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2021-01-19 9:59:08 AM  
NPR should have put a few more pics on this, so I could move the phone closer to my face and slowly zoom and pan over them.
 
2021-01-19 10:15:31 AM  
Burns certainly didn't help by perpetuating the Lost Cause nonsense in his Civil War doc. Shelby Foote waxing nostalgic about "Marse Robert" and "Saintly" Stonewall Jackson got the most screen time, while the lone Black historian got far less.
 
2021-01-19 10:21:03 AM  
There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

There were regulations that prohibited the news from being treated as any other product. There was a vibrant body of public domain knowledge that was legal to copy, share and spread. It was only 14 years out of date.

Bad actors scrapped the protections to fatten their wallets.

Shorter copyright terms and regulating news outlet ownership as it was regulated before 1996 are the solutions to the explosion of bad information, lies and conspiracies.

Anyone can invent a lie. It needs to be legal to quickly spread good information from quality sources if it's 14 years out of date. No one buys products with opposing views, that's why copyrights were intended to be limited, as specified in the Constitution. It used to be legal.

There's too much monetization on fact checking.

The truth is paywalled.

Forcing everyone to pay for information older than 14 years has a duel benefit to fascism. 1: it benefits the generationally wealthy economically 2. It stops the poor and middle class from reading and fact checking by pricing the truth out of reach.
 
2021-01-19 10:23:54 AM  
Lol, duel.
Seems autocorrect wants to fight as always.

I meant dual.
 
2021-01-19 10:44:19 AM  

Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

There were regulations that prohibited the news from being treated as any other product. There was a vibrant body of public domain knowledge that was legal to copy, share and spread. It was only 14 years out of date.

Bad actors scrapped the protections to fatten their wallets.

Shorter copyright terms and regulating news outlet ownership as it was regulated before 1996 are the solutions to the explosion of bad information, lies and conspiracies.

Anyone can invent a lie. It needs to be legal to quickly spread good information from quality sources if it's 14 years out of date. No one buys products with opposing views, that's why copyrights were intended to be limited, as specified in the Constitution. It used to be legal.

There's too much monetization on fact checking.

The truth is paywalled.

Forcing everyone to pay for information older than 14 years has a duel benefit to fascism. 1: it benefits the generationally wealthy economically 2. It stops the poor and middle class from reading and fact checking by pricing the truth out of reach.


Update Section 230 so that social media has to take down hate speech and lies.

And no, people, I don't want to hear hiw this proposal will destroy Fark. It won't. Drew keeps hate speech off it now or I wouldn't be on here. As for lies, Fark, if anything was founded to mock the vapid, stupid, lamestream media lies in the first place.
 
2021-01-19 10:52:57 AM  
No one ever mentions the massive mental health crisis.
 
2021-01-19 10:53:02 AM  
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2021-01-19 10:53:49 AM  
4.  Trumparia - Dealing with all the shiat that spews from a Trump.
 
2021-01-19 10:53:54 AM  
and Ken only supports two of these
 
2021-01-19 10:54:12 AM  
Income inequality is exacerbating everything else. If we don't address this it will get much worse.

Civil war was a mass redistribution of wealth. That wealth got up and walked off the plantation as freedmen.

Great Depression: collapse of an economic system that required a mass redistribution of wealth.

WWII: Use of the new infrastructure built during the mass redistribution of wealth in order to destroy imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.

We need that redistribution of wealth if we want to find a way forward.
 
2021-01-19 10:54:15 AM  
Not sure if all are symptoms of stupidity, or if stupidity is like a poor immunity system in this metaphor.
 
2021-01-19 10:55:10 AM  

grxymkjbn: No one ever mentions the massive mental health crisis.


Oh, come off it. You're talking about it right now!
/smarted
 
2021-01-19 10:55:13 AM  

grxymkjbn: No one ever mentions the massive mental health crisis.


We in the MH community have said this for a long time and they keep cutting our funding.  *shrug*
 
2021-01-19 10:55:50 AM  
Misinformation is code for lies right?

Also, without "misinformation" we'd have a much better handle on Covid and white supremacy (and climate change and...)
 
2021-01-19 10:56:18 AM  

Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

There were regulations that prohibited the news from being treated as any other product. There was a vibrant body of public domain knowledge that was legal to copy, share and spread. It was only 14 years out of date.

