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(Washington Post)   WaPo writer argues that Trump doesn't deserve a permaban from Twitter because he could, like, reform his ways and turn presidential any day now or something   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2021-01-19 9:39:51 AM  
I would look for myself but I permabanned WaPo.
 
2021-01-19 9:45:29 AM  
Do people think when he's out of power that he's gonna change? He's gonna be bitter, and looking for any excuse to grift from his base and encourage them to follow through on his wishes.

Have these writers never met a cult before?
 
2021-01-19 9:46:20 AM  
the suffix "post" is getting to be rather tabloid for any fish wrapper at all
 
2021-01-19 9:53:11 AM  
Trump's moved on from Twitter.  He's dictating a new book to Rudy - working title is "My Struggle".
 
2021-01-19 9:58:52 AM  

OdradekRex: Trump's moved on from Twitter.  He's dictating a new book to Rudy - working title is "My Struggle".


I heard he was working with Mike Lindell. Mein Kampfy Pillow
 
2021-01-19 10:05:30 AM  
Being in Twitter isn't a right.  Trump is dyspeptic toddler and should be in the slammer.
 
2021-01-19 10:18:57 AM  
Same goes for the naked guy in front of the Cracker Barrel fireplace.
 
2021-01-19 10:32:08 AM  
Add WaPo to the Susan Collins camp who think he's learned his lesson.
 
d23 [OhFark]
2021-01-19 10:32:45 AM  
But.. he had such a presidential tone on... uh... August 14, 2018.  Yeah, that's it.
 
2021-01-19 10:33:43 AM  
Yeah, he's going to turn the corner and start being Presidential any day now...

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2021-01-19 10:33:48 AM  

Gubbo: Do people think when he's out of power that he's gonna change? He's gonna be bitter, and looking for any excuse to grift from his base and encourage them to follow through on his wishes.

Have these writers never met a cult before?


No, but they hate the idea of white nationalist being punished with more than the slightest gentle slap on the wrist.
 
2021-01-19 10:33:57 AM  
Trump needs a platform to grift from.
 
2021-01-19 10:34:10 AM  
"But first, give them what you'd want to be given: a chance."

Yeah. The guy who's consistently been an asshole for the past 74 years just needs another chance.
 
2021-01-19 10:34:10 AM  

d23: But.. he had such a presidential tone on... uh... August 14, 2018.  Yeah, that's it.


He stayed in bed all day?
 
2021-01-19 10:34:50 AM  
PIVOT!
 
2021-01-19 10:34:54 AM  
Is it ever morally acceptable for platforms to banish someone forever?

Yes.

More to the point: how is this even a question of morality?

More more to the point: stfu, you twat.
 
2021-01-19 10:35:36 AM  
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/Any day now
 
2021-01-19 10:35:37 AM  

d23: But.. he had such a presidential tone on... uh... August 14, 2018.  Yeah, that's it.


The day he went on a rant about Omarosa, calling her a dog?
 
2021-01-19 10:36:38 AM  

MORB: "But first, give them what you'd want to be given: a chance."

Yeah. The guy who's consistently been an asshole for the past 74 years just needs another chance.


Anyone who argues that a man who is involved with a white nationalist take over of our capitol in a half brain attempt to overthrow the election just needs a chance is aligned with the white nationalist.
 
2021-01-19 10:36:54 AM  
Fark you entitled farking pieces of shiat.  Nobody has a right to post any inane bullshiat they want to on the internet.  Farking grow the fark up already.
 
2021-01-19 10:37:04 AM  
One might object that citizens banned from Twitter can take refuge elsewhere. The problem with this objection is that, if wrongdoers have misbehaved across social media, then they could well find themselves banned from all of it. As a temporary matter, that can be justified. But full banishment from social media is incompatible with the principle that everyone has a moral right to participate in public discourse, and the conviction that wrongdoers we've cast out should have a path back from the wilderness.

I'm honestly dumbfounded that people keep trying to ply this argument. Nobody has some moral right to use someone else's platform to spout their opinions. This is like declaring that a newspaper must print all of my letters to the editor.
 
2021-01-19 10:37:53 AM  

Gubbo: Do people think when he's out of power that he's gonna change? He's gonna be bitter, and looking for any excuse to grift from his base and encourage them to follow through on his wishes.

Have these writers never met a cult before?


It's not that they don't understand what a cult is. The soulless lazy writers are greedy to return to tabloid journalism no matter how damaging it was, Trump was their star, and tweets didn't take much effort to cover.
 
