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2021-01-20 9:33:06 AM  
Luckily there won't be a panic...as long as there's still coffee.
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2021-01-20 11:38:02 AM  
Good. They don't do any good sitting on the shelf. They should be administered as fast as possible after they arrive.
 
2021-01-20 11:38:21 AM  
It's Biden's fault.
 
2021-01-20 11:38:24 AM  
Good ? Sounds like they had an effective plan for distribution and are ready to recieve more when available and will be able to administer those quickly also.
 
2021-01-20 11:38:30 AM  
so will New York.
 
2021-01-20 11:39:13 AM  
Good.  Running out means all available doses were given (e.g. we have vaccinated as many people as possible) and it's time to make more.

This strategic stockpile stuff is crazy.

/running out is bad if that means there isn't any new coming in for the 2nd doses
 
2021-01-20 11:39:23 AM  
They're definitely not going to run out of needles.
 
2021-01-20 11:41:08 AM  
My county has gotten 16,000 doses for 1.25 million people. That's not even enough for the 1A folks (healthcare workers, nursing home residents/staff, etc).
 
2021-01-20 11:42:44 AM  
NYC is running out tomorrow.
 
2021-01-20 11:44:23 AM  
Just be sure to wear flowers in your hair.
 
2021-01-20 11:45:32 AM  
Ideally every administration site runs out of it every day. Let's get that shiat outta the icebox and into some deltoids, people
 
2021-01-20 11:47:20 AM  
EVERBODY.....keep doing exactly what you've been doing for slightly longer.
 
2021-01-20 11:47:41 AM  

BigHeadWeb: It's Biden's fault.


Not 'til 12:01 EST
 
2021-01-20 11:48:15 AM  
It's not a big college town.
 
2021-01-20 11:52:58 AM  

snoopy2zero: Good ? Sounds like they had an effective plan for distribution and are ready to recieve more when available and will be able to administer those quickly also.


Not according to the data they've entered.  At all.  They're doing a remarkably shiatty job of that, actually.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/co​v​id-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution​/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&u​tm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Anecdotally, they're governance structure is such that it's causing a lot of vaccines to expire.
 
2021-01-20 11:53:53 AM  
That's good. It shows that all of it is getting into arms. Not having any left tells them to step up production. Use the Defense Act and get this going! LET'S ROLL!
 
2021-01-20 11:56:30 AM  

SoupJohnB: BigHeadWeb: It's Biden's fault.

Not 'til 12:01 EST


Really not until the first 100 days is up. All before that still resides in the Band of Bastards in the Republican side of Congress and the white house
 
2021-01-20 11:58:52 AM  
My parents were concerned about getting the first dose because they didn't know if there was going to be enough vaccine in their area to get the second dose.

What a farking shiatshow rollout. Fark you, Trump admin.
 
2021-01-20 12:12:10 PM  

fiddlehead: My parents were concerned about getting the first dose because they didn't know if there was going to be enough vaccine in their area to get the second dose.

What a farking shiatshow rollout. Fark you, Trump admin.


i mean everything would be better without him, sure, but it's kind of a worldwide struggle to get people vaccinated
 
2021-01-20 12:15:24 PM  

johnny_vegas: fiddlehead: My parents were concerned about getting the first dose because they didn't know if there was going to be enough vaccine in their area to get the second dose.

What a farking shiatshow rollout. Fark you, Trump admin.

i mean everything would be better without him, sure, but it's kind of a worldwide struggle to get people vaccinated


THIS.  The US is actually doing much better than Europe.  Mass vaccinations are never going to go very smoothly.
 
2021-01-20 12:16:40 PM  

snoopy2zero: Good ? Sounds like they had an effective plan for distribution and are ready to recieve more when available and will be able to administer those quickly also.


This. I understand that running out of something is usually not a good thing, but in the case of a node in a delivery system, that's exactly what should happen. It's like saying that your heart is running out of the blood that was delivered to it within the last second.
 
2021-01-20 12:17:58 PM  
We're fifth, at the moment in vaccines per capita.  Behind Israel, the UAE, Bahrain, and the UK.  There have been some concerning reports about the UK's vaccine, but it's hard to tell if it's anti-vaxxer noise or genuine.
 