Bad actors scrapped the protections to fatten their wallets.

Shorter copyright terms and regulating news outlet ownership as it was regulated before 1996 are the solutions to the explosion of bad information, lies and conspiracies.

Anyone can invent a lie. It needs to be legal to quickly spread good information from quality sources if it's 14 years out of date. No one buys products with opposing views, that's why copyrights were intended to be limited, as specified in the Constitution. It used to be legal.

There's too much monetization on fact checking.

The truth is paywalled.

Forcing everyone to pay for information older than 14 years has a duel benefit to fascism. 1: it benefits the generationally wealthy economically 2. It stops the poor and middle class from reading and fact checking by pricing the truth out of reach.


Have you even read historical newspapers?  The line between reporting and editorializing and advertising didn't exist, especially in low-circulation newspapers and small-town newspapers, where the papers were the stream of consciousness of the owner/editor, and any bullshiat could be printed as "news".  And without ways to verify or fact check, they would print rumors and made up stuff as fact.  Especially when it came to American colonialism in the west, you'd get the impression that millions of white people died each year.
 
2021-01-19 10:56:26 AM  

Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.


No there wasn't, and this is not a new thing.

"Falsehood flies, and the truth comes limping after it." - Jonathan Swift The Examiner, Nov. 9, 1710
 
2021-01-19 10:56:43 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

There were regulations that prohibited the news from being treated as any other product. There was a vibrant body of public domain knowledge that was legal to copy, share and spread. It was only 14 years out of date.

Bad actors scrapped the protections to fatten their wallets.

Shorter copyright terms and regulating news outlet ownership as it was regulated before 1996 are the solutions to the explosion of bad information, lies and conspiracies.

Anyone can invent a lie. It needs to be legal to quickly spread good information from quality sources if it's 14 years out of date. No one buys products with opposing views, that's why copyrights were intended to be limited, as specified in the Constitution. It used to be legal.

There's too much monetization on fact checking.

The truth is paywalled.

Forcing everyone to pay for information older than 14 years has a duel benefit to fascism. 1: it benefits the generationally wealthy economically 2. It stops the poor and middle class from reading and fact checking by pricing the truth out of reach.

Update Section 230 so that social media has to take down hate speech and lies.

And no, people, I don't want to hear hiw this proposal will destroy Fark. It won't. Drew keeps hate speech off it now or I wouldn't be on here. As for lies, Fark, if anything was founded to mock the vapid, stupid, lamestream media lies in the first place.


I hate you and your stupid name, which was stolen from a guy who killed a girl in 1996.
 
2021-01-19 10:57:11 AM  
I think 230 is fine.

What should not be happening is public leaders using, basically advertising, private media outlets.

Press conferences are fine, but personal use of specific private media sources by public officials should be verbotem.
 
2021-01-19 10:57:44 AM  
 
2021-01-19 10:57:44 AM  
Ken Burns: The United States is actually suffering from three viruses right now -- COVID, white supremacy, and misinformation Republicans.

Fixed for brevity.
 
2021-01-19 10:57:47 AM  
Personally, I consider the white supremacy more of a "congenital cancer" than a virus.  We were  born with it, we've gone through periods where we've pushed it further into the background, we've found ways to get around it, but it's always been with us.  We can push it into remission, but there will always be the threat of it coming back.

/Maybe it could be compared to malaria or hep C or HSV?  Where it can flare up?
 
2021-01-19 10:58:29 AM  
Disinformation and the balkanization of "facts" will be the death of the American Experiment.
White supremacy and COVID aren't helping, but I'd put climate change ahead of either in terms of what damage it will do and chances of it being solved.
 
2021-01-19 10:58:32 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

There were regulations that prohibited the news from being treated as any other product. There was a vibrant body of public domain knowledge that was legal to copy, share and spread. It was only 14 years out of date.

Bad actors scrapped the protections to fatten their wallets.

Shorter copyright terms and regulating news outlet ownership as it was regulated before 1996 are the solutions to the explosion of bad information, lies and conspiracies.

Anyone can invent a lie. It needs to be legal to quickly spread good information from quality sources if it's 14 years out of date. No one buys products with opposing views, that's why copyrights were intended to be limited, as specified in the Constitution. It used to be legal.

There's too much monetization on fact checking.

The truth is paywalled.

