains to them what is meant by M4a?

OK THEN SHOW ME THAT IS TRUE!

No. You need to demonstrate that the people polled read "Medicare For All" and instead thought it meant "tax cuts for Republicans", "build a border wall between the U.S. and Canada", "Mike Pence presidency in 2024", or "clown dick pics". Otherwise you want me to accept the premise that words have no meaning.

It did I just read it.


https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americ​as-thinking/494602-poll-69-percent-of-​voters-support-medicare-for-all


It doesn't say it bans private insurance... like I said.


So you never actually read it. You told me I was wrong without even knowing.


All I see is a poll showing that 69% of people support "Medicare For All".
 
2021-01-20 9:05:44 PM  

tfresh: Corvus: You know it's easy to tell the anti-democrat trolls when you color code them and magically they only show up in threads to attack democrats and don't even show up in the other threads to support the issues they supposedly support or attack Republicans.

'Other threads?' Hahaha. You mean the fark leftist rage orgy threads.

You don't dip your toe into the middle of a feeding frenzy!

How is fark going to be able to continue feeding its rage threads now that dipshiate is out?


There it is:
/"TDS but Trump is a dipshiat"
 
2021-01-20 9:06:15 PM  
Gotdamnit. Your, not you're.
 
2021-01-20 9:06:36 PM  

leeksfromchichis: [Fark user image 405x750]

I typed a meangful reply to someone who wouldn't read it, so instead have this.


tbh that image is probably the realest thing in this thread.
 
2021-01-20 9:07:46 PM  

Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: I'm tired of "compromising with some of the GOP some of the time" being conflated with giving in to the worst of them on everything.

With the Senate as it is, legislation isn't going forward without compromise. Making perfect the enemy of good is stupid. Only the privileged can afford to play that game. We see it on Fark all the time, when people shiat on Obama or moderates because they don't get their student loans written off or free healthcare, or when they shiat on Pelosi for funding a decent level of quality of care for migrants in USBP custody.

When you do that, you reveal you don't actually care about the needy, the underprivileged, and minority groups. It is selfish, foolish, ignorant, and stupid.

Hmm, now you're speaking for the needy? I'm betting that you aren't one of them.

As someone who's lived my adult life in poverty without healthcare I'm done with these calls for unity with traitors

I've always spoken for the needy. You are welcome to peruse my decade of history here if you are claiming I haven't.

Feel free to link your evidence. Or please admit you are wrong.

Oh I'm sure you probably have always spoken for the needy, looking down from your high horse. That doesn't mean you understand

So you're just another pice of shiat liar here. You moved your goalposts and are still just making shiat up.

Ok then.

I voted Bernie in the last two primaries. I support progressive policies at every opportunity. What is your beef with me here?

My problem was with your original point, that we need to unify and compromise with a fascist party that tried to overthrow us.

No, you're two replies were claiming first that I did not speak for the needy in the past, and second that because I'm not poor I don't understand the need help.

If you had an issue with my op, you should replied with a criticism of what I said. You did not.

And now, on your third try, you are claiming I said something I did not, and are strawmanning.

You accuse me of a high horse, but your only argument is your dishonest imagination.


I went back and reread that post of yours and it sure seemed to me that your entire point was that we need to compromise with the the Republicans in the Senate.

I'm sorry if you meant something else
 
2021-01-20 9:08:17 PM  

spiral_fishcake: Corvus: spiral_fishcake: This is exactly why I have yet to support Biden - he's promising a return to a status quo that is, frankly, not good enough. It's pathetic that Obama was the best president we've had in my lifetime, but that's really how low the bar has been set. Americans deserve better than thinking Obama was a high point in recent history.

He made 15 huge changes today!

$15/hr minimum wage is now that staus quo?

So then all those "progressives" really wanted the "Status quo all along?

That's exactly what I'm talking about - it's way too little WAY to late. $15 is what minimum wage should have been 20 years ago. It needs to closer to $25 today.


Hello hyperinflation
 
2021-01-20 9:10:01 PM  

austerity101: DoctorCal: Everyone who wants to advance some form of liberal/progressive agenda should be seeking uniform ground, find ways to agree and present a unified force against the inevitable issue by issue opposition.

Is that a controversial statement? Because it seems quite obvious to me.

Yet the opposite always happens here. Somehow all "Democrats" end up fighting like two bugs in a jar that some kid just shook.

