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2021-01-19 2:20:28 AM  
Sounds like the premise for a movie.

/ Do laws apply when you are officially dead?
 
2021-01-19 3:02:53 AM  
I read the article, I don't understand.

Je ne comprends pas.
 
2021-01-19 3:35:51 AM  

Sub Human: I read the article, I don't understand.

Je ne comprends pas.


From a different article:

"She accuses her former employee of fabricating her death to try to win damages from her purported heirs -- her husband and son -- after two failed attempts to sue Pouchain herself. "

Full article here.

/subby
//was a bit confused myself
///Elle n'est pas mort
 
2021-01-19 3:49:22 AM  

Unrepentant Fool: Sub Human: I read the article, I don't understand.

Je ne comprends pas.

From a different article:

"She accuses her former employee of fabricating her death to try to win damages from her purported heirs -- her husband and son -- after two failed attempts to sue Pouchain herself. "

Full article here.

/subby
//was a bit confused myself
///Elle n'est pas mort


Thank you. I get it now.

/I thought I was too wrecked to puzzle that'n.
 
2021-01-19 3:50:41 AM  
Whatever.
*puts away cart*
 
2021-01-19 3:55:12 AM  
I'd start robbing banks.  fark it.  Can't arrest me if I'm dead.
 
2021-01-19 4:02:27 AM  
Well if I was dead I'd go on a crime spree, can't arrest a dead man.
 
2021-01-19 4:15:01 AM  
That woman who was pursuing her for 14,000 euros (not exactly a sum you could retire on) sounds seriously nuts. She loses her job in 2000. She has a case from 2004 that wasn't enforced followed by one that was thrown out in 2009, and then she has her former employer declared dead in 2016. Seriously, this litigious lady should have gotten a life. I'm sure she's paid more to the lawyers than she ever would have won in the first place.
 
2021-01-19 4:15:45 AM  
Frankly, she sounds like a monster. .
 
2021-01-19 4:16:41 AM  

AlgaeRancher: Sounds like the premise for a movie.

/ Do laws apply when you are officially dead?


Yes. You can be summarily executed for the slightest offense.
 
2021-01-19 4:21:00 AM  
She has not ceased to be.
 
2021-01-19 4:34:55 AM  
Got a couple former employers I'd like to declare dead.
 
2021-01-19 5:09:46 AM  
She's afraid to leave the house because a court document had a typo in it one time.

World's full of people who are crazy in more interesting ways. Give us a story about a nymphomaniac, subby!
 
2021-01-19 9:11:46 AM  
Paging Doc Deneeka.
 
2021-01-19 9:19:17 AM  
elle pense, donc ...
 
DVD
2021-01-19 9:22:35 AM  
Je ne suis pas prêt à monter dans le chariot!!

Also, I suppose enough of us subbies submitted this article that at least one made it through?
 
2021-01-19 9:29:19 AM  
I would commit so many minor crimes. Either they declare me alive or have to sit there and watch as I steal a judge's baguette.
 
2021-01-19 9:31:55 AM  
Obviously a zombie. Makes perfect sense.
 
2021-01-19 9:35:06 AM  
Meh, that's nothing.
My FIL died recently, and one of my idiot in-laws who shared a bank account with him reported him dead to the SS admin/IRS/whatever. A month later she goes to the DMV to renew her drivers license and they tell her that she can't because she is dead.
Yes, somehow she reported herself dead and had no clue. No word yet if the FIL is actually reported dead yet...

I honestly didn't know just how stupid these people were before I married my wife (by far the smartest of the bunch). It might have changed things...
 
2021-01-19 9:38:21 AM  
Photographer really went the extra mile to insure he was in her portrait.
 
2021-01-19 9:39:58 AM  
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2021-01-19 9:50:53 AM  

Percise1: Meh, that's nothing.
My FIL died recently, and one of my idiot in-laws who shared a bank account with him reported him dead to the SS admin/IRS/whatever. A month later she goes to the DMV to renew her drivers license and they tell her that she can't because she is dead.
Yes, somehow she reported herself dead and had no clue. No word yet if the FIL is actually reported dead yet...