Forcing everyone to pay for information older than 14 years has a duel benefit to fascism. 1: it benefits the generationally wealthy economically 2. It stops the poor and middle class from reading and fact checking by pricing the truth out of reach.

Update Section 230 so that social media has to take down hate speech and lies.

And no, people, I don't want to hear hiw this proposal will destroy Fark. It won't. Drew keeps hate speech off it now or I wouldn't be on here. As for lies, Fark, if anything was founded to mock the vapid, stupid, lamestream media lies in the first place.


Drew mostly keeps it off, but the mods in charge of enforcing the rules have too much leeway in when and how to enforce.  So sometimes QAnon terrorists can post lies and exhortations of illegal acts, and the mod on duty bans the people who report the terrorist, not the terrorist himself.
 
2021-01-19 10:58:48 AM  
There is nothing stopping a President or anyone else, creating their own comment/chat site.  Sure the rules for such a "public" site would be different to a private one, but nothing is stopping leaders from making their own "social media."
 
2021-01-19 10:59:01 AM  

SMB2811: Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

No there wasn't, and this is not a new thing.

"Falsehood flies, and the truth comes limping after it." - Jonathan Swift The Examiner, Nov. 9, 1710


The internet has made it much easier to spread misinformation, and to prevent misinformation from being denied.
 
2021-01-19 10:59:06 AM  

grxymkjbn: No one ever mentions the massive mental health crisis.


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2021-01-19 10:59:24 AM  
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2021-01-19 11:00:32 AM  

BorgiaGinz: Burns certainly didn't help by perpetuating the Lost Cause nonsense in his Civil War doc. Shelby Foote waxing nostalgic about "Marse Robert" and "Saintly" Stonewall Jackson got the most screen time, while the lone Black historian got far less.


This.
 
2021-01-19 11:00:42 AM  
A little bit difficult to fix when one party has weaponized both white supremacy and misinformation.
 
2021-01-19 11:00:55 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

There were regulations that prohibited the news from being treated as any other product. There was a vibrant body of public domain knowledge that was legal to copy, share and spread. It was only 14 years out of date.

Bad actors scrapped the protections to fatten their wallets.

Shorter copyright terms and regulating news outlet ownership as it was regulated before 1996 are the solutions to the explosion of bad information, lies and conspiracies.

Anyone can invent a lie. It needs to be legal to quickly spread good information from quality sources if it's 14 years out of date. No one buys products with opposing views, that's why copyrights were intended to be limited, as specified in the Constitution. It used to be legal.

There's too much monetization on fact checking.

The truth is paywalled.

Forcing everyone to pay for information older than 14 years has a duel benefit to fascism. 1: it benefits the generationally wealthy economically 2. It stops the poor and middle class from reading and fact checking by pricing the truth out of reach.

Update Section 230 so that social media has to take down hate speech and lies.

And no, people, I don't want to hear hiw this proposal will destroy Fark. It won't. Drew keeps hate speech off it now or I wouldn't be on here. As for lies, Fark, if anything was founded to mock the vapid, stupid, lamestream media lies in the first place.


If being forced to take down hate speech and lies destroys a website's popularity or profits or purpose, that website needed to be destroyed.
 
2021-01-19 11:01:10 AM  
"This Is Rumor Control, Here Are The Facts."
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2021-01-19 11:01:15 AM  
That last one is most virulent, though it is a close race.

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2021-01-19 11:01:46 AM  

NM Volunteer: Have you even read historical newspapers? The line between reporting and editorializing and advertising didn't exist, especially in low-circulation newspapers and small-town newspapers, where the papers were the stream of consciousness of the owner/editor, and any bullshiat could be printed as "news". And without ways to verify or fact check, they would print rumors and made up stuff as fact. Especially when it came to American colonialism in the west, you'd get the impression that millions of white people died each year.


Mark Twain comments on this extensively when he was reporting for a newspaper in a mining town. His book 'Roughing It' has insights into this.
 
2021-01-19 11:02:27 AM  
Imma need a 650 hour documentary of panning still photos and insipid music to really make my mind up about this.
 
2021-01-19 11:02:55 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Income inequality is exacerbating everything else. If we don't address this it will get much worse.

Civil war was a mass redistribution of wealth. That wealth got up and walked off the plantation as freedmen.

Great Depression: collapse of an economic system that required a mass redistribution of wealth.