Always assuming bad faith from anyone with even a slightly different perspective from you.

Never giving the slightest possibility that you could be moved on your opinion about ANYTHING.

Petty personal attacks.

shiatty little barbs about whatever adolescent insult you've "farkied" people with, what color you have them.

"I have been reliably informed" some cheap, sarcastic misrepresentation of someone else's opinion (while being too much of a god damned coward to actually name names, much less actually be honest about whatever opinion they stated a month ago that you're still rubbing salve on your ass over).

Jesus Poopholefarking Christ you bunch of immature brats. We *just* rid ourselves of ... that thing. Barely captured a tied Senate. Lost ground in the House but still hold a narrow majority. Watched with horror as the alt-right very nearly accomplished God knows what horrors on the legislature. Grow the FARK up and stop the petty, self-important infighting. God. Damn. Assholes.

So what is the "moderate" perspective?  Because I keep asking and I keep not getting answers.  How can we work with people who refuse to state their positions and instead spend all their time telling the progressives why they're being unreasonable?

Seriously, tell me.  Tell me what the moderate policy positions are that are so different from progressive ones that we should find a middle ground.  I'm just not seeing them.  Seriously.  Tell me.


You got me. Maybe it isn't so crucial to catalog the "moderate" position and the "progressive" position, but rather to explore some common ground with the actual humans who are also posting in the thread.

Everyone ought to stop trying to "win" a 5 year-old grudge match, dredging up previous policy statements by this or that pol to try to discredit their "opponents" as being inconsistent or whatever.

You got one answer: a public option. But you refused that because "that's not a centrist position!" So farking what! Why not discuss that possibility in earnest, as if, I don't know, you're on a relatively common "side" who wants to get something done?

Because it's more pleasurable to keep that almond-shaped region of the brain all fired up, scoring points against those big meanies who are actually working some agenda against you.
 
2021-01-20 9:11:41 PM  

wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: I'm tired of "compromising with some of the GOP some of the time" being conflated with giving in to the worst of them on everything.

With the Senate as it is, legislation isn't going forward without compromise. Making perfect the enemy of good is stupid. Only the privileged can afford to play that game. We see it on Fark all the time, when people shiat on Obama or moderates because they don't get their student loans written off or free healthcare, or when they shiat on Pelosi for funding a decent level of quality of care for migrants in USBP custody.

When you do that, you reveal you don't actually care about the needy, the underprivileged, and minority groups. It is selfish, foolish, ignorant, and stupid.

Hmm, now you're speaking for the needy? I'm betting that you aren't one of them.

As someone who's lived my adult life in poverty without healthcare I'm done with these calls for unity with traitors

I've always spoken for the needy. You are welcome to peruse my decade of history here if you are claiming I haven't.

Feel free to link your evidence. Or please admit you are wrong.

Oh I'm sure you probably have always spoken for the needy, looking down from your high horse. That doesn't mean you understand

So you're just another pice of shiat liar here. You moved your goalposts and are still just making shiat up.

Ok then.

I voted Bernie in the last two primaries. I support progressive policies at every opportunity. What is your beef with me here?

My problem was with your original point, that we need to unify and compromise with a fascist party that tried to overthrow us.

No, you're two replies were claiming first that I did not speak for the needy in the past, and second that because I'm not poor I don't understand the need help.

If you had an issue with my op, you should replied with a criticism of what I said. You did not.

And now, on your third try, you are claiming I sai ...


If Joe Manchin is against nearly all Democratic platform positions (except for ramping up Federal response to Covid-19, I guess), then compromise with Republicans like Murkowski and Collins is necessary (they are more left than Manchin) for anything to be accomplished. We can't clap our hands M4A and Policing reform into existence.
 
2021-01-20 9:11:55 PM  

misanthropicsob: SplittingAces: misanthropicsob: (I mean, Biden already did that for the $600 stimulus in December and he wasn't even in office.)

Read your own bullshiat again...carefully.

NYTimes reported that Biden agreed with me.

What's your problem with my statement?


December 1st, that link. Did you stop reading after that?
 
2021-01-20 9:15:28 PM  

wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: I'm tired of "compromising with some of the GOP some of the time" being conflated with giving in to the worst of them on everything.