2021-01-20 12:21:42 PM  

FLMountainMan: snoopy2zero: Good ? Sounds like they had an effective plan for distribution and are ready to recieve more when available and will be able to administer those quickly also.

Not according to the data they've entered.  At all.  They're doing a remarkably shiatty job of that, actually.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/cov​id-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution​/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&u​tm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Anecdotally, they're governance structure is such that it's causing a lot of vaccines to expire.


You know, people are always griping about how free-market solutions (usually called Capitalism or Neoliberalism) are shiatty and unfair, but here's an example of how just auctioning off the vaccine would have distributed it much more quickly resulting in more people vaccinated, saving doses and lives.

/I'm not saying the free-market solution is the best solution
//I'm just saying it's better than this solution.
///Three because I'm pretty sure 75% of Farkers on the Pol-Tab have blocked me.
 
2021-01-20 12:24:09 PM  

fiddlehead: My parents were concerned about getting the first dose because they didn't know if there was going to be enough vaccine in their area to get the second dose.

What a farking shiatshow rollout. Fark you, Trump admin.


They should probably get it anyway. I haven't heard of any hard limit on the maximum interval between doses. It just goes into "well, we haven't tested it so we can't say..." territory.
 
2021-01-20 12:31:59 PM  
That's great news, some other states are having to throw supply away because they can't get people vaccinated fast enough.
 
2021-01-20 12:37:14 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: FLMountainMan: snoopy2zero: Good ? Sounds like they had an effective plan for distribution and are ready to recieve more when available and will be able to administer those quickly also.

Not according to the data they've entered.  At all.  They're doing a remarkably shiatty job of that, actually.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/cov​id-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution​/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&u​tm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Anecdotally, they're governance structure is such that it's causing a lot of vaccines to expire.

You know, people are always griping about how free-market solutions (usually called Capitalism or Neoliberalism) are shiatty and unfair, but here's an example of how just auctioning off the vaccine would have distributed it much more quickly resulting in more people vaccinated, saving doses and lives.

/I'm not saying the free-market solution is the best solution
//I'm just saying it's better than this solution.
///Three because I'm pretty sure 75% of Farkers on the Pol-Tab have blocked me.


Auctioning off doses might make sure they're used, but each dose going into the arm of a first responder or a vulnerable person has an order of magnitude more impact on the ultimate death toll then a dose going to a wealthy person who's not in an at-risk group. This is a perfect case for the market not pricing in an externality, and needing control.

Also, people were going to complain no matter what. The lack of leadership at the Federal level has been a problem, but at the end of the day, millions of doses are being administered while thousands are being wasted. If 16k doses have gone into the trash around the country, that's still a 99.9% success rate.
 
2021-01-20 12:38:20 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Good. They don't do any good sitting on the shelf. They should be administered as fast as possible after they arrive.


Except that official word is that more than enough was distributed free with the federal program. The previous administration only admitted that there wasn't enough to go around after the incoming Biden Administration decided to be more aggressive with what they believed to be the standing inventory.

Trump lied, more people are going to die.
 
2021-01-20 12:44:37 PM  
Good!  Everyone is aware that the US didn't buy enough vaccine for everyone, distribute as much of it as possible.
 
2021-01-20 12:55:09 PM  

Jz4p: Good!  Everyone is aware that the US didn't buy enough vaccine for everyone, distribute as much of it as possible.


If the ones on track to approval make it as expected, it'll be fine.  Would have been more comfortable ordering approved vaccines earlier certainly
 
2021-01-20 12:55:38 PM  
I don't live in San Francisco.

/Do I sound Republican?
 
2021-01-20 1:01:52 PM  
I imagine it will be available to me about the same time I can pick up the new Xbox.
 
2021-01-20 1:03:52 PM  
Thanks Biden!
 
2021-01-20 1:06:00 PM  
Canada is way behind, too.

The Pfizer vaccine can only be made by tech in Germany. They are expanding their production capacity, so Canada has to put a 2 week pause on our vaccinations. The USA is not alone. Although, the USA accellerating their vaccination schedule definitely plays a big role in Pfizer dumping their schedule and screwing up everything. It's a leftover aftershock from Trump farking up the whole world.
 
