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(CNN)   Because his administration just can't go quietly into the night while sitting on the toilet, Trump's education commission decides that MLK day is a great time to release a racist report as a counter to the NYT's 1619 project   (cnn.com) divider line
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2021-01-19 3:19:26 AM  
48 votes:
I farking hate this administration.
 
2021-01-19 3:20:07 AM  
39 votes:
Did Stephen Miller write that "report?"  That was some of the dumbest drivel I've ever read.
 
2021-01-19 3:23:03 AM  
38 votes:
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2021-01-19 3:52:37 AM  
31 votes:
What an absolute f*cking horror show this administration was.

In my deepest feelings of dread at the end of 2016 I feared that the administration would do lasting damage to the country's reputation and important international relationships.  I was deeply pessimistic about how he would conduct himself, even as many people hoped he would rise to the occasion.

Turns out I was not nearly pessimistic enough.  The last 4 years has been significantly beyond my worst expectations, and the damage to our country was very nearly complete.  In the wake of his corruption and authoritarian tendencies, the moral decrepitude of the Republican electorate, and the shamefully amoral cowardice of GOP elected officials, it is clear that by the time Biden leaves office the office of the Presidency needs to have less authority, we need more anti-corruption laws instead of just norms, and the laws we do have need very, very sharp teeth.
 
2021-01-19 3:22:55 AM  
29 votes:
Knowing that Trump won't be the President tomorrow makes me so happy.
 
2021-01-19 3:21:32 AM  
29 votes:

ModernLuddite: I'm legitimately shocked they didn't somehow blame Communism and Satanists while they were at it.


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2021-01-19 3:16:43 AM  
28 votes:
I'm legitimately shocked they didn't somehow blame Communism and Satanists while they were at it.
 
2021-01-19 3:17:34 AM  
25 votes:
Dog-whistling subtext: "I'm still a racist white supremacist, please send me money so I can run again in 2024, like seriously, lots of money. I'm not kidding. Whatever you can spare. Else the blacks won't be black anymore and they'll move in next door. Send cash now."
 
2021-01-19 3:55:25 AM  
24 votes:
Dr. Ibram X. Kendi's response:

"I just finished reading the 1776 Commission Report. It claims America is "the most just and glorious country in all of human history." And that this is the great founding truth of America. And anything less than this great truth is a great lie expressed by anti-Americans. But it does not take long to read this report as the last great lie from a Trump administration of great lies.

"This report makes it seems as if slaveholding founding fathers were abolitionists; that Americans were the early beacon of the global abolitionist movement; that the demise of slavery in the United States was inevitable; that those espousing identity politics today are no different than proslavery theorists like John C. Calhoun; that since the civil rights movement, Black people have been given "privileges" and "preferential treatment" in nearly every sector of society, which would be news to Black people. If we have commonly been given preferential treatment, then why do Black people remain on the lower and dying end of nearly every racial disparity and inequity? When these writers answer this question, they express racist ideas of Black inferiority while claiming they are "not racist."

"The report also claims that identity politics "values people by characteristics like race, sex, and sexual orientation," when actually identity politics points out that people are devalued in American society because of characteristics like race, sex, and sexual orientation. Why else would women say #MeToo? Why else would we say #Blacklivesmatter? These are expressions of valuing us in a society devaluing us, and what keeps happening to us.

"Finally, the report calls for "restoring patriotic education that teaches the truth about America. That doesn't mean ignoring the faults in our past, but rather viewing our history clearly and wholly, with reverence and love." Does this mean that the descendants of enslaved people and the descendants of slaveholders should view their ancestors' enslavement and slaveholding clearly and wholly with reverence and love? Can anything be more shameful?

"I think not. But that is the point. We are supposed to revere and love the founding fathers no matter what some of them did, or rather did not do; just as Trump desires us to revere and love him no matter what. And Trump supporters call their fealty, freedom. We call their fealty, tyranny.

"The 1776 Commission Report is calling forth our fealty to tyranny. But we will resist, like we resisted the proslavery founding fathers and their ideological descendants who wrote this report."
 
