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(CNN)   Because his administration just can't go quietly into the night while sitting on the toilet, Trump's education commission decides that MLK day is a great time to release a racist report as a counter to the NYT's 1619 project   (cnn.com) divider line
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2021-01-19 4:37:22 AM  
God dammit Steve!

/you know it was miller
 
2021-01-19 4:48:38 AM  
He's grown predictable and boring at this point. The formula is simple: in every situation, do the shiattiest possible thing that will provoke the most possible "outrage" from normal people. Couldn't he mix it up once in awhile? Maybe try being a decent human being for a change? No wonder he wasn't renewed.
 
2021-01-19 4:57:30 AM  
This is like the Rush Limbaugh kids books on American history upgraded to third grade reading level. "Rush Revere and the myth of slavery"
 
2021-01-19 5:07:48 AM  

Crazy Lee: Brat E. Pants: Dr. Ibram X. Kendi's response:

"Finally, the report calls for "restoring patriotic education that teaches the truth about America. That doesn't mean ignoring the faults in our past, but rather viewing our history clearly and wholly, with reverence and love." Does this mean that the descendants of enslaved people and the descendants of slaveholders ...


You call this well written?
You must be joking.
I agree with a few of the points but more of it is sweeping generalizations and cherry picking than not. It's just as bad, if a bit more concise, than the 1776 offal.
 
2021-01-19 5:08:55 AM  
This is just farking stupid.

Two days.
 
2021-01-19 9:11:37 AM  
They spent a lot of money to write "How come they can use that word, but I can't?  And what about rap music?  More like CRAP music, amirite?"
 
2021-01-19 9:22:37 AM  
Combating fiction with more fiction is no way to go through life
 
2021-01-19 9:24:48 AM  
Any of these 'patriots' that wrote this literary manifestation of Trump's entire ethos of trying to will non-reality into existence attach their names to the report?
 
2021-01-19 9:26:36 AM  

Mad-Hamlet: Crazy Lee: Brat E. Pants: Dr. Ibram X. Kendi's response:

"Finally, the report calls for "restoring patriotic education that teaches the truth about America. That doesn't mean ignoring the faults in our past, but rather viewing our history clearly and wholly, with reverence and love." Does this mean that the descendants of enslaved people and the descendants of slaveholders ...

You call this well written?
You must be joking.
I agree with a few of the points but more of it is sweeping generalizations and cherry picking than not. It's just as bad, if a bit more concise, than the 1776 offal.


The reply wasn't written to appeal to the Fark Brigade.
 
2021-01-19 9:27:43 AM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: The report argues that identity politics are "the opposite of King's hope that his children would 'live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.'"

We did judge the Flim Flam Führer by the content of his character, and found him wanting. Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin.


To be fair, I absolutely did judge him based on the color of the weird paint on his skin in addition to his lack of character.
 
2021-01-19 9:28:26 AM  

saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.


I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.
 
2021-01-19 9:29:06 AM  
Not one single academic of any substance - and not a single accredited historian.

This is just a buncha conservative "feelings" about their country.
 
2021-01-19 9:30:34 AM  
While Trump's appointments on the commission are for two years, it is unclear if the group will meet again once President-elect Joe Biden takes office.

I think it's clear that the Commission will not be meeting again.  That's why they got one report issued. At the same time I think we need not embrace the 1619 Project as well as it has many deficiencies.
 
2021-01-19 9:32:47 AM  
There are people alive today (sure in old folks homes) who had grandparents who told them all about history.
 
2021-01-19 9:34:52 AM  
Is it still a dog whistle when EVERYONE can hear it?
 
2021-01-19 9:39:52 AM  

Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


What bullshiat is this?
 
2021-01-19 9:49:27 AM  

Huggermugger: I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree. I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it.. She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated. And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


And the Anti-Americanism had babies and one of the babies looked at Huggermugger
 
2021-01-19 9:50:44 AM  
"a dispositive rebuttal of reckless 're-education' attempts that seek to reframe American history around the idea that the United States is not an exceptional country but an evil one."

Is there something I'm unaware of that makes those two adjectives mutually exclusive?  We can be exceptional at times and evil at times.  We can also be exceptionally evil.

Self-righteous Ultra-Nationalism is just Divine Right of Kings with extra steps.
 