With the Senate as it is, legislation isn't going forward without compromise. Making perfect the enemy of good is stupid. Only the privileged can afford to play that game. We see it on Fark all the time, when people shiat on Obama or moderates because they don't get their student loans written off or free healthcare, or when they shiat on Pelosi for funding a decent level of quality of care for migrants in USBP custody.

When you do that, you reveal you don't actually care about the needy, the underprivileged, and minority groups. It is selfish, foolish, ignorant, and stupid.

Hmm, now you're speaking for the needy? I'm betting that you aren't one of them.

As someone who's lived my adult life in poverty without healthcare I'm done with these calls for unity with traitors

I've always spoken for the needy. You are welcome to peruse my decade of history here if you are claiming I haven't.

Feel free to link your evidence. Or please admit you are wrong.

Oh I'm sure you probably have always spoken for the needy, looking down from your high horse. That doesn't mean you understand

So you're just another pice of shiat liar here. You moved your goalposts and are still just making shiat up.

Ok then.

I voted Bernie in the last two primaries. I support progressive policies at every opportunity. What is your beef with me here?

My problem was with your original point, that we need to unify and compromise with a fascist party that tried to overthrow us.

No, you're two replies were claiming first that I did not speak for the needy in the past, and second that because I'm not poor I don't understand the need help.

If you had an issue with my op, you should replied with a criticism of what I said. You did not.

And now, on your third try, you are claiming I said something I did not, and are strawmanning.

You accuse me of a high horse, but your only argument is your dishonest imagination.

I went back and reread that post of yours and it sure seemed to me that your entire point was that we need to compromise with the the Republicans in the Senate.

I'm sorry if you meant something else


I never called for unifying with the GOP. You accused me of that.

Are you so farking dishonest that you are moving the goalposts yet again, to defend your third strawman attempt?

I really don't understand the point of that behavior. There is no shortage of trolls and right wingers here if you want someone to attack for being one. Go through your ignore list, remove some of them, and biatch at the people actually saying the things you don't like. Don't put words in my mouth, don't lie about what I say; there is no need for that.

I said with the situation in the Senate progressives are going to have to make compromises. I said nothing about finding unity with fascists. Is that truly so hard for you to understand?

Until Dems get 60 or so senators, and even then if and only if they are all progressives, compromise will be necessary to pass legislation. Do you agree?
 
2021-01-20 9:15:33 PM  

Pecunia non olet: ukexpat: I think he'll find out pretty quickly that all their talk of unity is completel bollocks and that he will have to fight them and fight them hard.

What does he have to lose by not currying favor with the right-leaning Boomers that won't vote for Trump in 2024?


Nothing at all, and I'm sure he'll try. But at the end of the day most of them are "party before country" assholes.
 
2021-01-20 9:16:48 PM  

Pecunia non olet: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: I'm tired of "compromising with some of the GOP some of the time" being conflated with giving in to the worst of them on everything.

With the Senate as it is, legislation isn't going forward without compromise. Making perfect the enemy of good is stupid. Only the privileged can afford to play that game. We see it on Fark all the time, when people shiat on Obama or moderates because they don't get their student loans written off or free healthcare, or when they shiat on Pelosi for funding a decent level of quality of care for migrants in USBP custody.

When you do that, you reveal you don't actually care about the needy, the underprivileged, and minority groups. It is selfish, foolish, ignorant, and stupid.

Hmm, now you're speaking for the needy? I'm betting that you aren't one of them.

As someone who's lived my adult life in poverty without healthcare I'm done with these calls for unity with traitors

I've always spoken for the needy. You are welcome to peruse my decade of history here if you are claiming I haven't.

Feel free to link your evidence. Or please admit you are wrong.

Oh I'm sure you probably have always spoken for the needy, looking down from your high horse. That doesn't mean you understand

So you're just another pice of shiat liar here. You moved your goalposts and are still just making shiat up.

Ok then.

I voted Bernie in the last two primaries. I support progressive policies at every opportunity. What is your beef with me here?

My problem was with your original point, that we need to unify and compromise with a fascist party that tried to overthrow us.

No, you're two replies were claiming first that I did not speak for the needy in the past, and second that because I'm not poor I don't understand the need help.

If you had an issue with my op, you should replied with a criticism of what I said. You did not.

And now, on your third try, you are claiming I sai ...