I honestly didn't know just how stupid these people were before I married my wife (by far the smartest of the bunch). It might have changed things...


Your in-laws shouldn't have named her Kevin Jr.
 
2021-01-19 9:52:07 AM  

AlgaeRancher: Sounds like the premise for a movie.

/ Do laws apply when you are officially dead?


My first thought. Say you snap and start killing all the bureaucrats that are screwing you over. They take you to court and you're defense is simply: "You can't try me, I don't exists. You said so yourself."
 
2021-01-19 9:53:00 AM  

Nidiot: That woman who was pursuing her for 14,000 euros (not exactly a sum you could retire on) sounds seriously nuts. She loses her job in 2000. She has a case from 2004 that wasn't enforced followed by one that was thrown out in 2009, and then she has her former employer declared dead in 2016. Seriously, this litigious lady should have gotten a life. I'm sure she's paid more to the lawyers than she ever would have won in the first place.


One thing I have learned in life is people out for revenge usually don't care about anything other than that revenge. That 14,000 Euros is her white whale and she wants it no matter the cost. At this point she is obsessed with it.
 
2021-01-19 10:03:53 AM  
...or an episode from M*A*S*H.

/poor Hawkeye
//poor Hawkeye's dad
 
2021-01-19 10:35:41 AM  

groppet: Nidiot: That woman who was pursuing her for 14,000 euros (not exactly a sum you could retire on) sounds seriously nuts. She loses her job in 2000. She has a case from 2004 that wasn't enforced followed by one that was thrown out in 2009, and then she has her former employer declared dead in 2016. Seriously, this litigious lady should have gotten a life. I'm sure she's paid more to the lawyers than she ever would have won in the first place.

One thing I have learned in life is people out for revenge usually don't care about anything other than that revenge. That 14,000 Euros is her white whale and she wants it no matter the cost. At this point she is obsessed with it.


Cant the not dead lady get the other lady declared dead? Legally, not actual dead. Hell, start getting the judge declared dead, a couple politicians...they will fix it then.
 
2021-01-19 11:05:35 AM  
There was a talk a the security conferences Blackhat and Ruxcon call "i will kill you" which might have a video or two about.

There are nearly no protections of death records. It is about 10 minutes work to fake someone else's death. There also seems to be no legal way to rectify the situation.

Once you are legally dead, your alive-ness doesn't seem relevant even in the courts.
 
2021-01-19 11:27:24 AM  
What are the benefits of being legally dead? Apart from no taxes, I'm not seeing much. Pretty big hassle, being dead.  No, thanks.
 
2021-01-19 11:28:44 AM  
I've told this one before but

CSB: I used to live in an apartment building and one of my neighbours was a complete and utter jackass. He was a young guy (about 20) taking some courses and living alone. He treated every person in the building like utter shiat but particularly the kids who were younger than him. He was a notorious bully to those kids.

Well, he finished his courses and was bragging to anyone who would listen that he was going to work on the oil rigs and make a fortune. He'd already landed a job, etc etc. So he spends his last weekend at the place being an even bigger pain to everyone.

He leaves and we're all greatly relieved to be rid of him. Well, he forgot to forward his mail. The landlord is cleaning his apartment, sees that there's mail, and puts it aside. Some of the local tweens see the mail (some of it government mail) with the jackass's name on it, "borrow" it, and write

DECEASED

on the mail with a Sharpie. Then they put it in the nearest mailbox.

About a month later Jackass comes back absolutely shaking he's so furious. He was working his oil rig job when his employer is notified that the SIN he's using belongs to a deceased person. He had to leave that job to come back and try to get it fixed and prove that he's not dead.
 
2021-01-19 12:17:53 PM  

mononymous: What are the benefits of being legally dead? Apart from no taxes, I'm not seeing much. Pretty big hassle, being dead.  No, thanks.