2021-01-19 9:50:46 AM  

winedrinkingman: Look, I drank half a bottle of fireball whiskey tonight, so I am drunk as hell.  That said, no matter how many times I reread that article, I can't make sense of what Trump's people are trying to say.  It sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook.  Obviously, they are trying to convince a bunch of half wits that they have something meaningful, but honestly, even as intoxicated as I am now, and I am three sheets to the wind, it still sounds like they are trying to argue that slavery was good, and that we shouldn't be upset about the whole thing of people owning other people.

Then again, given that most Republican employers don't seem to understand why their employees would need a living wage, it isn't a huge stretch to imagine why they would think said employees need any kinds of rights or other basic human dignity.


Your choice in beverages aside, they're trying to claim slavery was the money maker of the day and had been around since history began.  But instead of taking slaves after a battle they found an entire continent to rape and destroy at will.

They also overlook that many colonies initially were just ways for the terminally broke Stuarts and managerial Hanoverians to make cash or deal with problems they wanted nothing to do with (hello Georgia, Massachusetts, and Maryland)
 
2021-01-19 9:59:43 AM  

Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


ooooh...some random anonymous person on the internet has an opinion about something....we don't know what, BUT he's a super libby-lib and some unknown history book from 25 YEARS AGO was bad!  We don't know anything about any of this, but take his word! IT WAS BAD!

The TONE of it! MAN! we shouldn't trust those libby-lib history books!
 
2021-01-19 10:09:50 AM  

skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: Combating fiction with more fiction is no way to go through life


Oh by all means, do tell us "about the negro".
 
2021-01-19 10:12:56 AM  
Fun fact, Trump's 1776 committee has ZERO actual US historians.
 
2021-01-19 10:14:57 AM  
Bonus: according to someone on Twitter, the 1776 report has a Turnitin score of 21%.
 
2021-01-19 10:25:06 AM  
He came into office as a moron, leaves office as a bigger moron.
 
2021-01-19 10:31:44 AM  

PickleBarrel: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

ooooh...some random anonymous person on the internet has an opinion about something....we don't know what, BUT he's a super libby-lib and some unknown history book from 25 YEARS AGO was bad!  We don't know anything about any of this, but take his word! IT WAS BAD!

The TONE of it! MAN! we shouldn't trust those libby-lib history books!


An account we're never seen before but has been around since 2005.  Drew is really making that money.
 
2021-01-19 10:32:14 AM  

Man with the Red Eyes: Did Stephen Miller write that "report?"  That was some of the dumbest drivel I've ever read.


No historians were involved.

The premise is ludicrous.

Boomers rally need to get over 1964 and this American exceptionalism crap.
 
2021-01-19 10:38:23 AM  

nytmare: Denying science isn't enough, they need to deny history too. What's next, geography?


Hear about the Flat Earth Society?
 
2021-01-19 11:03:05 AM  
Took me farking years to get over being taught "states rights" bullshiat, add a bunch more farkers to the ball kicking pile
 
2021-01-19 11:09:02 AM  

Bugerz: Miller has been in control for 3 years. His family has even disowned him at this point.


Trump, Miller, and company are a great argument for abortion.
 
2021-01-19 11:09:44 AM  

dracos31: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: Combating fiction with more fiction is no way to go through life

Oh by all means, do tell us "about the negro".


Cute. But a considerable amount of historians have debunked the 1619 project. But that won't stop you from baselessly slandering. Your tactics are stale
 
2021-01-19 11:14:49 AM  

skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: dracos31: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: Combating fiction with more fiction is no way to go through life

Oh by all means, do tell us "about the negro".

Cute. But a considerable amount of historians have debunked the 1619 project. But that won't stop you from baselessly slandering. Your tactics are stale


There is not a single "historian" on the 1776 project.
There are several on the 1619 project.
 
2021-01-19 11:24:03 AM  

dracos31: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: dracos31: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: Combating fiction with more fiction is no way to go through life

Oh by all means, do tell us "about the negro".

Cute. But a considerable amount of historians have debunked the 1619 project. But that won't stop you from baselessly slandering. Your tactics are stale

There is not a single "historian" on the 1776 project.
There are several on the 1619 project.


I never said there was
 
2021-01-19 11:41:45 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Man with the Red Eyes: Did Stephen Miller write that "report?"  That was some of the dumbest drivel I've ever read.