2021-01-19 3:21:23 AM  
20 votes:
Miller has been in control for 3 years. His family has even disowned him at this point.
 
2021-01-19 3:27:23 AM  
19 votes:

blastoh: ModernLuddite: I'm legitimately shocked they didn't somehow blame Communism and Satanists while they were at it.

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Slavery = 2 pages of bad
Libs = 4 pages of bad
 
2021-01-19 3:37:23 AM  
18 votes:
Look, I drank half a bottle of fireball whiskey tonight, so I am drunk as hell.  That said, no matter how many times I reread that article, I can't make sense of what Trump's people are trying to say.  It sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook.  Obviously, they are trying to convince a bunch of half wits that they have something meaningful, but honestly, even as intoxicated as I am now, and I am three sheets to the wind, it still sounds like they are trying to argue that slavery was good, and that we shouldn't be upset about the whole thing of people owning other people.

Then again, given that most Republican employers don't seem to understand why their employees would need a living wage, it isn't a huge stretch to imagine why they would think said employees need any kinds of rights or other basic human dignity.
 
2021-01-19 3:33:12 AM  
18 votes:
Remember, he initially planned to hold his first COVID super-spreader rally (the one that killed nearly a dozen of his supporters including Herman Cain, and sickened lots more [would've been far worse without the TikTok and K-Pop kids' little prank that saved maybe dozens of lives ― yes, this is the event he did the Walk of Not Gettin' His Fix from Marine 1 afterwards, which was set to the "Lonely Man" music from The Incredible Hulk TV series]) in Tulsa on the 99th Anniversary of the bombing of Black Wall Street and eradication of that community there. If it hadn't been for HBO's Watchmen limited series bringing that to public consciousness (it's not in many history books thanks to the United Daughters of the Confederacy et al), he might've gotten away with it. As it is, he moved it back a whole day so that it wouldn't be right on the anniversary.
 
2021-01-19 3:50:14 AM  
13 votes:

winedrinkingman: Look, I drank half a bottle of fireball whiskey tonight, so I am drunk as hell.  That said, no matter how many times I reread that article, I can't make sense of what Trump's people are trying to say.  It sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook.  Obviously, they are trying to convince a bunch of half wits that they have something meaningful, but honestly, even as intoxicated as I am now, and I am three sheets to the wind, it still sounds like they are trying to argue that slavery was good, and that we shouldn't be upset about the whole thing of people owning other people.

Then again, given that most Republican employers don't seem to understand why their employees would need a living wage, it isn't a huge stretch to imagine why they would think said employees need any kinds of rights or other basic human dignity.

still sounds like they are trying to argue that slavery was good, and that we shouldn't be upset about the whole thing of people owning other people.


they're not trying to say it. They are just saying it outright.

you're getting stuck because you having trouble processing the outright racism and misogyny running through the "counsel" and their "report".
 
2021-01-19 3:14:34 AM  
13 votes:
yea Turnip would do that 400 years after the fact.
 
2021-01-19 3:53:54 AM  
10 votes:
Denying science isn't enough, they need to deny history too. What's next, geography?
 
2021-01-19 3:51:11 AM  
10 votes:
The report argues that identity politics are "the opposite of King's hope that his children would 'live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.'"

We did judge the Flim Flam Führer by the content of his character, and found him wanting. Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin.
 
2021-01-19 3:25:43 AM  
10 votes:
The quotes make this read like a greatest hits of conservative PC whining.
 
2021-01-19 10:12:56 AM  
9 votes:
Fun fact, Trump's 1776 committee has ZERO actual US historians.
 
2021-01-19 4:09:30 AM  
9 votes:

Brat E. Pants: Dr. Ibram X. Kendi's response:

"I just finished reading the 1776 Commission Report. It claims America is "the most just and glorious country in all of human history." And that this is the great founding truth of America. And anything less than this great truth is a great lie expressed by anti-Americans. But it does not take long to read this report as the last great lie from a Trump administration of great lies.