WWII: Use of the new infrastructure built during the mass redistribution of wealth in order to destroy imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.

We need that redistribution of wealth if we want to find a way forward.


Yeah, that person who took a private jet to storm the capital is sure feeling the economic anxiety.

The terrorists have predominantly been middle class or higher. They just want to make sure they keep their bigger piece of pie from the poor.

Income inequality didn't lead these people to insurrection; the threat to income inequality led the rich to bankroll a misinformation campaign.
 
2021-01-19 11:03:09 AM  
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2021-01-19 11:03:10 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: 4.  Trumparia - Dealing with all the shiat that spews from a Trump.


That really misidentifies the problem.
And it gives Trump way too much credit.
Trump is a symptom of the disease(s).
He says a lot of the stuff he says because millions of people want to hear it, and in many cases because he's told to say it. He was put where he was by a lot of powerful people who wanted a buffoon who would sign whatever papers were put in front of him. He has no original thoughts of his own, beyond angry tweets at Rosie O'Donnell.
 
2021-01-19 11:03:17 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

There were regulations that prohibited the news from being treated as any other product. There was a vibrant body of public domain knowledge that was legal to copy, share and spread. It was only 14 years out of date.

Bad actors scrapped the protections to fatten their wallets.

Shorter copyright terms and regulating news outlet ownership as it was regulated before 1996 are the solutions to the explosion of bad information, lies and conspiracies.

Anyone can invent a lie. It needs to be legal to quickly spread good information from quality sources if it's 14 years out of date. No one buys products with opposing views, that's why copyrights were intended to be limited, as specified in the Constitution. It used to be legal.

There's too much monetization on fact checking.

The truth is paywalled.

Forcing everyone to pay for information older than 14 years has a duel benefit to fascism. 1: it benefits the generationally wealthy economically 2. It stops the poor and middle class from reading and fact checking by pricing the truth out of reach.

Update Section 230 so that social media has to take down hate speech and lies.

And no, people, I don't want to hear hiw this proposal will destroy Fark. It won't. Drew keeps hate speech off it now or I wouldn't be on here. As for lies, Fark, if anything was founded to mock the vapid, stupid, lamestream media lies in the first place.


There's a difference between hate speech and being a snarky asshole.
 
2021-01-19 11:03:41 AM  
he hit all 3 buzzwords in a single headline ... wow, just wow... stunning and brave
 
2021-01-19 11:03:43 AM  
Ah, pushing the white supremacy boogeyman.  They're under every rock and behind every tree, just waiting to jump out and strike.

I guess he needs to keep his lefty credentials current and hope that the mob goes after someone else.
 
2021-01-19 11:04:13 AM  
 
2021-01-19 11:05:35 AM  
I want Peter Coyote to just follow me around and narrate my life.
 
2021-01-19 11:05:58 AM  

BorgiaGinz: Burns certainly didn't help by perpetuating the Lost Cause nonsense in his Civil War doc. Shelby Foote waxing nostalgic about "Marse Robert" and "Saintly" Stonewall Jackson got the most screen time, while the lone Black historian got far less.


And we're done here.
 
2021-01-19 11:07:42 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: Ah, pushing the white supremacy boogeyman.  They're under every rock and behind every tree, just waiting to jump out and strike.

I guess he needs to keep his lefty credentials current and hope that the mob goes after someone else.


Aww, look at you, purposely being ignorant.
 
2021-01-19 11:08:54 AM  

Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

There were regulations that prohibited the news from being treated as any other product. There was a vibrant body of public domain knowledge that was legal to copy, share and spread. It was only 14 years out of date.

Bad actors scrapped the protections to fatten their wallets.

Shorter copyright terms and regulating news outlet ownership as it was regulated before 1996 are the solutions to the explosion of bad information, lies and conspiracies.

Anyone can invent a lie. It needs to be legal to quickly spread good information from quality sources if it's 14 years out of date. No one buys products with opposing views, that's why copyrights were intended to be limited, as specified in the Constitution. It used to be legal.

There's too much monetization on fact checking.

The truth is paywalled.

Forcing everyone to pay for information older than 14 years has a duel benefit to fascism. 1: it benefits the generationally wealthy economically 2. It stops the poor and middle class from reading and fact checking by pricing the truth out of reach.