No historians were involved.

The premise is ludicrous.

Boomers rally need to get over 1964 and this American exceptionalism crap.


Steven Miller is not a boomer.   The dream that all the racist douchebaggery will just disappear when the last boomer dies needs to, well die.

Anyway, I'm not reading this thing.   But does it mention that George Washington did indeed chop down that cherry tree?
 
2021-01-19 11:45:17 AM  
Even going in with low expectations, wow, what a dumb pile of shiat that was.
 
2021-01-19 11:50:36 AM  

Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


Which textbook would that be, exactly?  And was it referring to colonialism or American interference in central/south american banana republics?
 
2021-01-19 11:54:00 AM  
How  they managed to not blame transgender people for everything (or anything), I don't know.

\\ik don't read the comments
 
2021-01-19 12:16:38 PM  
A historian decided to look up who the authors are, and most of them have no background in that field:
https://twitter.com/torstenkathke/sta​t​us/1351313689530478592

They didn't include any citations either.  But that's ok, someone looked for plagiarism by running the text through Turn It In, and it said 26%.
https://twitter.com/Dr_C_Thompson/sta​t​us/1351331998493782018
 
2021-01-19 12:17:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: nytmare: Denying science isn't enough, they need to deny history too. What's next, geography?

Gravity. Cliffs are a lie


TRUMP Supporter falls off CAPITOL WALL
Youtube U1quteUnRCo


"Gravity is a lie! ANTIFA made me fall!"
 
2021-01-19 12:28:33 PM  

Latinwolf: An account we're never seen before but has been around since 2005.  Drew is really making that money.


"Never seen"?  I post quite frequently.
 
2021-01-19 12:34:06 PM  

Antimatter: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

Which textbook would that be, exactly?  And was it referring to colonialism or American interference in central/south american banana republics?


The chapters I recall reading were about African colonialism, but the author extrapolated that to American imperialism.

Of course, it wasn't an apology for the Belgian administration of the Congo, like Newt Gingrich's opus, but then we can't all be highly-esteemed historians on the faculty of West Georgia College.
 
2021-01-19 12:37:08 PM  
special privileges

Name ONE.
 
2021-01-19 1:02:57 PM  

Huggermugger: Antimatter: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

Which textbook would that be, exactly?  And was it referring to colonialism or American interference in central/south american banana republics?

The chapters I recall reading were about African colonialism, but the author extrapolated that to American imperialism.


What incorrect statements did the author make about American imperialism? Surely you can remember them if they were so horribly wrong you're complaining about it a quarter-century later.
 
2021-01-19 1:24:04 PM  

skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: dracos31: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: Combating fiction with more fiction is no way to go through life

Oh by all means, do tell us "about the negro".

Cute. But a considerable amount of historians have debunked the 1619 project. But that won't stop you from baselessly slandering. Your tactics are stale


Heritage Foundation alumni; the same whackos who clutch their pearls at any refusal to declare America the physical manifestation of Jesus by educators, aren't exactly a who's who of people to take seriously.
 
2021-01-19 1:38:30 PM  

winedrinkingman: Look, I drank half a bottle of fireball whiskey tonight


User name does not check out.
 
2021-01-19 2:01:46 PM  

Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


Well, sure, nothing is absolute. I spent the 60s in grammar school and was fed all the whitewashed patriotic history about us being the heroes who could do no wrong. Custer was a hero and all that. The history I learned was not the "real" history. It was to instill patriotism more than anything else.

They are not the liberal brainwashing factories they make them out to be. It is quite the opposite. There are many factors and different teachers. Once you hit HS some teachers actually encourage you to think but some keep feeding you the conservative propaganda.

An old MAGAT friend told me his daughter didn't want to go to Berkeley because the trees looked funny. Having spent many hours on the campus (Berkeley was one of my main hangouts when I was younger) I was puzzled and didn't question him any further. I eventually figured out it was because he wasn't going to pay for a liberal uni for her. And yeah. Berkeley is a damn liberal school overall.

Stanford? Not so much.

I guess I was to absolute in my original post. I agree with you but there are exceptions to every rule. You are right. It is more complex than I posted.
 
2021-01-19 2:07:24 PM  

Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.