"This report makes it seems as if slaveholding founding fathers were abolitionists; that Americans were the early beacon of the global abolitionist movement; that the demise of slavery in the United States was inevitable; that those espousing identity politics today are no different than proslavery theorists like John C. Calhoun; that since the civil rights movement, Black people have been given "privileges" and "preferential treatment" in nearly every sector of society, which would be news to Black people. If we have commonly been given preferential treatment, then why do Black people remain on the lower and dying end of nearly every racial disparity and inequity? When these writers answer this question, they express racist ideas of Black inferiority while claiming they are "not racist."

"The report also claims that identity politics "values people by characteristics like race, sex, and sexual orientation," when actually identity politics points out that people are devalued in American society because of characteristics like race, sex, and sexual orientation. Why else would women say #MeToo? Why else would we say #Blacklivesmatter? These are expressions of valuing us in a society devaluing us, and what keeps happening to us.

"Finally, the report calls for "restoring patriotic education that teaches the truth about America. That doesn't mean ignoring the faults in our past, but rather viewing our history clearly and wholly, with reverence and love." Does this mean that the descendants of enslaved people and the descendants of slaveholders should view their ancestors' enslavement and slaveholding clearly and wholly with reverence and love? Can anything be more shameful?

"I think not. But that is the point. We are supposed to revere and love the founding fathers no matter what some of them did, or rather did not do; just as Trump desires us to revere and love him no matter what. And Trump supporters call their fealty, freedom. We call their fealty, tyranny.

"The 1776 Commission Report is calling forth our fealty to tyranny. But we will resist, like we resisted the proslavery founding fathers and their ideological descendants who wrote this report."


eloquent and to the point. I only wish I could speak half so well.
 
2021-01-19 3:34:16 AM  
9 votes:
As an aside, if you get the opportunity to visit the civil rights museum in Memphis, DO IT.  I'm a pretty jaded motherfarker, but I was about in tears by the time I walked out of there.
 
2021-01-19 3:30:10 AM  
9 votes:
32.5 hours.
 
2021-01-19 3:26:16 AM  
9 votes:
It's not an accident or coincidence.
 
2021-01-19 3:54:58 AM  
7 votes:
Is there anything IN the report, or is it just 100 pages of hyperventilating opinion?
 
2021-01-19 10:32:14 AM  
6 votes:

Man with the Red Eyes: Did Stephen Miller write that "report?"  That was some of the dumbest drivel I've ever read.


No historians were involved.

The premise is ludicrous.

Boomers rally need to get over 1964 and this American exceptionalism crap.
 
2021-01-19 3:24:42 AM  
6 votes:
That report reads like a bad parody.
 
2021-01-19 9:50:44 AM  
5 votes:
"a dispositive rebuttal of reckless 're-education' attempts that seek to reframe American history around the idea that the United States is not an exceptional country but an evil one."

Is there something I'm unaware of that makes those two adjectives mutually exclusive?  We can be exceptional at times and evil at times.  We can also be exceptionally evil.

Self-righteous Ultra-Nationalism is just Divine Right of Kings with extra steps.
 
2021-01-19 9:49:27 AM  
5 votes:

Huggermugger: I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree. I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it.. She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated. And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


And the Anti-Americanism had babies and one of the babies looked at Huggermugger
 
2021-01-19 9:39:52 AM  
5 votes:

Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


What bullshiat is this?
 
2021-01-19 9:34:52 AM  
5 votes:
Is it still a dog whistle when EVERYONE can hear it?
 
2021-01-19 9:29:06 AM  
5 votes:
Not one single academic of any substance - and not a single accredited historian.

This is just a buncha conservative "feelings" about their country.
 
2021-01-19 4:21:29 AM  
5 votes:

Skyfrog: Knowing that Trump won't be the President tomorrow makes me so happy.


Same here. Unfortunately, he may be gone, but the people he enabled will remain with you for a very long time. He gave a voice to racists, gave them a platform etc. It is just horrible.

