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(Academic Times)   White billionaires, trailer park kings agree on something   (academictimes.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, United States, International trade, Economics, Free trade, international trade, North American Free Trade Agreement, Race, Diana Mutz  
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2021-01-19 1:21:13 PM  
We're seeing that it's actually not about what kind of job you have, but rather how you feel about what defines America as an ingroup," Mutz told The Academic Times. "So if you have folks who feel like to be American is to be white, Christian, etc., they have more negative attitudes toward trading with Mexico, with China and so forth."

We wealthy elites have little in common with you poor, but we share a skin color so look over there! They are taking your jobs! I have to hire them because they are cheaper than you are, and hell no I don't wanna pay taxes to prop up your community- why should I? I'm in it to win it. You just have to figure it out on your own while I jet set overseas to my vacation home. But we are totally the same. It's them Mexicans and Chinese you can't trust. And them black folk. Be aware of those Asians, too. They are whip smart and we can't be too careful around them. Can't afford health care? Just be glad we share the same skin color.

/repeat of the 1600s up til now
 
2021-01-19 4:04:58 PM  
They fill their lives with cheap stuff of all kinds, and then biatch about trade.

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2021-01-19 4:47:04 PM  
A whole article (plus links to related articles) about racists, yet not once does the word "racist" appear.

Sadly, not surprising.
 
2021-01-19 4:52:26 PM  
the same idiotic spin wealthy people keep pushing.
They want to say anyone against free Chinese trade are racist.
This article wants to say the working class are the same as the wealthy because why ? The wealthy don't care about race. They have been using slavery in China in order to lower wages in America to get as close to slavery as they can get away with.They hate and abuse all poor people equally. You aren't a real person unless you have the right amount of green.
This is propaganda and propaganda is a very well paid business today.
 
2021-01-19 4:59:55 PM  
Here is the truth.
Democrats were against Chinese free trade because of what it would do to American wages until the Koch brothers funded The Third Way to push free trade propaganda on them.
If the Koch brothers pay someone to convince you of something ,you can bet it only benefits the Koch brothers and people like the Koch brothers.
 
2021-01-19 5:02:43 PM  
To be fair, the supposed value of free trade springs from the same economic logic that belies "deregulation will create more jobs", "tax cuts for the wealthy will trickle down", and all the other wonderful ideas that have destroyed the American middle class over the last forty years. I really don't see why we would praise one while complaining about the other two.
 
2021-01-19 5:14:42 PM  
Dollar Tree is color blind, but you wouldn't know that because you shop Whole Foods.

Whole Foods in Ohio makes you feel like you're in NJ. The patrons wear $300 tattered jeans and are rude as hell, walking about with $10 cups of coffee and biatching at the help. Makes me home sick.
 
2021-01-19 6:14:57 PM  
Fun Fact: The earliest promoters of free trade were slave owners. They produced an extremely valuable commodity (sugar/cotton) that could be easily sold on the international market. In their opinion, they should have been allowed to get the highest possible price for their product, buy the cheapest possible other shiat that they wanted, and generally be allowed to do whatever made them the most money, like owning other human beings. Any sort of regulation or tax on that was an affront to their livelihood.

Now consider the two beneficiaries of modern free trade: Corporations that save on labor costs by sourcing products from factories in the third world with no labor protections or environmental standards, and domestic landowners who often exploit contracted farmers or otherwise employ underpaid immigrant laborers or to do much of the actual work on it. Not much has changed in 250 years.
 
2021-01-19 8:36:22 PM  
These academic eggheads need to go out and actually talk with people and not just look at data.
 
2021-01-19 9:44:25 PM  
I was born and raised in New Jersey.  In 1970 35% of all jobs in the state were manufacturing, today it's 6%.  Quite a few of my family members worked in manufacturing.  For example, I had relatives who worked at Ford Mahwah Assembly, which was the largest auto assembly plant in the world when it was constructed in the 1950s.   Lots of those manufacturing jobs paid good wages with benefits.   Lots more paid crap wages.   The thing that I remember most about those days was how miserable most factory workers were.  Even people who worked in high paying factory jobs would dream of getting a permanent disability pension.  I can not tell you how many times I heard, "Study hard, go to college and get a 'good' job,"   "Good job" meaning a white collar gig, anything but factory work.

The reality is that even if all those factory jobs came back from Asia, and they won't for a number reasons, you'd be hard pressed to find any Muricans willing to do them.  All this talk of bringing back 'our' jobs is just people dreaming of an American 'golden age' that never really was.
 
2021-01-20 12:07:54 AM  
We're seeing that it's actually not about what kind of job you have, but rather how you feel about what defines America as an ingroup," Mutz told The Academic Times. "So if you have folks who feel like to be American is to be white, Christian, etc., they have more negative attitudes toward trading with Mexico, with China and so forth."

Being white, Christian, male and American (yes, I know I should be cancelled just because), this entire premise is entirely misunderstanding of what many Americans feel.

