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(Giant Freakin Robot)   Jonathan Frakes explains why he quit acting after Star Trek: "I think I definitely made the right decision to pursue directing....I like it better, and I'm better at directing than acting"   (giantfreakinrobot.com) divider line
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2021-01-20 4:02:52 AM  
Back when TNG aired for the first time, my girl-friend pointed at Riker and said "That's how people stand when they have a carrot shoved up their arse."
 
2021-01-20 5:18:35 AM  
He could hardly be worse.
 
2021-01-20 5:34:23 AM  
Thunderbirds are Go was actually pretty okay, plus it introduced a younger me to a younger Vanessa Hudgens. All good.
 
2021-01-20 5:46:07 AM  
Yeah, I love the guy and he's a pretty good director, and I like Riker, Frakes is just such a nice genuine dude, but seriously it's inexplicable why he was cast, there had to be somebody that auditioned that could act
 
2021-01-20 5:54:23 AM  

DrowningLessons: Yeah, I love the guy and he's a pretty good director, and I like Riker, Frakes is just such a nice genuine dude, but seriously it's inexplicable why he was cast, there had to be somebody that auditioned that could act


Well, he mostly just had to make out with women who were wearing facial prosthetics..
 
2021-01-20 6:14:38 AM  

Alphax: DrowningLessons: Yeah, I love the guy and he's a pretty good director, and I like Riker, Frakes is just such a nice genuine dude, but seriously it's inexplicable why he was cast, there had to be somebody that auditioned that could act

Well, he mostly just had to make out with women who were wearing facial prosthetics..


And they probably didn't have to pay him very much.
 
2021-01-20 6:18:38 AM  

NOLAhd: Alphax: DrowningLessons: Yeah, I love the guy and he's a pretty good director, and I like Riker, Frakes is just such a nice genuine dude, but seriously it's inexplicable why he was cast, there had to be somebody that auditioned that could act

Well, he mostly just had to make out with women who were wearing facial prosthetics..

And they probably didn't have to pay him very much.


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2021-01-20 6:24:46 AM  
It took Frakes a while to get used to directing. The hardest part was figuring out how to sit backwards on one of these chairs
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2021-01-20 6:24:51 AM  

Bob Down: Back when TNG aired for the first time, my girl-friend pointed at Riker and said "That's how people stand when they have a carrot shoved up their arse."


That says a bit more about your girlfriend for knowing that than it does about Frakes.
 
2021-01-20 6:30:31 AM  
Its because he is a fat load.
 
2021-01-20 6:34:54 AM  
I honestly didn't even notice his acting, but maybe I don't expect much from actors on Star Trek?

The original Star Trek is not exactly jam packed with Shakespearean talent.
 
2021-01-20 6:38:35 AM  
The only other acting I can think of him doing offhand was his voicework in Gargoyles.. which I didn't watch that much of.
 
2021-01-20 6:40:06 AM  

Bob Down: Back when TNG aired for the first time, my girl-friend pointed at Riker and said "That's how people stand when they have a carrot shoved up their arse."


I'd avoid eating any of the carrots in the fridge.
 
2021-01-20 6:43:02 AM  
Because no one brings up Alien Autopsy Fact or Fiction when he is directing

/the US version had the alien's junk blurred out lest anyone be compelled to fap to it.  In Europe you got to see alien coochy
 
2021-01-20 6:53:28 AM  
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2021-01-20 6:59:49 AM  

PaulRB: I honestly didn't even notice his acting, but maybe I don't expect much from actors on Star Trek?

The original Star Trek is not exactly jam packed with Shakespearean talent.


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In fact Shatner's Mark Anthony was very well regarded.
 
2021-01-20 7:02:11 AM  
Acting: good foil and balance for Picard
Director: you do you, Janathan dude
 
2021-01-20 7:05:31 AM  
His acting in Star Trek wasn't great, but he was very handsome back then.
 