If Joe Manchin is against nearly all Democratic platform positions (except for ramping up Federal response to Covid-19, I guess), then compromise with Republicans like Murkowski and Collins is necessary (they are more left than Manchin) for anything to be accomplished. We can't clap our hands M4A and Policing reform into existence.


Wow, a sane post from a 2 week old account. That's a rarity around here.

Welcome aboard. :)
 
2021-01-20 9:19:12 PM  

ukexpat: Pecunia non olet: ukexpat: I think he'll find out pretty quickly that all their talk of unity is completel bollocks and that he will have to fight them and fight them hard.

What does he have to lose by not currying favor with the right-leaning Boomers that won't vote for Trump in 2024?

Nothing at all, and I'm sure he'll try. But at the end of the day most of them are "party before country" assholes.


Most is certainly accurate.

Our population of voters is such that elections are so close, and margins so tight, that chasing the few can have results. We would do well not to forget that, despite what many here would claim; that a silent majority of AOC/Warren/Sanders level progressives are out there waiting for a savior on a white horse to run.
 
2021-01-20 9:21:08 PM  

Smackledorfer: Wow, a sane post from a 2 week old account. That's a rarity around here.

Welcome aboard. :)


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-01-20 9:21:42 PM  

edmo: The GOP is calling for "unity." President Biden mentioned "unity" in his speech.

Problem: the GOP thinks "unity" means no prosecutions.


No unity until:
1. Truth
2. Consequences
3. Acceptance of the wrongs done by the Trump administration Republican politicians and their voting block writ large
4. Implementation of reforms for voting, ethics and campaign finance.
5. Reconciliation and public full throated Apologies.

Until then, fark unity.
 
2021-01-20 9:26:10 PM  

Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: wesmon: Smackledorfer: I'm tired of "compromising with some of the GOP some of the time" being conflated with giving in to the worst of them on everything.

With the Senate as it is, legislation isn't going forward without compromise. Making perfect the enemy of good is stupid. Only the privileged can afford to play that game. We see it on Fark all the time, when people shiat on Obama or moderates because they don't get their student loans written off or free healthcare, or when they shiat on Pelosi for funding a decent level of quality of care for migrants in USBP custody.

When you do that, you reveal you don't actually care about the needy, the underprivileged, and minority groups. It is selfish, foolish, ignorant, and stupid.

Hmm, now you're speaking for the needy? I'm betting that you aren't one of them.

As someone who's lived my adult life in poverty without healthcare I'm done with these calls for unity with traitors

I've always spoken for the needy. You are welcome to peruse my decade of history here if you are claiming I haven't.

Feel free to link your evidence. Or please admit you are wrong.

Oh I'm sure you probably have always spoken for the needy, looking down from your high horse. That doesn't mean you understand

So you're just another pice of shiat liar here. You moved your goalposts and are still just making shiat up.

Ok then.

I voted Bernie in the last two primaries. I support progressive policies at every opportunity. What is your beef with me here?

My problem was with your original point, that we need to unify and compromise with a fascist party that tried to overthrow us.

No, you're two replies were claiming first that I did not speak for the needy in the past, and second that because I'm not poor I don't understand the need help.

If you had an issue with my op, you should replied with a criticism of what I said. You did not.

And now, on your third try, you are claiming I said something I did not, and are strawmanning.

You accuse me of a high horse, but your only argument is your dishonest imagination.

I went back and reread that post of yours and it sure seemed to me that your entire point was that we need to compromise with the the Republicans in the Senate.

I'm sorry if you meant something else

I never called for unifying with the GOP. You accused me of that.

Are you so farking dishonest that you are moving the goalposts yet again, to defend your third strawman attempt?

I really don't understand the point of that behavior. There is no shortage of trolls and right wingers here if you want someone to attack for being one. Go through your ignore list, remove some of them, and biatch at the people actually saying the things you don't like. Don't put words in my mouth, don't lie about what I say; there is no need for that.

I said with the situation in the Senate progressives are going to have to make compromises. I said nothing about finding unity with fascists. Is that truly so hard for you to understand?

Until Dems get 60 or so senators, and even then if and only if they are all progressives, compromise will be necessary to pass legislation. Do you agree?


Eh, now we are splitting hairs. Alright, you never said unity.
But you do want compromise while I don't think any Republican in government should be compromised with after what the leader of their party did. That leader, by the way, that they supported wholeheartedly until he lost his coup.