2021-01-20 1:24:11 PM  
Probably for the best. It's known to cause cancer there anyways. XD
 
2021-01-20 1:26:22 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Good. They don't do any good sitting on the shelf. They should be administered as fast as possible after they arrive.


They aren't being administered as fast as possible. California has only administered about a third of what it's received from the feds, as of the last stats I've seen. They're not getting the vaccine doses to the point of administration, apparently.
 
2021-01-20 1:30:40 PM  

rummonkey: TheGreatGazoo: Good. They don't do any good sitting on the shelf. They should be administered as fast as possible after they arrive.

Except that official word is that more than enough was distributed free with the federal program. The previous administration only admitted that there wasn't enough to go around after the incoming Biden Administration decided to be more aggressive with what they believed to be the standing inventory.

Trump lied, more people are going to die.


That's just not true. There literally is no shortage a vaccine production and distribution. Infants, deliveries double this week. Here is a link to raw data from the CDC for pfizer allocations: https://data.cdc.gov/Vac​cinations/COVI​D-19-Vaccine-Distribution-Allocations-​by-Juris/saz5-9hgg

You can find similar info for moderna.
 
2021-01-20 1:31:04 PM  

jjorsett: TheGreatGazoo: Good. They don't do any good sitting on the shelf. They should be administered as fast as possible after they arrive.

They aren't being administered as fast as possible. California has only administered about a third of what it's received from the feds, as of the last stats I've seen. They're not getting the vaccine doses to the point of administration, apparently.


What I saw early reports of is that they were completely caught off guard by the number of first responders who refused the vaccine (around 40%).  The decision to pivot got bogged down in layers of independent city, county, and state health departments, and waiting for HHS guidance, and as a result a lot of vaccines expired.
 
2021-01-20 1:31:22 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Canada is way behind, too.

The Pfizer vaccine can only be made by tech in Germany. They are expanding their production capacity, so Canada has to put a 2 week pause on our vaccinations. The USA is not alone. Although, the USA accellerating their vaccination schedule definitely plays a big role in Pfizer dumping their schedule and screwing up everything. It's a leftover aftershock from Trump farking up the whole world.


Pfizer is manufactured in michigan.
 
2021-01-20 1:32:11 PM  

Mikeyworld: That's good. It shows that all of it is getting into arms. Not having any left tells them to step up production. Use the Defense Act and get this going! LET'S ROLL!


Using the Defense Production Act presumes there's production capacity that could be bent toward SARS-COV-2 vaccine production. Given the sums of money and urgency involved to incentivize production already, I seriously doubt that that's the case.
 
2021-01-20 1:32:38 PM  

valenumr: Bennie Crabtree: Canada is way behind, too.

The Pfizer vaccine can only be made by tech in Germany. They are expanding their production capacity, so Canada has to put a 2 week pause on our vaccinations. The USA is not alone. Although, the USA accellerating their vaccination schedule definitely plays a big role in Pfizer dumping their schedule and screwing up everything. It's a leftover aftershock from Trump farking up the whole world.

Pfizer is manufactured in michigan.


At the moment, the michigan facility can't export to canada, so canada doe have to get them from Germany.
 
2021-01-20 1:56:16 PM  

johnny_vegas: fiddlehead: My parents were concerned about getting the first dose because they didn't know if there was going to be enough vaccine in their area to get the second dose.

What a farking shiatshow rollout. Fark you, Trump admin.

i mean everything would be better without him, sure, but it's kind of a worldwide struggle to get people vaccinated


Just accept that for the next 20 or so years everything is Trumps fault. Even when you stub your toe 15 yrs from now.... Trumps fault!
 
2021-01-20 2:05:35 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Canada is way behind, too.

The Pfizer vaccine can only be made by tech in Germany. They are expanding their production capacity, so Canada has to put a 2 week pause on our vaccinations. The USA is not alone. Although, the USA accellerating their vaccination schedule definitely plays a big role in Pfizer dumping their schedule and screwing up everything. It's a leftover aftershock from Trump farking up the whole world.


Gee. I wonder if anyone thought about increasing production capacity since the US government preordered 100 million doses last May?

/business got paid
//which is the priority - not vaccinating the public as fast as possible
 
2021-01-20 2:15:39 PM  

valenumr: rummonkey: TheGreatGazoo: Good. They don't do any good sitting on the shelf. They should be administered as fast as possible after they arrive.