I wish there'd been a chance to simply vote Hitler out of office in the 1930s, because that's the historic equivalent of what happend in November. In two years it'll be the next test to remove trumpism* and everyone who supports it.

*It's a proper word by now. Not sure exactly how it is precisely defined, but isolationism, big lies, "fake news", Nazi techniques in the 21st century etc. are all part of it.
 
2021-01-19 4:12:53 AM  
5 votes:
Oh man...wow...that is just a steaming pile of shiat in an easily searchable form.
 
2021-01-19 4:05:33 AM  
5 votes:

PartTimeBuddha: [www2.b3ta.com image 600x750]


That's pretty disrespectful to Darth Vader.
 
2021-01-19 3:28:54 AM  
5 votes:

Troy McClure: blastoh: ModernLuddite: I'm legitimately shocked they didn't somehow blame Communism and Satanists while they were at it.

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Slavery = 2 pages of bad
Libs = 4 pages of bad


Silly libs, always complaining.
 
2021-01-19 11:50:36 AM  
4 votes:

Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


Which textbook would that be, exactly?  And was it referring to colonialism or American interference in central/south american banana republics?
 
2021-01-19 10:25:06 AM  
4 votes:
He came into office as a moron, leaves office as a bigger moron.
 
2021-01-19 4:32:11 AM  
4 votes:

casual disregard: Evil has no face!

But it's usually white men.


Just like....sigh. Just stop being evil.

Why is that so hard?
 
2021-01-19 4:28:22 AM  
4 votes:
Evil has no face!

But it's usually white men.
 
2021-01-19 4:17:05 AM  
4 votes:
Fta: "Trump, speaking last fall, called the project "toxic propaganda."

Because of course he did.

Its like raaaaain....
 
2021-01-19 4:10:16 AM  
4 votes:

Skyfrog: Knowing that Trump won't be the President tomorrow makes me so happy.


Uh, sorry. Very sorry. It's high noon on the 20th. At that moment, his term expires.

I have set an alarm in advance so I can know when to be dancing.

/All times are local.
 
2021-01-19 4:08:28 AM  
4 votes:
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2021-01-19 3:59:13 AM  
4 votes:
"...This division is severe enough to call to mind the disagreements between the colonists and King George, and those between Confederate and Union forces during the Civil War," the report states.

wait. wait wait wait-wait-wait. are they seriously attempting to conflate those two things?!

...

nytmare: Denying science isn't enough, they need to deny history too. What's next, geography?


see, you say that, but...
 
2021-01-19 1:24:04 PM  
3 votes:

skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: dracos31: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: Combating fiction with more fiction is no way to go through life

Oh by all means, do tell us "about the negro".

Cute. But a considerable amount of historians have debunked the 1619 project. But that won't stop you from baselessly slandering. Your tactics are stale


Heritage Foundation alumni; the same whackos who clutch their pearls at any refusal to declare America the physical manifestation of Jesus by educators, aren't exactly a who's who of people to take seriously.
 
2021-01-19 11:03:05 AM  
3 votes:
Took me farking years to get over being taught "states rights" bullshiat, add a bunch more farkers to the ball kicking pile
 
2021-01-19 10:31:44 AM  
3 votes:

PickleBarrel: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

ooooh...some random anonymous person on the internet has an opinion about something....we don't know what, BUT he's a super libby-lib and some unknown history book from 25 YEARS AGO was bad!  We don't know anything about any of this, but take his word! IT WAS BAD!

The TONE of it! MAN! we shouldn't trust those libby-lib history books!


An account we're never seen before but has been around since 2005.  Drew is really making that money.
 
2021-01-19 10:09:50 AM  
3 votes:

skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: Combating fiction with more fiction is no way to go through life


Oh by all means, do tell us "about the negro".
 
2021-01-19 9:59:43 AM  
3 votes:

Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


ooooh...some random anonymous person on the internet has an opinion about something....we don't know what, BUT he's a super libby-lib and some unknown history book from 25 YEARS AGO was bad!  We don't know anything about any of this, but take his word! IT WAS BAD!