Hell, the Republican voters still support him. Trump left office with a 38% approval rating.
 
2021-01-20 9:26:57 PM  
Before today, everything the President said was "political theater". Now it's "legit total commitment to working with Republicans and somehow not political theater". Okay.
 
2021-01-20 9:28:12 PM  

Pecunia non olet: Before today, everything the President said was "political theater". Now it's "legit total commitment to working with Republicans and somehow not political theater". Okay.


This statement did not come out precisely how I meant it. Putting down the bottle now.
 
2021-01-20 9:30:08 PM  
Is this another rand paul's itchy scrotum reroll?
 
2021-01-20 9:31:52 PM  

wesmon: Eh, now we are splitting hairs. Alright, you never said unity.


My argument was literally "I'm tired of "compromising with some of the GOP some of the time" being conflated with giving in to the worst of them on everything" and you summed it up by claiming I was calling for unity with fascism.

That isn't splitting hairs.

And you couldn't even answer my question about how the Senate works.

Since you referenced my posting history and made a claim about my current status vs ability to care about the needy, would you care to tell me why I'm the metaphorical biatch eating crackers here?

Because you are lying about what I said, lying about my posting history, and making claims about me you cannot back up. If we are at the point where what I type doesn't matter, you'll just replace it with your imagination, let me know right now. We can avoid future conflict very simply.
 
2021-01-20 9:33:59 PM  

Pecunia non olet: leeksfromchichis: [Fark user image 405x750]

I typed a meangful reply to someone who wouldn't read it, so instead have this.

tbh that image is probably the realest thing in this thread.


"I am once again asking for your doujinshi support."
 
2021-01-20 9:34:32 PM  

austerity101: Seriously, tell me. Tell me what the moderate policy positions are that are so different from progressive ones that we should find a middle ground. I'm just not seeing them. Seriously. Tell me.


Well, first of all, Medicare For All is too unrealistic. We need to build upon what we already have. That's why in 2008, Obama and Biden took what we already had (Medicare) and built upon it (made it available For All).

No, wait, scratch that. They dropped Romneycare on Congress like a sack of concrete, to stick it to the cons. The fact that the bill forced Americans by law to give their money to a for-profit insurance company was just a nice bonus.
 
2021-01-20 9:37:12 PM  

SplittingAces: misanthropicsob: SplittingAces: misanthropicsob: (I mean, Biden already did that for the $600 stimulus in December and he wasn't even in office.)

Read your own bullshiat again...carefully.

NYTimes reported that Biden agreed with me.

What's your problem with my statement?

December 1st, that link. Did you stop reading after that?


What's your problem with my statement?
 
2021-01-20 9:51:04 PM  
Well, it's misleading to be kind. Did you, in fact, stop reading the news after December 1st? Context, reality, mean anything to you? Never mind, I already know the answer.
 
2021-01-20 9:59:58 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Bernie Bashers and anti-progressives are always insistent that they totally supported Bernie in 2016 and/or 2020.


There's a correlation between professing prior Bernie love, despite the constant unhinged attacks on his proposals (in addition to childish, personal attacks) and having been "against the Iraq War all along", despite calling the war protestors "Terrorist Sympathizers" in 2002 and 2003.

BlueAnon is accustomed to twisting itself into mental pretzels.
 
2021-01-20 10:00:03 PM  

SplittingAces: Well, it's misleading to be kind. Did you, in fact, stop reading the news after December 1st? Context, reality, mean anything to you? Never mind, I already know the answer.


So...what's your problem with my statement? How is it misleading?
 
2021-01-20 10:01:53 PM  

misanthropicsob: SplittingAces: Well, it's misleading to be kind. Did you, in fact, stop reading the news after December 1st? Context, reality, mean anything to you? Never mind, I already know the answer.

So...what's your problem with my statement? How is it misleading?


Watching BlueAnon struggle with reality is truly stunning.
 
2021-01-20 10:02:57 PM  

hodgemann: Bith Set Me Up: Bernie Bashers and anti-progressives are always insistent that they totally supported Bernie in 2016 and/or 2020.

There's a correlation between professing prior Bernie love, despite the constant unhinged attacks on his proposals (in addition to childish, personal attacks) and having been "against the Iraq War all along", despite calling the war protestors "Terrorist Sympathizers" in 2002 and 2003.