Not sure if serious.  The abuse of the copyright law is almost exclusively an issue with fiction, not news reporting.  News reporting is, for the most part, freely shared amoungst all legitimate news outlets (if not the whole report, a summary at least).

The misinformation is coming from people like Trump.  There are plenty of legitimate news sources that right wing idiots refuse to believe.
 
2021-01-19 11:12:14 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: Ah, pushing the white supremacy boogeyman.  They're under every rock and behind every tree, just waiting to jump out and strike.

I guess he needs to keep his lefty credentials current and hope that the mob goes after someone else.


Not under every rock. They're right in the Capitol

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2021-01-19 11:12:22 AM  

NM Volunteer: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

There were regulations that prohibited the news from being treated as any other product. There was a vibrant body of public domain knowledge that was legal to copy, share and spread. It was only 14 years out of date.

Bad actors scrapped the protections to fatten their wallets.

Shorter copyright terms and regulating news outlet ownership as it was regulated before 1996 are the solutions to the explosion of bad information, lies and conspiracies.

Anyone can invent a lie. It needs to be legal to quickly spread good information from quality sources if it's 14 years out of date. No one buys products with opposing views, that's why copyrights were intended to be limited, as specified in the Constitution. It used to be legal.

There's too much monetization on fact checking.

The truth is paywalled.

Forcing everyone to pay for information older than 14 years has a duel benefit to fascism. 1: it benefits the generationally wealthy economically 2. It stops the poor and middle class from reading and fact checking by pricing the truth out of reach.

Update Section 230 so that social media has to take down hate speech and lies.

And no, people, I don't want to hear hiw this proposal will destroy Fark. It won't. Drew keeps hate speech off it now or I wouldn't be on here. As for lies, Fark, if anything was founded to mock the vapid, stupid, lamestream media lies in the first place.

Drew mostly keeps it off, but the mods in charge of enforcing the rules have too much leeway in when and how to enforce.  So sometimes QAnon terrorists can post lies and exhortations of illegal acts, and the mod on duty bans the people who report the terrorist, not the terrorist himself.


Yep. Fark mods let a lot of right wing disinformation go here as "wacky gimmick posting" because flame wars get reloads and ad hits. And the the person who calls it out gets their comment deleted.

Fark bans word salad posters, and not the guys who join every "black guy shot by cops" thread to say they deserved it.
 
2021-01-19 11:13:38 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Purple_Urkle: There was a time when misinformation was not flourishing and during that time was the abolitionist movement.

There were regulations that prohibited the news from being treated as any other product. There was a vibrant body of public domain knowledge that was legal to copy, share and spread. It was only 14 years out of date.

Bad actors scrapped the protections to fatten their wallets.

Shorter copyright terms and regulating news outlet ownership as it was regulated before 1996 are the solutions to the explosion of bad information, lies and conspiracies.

Anyone can invent a lie. It needs to be legal to quickly spread good information from quality sources if it's 14 years out of date. No one buys products with opposing views, that's why copyrights were intended to be limited, as specified in the Constitution. It used to be legal.

There's too much monetization on fact checking.

The truth is paywalled.

Forcing everyone to pay for information older than 14 years has a duel benefit to fascism. 1: it benefits the generationally wealthy economically 2. It stops the poor and middle class from reading and fact checking by pricing the truth out of reach.

Update Section 230 so that social media has to take down hate speech and lies.

And no, people, I don't want to hear hiw this proposal will destroy Fark. It won't. Drew keeps hate speech off it now or I wouldn't be on here. As for lies, Fark, if anything was founded to mock the vapid, stupid, lamestream media lies in the first place.


Forcing moderation under penalty of law would most certainly end Fark as well as all social media.  If one could sue Drew for something a random poster posted here, he would certainly not allow people to post things here.  At the very least, every single post would have to be specifically approved by a moderator, delaying publication by hours if not days.
 
2021-01-19 11:15:43 AM  

lectos: grxymkjbn: No one ever mentions the massive mental health crisis.

We in the MH community have said this for a long time and they keep cutting our funding.  *shrug*


It's enough to drive a person crazy.
 
2021-01-19 11:15:50 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: Ah, pushing the white supremacy boogeyman.  They're under every rock and behind every tree, just waiting to jump out and strike.


Um, the raid at the capitol is one example of proof that there's a farking farkton of them.
 
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