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2021-01-19 3:30:37 PM  
Took advantage of Arizona's speed limit craziness to get out of there as fast as I could after George the Lesser was reelected
 
2021-01-19 4:41:32 PM  
I grew up in Nevada, and they did that there after the feds pressured the states to impose a 55-mph nationwide speed limit or face a loss of federal highway funds.

Prior to that, there was no posted speed limit on Nevada highways--unless posted otherwise, the official speed limit was "Reasonable and Proper," which meant that you wouldn't get pulled over for speeding unless a cop determined that your speed was reckless, which as a practical matter meant that on open roads anything under 100 mph was just fine.  So suddenly having to drop from 100 mph to 55 mph when driving on totally empty highways for hundreds of miles was a bit of a culture shock.

The solution they arrived at was that anything between 55 and, I don't recall, maybe 70 or 75 would not result in a speeding ticket but rather could be cited as "energy wasting."  The fine was $25 or something and did not result in points or a moving violation on ones record, so it wasn't even enforced (unless the cop just wanted to be a dick, or the person was driving while black, or had California plates on their car, or something like that).
 
2021-01-19 5:21:57 PM  
I routinely drive 85 or 90 on the Interstate in AZ. (posted speed limit is 75) The vast majority of fellow drivers do the same. The police will pull over the vehicle driving faster than all other traffic. I'm not certain what this proposed law would do exactly but I don't see it changing the driving habits of anyone on the interstate.
 
2021-01-19 5:23:22 PM  
Wasting a finite resource?  What if I'm going 85 in a Tesla?
 
2021-01-19 5:23:53 PM  
$1 for 90 days or $68 a year to read an Arizona newspaper?

Sorry subby.
 
2021-01-19 5:24:15 PM  
But I thought the speed limit signs are the minimum limit?
 
2021-01-19 5:24:31 PM  
gtfo of here.
if i get pulled over for doing 70 in a 65 and the trooper decides to be "nice enough" to just write me a ticket for wasting finite resources, i'm probably going to end up as the next "video du jour" on here

a cop using anything under 10mph over the limit as an excuse to pull you over either had a hardon for messing with you, was having a crap day, or is looking to make quota
 
2021-01-19 5:25:22 PM  

patowen: Wasting a finite resource?  What if I'm going 85 in a Tesla?


You're still wasting electrons. That range will drop Elon.
 
2021-01-19 5:26:34 PM  
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2021-01-19 5:26:44 PM  
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Man who just found out they refused to make his personalized "MUFDVR" license plate.
 
2021-01-19 5:27:24 PM  
Article is behind a paywall.
 
2021-01-19 5:27:40 PM  

patowen: Wasting a finite resource?  What if I'm going 85 in a Tesla?


Where did the electricity come from?

/hint: even solar panels and the insulation on the wire that you use to plug it in are made from finite resources
 
2021-01-19 5:29:36 PM  
Heh...drive in Montana...I swear the avg speed limit is 75mph.

It's a good and bad thing. Good when you're in the middle of nowhere and the roads and weather are good. Bad
when there are 1000's of baby boomers in RV's, pulling boats, etc... and they pull out in front of you on a narrow road.
 
2021-01-19 5:31:45 PM  
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2021-01-19 5:32:19 PM  
Here in the Hampton Roads region of Virginia, the posted speed limit signage...just about everywhere, isn't just the maximum, it's the MINIMUM speed that drivers drive at!  If anyone drives the posted limit, they're essentially impeding the flow of traffic.  Everyone is hurry, hurry, HURRY to get no particular place fast.

/It's all over the place, probably in your neck of the woods too!
 
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2021-01-19 5:40:32 PM  

RogermcAllen: patowen: Wasting a finite resource?  What if I'm going 85 in a Tesla?

Where did the electricity come from?

/hint: even solar panels and the insulation on the wire that you use to plug it in are made from finite resources


Finite in what way?  On Earth?  Sure.  But where I'm mining, finite is only defined by how close I can reach the speed of light... while not colliding with an asteroid or five.
 