Except that official word is that more than enough was distributed free with the federal program. The previous administration only admitted that there wasn't enough to go around after the incoming Biden Administration decided to be more aggressive with what they believed to be the standing inventory.

Trump lied, more people are going to die.

That's just not true. There literally is no shortage a vaccine production and distribution. Infants, deliveries double this week. Here is a link to raw data from the CDC for pfizer allocations: https://data.cdc.gov/Vacc​inations/COVID-19-Vaccine-Distribution​-Allocations-by-Juris/saz5-9hgg

You can find similar info for moderna.


This is the story I was referencing

The last Administration claimed that there was a reserve available and it was only when their hands were forced by the next Administration promising to be more aggressive that they had to admit that there is no Reserve.
 
2021-01-20 2:29:15 PM  

valenumr: Bennie Crabtree: Canada is way behind, too.

The Pfizer vaccine can only be made by tech in Germany. They are expanding their production capacity, so Canada has to put a 2 week pause on our vaccinations. The USA is not alone. Although, the USA accellerating their vaccination schedule definitely plays a big role in Pfizer dumping their schedule and screwing up everything. It's a leftover aftershock from Trump farking up the whole world.

Pfizer is manufactured in michigan.


And in Belgium, which is where Canada's supply is coming from.
 
2021-01-20 2:30:39 PM  

rummonkey: valenumr: rummonkey: TheGreatGazoo: Good. They don't do any good sitting on the shelf. They should be administered as fast as possible after they arrive.

Except that official word is that more than enough was distributed free with the federal program. The previous administration only admitted that there wasn't enough to go around after the incoming Biden Administration decided to be more aggressive with what they believed to be the standing inventory.

Trump lied, more people are going to die.

That's just not true. There literally is no shortage a vaccine production and distribution. Infants, deliveries double this week. Here is a link to raw data from the CDC for pfizer allocations: https://data.cdc.gov/Vacc​inations/COVID-19-Vaccine-Distribution​-Allocations-by-Juris/saz5-9hgg

You can find similar info for moderna.

This is the story I was referencing

The last Administration claimed that there was a reserve available and it was only when their hands were forced by the next Administration promising to be more aggressive that they had to admit that there is no Reserve.


Or you could look at the actual data and see that the cdc has been schedule two types of batches, one three weeks ahead. So this is the first week that the double batches are delivered (deliveries are a week out from allocations). Any type of reserve is just rhetoric, like the social security trust fund. Give it a few more days for data to be reported (not news, data). Only a handful of states have exhausted more than half of their current vaccine supply. And by the way, the article refers only yo the actual doses allocated specifically to the city government of San Fransisco, completely disregarding the allocations to major healthcare providers in the headline.
 
2021-01-20 2:34:03 PM  

valenumr: rummonkey: valenumr: rummonkey: TheGreatGazoo: Good. They don't do any good sitting on the shelf. They should be administered as fast as possible after they arrive.

Except that official word is that more than enough was distributed free with the federal program. The previous administration only admitted that there wasn't enough to go around after the incoming Biden Administration decided to be more aggressive with what they believed to be the standing inventory.

Trump lied, more people are going to die.

That's just not true. There literally is no shortage a vaccine production and distribution. Infants, deliveries double this week. Here is a link to raw data from the CDC for pfizer allocations: https://data.cdc.gov/Vacc​inations/COVID-19-Vaccine-Distribution​-Allocations-by-Juris/saz5-9hgg

You can find similar info for moderna.

This is the story I was referencing

The last Administration claimed that there was a reserve available and it was only when their hands were forced by the next Administration promising to be more aggressive that they had to admit that there is no Reserve.

Or you could look at the actual data and see that the cdc has been schedule two types of batches, one three weeks ahead. So this is the first week that the double batches are delivered (deliveries are a week out from allocations). Any type of reserve is just rhetoric, like the social security trust fund. Give it a few more days for data to be reported (not news, data). Only a handful of states have exhausted more than half of their current vaccine supply. And by the way, the article refers only yo the actual doses allocated specifically to the city government of San Fransisco, completely disregarding the allocations to major healthcare providers in the headline.