The TONE of it! MAN! we shouldn't trust those libby-lib history books!
 
2021-01-19 9:50:46 AM  
3 votes:

winedrinkingman: Look, I drank half a bottle of fireball whiskey tonight, so I am drunk as hell.  That said, no matter how many times I reread that article, I can't make sense of what Trump's people are trying to say.  It sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook.  Obviously, they are trying to convince a bunch of half wits that they have something meaningful, but honestly, even as intoxicated as I am now, and I am three sheets to the wind, it still sounds like they are trying to argue that slavery was good, and that we shouldn't be upset about the whole thing of people owning other people.

Then again, given that most Republican employers don't seem to understand why their employees would need a living wage, it isn't a huge stretch to imagine why they would think said employees need any kinds of rights or other basic human dignity.


Your choice in beverages aside, they're trying to claim slavery was the money maker of the day and had been around since history began.  But instead of taking slaves after a battle they found an entire continent to rape and destroy at will.

They also overlook that many colonies initially were just ways for the terminally broke Stuarts and managerial Hanoverians to make cash or deal with problems they wanted nothing to do with (hello Georgia, Massachusetts, and Maryland)
 
2021-01-19 9:27:43 AM  
3 votes:

The Reverend Sam Hill: The report argues that identity politics are "the opposite of King's hope that his children would 'live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.'"

We did judge the Flim Flam Führer by the content of his character, and found him wanting. Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin.


To be fair, I absolutely did judge him based on the color of the weird paint on his skin in addition to his lack of character.
 
2021-01-19 9:11:37 AM  
3 votes:
They spent a lot of money to write "How come they can use that word, but I can't?  And what about rap music?  More like CRAP music, amirite?"
 
2021-01-19 5:08:55 AM  
3 votes:
This is just farking stupid.

Two days.
 
2021-01-19 4:57:30 AM  
3 votes:
This is like the Rush Limbaugh kids books on American history upgraded to third grade reading level. "Rush Revere and the myth of slavery"
 
2021-01-19 4:48:38 AM  
3 votes:
He's grown predictable and boring at this point. The formula is simple: in every situation, do the shiattiest possible thing that will provoke the most possible "outrage" from normal people. Couldn't he mix it up once in awhile? Maybe try being a decent human being for a change? No wonder he wasn't renewed.
 
2021-01-19 4:37:22 AM  
3 votes:
God dammit Steve!

/you know it was miller
 
2021-01-19 4:04:01 AM  
3 votes:

tintar: "...This division is severe enough to call to mind the disagreements between the colonists and King George, and those between Confederate and Union forces during the Civil War," the report states.

wait. wait wait wait-wait-wait. are they seriously attempting to conflate those two things?!

...

nytmare: Denying science isn't enough, they need to deny history too. What's next, geography?

see, you say that, but...


It's alternative geography.
 
2021-01-19 3:39:50 AM  
3 votes:

winedrinkingman: Look, I drank half a bottle of fireball whiskey tonight, so I am drunk as hell.  That said, no matter how many times I reread that article, I can't make sense of what Trump's people are trying to say.  It sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook.  Obviously, they are trying to convince a bunch of half wits that they have something meaningful, but honestly, even as intoxicated as I am now, and I am three sheets to the wind, it still sounds like they are trying to argue that slavery was good, and that we shouldn't be upset about the whole thing of people owning other people.

Then again, given that most Republican employers don't seem to understand why their employees would need a living wage, it isn't a huge stretch to imagine why they would think said employees need any kinds of rights or other basic human dignity.


Yea, probably hit the noodle on that. I gave up half way in.
 
2021-01-19 3:31:52 AM  
3 votes:
so tired of this asshole, 10 hours to go.
 
2021-01-19 2:28:03 PM  
2 votes:

saturn badger: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

Quick finishing thought. I met my ex when she was in college and I was a blue collar partying dude. He came from a conservative family and had never met people like us libby partyers. Our influence turned her away from the conservative values of her upbringing because we were more fun to be with.