2021-01-20 7:15:38 AM  

Bob Down: Back when TNG aired for the first time, my girl-friend pointed at Riker and said "That's how people stand when they have a carrot shoved up their arse."


he was told to never smile. It was direction, not the actor's choice. He was not a bad actor, it was just he was working with great actors, and he is honest about it.
 
2021-01-20 7:22:43 AM  
He had some "Fact or Fiction" show for a while on a Sci Fi channel.
 
2021-01-20 7:26:46 AM  

DrowningLessons: Yeah, I love the guy and he's a pretty good director, and I like Riker, Frakes is just such a nice genuine dude, but seriously it's inexplicable why he was cast, there had to be somebody that auditioned that could act


He wasn't their first choice. Billy Campbell was supposed to be Riker but apparently he tested so badly they had to shelve him. He was given the Okona character instead.
 
2021-01-20 7:38:16 AM  
Jonathan Frakes Asks You Things (drunk)
Youtube 5uC8mRy2p9w
 
2021-01-20 7:40:35 AM  

DrowningLessons: Yeah, I love the guy and he's a pretty good director, and I like Riker, Frakes is just such a nice genuine dude, but seriously it's inexplicable why he was cast, there had to be somebody that auditioned that could act


He was willing to jump into a tub of black ink-filled metamucil.

That's why.
 
2021-01-20 7:51:38 AM  
Everyone in the cast of TNG excelled at one thing and it's really a central quality to creating immersion into the universe of the show.

They could all deliver technobabble convincingly.

Neither Brent Spiner nor Patrick Stewart could tell you what a type L or type R phase discriminating amplifier was if you held a gun to their head but they could make you believe that their characters knew.

Star Trek TNG Type R?!?
Youtube h4idB5KAfyc
 
2021-01-20 7:53:29 AM  

Snapper Carr: Everyone in the cast of TNG excelled at one thing and it's really a central quality to creating immersion into the universe of the show.

They could all deliver technobabble convincingly.

Neither Brent Spiner nor Patrick Stewart could tell you what a type L or type R phase discriminating amplifier was if you held a gun to their head but they could make you believe that their characters knew.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/h4idB5KA​fyc]


And here is Oscar winning actress Geneviève Bujold  demonstrating what happens when you're not comfortable with nonsense dialog

First Captain Janeway Complete
Youtube 8SIZcDWKyw0
 
2021-01-20 7:58:24 AM  

Bob Down: Back when TNG aired for the first time, my girl-friend pointed at Riker and said "That's how people stand when they have a carrot shoved up their arse."


He stands how he stands because of a (pre-acting) job related back injury.
 
2021-01-20 8:01:31 AM  
Watching the Picard series I realized what I really wanted was a Riker series.

/and who knows, maybe S2 of Lower Decks is gonna give me more Riker!
 
2021-01-20 8:06:56 AM  
Speaking of acting in science fiction, Shohreh Aghdashloo's portrayal of Avasarala's grief in the scene where she is trying to leave a message for her husband when the new UN Secretary General pops in, deserves an award.

She's really kicking ass in that role.
 
2021-01-20 8:11:01 AM  
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2021-01-20 8:15:28 AM  
The only other thing I've seen him on is Camp Nowhere
He was wearing what looked to be a very comfortable pair of pants. And that's basically all I can remember from his role.
 
2021-01-20 8:21:10 AM  

Alphax: The only other acting I can think of him doing offhand was his voicework in Gargoyles.. which I didn't watch that much of.


Marina Sirtis (Troi) and Michael Dorn (Worf) were also regular cast members of that show.
 
2021-01-20 8:27:49 AM  

DrowningLessons: Yeah, I love the guy and he's a pretty good director, and I like Riker, Frakes is just such a nice genuine dude, but seriously it's inexplicable why he was cast, there had to be somebody that auditioned that could act


Here's a memo to a Paramount exec listening who was being considered for the major roles in ST:TNG:

https://lettersofnote.com/2010/08/25/​s​tar-trekcasting/

As you can see, the leading candidate for RIker (spelled "Ryker" in this memo) at that point was Michael O'Gorman, though Frakes is on the list.