2021-01-19 10:39:05 AM  
Ah yes, tough on crime forever branding those with a couple grams of weed a criminal forever types, are worried sick they may be affected permanently on a social media platform for attempting to overthrow the government.

More of nothing for you if off the table but I deserve to be completely unaffected regardless of anything I do.

Same logic where abortion for them is a prison sentence but for me you just have to understand why I needed to get one so bad!!!  See the circumstances are different now that i'm affected.
 
2021-01-19 10:39:52 AM  
Twitter is a website fine-tuned to prevent adequate, nuanced discussion of complex ideas, turning everything into competing sound bites or bumper stickers. It trains people to obsess over superficial nonsense.
 
2021-01-19 10:40:17 AM  
...and, yet they are - Until the man is willing to comport himself in a reasonable way, in line with Twitter's TOS, he deal with the repercussions. I'm sick of this mewling nonsense.
 
2021-01-19 10:40:37 AM  
Whether a permanent ban seems appropriate would appear to depend on whether you consider his offenses to be nearer seditious conspiracy or treason. The criminal punishment for the former suggests that instead of a permanent ban, Donald Trump should only be banned from Twitter for the next 20 years.
 
2021-01-19 10:41:11 AM  
If anyone in the history of the world needs a permaban, it's Trump.
 
2021-01-19 10:41:12 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: One might object that citizens banned from Twitter can take refuge elsewhere. The problem with this objection is that, if wrongdoers have misbehaved across social media, then they could well find themselves banned from all of it. As a temporary matter, that can be justified. But full banishment from social media is incompatible with the principle that everyone has a moral right to participate in public discourse, and the conviction that wrongdoers we've cast out should have a path back from the wilderness.

I'm honestly dumbfounded that people keep trying to ply this argument. Nobody has some moral right to use someone else's platform to spout their opinions. This is like declaring that a newspaper must print all of my letters to the editor.


Imagine these folks arguing this for criminals, and you'll see just how convenient their arguments are for themselves and only themselves.

It's always about the best for themselves and fark everyone else, but especially not them.  They'll spout this out and demand bans for antifa users that don't actually exist.
 
2021-01-19 10:41:22 AM  

Rhymes With Silver: Add WaPo to the Susan Collins camp who think he's learned his lesson.


This is an opinion piece.  Not what WaPo actually believes.  Like all media they're giving credence to both sides.

This guy is an interesting guy.....

He is a free speech absolutist so he give hot takes that the right adores, but he is also calling for Trump and lackeys to be held accountable.

He is also has some pretty bad takes on social media platforms being the town square, therefore they should be considered free speech zones.  Which is a stupid argument.

He also thinks that social media platforms have grown too powerful and should be broken up.  Which is a reasonable take.

So WaPo doesn't think anything.  Theyve just given a platform to a political science professor who is world renowned.
 
2021-01-19 10:41:47 AM  

RasIanI: ...and, yet they are - Until the man is willing to comport himself in a reasonable way, in line with Twitter's TOS, he deal with the repercussions. I'm sick of this mewling nonsense.


No until.

If white nationalist used your platform in an attempt to overthrow elections, as a platform you either need to perma block those people, or be split.

Or it's a suicide pact for America.
 
2021-01-19 10:42:04 AM  
Trumpfan; Yeah, you can't ban Trump permanently! Why would we want a permanent, unchangeable punishment like that??

Same Trumpfan; Of course I support the death penalty. Why do you ask?
 
2021-01-19 10:42:11 AM  

Rozotorical: Gubbo: Do people think when he's out of power that he's gonna change? He's gonna be bitter, and looking for any excuse to grift from his base and encourage them to follow through on his wishes.

Have these writers never met a cult before?

No, but they hate the idea of white nationalist being punished with more than the slightest gentle slap on the wrist.


The author is not a white nationalist.

One of the most interesting things about this site is how some threads are mostly arguments in favor of "canceling" extremist voices while some have arguments more in favor of first amendment absolutism. Apparently this one is a cancel thread.

IMO the actual problem is that everyone is on Twitter and Facebook and that gives them much bigger places in the totality of public discourse than they deserve given their current business structures. If there were more social media sites, getting kicked off of one wouldn't be that big of a deal.
 
2021-01-19 10:42:39 AM  

mudesi: Fark you entitled farking pieces of shiat.  Nobody has a right to post any inane bullshiat they want to on the internet.  Farking grow the fark up already.


Technically you have the right to post insane bullshiat on the internet, but you don't have the right to force anyone to host your insane bullshiat on the internet.
 