So in her case her peers steered her, not the college. We have discussed this many times.


Honestly, this has a huge effect. People become more liberal in college by having to think differently in their classes, but mostly because of interacting with tons of people from different places and backgrounds. And if you grew up a conservative shut-in, well, all the stuff your parents were keeping from you is right here, and you quickly learn it isn't the dangerous, satanic nonsense they told you it was. And if they were lying about that, what else were they lying about?
 
2021-01-19 1:02:57 PM  
2 votes:

Huggermugger: Antimatter: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

Which textbook would that be, exactly?  And was it referring to colonialism or American interference in central/south american banana republics?

The chapters I recall reading were about African colonialism, but the author extrapolated that to American imperialism.


What incorrect statements did the author make about American imperialism? Surely you can remember them if they were so horribly wrong you're complaining about it a quarter-century later.
 
2021-01-19 12:16:38 PM  
2 votes:
A historian decided to look up who the authors are, and most of them have no background in that field:
https://twitter.com/torstenkathke/sta​t​us/1351313689530478592

They didn't include any citations either.  But that's ok, someone looked for plagiarism by running the text through Turn It In, and it said 26%.
https://twitter.com/Dr_C_Thompson/sta​t​us/1351331998493782018
 
2021-01-19 9:26:36 AM  
2 votes:

Mad-Hamlet: Crazy Lee: Brat E. Pants: Dr. Ibram X. Kendi's response:

"Finally, the report calls for "restoring patriotic education that teaches the truth about America. That doesn't mean ignoring the faults in our past, but rather viewing our history clearly and wholly, with reverence and love." Does this mean that the descendants of enslaved people and the descendants of slaveholders ...

You call this well written?
You must be joking.
I agree with a few of the points but more of it is sweeping generalizations and cherry picking than not. It's just as bad, if a bit more concise, than the 1776 offal.


The reply wasn't written to appeal to the Fark Brigade.
 
2021-01-19 4:25:48 AM  
2 votes:

Brat E. Pants: Dr. Ibram X. Kendi's response:

"I just finished reading the 1776 Commission Report. It claims America is "the most just and glorious country in all of human history." And that this is the great founding truth of America. And anything less than this great truth is a great lie expressed by anti-Americans. But it does not take long to read this report as the last great lie from a Trump administration of great lies.

"This report makes it seems as if slaveholding founding fathers were abolitionists; that Americans were the early beacon of the global abolitionist movement; that the demise of slavery in the United States was inevitable; that those espousing identity politics today are no different than proslavery theorists like John C. Calhoun; that since the civil rights movement, Black people have been given "privileges" and "preferential treatment" in nearly every sector of society, which would be news to Black people. If we have commonly been given preferential treatment, then why do Black people remain on the lower and dying end of nearly every racial disparity and inequity? When these writers answer this question, they express racist ideas of Black inferiority while claiming they are "not racist."

"The report also claims that identity politics "values people by characteristics like race, sex, and sexual orientation," when actually identity politics points out that people are devalued in American society because of characteristics like race, sex, and sexual orientation. Why else would women say #MeToo? Why else would we say #Blacklivesmatter? These are expressions of valuing us in a society devaluing us, and what keeps happening to us.

"Finally, the report calls for "restoring patriotic education that teaches the truth about America. That doesn't mean ignoring the faults in our past, but rather viewing our history clearly and wholly, with reverence and love." Does this mean that the descendants of enslaved people and the descendants of slaveholders should view the ...


Stopped reading that embarrassment at first mention of  "Deep State".
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content​/​uploads/2021/01/The-Presidents-Advisor​y-1776-Commission-Final-Report.pdf
 
2021-01-19 3:55:28 AM  
2 votes:

nytmare: Denying science isn't enough, they need to deny history too. What's next, geography?


