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2021-01-18 5:16:59 PM  
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2021-01-18 9:48:05 PM  
Now do marijuana!
 
2021-01-18 9:48:25 PM  
I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.
 
2021-01-18 9:50:20 PM  

foo monkey: Now do marijuana!


I believe we did.
 
2021-01-18 9:50:20 PM  

foo monkey: Now do marijuana!


We're working on i!
 
2021-01-18 9:51:03 PM  

foo monkey: Now do marijuana!


Way ahead of you.
 
2021-01-18 9:51:12 PM  
Hey a couple hundred Virginians died just this week from coronavirus and the state vaccination program is a clusterfark but good to see legislators are out there doing the important work.
 
2021-01-18 9:52:01 PM  

PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on.


I will sit here and tell you I'm against capital punishment, and I can cite legal reasons, financial reasons, practical reasons, and just straight reasons of humanity.

But let me read why a death row inmate was given that sentence, and I'll say "well, yeah, that sonofabiatch needs to die..."
 
2021-01-18 9:52:05 PM  

foo monkey: Now do marijuana!


Have you ever legislated... on weed?
 
2021-01-18 9:53:57 PM  

foo monkey: Now do marijuana!


Well we were gonna, right. But, you know, we've been busy. Like, we got really...busy doing...um there were some...some things right?
Who are you?
 
2021-01-18 9:54:00 PM  

Gonz: PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on.

I will sit here and tell you I'm against capital punishment, and I can cite legal reasons, financial reasons, practical reasons, and just straight reasons of humanity.

But let me read why a death row inmate was given that sentence, and I'll say "well, yeah, that sonofabiatch needs to die..."


This is under the assumption the man is actually guilty of what he was found guilty of in court.  Can't release a dead man if he's found innocent.
 
2021-01-18 9:54:27 PM  

PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.


The state shouldn't get to murder people. Most other countries in the world have figured that out. Seriously, go look up who else still executes people and look at the embarrassing bedfellows we have.

Your personal feelings of vengeance and malice are immaterial. Clinging to this is like clinging to corporal punishment--you're wildly out of touch, and you need to let it go.
 
2021-01-18 9:54:31 PM  

Gonz: I will sit here and tell you I'm against capital punishment, and I can cite legal reasons, financial reasons, practical reasons, and just straight reasons of humanity.

But let me read why a death row inmate was given that sentence, and I'll say "well, yeah, that sonofabiatch needs to die..."


Yeah,i mean,i honestly don't see any way a sane,rational civilized person can look at a serial child rapist/murderer and NOT say "You know what? fark that guy. Fry him slow so he can smell his own guts cooking."
 
2021-01-18 9:54:55 PM  
This is a sound financial decision.  With all the appeals, the cost to acquire the drug, the staff training, and the other various legal hoopla around the death penalty.  It is cheaper just to lock em up for the rest of their lives.
 
2021-01-18 9:55:32 PM  

Summoner101: This is under the assumption the man is actually guilty of what he was found guilty of in court. Can't release a dead man if he's found innocent.


What about in a situation where the evidence is 100% solid? Where there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever?
 
2021-01-18 9:56:03 PM  

PlasticMoby: Gonz: I will sit here and tell you I'm against capital punishment, and I can cite legal reasons, financial reasons, practical reasons, and just straight reasons of humanity.

But let me read why a death row inmate was given that sentence, and I'll say "well, yeah, that sonofabiatch needs to die..."

Yeah,i mean,i honestly don't see any way a sane,rational civilized person can look at a serial child rapist/murderer and NOT say "You know what? fark that guy. Fry him slow so he can smell his own guts cooking."


And that sentiment has absolutely no relevance here. That's not how we determine laws and punishments. Nor is it how we should, under any circumstances.
 
2021-01-18 9:56:16 PM  

PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.


Like msot of the judicial system, it is incredibly misapplied. As you can imagine, it kills blacks and minorities in vastly disproportionate ways and is distressingly egregious in killing innocent people.
 
2021-01-18 9:56:43 PM  

PlasticMoby: Gonz: I will sit here and tell you I'm against capital punishment, and I can cite legal reasons, financial reasons, practical reasons, and just straight reasons of humanity.

But let me read why a death row inmate was given that sentence, and I'll say "well, yeah, that sonofabiatch needs to die..."

Yeah,i mean,i honestly don't see any way a sane,rational civilized person can look at a serial child rapist/murderer and NOT say "You know what? fark that guy. Fry him slow so he can smell his own guts cooking."


Make sure you nab the right person 100% of the time and I'd agree with you. The problem is the state has farked up a non-zero amount of times and got the wrong person, then killed them. You can't un-kill them after it's discovered somebody farked up somewhere and put the wrong person in prison.
 