2021-01-19 5:45:46 PM  
Not joining your blog subby
 
2021-01-19 5:47:13 PM  

RogermcAllen: patowen: Wasting a finite resource?  What if I'm going 85 in a Tesla?

Where did the electricity come from?

/hint: even solar panels and the insulation on the wire that you use to plug it in are made from finite resources


Well they're working pretty hard to collect me sunlight, so those resources aren't wasted.
 
2021-01-19 5:49:04 PM  

litespeed74: Heh...drive in Montana...I swear the avg speed limit is 75mph.

It's a good and bad thing. Good when you're in the middle of nowhere and the roads and weather are good. Bad
when there are 1000's of baby boomers in RV's, pulling boats, etc... and they pull out in front of you on a narrow road.


I used to live in Montana, and they used to have a similar law: "wasting resources: 5$" and you were on your way.

These laws might backfire on folks - I'm assuming that proponents are climate deniers and not big on alternative energy. But right there in the law, it says "finite resource" so... eh, logical consistency is overrated.
 
2021-01-19 5:49:28 PM  
Back in the 80's, weekend trip in New Mexico.  Middle of nowhere, I'm doing 70-80 mph (this was the age of Jimmy Carter's 55 mph), passed a cop.  Slowed down, he u-turned, pulled me over, and gave me a ticket.  Turned out he had radar that could see how fast I was going.

Think it cost me $10 but it sure as hell pissed me off.  I mean, there was neither a car or a turn on the road for miles.
 
2021-01-19 5:52:08 PM  
My friend got the 'Wasting finite resources' ticket in his Prius.
 
2021-01-19 5:52:59 PM  
When I lived in Arizona in the early 90s, there were in-between routes in the middle of butt farking nowhere with speeds my 3cyl geo couldn't even get up to with 2 people in the car. At least I think... the speedometer only went to 80.
 
2021-01-19 5:56:14 PM  

patowen: Wasting a finite resource?  What if I'm going 85 in a Tesla?


That would depend on the source of the Electric power used to charge the Vehicle? Nuke, Solar, Coal, Hydro electric??
 
2021-01-19 5:58:36 PM  
"Offer not valid on I40 while in Coconino county and definitely not in Flagstaff"
 
2021-01-19 6:02:08 PM  
AZ speed limits....about a decade ago I was driving a car with my wife, downtown phoenix, and weeks later we got a photo ticket from DMV.  a picture of 'me', speeding.

Problem:  ticket was addressed to my wife.

the ticket had options: (1) pay it now no points (2) request trial date and points to license, (3) take diversion class, (4) "if you are not the driver pictured, let us know".

i told her, "you can lawfully assert option (4).  You were not driving."  "but........is that legit?"  "Yes!  The government has accused you of violating traffic laws, but....it wasn't you."
 
2021-01-19 6:02:22 PM  

patowen: Wasting a finite resource?  What if I'm going 85 in a Tesla?


Or 88 MPH in a Delorean?

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2021-01-19 6:03:19 PM  
Montana used to not have a daytime speed limit. The sign at the pass crossing into Montana from Idaho (I-90) said "Reasonable and Prudent". At the time I had a 88 Firebird Formula 350 with Z rated tires. I averaged 120mph between the border and Missoula.
Good times!
 
2021-01-19 6:15:30 PM  

Snotnose: Middle of nowhere, I'm doing 70-80 mph (this was the age of Jimmy Carter's 55 mph),


Jimmy Carter had nothing to do with the 55 mph speed limit
 
2021-01-19 6:16:02 PM  

RogermcAllen: patowen: Wasting a finite resource?  What if I'm going 85 in a Tesla?

Where did the electricity come from?

/hint: even solar panels and the insulation on the wire that you use to plug it in are made from finite resources


And the sun only has several billion years worth of hydrogen to fuse.
 
2021-01-19 6:20:45 PM  
Let's be real, the speed limit almost everywhere is a suggestion, unless you look like someone the cops want to pull over.
 