Gravity. Cliffs are a lie
 
2021-01-19 3:33:41 AM  
2 votes:

Boo_Guy: There's a lot coming out of Trump regime lately, I wonder if the healthcare plan is ready yet.


Not yet. Infrastructure is first on the list.
 
2021-01-19 3:29:29 AM  
2 votes:
American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.
 
2021-01-19 4:03:41 PM  
1 vote:

Huggermugger: UndeadPoetsSociety: Huggermugger: Antimatter: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

Which textbook would that be, exactly?  And was it referring to colonialism or American interference in central/south american banana republics?

The chapters I recall reading were about African colonialism, but the author extrapolated that to American imperialism.

What incorrect statements did the author make about American imperialism? Surely you can remember them if they were so horribly wr ...

No, I don't recall the specifics.  But I do recall how distorted they sounded.


'Sounded', huh? So, basically, you didn't like our genocidal colonialism being lumped in with European colonialism just as though the peoples America massacred were human beings too.
 
2021-01-19 2:07:24 PM  
1 vote:

Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


Quick finishing thought. I met my ex when she was in college and I was a blue collar partying dude. He came from a conservative family and had never met people like us libby partyers. Our influence turned her away from the conservative values of her upbringing because we were more fun to be with.

So in her case her peers steered her, not the college. We have discussed this many times.
 
2021-01-19 12:37:08 PM  
1 vote:
special privileges

Name ONE.
 
2021-01-19 12:34:06 PM  
1 vote:

Antimatter: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

Which textbook would that be, exactly?  And was it referring to colonialism or American interference in central/south american banana republics?


The chapters I recall reading were about African colonialism, but the author extrapolated that to American imperialism.

Of course, it wasn't an apology for the Belgian administration of the Congo, like Newt Gingrich's opus, but then we can't all be highly-esteemed historians on the faculty of West Georgia College.
 
2021-01-19 12:28:33 PM  
1 vote:

Latinwolf: An account we're never seen before but has been around since 2005.  Drew is really making that money.


"Never seen"?  I post quite frequently.
 
2021-01-19 11:41:45 AM  
1 vote:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Man with the Red Eyes: Did Stephen Miller write that "report?"  That was some of the dumbest drivel I've ever read.

No historians were involved.

The premise is ludicrous.

Boomers rally need to get over 1964 and this American exceptionalism crap.


Steven Miller is not a boomer.   The dream that all the racist douchebaggery will just disappear when the last boomer dies needs to, well die.

Anyway, I'm not reading this thing.   But does it mention that George Washington did indeed chop down that cherry tree?
 
2021-01-19 11:14:49 AM  
1 vote:

skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: dracos31: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: Combating fiction with more fiction is no way to go through life

Oh by all means, do tell us "about the negro".

Cute. But a considerable amount of historians have debunked the 1619 project. But that won't stop you from baselessly slandering. Your tactics are stale


There is not a single "historian" on the 1776 project.
There are several on the 1619 project.
 
2021-01-19 11:09:44 AM  
1 vote:

dracos31: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: Combating fiction with more fiction is no way to go through life

Oh by all means, do tell us "about the negro".


Cute. But a considerable amount of historians have debunked the 1619 project. But that won't stop you from baselessly slandering. Your tactics are stale
 
2021-01-19 11:09:02 AM  
1 vote:

Bugerz: Miller has been in control for 3 years. His family has even disowned him at this point.


Trump, Miller, and company are a great argument for abortion.
 
2021-01-19 10:38:23 AM  
1 vote:

nytmare: Denying science isn't enough, they need to deny history too. What's next, geography?


Hear about the Flat Earth Society?
 
2021-01-19 9:32:47 AM  
1 vote:
There are people alive today (sure in old folks homes) who had grandparents who told them all about history.
 
2021-01-19 4:34:28 AM  
1 vote:
While the 1619 project is hot garbage, this report is even worse.  Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
2021-01-19 3:38:44 AM  
1 vote:
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2021-01-19 3:32:09 AM  
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There's a lot coming out of Trump regime lately, I wonder if the healthcare plan is ready yet.
 
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