It is not about being negative toward these other groups, but it is about supporting your own countrymen first.  If I can buy something made in the USA near the same price as I can from Mexico or China, I will.  As I obtain more in the way of savings, I'll be more inclined to stretch this 'near' qualifier in the previous sentence more and more.  Eventually, I'll be spending my money buying Starrett, S-K tools and Buck Knives.  Yes, I could go down to Harbor Freight and get something for 1/5th the cost.  However, my grandfather left me a generous helping of these quality tools and they will be passed down from me.   We still know how to outshine the world on quality and I don't mind paying more to support the people that make these tools.

/Problem is that they do such a good job, we never have to buy replacements.
 
2021-01-20 12:44:35 AM  

Fissile: The reality is that even if all those factory jobs came back from Asia, and they won't for a number reasons, you'd be hard pressed to find any Muricans willing to do them


Why would they when they can simply have unemployment pay them 90% of what they would earn?  I grew up on a ranch and you can say the same thing there. Many kids have no interest in making 20 or 30 bucks a day (I made $10 back in the late 80s and early 90s) working in the fields and on the land when they could be playing Fortnight or Minecraft.

Bought my first vehicle after two summers of working in the fields (as a sophomore in HS). Sad to see how rare this kind of work is pursued by today's generations.
 
2021-01-20 6:21:37 AM  

HeadLever: Fissile: The reality is that even if all those factory jobs came back from Asia, and they won't for a number reasons, you'd be hard pressed to find any Muricans willing to do them

Why would they when they can simply have unemployment pay them 90% of what they would earn?  I grew up on a ranch and you can say the same thing there. Many kids have no interest in making 20 or 30 bucks a day (I made $10 back in the late 80s and early 90s) working in the fields and on the land when they could be playing Fortnight or Minecraft.

Bought my first vehicle after two summers of working in the fields (as a sophomore in HS). Sad to see how rare this kind of work is pursued by today's generations.


Aside from the pandemic, unemployment usually covers a fraction of what you made at your last job, and only for a few months.  I don't think teenagers are getting rich and fat off of it.
It's more likely that they don't want to do hard manual labor off the books for $30/day because they can make $80/day at any retail or fast food store while enjoying actual legal protections.
Meanwhile, our patriotic, law-abiding landowners probably prefer to hire illegals anyways, since violating immigration laws makes it easier to get away with violating our labor laws.
 
2021-01-20 7:09:58 AM  
And that's why "reaching out" to racists never works, no matter what their financial situation.
 
2021-01-20 7:17:59 AM  

sinner4ever: They want to say anyone against free Chinese trade are racist.


I suppose it could be as low as 98% racists?  There are a handful of full blown economic isolationists out there.
 
2021-01-20 7:24:21 AM  
It's not even noon yet, and Fark is back to completely agreeing with Trump on trade with no sense of self-awareness or shame.

As expected.
 
2021-01-20 7:55:56 AM  
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2021-01-20 8:26:06 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: A whole article (plus links to related articles) about racists, yet not once does the word "racist" appear.

Sadly, not surprising.



Whitey is Alrighty!!  just ask the American Indian how great Whitey is.


Not really


White
 
2021-01-20 8:27:01 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: And that's why "reaching out" to racists never works, no matter what their financial situation.



well, when "god" is white, whaddaya' gonnna' do??
 
2021-01-20 8:29:03 AM  
IT IS TIME FOR..............................THE AMAZING RACIST!!!


HUMANITY'S LAST CHANCE IS BACK.


Amazing Racist - Mexicans
Youtube IT3SAboeT1g
 
2021-01-20 8:35:59 AM  

sprgrss: These academic eggheads need to go out and actually talk with people and not just look at data.


true

Racists will always be honest and straight with you.
 
2021-01-20 8:36:47 AM  

BMFPitt: It's not even noon yet, and Fark is back to completely agreeing with Trump on trade with no sense of self-awareness or shame.

As expected.


"A politician that I don't like believes in policy (y). Therefore, I support the opposite of policy (y)" is the absolute lowest and most destructive form of politics. I could just as easily accuse you of being a neocon Reaganite for supporting something that was bedrock Republican policy from 1980-2016.

The real truth of the matter is that Trump never would have been President to begin with if the Democrats had taken a principled stand against trade liberalization like their union membership wanted them to.
 
2021-01-20 8:41:52 AM  

Fissile: I was born and raised in New Jersey.  In 1970 35% of all jobs in the state were manufacturing, today it's 6%.  Quite a few of my family members worked in manufacturing.  For example, I had relatives who worked at Ford Mahwah Assembly, which was the largest auto assembly plant in the world when it was constructed in the 1950s.   Lots of those manufacturing jobs paid good wages with benefits.   Lots more paid crap wages.   The thing that I remember most about those days was how miserable most factory workers were.  Even people who worked in high paying factory jobs would dream of getting a permanent disability pension.  I can not tell you how many times I heard, "Study hard, go to college and get a 'good' job,"   "Good job" meaning a white collar gig, anything but factory work.