2021-01-18 9:57:20 PM  
But what about blood for the blood god? He really wants that blood.
 
2021-01-18 9:57:31 PM  

PlasticMoby: Summoner101: This is under the assumption the man is actually guilty of what he was found guilty of in court. Can't release a dead man if he's found innocent.

What about in a situation where the evidence is 100% solid? Where there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever?


And how does the court know they haven't made mistakes?
 
2021-01-18 9:58:41 PM  

PlasticMoby: Summoner101: This is under the assumption the man is actually guilty of what he was found guilty of in court. Can't release a dead man if he's found innocent.

What about in a situation where the evidence is 100% solid? Where there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever?


What if Scarlett Johansen was giving me a lap dance right now should I marry her?
 
2021-01-18 9:59:33 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.

Like msot of the judicial system, it is incredibly misapplied. As you can imagine, it kills blacks and minorities in vastly disproportionate ways and is distressingly egregious in killing innocent people.


I think Sister Helen Prejean said "Capital punishment is punishment for people without capital."

Yes, most of the people on death row are horrible. But it's not equally applied, convictions aren't foolproof, and it's frankly unnecessary. Lock them up and throw away the key. It's cheaper, and if you get it wrong, it's fixable.
 
2021-01-18 9:59:45 PM  

Gonz: PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on.

I will sit here and tell you I'm against capital punishment, and I can cite legal reasons, financial reasons, practical reasons, and just straight reasons of humanity.

But let me read why a death row inmate was given that sentence, and I'll say "well, yeah, that sonofabiatch needs to die..."


The does not exist to punish the guilty.

The law exists to protect the innocent.

The death penalty does not protect the innocent.
 
2021-01-18 9:59:49 PM  
We can shrink the size of government by eliminating the death penalty. It demands special facilities, too many lawyers and taxpayer dollars. Also, Pro-Lifers might agree.
 
2021-01-18 10:00:06 PM  
 
2021-01-18 10:01:48 PM  

austerity101: The state shouldn't get to murder people. Most other countries in the world have figured that out. Seriously, go look up who else still executes people and look at the embarrassing bedfellows we have.

Your personal feelings of vengeance and malice are immaterial. Clinging to this is like clinging to corporal punishment--you're wildly out of touch, and you need to let it go.


Jesus,someone clearly loves the smell of their own farts.

Other countries BEHEADING people for talking to a man that isn't their husband is ENTIRELY different from,humanly,executing some piece of shiat that went on a killing spree for fun or greed or just because they were bored.

What you,naively,refer to as "vengeance and malice" is what other people,knowingly,refer to as "Justice". Whether you like it or not.

I love how you try to shame me and make me feel emotionally/intellectually inferior. Nice ploy. Totally failed but nice try anyway.

I think it's YOU that needs stop clinging to completely BS ideas about how the real world works. Maybe if you had ANY understanding of what the victims and their families and even the families of the perpetrator go through maybe,just maybe,you'd rethink things. (I doubt that though.People with your attitude tend not to think about other perspectives.)
 
2021-01-18 10:02:02 PM  
I originally was not philosophically opposed to the death penalty but after thoroughly studying the work of the Innocence Project I am absolutely opposed. Far, far too many innocent people have been convicted and even executed in the US.
 
2021-01-18 10:02:27 PM  
It's cyclical. Eve tually the pendulum will swing back and the States will be executing people left and right.
 
2021-01-18 10:02:35 PM  

PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.


I don't disapprove of human monsters dying. I disapprove of the state, run by very fallible humans, having the ability to choose who dies.

The situations where the evidence is 100% solid are rare, to the point where either we waste resources on keeping death rows and execution chambers prepped by waiting for those situations, or we risk executing innocent people. I'd rather see a hundred monsters rot in jail for the rest of their natural lives than allow the government to execute one innocent.
 
2021-01-18 10:03:54 PM  

taintbaggins: The does not exist to punish the guilty.

The law exists to protect the innocent.


That's the funniest thing i've read all night. Thanks for that!
 
2021-01-18 10:04:38 PM  

PlasticMoby: austerity101: The state shouldn't get to murder people. Most other countries in the world have figured that out. Seriously, go look up who else still executes people and look at the embarrassing bedfellows we have.

Your personal feelings of vengeance and malice are immaterial. Clinging to this is like clinging to corporal punishment--you're wildly out of touch, and you need to let it go.

Jesus,someone clearly loves the smell of their own farts.

Other countries BEHEADING people for talking to a man that isn't their husband is ENTIRELY different from,humanly,executing some piece of shiat that went on a killing spree for fun or greed or just because they were bored.