I don't know enough about O'Gorman to know how that would have gone.
 
2021-01-20 8:30:29 AM  

jake_lex: DrowningLessons: Yeah, I love the guy and he's a pretty good director, and I like Riker, Frakes is just such a nice genuine dude, but seriously it's inexplicable why he was cast, there had to be somebody that auditioned that could act

Here's a memo to a Paramount exec listening who was being considered for the major roles in ST:TNG:

https://lettersofnote.com/2010/08/25/s​tar-trekcasting/

As you can see, the leading candidate for RIker (spelled "Ryker" in this memo) at that point was Michael O'Gorman, though Frakes is on the list.

I don't know enough about O'Gorman to know how that would have gone.


It would have been interesting to see Rosalind Chao (who would later play Keiko) as Tasha and Denise Crosby as Troi.
 
XSV
2021-01-20 8:32:47 AM  
As someone who's been rewatching TNG, I'm getting a kick. . . .

I'm still surprised the Riker maneuver wasn't more documented

Riker sits down
Youtube lVIGhYMwRgs
 
2021-01-20 8:32:59 AM  

freakingmoron: It took Frakes a while to get used to directing. The hardest part was figuring out how to sit backwards on one of these chairs
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Probably easier to throw your leg over it if you're not wearing spandex, so there's that

Riker sits down
Youtube lVIGhYMwRgs


/Glad I'm an average-sized human
 
2021-01-20 8:34:20 AM  

KingBiefWhistle: DrowningLessons: Yeah, I love the guy and he's a pretty good director, and I like Riker, Frakes is just such a nice genuine dude, but seriously it's inexplicable why he was cast, there had to be somebody that auditioned that could act

He wasn't their first choice. Billy Campbell was supposed to be Riker but apparently he tested so badly they had to shelve him. He was given the Okona character instead.


Oh that's damn funny.  Okona was by all accounts in the top 2 insufferable characters on any ST show (Pulaski being the first). He's an off-brand Han Solo impersonator knock-off. Yes I realize that's a fourth tier Solo, and that comes across as a farkin compliment because I couldn't think of another level of failure.
My gods what an utter disaster of an episode. FFS Joe Piscopo was the "funniest man that ever lived"? Really? I've got no idea what kind of drugs they gave Spiner to act how he did in that episode.
 
2021-01-20 8:35:55 AM  

Bslim: The only other thing I've seen him on is Camp Nowhere
He was wearing what looked to be a very comfortable pair of pants. And that's basically all I can remember from his role.


He was in an episode of The Waltons where he plays a naval officer and manages to get it on with one of the Walton girls.

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2021-01-20 8:40:08 AM  

Bob Down: Back when TNG aired for the first time, my girl-friend pointed at Riker and said "That's how people stand when they have a carrot shoved up their arse."


His back is SCREWED from when he was a mover. That's why he swings his leg over the chair. Easier for multiple takes.
 
2021-01-20 8:46:59 AM  

turboke: Bob Down: Back when TNG aired for the first time, my girl-friend pointed at Riker and said "That's how people stand when they have a carrot shoved up their arse."

He stands how he stands because of a (pre-acting) job related back injury.


It's also why he would sit down by lifting his leg over the back of the chairs.

He did a number on his back many years before getting the job on TNG, and sitting normally was excruciating for him.
 
2021-01-20 8:57:00 AM  

Bob Down: Back when TNG aired for the first time, my girl-friend pointed at Riker and said "That's how people stand when they have a carrot shoved up their arse."


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2021-01-20 9:03:07 AM  

Snapper Carr: Snapper Carr: Everyone in the cast of TNG excelled at one thing and it's really a central quality to creating immersion into the universe of the show.

They could all deliver technobabble convincingly.

Neither Brent Spiner nor Patrick Stewart could tell you what a type L or type R phase discriminating amplifier was if you held a gun to their head but they could make you believe that their characters knew.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/h4idB5KA​fyc]

And here is Oscar winning actress Geneviève Bujold  demonstrating what happens when you're not comfortable with nonsense dialog

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She also did not like the demands of episodic television. The 14 hour shooting schedules got to her and she wanted out after a couple weeks anyway.
 