2021-01-19 10:45:19 AM  

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/Any day now


Came to post this.

Thank you for your service.
 
2021-01-19 10:45:39 AM  
Dude attempted a coup. Cutting off his lines of communication is tactically smart and politically necessary.
 
2021-01-19 10:46:08 AM  
The nice thing about newspapers is not everyone wants to pay to hear their bullshiat
 
2021-01-19 10:46:44 AM  
Fake news.
 
2021-01-19 10:46:59 AM  
It doesn't matter if donald deserves a ban or not.  Twitter decided they didn't want him using their soapbox to spout his sedition.  That's entirely their decision and they are free to make such decisions with respect to their platform because it's their platform.

The First Amendment blocks the government from censoring speech except in certain very narrow situations.  The First Amendment does notgive anyone the right to use anyone else's platform for spewing their rhetoric.
 
2021-01-19 10:47:18 AM  
So much for "Democracy dies in darkness."


Now they're all, "more darkness pwease!"
 
2021-01-19 10:48:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I would look for myself but I permabanned WaPo.


They had an article a few weeks ago and I cancelled my subscription. Downhill since.
 
2021-01-19 10:48:09 AM  
Even wrongdoers have a fundamental moral right to be part of the public discourse.

No, they don't.
If you're an asshole I don't need to listen to you
And if you're an asshole to the entire world, then we collectively don't need to listen to you.
 
2021-01-19 10:48:28 AM  
Jesus.  Imagine dedicating any brain space to "hmm, should Trump be allowed to have a twitter account again?".

It's literally better for everyone, most assuredly including Trump, for him to not have a Twitter account.
 
2021-01-19 10:48:38 AM  
Anyone so pig-shiat stupid that they got themselves impeached TWICE should be ignored completely.
 
2021-01-19 10:50:09 AM  

pdieten: Rozotorical: Gubbo: Do people think when he's out of power that he's gonna change? He's gonna be bitter, and looking for any excuse to grift from his base and encourage them to follow through on his wishes.

Have these writers never met a cult before?

No, but they hate the idea of white nationalist being punished with more than the slightest gentle slap on the wrist.

The author is not a white nationalist.

One of the most interesting things about this site is how some threads are mostly arguments in favor of "canceling" extremist voices while some have arguments more in favor of first amendment absolutism. Apparently this one is a cancel thread.

IMO the actual problem is that everyone is on Twitter and Facebook and that gives them much bigger places in the totality of public discourse than they deserve given their current business structures. If there were more social media sites, getting kicked off of one wouldn't be that big of a deal.


No they just want to make sure the white nationalist get their bullhorn. OR ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!

You know what they call 7 people who sit down and have dinner with a Nazi? 8 Nazis.

But I get it you are so worried about white nationalist losing their platforms. I see you.
 
2021-01-19 10:51:27 AM  
This is a perfect example of an insulated academic overthinking things, and shoehorning a size 15 sack of shiat into a size 7 shoe.

The plain fact is Trump's influence is way, WAY beyond the average citizen so treating him like a trial balloon is incredibly dangerous.  Trump has told TENS OF THOUSANDS OF LIES that are on record, and has led an insurrection against his own country JUST THIS MONTH.

Maybe most importantly, if social media operators had been doing their jobs this would not be Trump's first suspension.  So if Sir Beardy McBeardstroke needs to ease his conscience over this, just pretend Trump has been temporarily banned a few hundred times already, and staging a deadly coup was the final offense.
 
2021-01-19 10:51:38 AM  
If you spend more than two minutes biatching over a twitter account ban you need to clear your head by rolling coal inside your garage.
 
2021-01-19 10:52:51 AM  
Being a catty biatch on Twitter post-presidency was the only good thing that could come from his administration.

Imagine Ted Cruz getting the Robert Pattison treatment every time he opens his mouth
 
2021-01-19 10:54:35 AM  

d23: But.. he had such a presidential tone on... uh... August 14, 2018.  Yeah, that's it.


Out of curiosity, yesterday I looked up what Trump was doing on prior MLK days while president. One year he attacked John Lewis on Twitter a day or two before MLK day. Another year he used the term "shiathold countries" a day or two before MLK day.

Yikes.
 
2021-01-19 10:55:43 AM  
The world will be a better place if trump never tweets again
 
2021-01-19 10:56:32 AM  
This is Lur of Omicron Persei 8.  What's so funny?  I hear you all laughing way over there.  Being left out of the joke confuses and enrages me!
 
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