What you,naively,refer to as "vengeance and malice" is what other people,knowingly,refer to as "Justice". Whether you like it or not.

I love how you try to shame me and make me feel emotionally/intellectually inferior. Nice ploy. Totally failed but nice try anyway.

I think it's YOU that needs stop clinging to completely BS ideas about how the real world works. Maybe if you had ANY understanding of what the victims and their families and even the families of the perpetrator go through maybe,just maybe,you'd rethink things. (I doubt that though.People with your attitude tend not to think about other perspectives.)


Vengeance is not justice. Once someone is no longer a threat (ie they're incarcerated in a maximum security prison), justice is served; execution accomplishes nothing. It's not even cheaper.
 
2021-01-18 10:04:52 PM  

PlasticMoby: Summoner101: This is under the assumption the man is actually guilty of what he was found guilty of in court. Can't release a dead man if he's found innocent.

What about in a situation where the evidence is 100% solid? Where there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever?


You mean a magical Christmas land that doesn't exist.  Even then I believe truly that a justice system that exists to protect society from those that are most likely dangerous to it is preferred to one that is designed to dole out punishments.
Maybe let's try to help victims in ways that mitigate the damage done to them like health, financial, and mental care instead of providing them with hollow revenge.
 
2021-01-18 10:05:52 PM  

Spectrum: But what about blood for the blood god? He really wants that blood.


Also his throne is short some skulls.
 
2021-01-18 10:06:57 PM  

PlasticMoby: austerity101: The state shouldn't get to murder people. Most other countries in the world have figured that out. Seriously, go look up who else still executes people and look at the embarrassing bedfellows we have.

Your personal feelings of vengeance and malice are immaterial. Clinging to this is like clinging to corporal punishment--you're wildly out of touch, and you need to let it go.

Jesus,someone clearly loves the smell of their own farts.

Other countries BEHEADING people for talking to a man that isn't their husband is ENTIRELY different from,humanly,executing some piece of shiat that went on a killing spree for fun or greed or just because they were bored.

What you,naively,refer to as "vengeance and malice" is what other people,knowingly,refer to as "Justice". Whether you like it or not.

I love how you try to shame me and make me feel emotionally/intellectually inferior. Nice ploy. Totally failed but nice try anyway.

I think it's YOU that needs stop clinging to completely BS ideas about how the real world works. Maybe if you had ANY understanding of what the victims and their families and even the families of the perpetrator go through maybe,just maybe,you'd rethink things. (I doubt that though.People with your attitude tend not to think about other perspectives.)


You need to learn how to stop being this childishly defensive over indefensible ideas on which you've staked indefensibly invalid positions. Calm the f*ck down.
 
2021-01-18 10:08:12 PM  

XanthPrime: This is a sound financial decision.  With all the appeals, the cost to acquire the drug, the staff training, and the other various legal hoopla around the death penalty.  It is cheaper just to lock em up for the rest of their lives.


Not to mention the lifetime PTSD that torments 90% of the people associated with executions (and accidental death).

That, and the widening circle of family violence that PTSD accruing from death often leads to.

The number of victims/suicides amongst *agents of death far exceeds the original murder/tape/assault victims...
 
2021-01-18 10:14:02 PM  
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2021-01-18 10:17:40 PM  

LarrySouth: XanthPrime: This is a sound financial decision.  With all the appeals, the cost to acquire the drug, the staff training, and the other various legal hoopla around the death penalty.  It is cheaper just to lock em up for the rest of their lives.

Not to mention the lifetime PTSD that torments 90% of the people associated with executions (and accidental death).

That, and the widening circle of family violence that PTSD accruing from death often leads to.

The number of victims/suicides amongst *agents of death far exceeds the original murder/tape/assault victims...


In a democracy the state is the avatar of the people.  If the state puts an innocent to death the state has committed murder, and as we granted it the power to do such, so are we all. If you and your buddies plan to rob a bank, and one of them kills the teller, it doesn't mater if you're waiting in the car you're all getting charged with murder.
 
2021-01-18 10:20:03 PM  

PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.


Yeah, gotta agree with you on that point, especially in light of what happened at the capitol two weeks ago. I'm not saying that the death penalty should be used willy nilly, but there's always a set of crimes that even the biggest liberal will demand the needle for and wouldn't be able to administer it because of the fact that it was abolished.
 
2021-01-18 10:22:08 PM  

PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.


I think every last one of those piles of shiat that invaded the Capitol should be hung on its steps.

But I'm against the death penalty because we suck at criminal justice, and it's not worth the risk of executing an innocent person.
 
2021-01-18 10:23:34 PM  

JAGChem82: PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.