I'm really not going to get into a back and forth with you on this. You are looking at CDC data which is the reliable inventory of what has been produced. I am referring to what has been promised to people who don't turn TV access to the CDC data. What was actually produced does not match up with what was promised or distributed. No, that wasn't me by the CDC or manufacturing companies. The last Administration totally comforting lie hoping to not get found out before the next one took over.
 
2021-01-20 2:41:52 PM  

rummonkey: valenumr: rummonkey: valenumr: rummonkey: TheGreatGazoo: Good. They don't do any good sitting on the shelf. They should be administered as fast as possible after they arrive.

Except that official word is that more than enough was distributed free with the federal program. The previous administration only admitted that there wasn't enough to go around after the incoming Biden Administration decided to be more aggressive with what they believed to be the standing inventory.

Trump lied, more people are going to die.

That's just not true. There literally is no shortage a vaccine production and distribution. Infants, deliveries double this week. Here is a link to raw data from the CDC for pfizer allocations: https://data.cdc.gov/Vacc​inations/COVID-19-Vaccine-Distribution​-Allocations-by-Juris/saz5-9hgg

You can find similar info for moderna.

This is the story I was referencing

The last Administration claimed that there was a reserve available and it was only when their hands were forced by the next Administration promising to be more aggressive that they had to admit that there is no Reserve.

Or you could look at the actual data and see that the cdc has been schedule two types of batches, one three weeks ahead. So this is the first week that the double batches are delivered (deliveries are a week out from allocations). Any type of reserve is just rhetoric, like the social security trust fund. Give it a few more days for data to be reported (not news, data). Only a handful of states have exhausted more than half of their current vaccine supply. And by the way, the article refers only yo the actual doses allocated specifically to the city government of San Fransisco, completely disregarding the allocations to major healthcare providers in the headline.

I'm really not going to get into a back and forth with you on this. You are looking at CDC data which is the reliable inventory of what has been produced. I am referring to what has been promised to people who don't turn TV access to the CDC data. What was actually produced does not match up with what was promised or distributed. No, that wasn't me by the CDC or manufacturing companies. The last Administration totally comforting lie hoping to not get found out before the next one took over.


Perhaps consider that the media is just trying to show FUD over the whole process. It really is just fine. States know exactly what their allocations are, they are getting what is promised. Barring any production hiccups, those numbers will only increase fairly quickly. Sure, they only "know" what they are going to get a week out, but you can see there isn't a substantial fluctuation in any of the numbers.
 
2021-01-20 2:42:52 PM  
Who cares about the data, what about my feelings!?
 
2021-01-20 2:48:56 PM  

valenumr: Perhaps consider that the media is just trying to show FUD over the whole process. It really is just fine. States know exactly what their allocations are, they are getting what is promised. Barring any production hiccups, those numbers will only increase fairly quickly. Sure, they only "know" what they are going to get a week out, but you can see there isn't a substantial fluctuation in any of the numbers.


Pretty much. If it were a federal problem, then why are some states doing a great job and some a terrible job?  Obviously scale has a bit to do with it - West Virginia and the Dakotas are leading the pack.  But governance is an issue.  Georgia and California are doing awful, and likely for the same reasons.  Florida and Texas are middle of the pack.  Georgia has almost three hundred counties - which bogs down the process.  California has a lot fewer counties, but a large and fragmented state and local bureacracy
 
2021-01-20 2:57:18 PM  

FLMountainMan: valenumr: Perhaps consider that the media is just trying to show FUD over the whole process. It really is just fine. States know exactly what their allocations are, they are getting what is promised. Barring any production hiccups, those numbers will only increase fairly quickly. Sure, they only "know" what they are going to get a week out, but you can see there isn't a substantial fluctuation in any of the numbers.

Pretty much. If it were a federal problem, then why are some states doing a great job and some a terrible job?  Obviously scale has a bit to do with it - West Virginia and the Dakotas are leading the pack.  But governance is an issue.  Georgia and California are doing awful, and likely for the same reasons.  Florida and Texas are middle of the pack.  Georgia has almost three hundred counties - which bogs down the process.  California has a lot fewer counties, but a large and fragmented state and local bureacracy


Doing pretty bad here in Hawaii too, but starting phase 1c next week anyway. My parent in SC and my in-laws in PA are also already scheduled (mom actually got her first yesterday).
 
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