2021-01-19 6:29:20 PM  

dark brew: Snotnose: Middle of nowhere, I'm doing 70-80 mph (this was the age of Jimmy Carter's 55 mph),

Jimmy Carter had nothing to do with the 55 mph speed limit


Yeah it was Nixon
 
2021-01-19 6:33:09 PM  

ShowStop: Article is behind a paywall.


Here is one outside of the paywall. 
Sincerely, Subby!
https://www.kawc.org/post/arizona-law​m​aker-pushes-new-speed-legislation
 
2021-01-19 6:34:04 PM  
The only limit is yourself

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2021-01-19 6:45:13 PM  

cakeman: dark brew: Snotnose: Middle of nowhere, I'm doing 70-80 mph (this was the age of Jimmy Carter's 55 mph),

Jimmy Carter had nothing to do with the 55 mph speed limit

Yeah it was Nixon


Hey now, we can't let facts and history get in the way of some Jimmy Carter bashing.  Worst president ever!!  Amirite!
 
2021-01-19 6:53:42 PM  
There will be a loophole to the loophole and everyone will get both tickets.
 
2021-01-19 6:58:39 PM  

Whatthefark: Montana used to not have a daytime speed limit. The sign at the pass crossing into Montana from Idaho (I-90) said "Reasonable and Prudent". At the time I had a 88 Firebird Formula 350 with Z rated tires. I averaged 120mph between the border and Missoula.
Good times!


I remember that too. Too bad the highway from Utah that I was on sucked so badly that 75 was as prudent a speed you could go.
 
2021-01-19 7:01:12 PM  
In 1978, while stationed in Montana, I was pulled over for 69 in a 55 below White Sulphur Springs, on my way to Yellowstone.   State trooper gave me a $5 non conservation of a natural resource ticket.  I kept it for years.

/glad he didn't know what the herbal smell coming from my car was.
 
2021-01-19 7:06:34 PM  

zombietheclown: gtfo of here.
if i get pulled over for doing 70 in a 65 and the trooper decides to be "nice enough" to just write me a ticket for wasting finite resources, i'm probably going to end up as the next "video du jour" on here

a cop using anything under 10mph over the limit as an excuse to pull you over either had a hardon for messing with you, was having a crap day, or is looking to make quota


I can't work out why people have a problem with police enforcing a law. If you are over the limit it is their job to stop you. You are doing the wrong thing. Not complicated. The 'everyone else is doing it' excuse doesn't change the facts.
 
2021-01-19 7:09:49 PM  

Snotnose: Back in the 80's, weekend trip in New Mexico.  Middle of nowhere, I'm doing 70-80 mph (this was the age of Jimmy Carter's 55 mph), passed a cop.  Slowed down, he u-turned, pulled me over, and gave me a ticket.  Turned out he had radar that could see how fast I was going.

Think it cost me $10 but it sure as hell pissed me off.  I mean, there was neither a car or a turn on the road for miles.


And? You broke the law, cop was doing what is paid to do. Or are you somehow exempt from laws? Special?
 
2021-01-19 7:10:25 PM  
I typically drive on electricity and I'm a net electric producer with my solar panels, so I'm getting a kick out of "wasting finite resources".

Of course in my state, 10 miles over the posted limit is the real limit, anyway, unless you happen to go through one of those little speed trap towns, but those are predictable if you know the area.
 
2021-01-19 7:13:17 PM  

Ny-QuilDriver: cakeman: dark brew: Snotnose: Middle of nowhere, I'm doing 70-80 mph (this was the age of Jimmy Carter's 55 mph),

Jimmy Carter had nothing to do with the 55 mph speed limit

Yeah it was Nixon

Hey now, we can't let facts and history get in the way of some Jimmy Carter bashing.  Worst president ever!!  Amirite!


Have you been asleep for the last four years?
 
2021-01-19 7:13:34 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: I typically drive on electricity and I'm a net electric producer with my solar panels, so I'm getting a kick out of "wasting finite resources".