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2021-01-19 12:24:39 PM  
Man, how bad in bed do you have to be to get declared legally dead?
 
2021-01-19 1:08:15 PM  
If they just give it enough time, the glitch will fix itself.
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2021-01-19 3:05:39 PM  
I hear she said she feels happy.

/she feels happy
 
2021-01-19 6:40:38 PM  
I remember this side quest from Witcher 3.

It kinda sucked.
 
2021-01-19 6:42:50 PM  

groppet: Nidiot: That woman who was pursuing her for 14,000 euros (not exactly a sum you could retire on) sounds seriously nuts. She loses her job in 2000. She has a case from 2004 that wasn't enforced followed by one that was thrown out in 2009, and then she has her former employer declared dead in 2016. Seriously, this litigious lady should have gotten a life. I'm sure she's paid more to the lawyers than she ever would have won in the first place.

One thing I have learned in life is people out for revenge usually don't care about anything other than that revenge. That 14,000 Euros is her white whale and she wants it no matter the cost. At this point she is obsessed with it.


Personal success is the best form of revenge.

The litigious-loon should have known when to let it go and move on in life. Instead she effectively destroyed her own life for sixteen years in an attempt to destroy someone else. Quite frankly that makes me see the not-dead woman as the victor. Not-dead woman just went on with normal life while litigious-loon insisted on repeatedly hitting herself in the head with a hammer. Had the revenge-seeker moved on, got a better job, had a successful relationship and family life, and never once thought about one job she lost that time, that would have made her the winner. As it is she sounds like she needs some assistance with her mental health.
 
2021-01-19 11:01:34 PM  
A guy gave a talk at Black Hat and Ruxcon called "I will kill you" about how easy it is to get someone declared dead due to no real cross checks between departments.  He showed that anyone can register as a known doctor or funeral director and provide an gmail address, then that email address can be used to obtain login credentials for the state records office which needs both the doctor and a funeral director to provide some details. Once that is done, the auto cancelation of everything in their life is nearly automatic depending on the state.  There is no easy way to undo any of that.  His latter talks go on about how births aren't properly registered either and there tend to be a large number of kids that don't get into the system until they old enough to talk.
 
2021-01-20 12:00:36 AM  
Easily fixed.

Go commit a crime.  Nothing like murder or anything where you are going to wind up in prison for life.  But enough of a crime that warrants the DA (or whatever France has) to pursue charges.   They'll have to immediately resolve the "legally dead" bit because otherwise, how do you charge someone declared legally dead with a crime?
 
2021-01-20 12:24:39 AM  
Wasn't there an episode of "All In The Family" about this? Archie was listed as dead in the government system and had a hell of a time getting it fixed?
 
2021-01-20 1:46:56 AM  
"Well I got better!"
 
2021-01-20 3:23:23 AM  

DON.MAC: A guy gave a talk at Black Hat and Ruxcon called "I will kill you" about how easy it is to get someone declared dead due to no real cross checks between departments.  He showed that anyone can register as a known doctor or funeral director and provide an gmail address, then that email address can be used to obtain login credentials for the state records office which needs both the doctor and a funeral director to provide some details. Once that is done, the auto cancelation of everything in their life is nearly automatic depending on the state.  There is no easy way to undo any of that.  His latter talks go on about how births aren't properly registered either and there tend to be a large number of kids that don't get into the system until they old enough to talk.


I'm almost certain the complete and utter incapability of systems to handle identity theft is intentional, rather than incompetence. Impersonation has been happening for thousands of years, and plenty of powerful people get up to shiat that might require a quick exit to another name in another state.

It's a conspiracy theory, but while incompetence explains most of the implementation of the current laws, it's hard to jibe the creation of those laws with another but ill intent. No one actually trusts anyone that much.

(Of course, some of them are less than surprisingly linked to post-reconstruction suppression, as well.)
 
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