The reality is that even if all those factory jobs came back from Asia, and they won't for a number reasons, you'd be hard pressed to find any Muricans willing to do them.  All this talk of bringing back 'our' jobs is just people dreaming of an American 'golden age' that never really was.



the lazy sit at home stock owners kinda' liked it.  where else can you live off of Labor and pay 15% capital gains taxes on it.

Murca is about Stock Owners.   nothing more.

Labor can fuk off.
 
2021-01-20 8:54:25 AM  

Scythed: "A politician that I don't like believes in policy (y). Therefore, I support the opposite of policy (y)" is the absolute lowest and most destructive form of politics.


I was in favor of rational trade policies long before Trump thought about jumping into the GOP primaries.  But when you agree completely with a terrible, terrible person on a given policy, it may be worth reflecting on.

I could just as easily accuse you of being a neocon Reaganite for supporting something that was bedrock Republican policy from 1980-2016.

You'd fit right in around here.

The real truth of the matter is that Trump never would have been President to begin with if the Democrats had taken a principled stand against trade liberalization like their union membership wanted them to.

Maybe so.  There are thousands of other things that wouldn't have been destructive to our standard of living that also would have prevented it.
 
2021-01-20 9:14:49 AM  

sinner4ever: the same idiotic spin wealthy people keep pushing.
They want to say anyone against free Chinese trade are racist.
This article wants to say the working class are the same as the wealthy because why ? The wealthy don't care about race. They have been using slavery in China in order to lower wages in America to get as close to slavery as they can get away with.They hate and abuse all poor people equally. You aren't a real person unless you have the right amount of green.
This is propaganda and propaganda is a very well paid business today.


This.

If you're against the way that the government of the People's Republic of China has gamed the system to suck all of the manufacturing out of the United States, you're racist against the Chinese.

It's actually pretty clever, because nobody sane wants to be called a racist, and like being accused of being a pedophile, it doesn't actually matter objectively if you are or not.  Just the accusation colors how other people see you pretty much from square one.  And no evidence that you aren't is good enough to change people's minds.  "Oh, you have [insert appropriate minority] friends", etc.
 
2021-01-20 9:24:07 AM  

Linux_Yes: sprgrss: These academic eggheads need to go out and actually talk with people and not just look at data.

true

Racists will always be honest and straight with you.


yes, just blindly calling people racist is a strong strategy.
 
2021-01-20 10:09:52 AM  

Linux_Yes: the lazy sit at home stock owners kinda' liked it.  where else can you live off of Labor and pay 15% capital gains taxes on it.

Murca is about Stock Owners.   nothing more.

Labor can fuk off.


The owner class are making more than 15% in post industrial Murica than they ever did when Murican factories were churning out goods....and toxic waste.

As for 'our jerbs'  that went to Asia, here's a vid of some of those jerbs being done in Asia.   How many of you would actually want to work in a factory literally chained to a machine, even if the wages were good?  As for the Asian workers you see in this video, they're going to be unemployed soon as well.  The cost of robotics and AI is dropping so fast, Asian factory owners will no longer be able to justify not automating most of these processes.

The Production Process Of The Factory Is So Wonderful! I Have Never Seen It Before.
Youtube mEuPJxXdoSc
 
2021-01-20 10:19:55 AM  

Fissile: Linux_Yes: the lazy sit at home stock owners kinda' liked it.  where else can you live off of Labor and pay 15% capital gains taxes on it.

Murca is about Stock Owners.   nothing more.

Labor can fuk off.

The owner class are making more than 15% in post industrial Murica than they ever did when Murican factories were churning out goods....and toxic waste.

As for 'our jerbs'  that went to Asia, here's a vid of some of those jerbs being done in Asia.   How many of you would actually want to work in a factory literally chained to a machine, even if the wages were good?  As for the Asian workers you see in this video, they're going to be unemployed soon as well.  The cost of robotics and AI is dropping so fast, Asian factory owners will no longer be able to justify not automating most of these processes.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/mEuPJxXd​oSc]



Automation and AI are the number one causes of job loss.  its not outsourcing and immigrants.  although they are a factor.

and AI is going to take more white collar jobs that white collar realizes.  Puters are smarter than we often realize.

but in this nation, as long as the stock owners get their free goodies every quarter all is well.

until the civil war/revolution anyways.
 
2021-01-20 10:21:47 AM  

sprgrss: Linux_Yes: sprgrss: These academic eggheads need to go out and actually talk with people and not just look at data.

true

Racists will always be honest and straight with you.

yes, just blindly calling people racist is a strong strategy.



i didn't call anyone racist.  but i do acknowledge they exist and are not likely to be honest about anything they tell me regarding race.

after WWII, you couldn't find any German civilian that knew about any ovens burning people up.
 
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