Of course in my state, 10 miles over the posted limit is the real limit, anyway, unless you happen to go through one of those little speed trap towns, but those are predictable if you know the area.


Oh. I have interpreted the charge as wasting the police's time. Is it officially actually for fuel? If so, that's a little comical.
 
2021-01-19 7:33:42 PM  
I remember being able to go as fast as I wanted in Montana back in the day, when they had no speed limit. I think that ended up being about 80, since I was driving a Ford Windstar minivan. Anything faster felt like extreme danger.
 
2021-01-19 7:57:43 PM  

SR117Nighthawk: Here in the Hampton Roads region of Virginia, the posted speed limit signage...just about everywhere, isn't just the maximum, it's the MINIMUM speed that drivers drive at!  If anyone drives the posted limit, they're essentially impeding the flow of traffic.  Everyone is hurry, hurry, HURRY to get no particular place fast.

/It's all over the place, probably in your neck of the woods too!


Who are you to judge where people have to get and at what rate? I'm serious.
 
2021-01-19 8:08:59 PM  

the sentinel: Ny-QuilDriver: cakeman: dark brew: Snotnose: Middle of nowhere, I'm doing 70-80 mph (this was the age of Jimmy Carter's 55 mph),

Jimmy Carter had nothing to do with the 55 mph speed limit

Yeah it was Nixon

Hey now, we can't let facts and history get in the way of some Jimmy Carter bashing.  Worst president ever!!  Amirite!

Have you been asleep for the last four years?


Just got out of cryostasis.  Haven't checked the news yet.  We didn't do something as stupid as elect a racist, narcissistic, anti-democratic, authoritarian, incompetent, seditionist moron did we?
 
2021-01-19 8:17:44 PM  

Ny-QuilDriver: the sentinel: Ny-QuilDriver: cakeman: dark brew: Snotnose: Middle of nowhere, I'm doing 70-80 mph (this was the age of Jimmy Carter's 55 mph),

Jimmy Carter had nothing to do with the 55 mph speed limit

Yeah it was Nixon

Hey now, we can't let facts and history get in the way of some Jimmy Carter bashing.  Worst president ever!!  Amirite!

Have you been asleep for the last four years?

Just got out of cryostasis.  Haven't checked the news yet.  We didn't do something as stupid as elect a racist, narcissistic, anti-democratic, authoritarian, incompetent, seditionist moron did we?


For your own sanity, you might want to go back into cryostasis for a while. We'll need a few years to fix some of the breakage
 
2021-01-19 9:21:41 PM  

the_celt: I routinely drive 85 or 90 on the Interstate in AZ. (posted speed limit is 75) The vast majority of fellow drivers do the same. The police will pull over the vehicle driving faster than all other traffic. I'm not certain what this proposed law would do exactly but I don't see it changing the driving habits of anyone on the interstate.


Same deal with US-93 between Phoenix and Vegas, except that the posted limit is only 65.  It is especially fun in the few sections that are only two lanes and you have to pass in oncoming traffic.  Surprised that there aren't more crosses along the side of the road just north of Wickenburg.
 
2021-01-19 9:24:18 PM  
Years ago when I went to Montana, speed limit there is "prudent".
 
2021-01-19 9:32:03 PM  

litespeed74: Heh...drive in Montana...I swear the avg speed limit is 75mph.

It's a good and bad thing. Good when you're in the middle of nowhere and the roads and weather are good. Bad
when there are 1000's of baby boomers in RV's, pulling boats, etc... and they pull out in front of you on a narrow road.


Been there done that.
 
2021-01-19 9:33:44 PM  

the_celt: I routinely drive 85 or 90 on the Interstate in AZ. (posted speed limit is 75) The vast majority of fellow drivers do the same. The police will pull over the vehicle driving faster than all other traffic. I'm not certain what this proposed law would do exactly but I don't see it changing the driving habits of anyone on the interstate.


I do the same on I-40. There are huge stretches where you rarely see any other cars.
 
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