Quick finishing thought. I met my ex when she was in college and I was a blue collar partying dude. He came from a conservative family and had never met people like us libby partyers. Our influence turned her away from the conservative values of her upbringing because we were more fun to be with.

So in her case her peers steered her, not the college. We have discussed this many times.
 
2021-01-19 2:28:03 PM  

saturn badger: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

Quick finishing thought. I met my ex when she was in college and I was a blue collar partying dude. He came from a conservative family and had never met people like us libby partyers. Our influence turned her away from the conservative values of her upbringing because we were more fun to be with.

So in her case her peers steered her, not the college. We have discussed this many times.


Honestly, this has a huge effect. People become more liberal in college by having to think differently in their classes, but mostly because of interacting with tons of people from different places and backgrounds. And if you grew up a conservative shut-in, well, all the stuff your parents were keeping from you is right here, and you quickly learn it isn't the dangerous, satanic nonsense they told you it was. And if they were lying about that, what else were they lying about?
 
2021-01-19 3:14:06 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: Huggermugger: Antimatter: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

Which textbook would that be, exactly?  And was it referring to colonialism or American interference in central/south american banana republics?

The chapters I recall reading were about African colonialism, but the author extrapolated that to American imperialism.

What incorrect statements did the author make about American imperialism? Surely you can remember them if they were so horribly wr ...


No, I don't recall the specifics.  But I do recall how distorted they sounded.
 
2021-01-19 3:39:10 PM  

Mad-Hamlet: Crazy Lee: Brat E. Pants: Dr. Ibram X. Kendi's response:

"Finally, the report calls for "restoring patriotic education that teaches the truth about America. That doesn't mean ignoring the faults in our past, but rather viewing our history clearly and wholly, with reverence and love." Does this mean that the descendants of enslaved people and the descendants of slaveholders ...

You call this well written?
You must be joking.
I agree with a few of the points but more of it is sweeping generalizations and cherry picking than not. It's just as bad, if a bit more concise, than the 1776 offal.


Didn't stop to read my post, didya?  Let me post that one line reply, again:

Stopped reading that embarrassment at first mention of  "Deep State".

Was merely pointing out that, like all the rest of this previous admin's "thoughty notions", i.e., every admission, a confession (pandering to 'white, "Fundy" christian grievance buddy blather'), investing time refuting such seems superfluous.

/searching for polymorphism conveying "one drop" of smarts:
https://escholarship.org/content/qt91​g​761b3/qt91g761b3_noSplash_0a796cdb2405​9058c5fcd734be4d73b3.pdf?t=n5ebva
 
2021-01-19 4:03:41 PM  

Huggermugger: UndeadPoetsSociety: Huggermugger: Antimatter: Huggermugger: saturn badger: American universities, the report's authors say, are "hotbeds of anti-Americanism, libel, and censorship that combine to generate in students and in the broader culture at the very least disdain and at worst outright hatred for this country." And in a section about to school curriculum, the authors suggest "states and school districts should reject any curriculum that promotes one-sided partisan opinions, activist propaganda, or factional ideologies that demean America's heritage, dishonor our heroes, or deny our principles."

They keep saying this and we all know why but the real reason is mainly exposure of different ideas from their fellow students.

Say someone goes to college and becomes a Q nut. That didn't come from a teacher or the institution. It was their batshiat insane roomie.

But that narrative wouldn't work at all for them.

I beg to differ - there are occasions where anti-Americanism is promoted in university to an alarming degree.  I had a friend whose daughter went to American University about 25 years ago, and she was taking a world history course where the professor was teaching from her own textbook, and my friend's daughter was upset by the tone of some of what was said in the book about colonialism, and America's role in it and responsibility for it..  She showed it to me, and I concurred - it was highly exaggerated.  And I say that as a super-libby person and someone who spent part of my childhood in the 1960s living in and visiting former European colonies that had just gotten their independence.

Which textbook would that be, exactly?  And was it referring to colonialism or American interference in central/south american banana republics?

The chapters I recall reading were about African colonialism, but the author extrapolated that to American imperialism.

What incorrect statements did the author make about American imperialism? Surely you can remember them if they were so horribly wr ...

No, I don't recall the specifics.  But I do recall how distorted they sounded.


'Sounded', huh? So, basically, you didn't like our genocidal colonialism being lumped in with European colonialism just as though the peoples America massacred were human beings too.
 
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