2021-01-20 9:06:52 AM  

The_Sponge: Bob Down: Back when TNG aired for the first time, my girl-friend pointed at Riker and said "That's how people stand when they have a carrot shoved up their arse."

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Fark needs a 'gross' button.
 
2021-01-20 9:08:21 AM  

Gramma: The_Sponge: Bob Down: Back when TNG aired for the first time, my girl-friend pointed at Riker and said "That's how people stand when they have a carrot shoved up their arse."

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Fark needs a 'gross' button.


Lulz.

I'm pretty sure that's just mud.

/I hope it's mud.
 
2021-01-20 9:11:12 AM  

PaulRB: I honestly didn't even notice his acting, but maybe I don't expect much from actors on Star Trek?

The original Star Trek is not exactly jam packed with Shakespearean talent.


You didn't see Shatner's one man Julius Caesar.

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2021-01-20 9:13:38 AM  

Aezetyr: Oh that's damn funny. Okona was by all accounts in the top 2 insufferable characters on any ST show (Pulaski being the first). He's an off-brand Han Solo impersonator knock-off. Yes I realize that's a fourth tier Solo, and that comes across as a farkin compliment because I couldn't think of another level of failure.


He was literally the epitome of the mary sue trope, common in so much Trek fan fiction back then: New author-insert crew member shows up and dazzles everyone with their intelligence and wit and just plain awesomeness at everything: Out-logics Spock, solves Scotty's engine problem, introduces new medical procedure for Bones, and (if female) beds Kirk. Best sex he ever had.

A lot of "wow, what a guy" aw shucks type dialogue and "I never thought about it that way" reactions from the crew.

Fan fiction is full of wish fulfillment fantasy crap.

Aezetyr: My gods what an utter disaster of an episode. FFS Joe Piscopo was the "funniest man that ever lived"? Really?


Oh come on, that "Tip O'Neil in a dress" joke slaps. It's gold, Jerry. Timeless!
 
2021-01-20 9:19:41 AM  
PaulRB:

I think being opposite a Shakespearian actor for a few years puts ones talents into focus as an actor.
 
2021-01-20 9:26:42 AM  

PaulRB: I honestly didn't even notice his acting, but maybe I don't expect much from actors on Star Trek?

The original Star Trek is not exactly jam packed with Shakespearean talent.


On top of that, NuTrek and Discovery have plenty of great actors. Picard has the Shakespearean talent himself. Those offerings still range from mediocre to awful.
 
2021-01-20 9:41:21 AM  
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2021-01-20 9:59:15 AM  

Ishkur: Aezetyr: Oh that's damn funny. Okona was by all accounts in the top 2 insufferable characters on any ST show (Pulaski being the first). He's an off-brand Han Solo impersonator knock-off. Yes I realize that's a fourth tier Solo, and that comes across as a farkin compliment because I couldn't think of another level of failure.

He was literally the epitome of the mary sue trope, common in so much Trek fan fiction back then: New author-insert crew member shows up and dazzles everyone with their intelligence and wit and just plain awesomeness at everything: Out-logics Spock, solves Scotty's engine problem, introduces new medical procedure for Bones, and (if female) beds Kirk. Best sex he ever had.

A lot of "wow, what a guy" aw shucks type dialogue and "I never thought about it that way" reactions from the crew.

Fan fiction is full of wish fulfillment fantasy crap.

Aezetyr: My gods what an utter disaster of an episode. FFS Joe Piscopo was the "funniest man that ever lived"? Really?

Oh come on, that "Tip O'Neil in a dress" joke slaps. It's gold, Jerry. Timeless!


Also see:

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2021-01-20 10:07:15 AM  

XSV: As someone who's been rewatching TNG, I'm getting a kick. . . .

I'm still surprised the Riker maneuver wasn't more documented

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/lVIGhYMw​Rgs]


*Shakes normal-sized fist*
 
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