BlueAnon is accustomed to twisting itself into mental pretzels.


Indeed.

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2021-01-20 10:29:15 PM  
Thank you black women, also, the plan is to find unity with these farking Klan members.

shiat eaters eating shiat like a human centipede ouroboros
 
2021-01-20 10:42:52 PM  

edmo: The GOP is calling for "unity." President Biden mentioned "unity" in his speech.

Problem: the GOP thinks "unity" means no prosecutions.


The GOP actually thinks compromise is them getting everything they want and you shutting up about it.

That is not unity, this is just more victim bullying from the assholes that tried to overrun our capital.
 
2021-01-20 10:52:56 PM  

austerity101: All of them resign.
All of them promise never to hold any elected office ever again.
All of them agree to Democratic replacements.
The Republican party is dissolved.
They agree to a constitutional convention, and we re-write the constitution. They are not allowed to have a say in what goes in it.  Not a single (former) Repubican.
Oh, and hefty fines.


Kinda reminds me of the peace terms that started WW1 lol.

Not really disagreeing.
 
2021-01-20 10:56:26 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: hodgemann: Bith Set Me Up: Bernie Bashers and anti-progressives are always insistent that they totally supported Bernie in 2016 and/or 2020.

There's a correlation between professing prior Bernie love, despite the constant unhinged attacks on his proposals (in addition to childish, personal attacks) and having been "against the Iraq War all along", despite calling the war protestors "Terrorist Sympathizers" in 2002 and 2003.

BlueAnon is accustomed to twisting itself into mental pretzels.

Indeed.

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Speaking of my x-wife...
 
2021-01-20 11:59:06 PM  
So Republican want far left solutons... but they also are nazis and racists that you can't talk to.


Got it!!!!
 
2021-01-21 12:19:05 AM  
The posters you're arguing with don't have multiple accounts. A lot of lurkers just don't like you.
 
2021-01-21 12:24:19 AM  

Corvus: misanthropicsob: Note that the people calling for unity with Republicans are the same ones who rail against Medicare For All and deride it as Unpopular.

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This self-own needs more funny votes.
 
2021-01-21 12:42:57 AM  

Corvus: You notice all of these thread 3 people like or 3 people laugh at all the posts and in always the same threads.

It's almost like it's one person has multiples accounts.


...almost


Smarted and funnied
 
2021-01-21 1:17:41 AM  

Weatherkiss: [i.imgur.com image 680x453]

"Unity"


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2021-01-21 4:13:19 AM  
With Biden, you can see how extreme liberalism can create monsters like the children the GOP are. They think they can go to Mommy and just say, "I'm sorry" and there will be no repercussions.
 
2021-01-21 10:13:42 AM  

misanthropicsob: austerity101: Pecunia non olet: austerity101: If there is anything worth working with the Republicans on, I'd love to hear it.

Hell, if there's policy that originates from "moderates and centrists" that is actually worth exploring (and isn't already supported by progressives), I'd love to hear it.

I keep asking, and I keep getting a lot of non-answers.

A public option.

Considering a public option is listed by Jacobin in their list of things Obama failed to support, it seems that this isn't actually a centrist policy, and it's already supported by progressives.

Remember when Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority and couldn't even get the public option?

They still blamed the Republicans.


They didn't they had Manchin and Lieberman blocking, Kennedy dying of cancer, and refusing to seat Franken for nearly a year. They never got it
 
2021-01-21 11:54:36 AM  

Mechanicum: misanthropicsob: austerity101: Pecunia non olet: austerity101: If there is anything worth working with the Republicans on, I'd love to hear it.

Hell, if there's policy that originates from "moderates and centrists" that is actually worth exploring (and isn't already supported by progressives), I'd love to hear it.

I keep asking, and I keep getting a lot of non-answers.

A public option.

Considering a public option is listed by Jacobin in their list of things Obama failed to support, it seems that this isn't actually a centrist policy, and it's already supported by progressives.

Remember when Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority and couldn't even get the public option?

They still blamed the Republicans.

They didn't they had Manchin and Lieberman blocking, Kennedy dying of cancer, and refusing to seat Franken for nearly a year. They never got it


Lieberman was a Democrat at the time.

Joe Manchin wasn't elected until after ACA passed.

Al Franken was seated in 2009 well before the ACA passed.

Get your excuses straight.
 
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