Yeah, gotta agree with you on that point, especially in light of what happened at the capitol two weeks ago. I'm not saying that the death penalty should be used willy nilly, but there's always a set of crimes that even the biggest liberal will demand the needle for and wouldn't be able to administer it because of the fact that it was abolished.


Ok, I definitely want the insurrectionists punished but I haven't heard anyone respectable calling for executions. That's ridiculous.
 
2021-01-18 10:24:50 PM  

PlasticMoby: What about in a situation where the evidence is 100% solid? Where there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever?


Dozens of people have been sentenced to death on evidence that was described as such, and we're later exonerated.
 
2021-01-18 10:28:24 PM  

hugadarn: JAGChem82: PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.

Yeah, gotta agree with you on that point, especially in light of what happened at the capitol two weeks ago. I'm not saying that the death penalty should be used willy nilly, but there's always a set of crimes that even the biggest liberal will demand the needle for and wouldn't be able to administer it because of the fact that it was abolished.

Ok, I definitely want the insurrectionists punished but I haven't heard anyone respectable calling for executions. That's ridiculous.


I have wondered out loud if execution would finally be a severe enough punishment to dissuade people from treason/sedition, in an abstract sense, but I've never actually argued that we should use the death penalty on them, because I oppose the death penalty. The most I've seen is liberals/progressives expressing rage and blowing off steam rather than people legitimately arguing for the validity of the death penalty, because we understand that the judicial system is not, and shouldn't ever be, based on appeasing public outrage.
 
2021-01-18 10:35:25 PM  
Also, there is no such thing as a humane method of execution.
 
2021-01-18 10:35:46 PM  

PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.


I'd be with you if our justice system were infallible. When you go executing people for crimes its only a matter of time before you execute the wrong guy.
 
2021-01-18 10:43:08 PM  

austerity101: hugadarn: JAGChem82: PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.

Yeah, gotta agree with you on that point, especially in light of what happened at the capitol two weeks ago. I'm not saying that the death penalty should be used willy nilly, but there's always a set of crimes that even the biggest liberal will demand the needle for and wouldn't be able to administer it because of the fact that it was abolished.

Ok, I definitely want the insurrectionists punished but I haven't heard anyone respectable calling for executions. That's ridiculous.

I have wondered out loud if execution would finally be a severe enough punishment to dissuade people from treason/sedition, in an abstract sense, but I've never actually argued that we should use the death penalty on them, because I oppose the death penalty. The most I've seen is liberals/progressives expressing rage and blowing off steam rather than people legitimately arguing for the validity of the death penalty, because we understand that the judicial system is not, and shouldn't ever be, based on appeasing public outrage.


The severity of punishments are never a deterrent for crime. If you believe you will be caught or won't get away with it 5 years should deter any crime. If you believe you won't be punished then execution won't dissuade you at all.
You want to discourage crime, ensure that people are caught and ensure that the public knows that they are caught and prosecuted.
 
2021-01-18 10:45:03 PM  
Death penalty isn't about deterrence or  removing someone from society.  It's about revenge.
 
2021-01-18 10:47:05 PM  
Oh good. I was just thinking that the this world needs more child murders and rapists breathing up all our air.
 
2021-01-18 10:57:17 PM  

hugadarn: austerity101: hugadarn: JAGChem82: PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.

Yeah, gotta agree with you on that point, especially in light of what happened at the capitol two weeks ago. I'm not saying that the death penalty should be used willy nilly, but there's always a set of crimes that even the biggest liberal will demand the needle for and wouldn't be able to administer it because of the fact that it was abolished.

Ok, I definitely want the insurrectionists punished but I haven't heard anyone respectable calling for executions. That's ridiculous.

I have wondered out loud if execution would finally be a severe enough punishment to dissuade people from treason/sedition, in an abstract sense, but I've never actually argued that we should use the death penalty on them, because I oppose the death penalty. The most I've seen is liberals/progressives expressing rage and blowing off steam rather than people legitimately arguing for the validity of the death penalty, because we understand that the judicial system is not, and shouldn't ever be, based on appeasing public outrage.

The severity of punishments are never a deterrent for crime. If you believe you will be caught or won't get away with it 5 years should deter any crime. If you believe you won't be punished then execution won't dissuade you at all.
You want to discourage crime, ensure that people are caught and ensure that the public knows that they are caught and prosecuted.


I do think that severity of punishment plays a minor role (and that we should aim for the least severe option that still deters crime), but you're right that it is not really what effects deterrence--it's consistency of application. Given our system is wildly inconsistent, we try to compensate for that with severity, and it doesn't work.

Also, severity of punishment is a favorite tactic of fascist regimes, because it enables the state to be as draconian as it wants to when it wants to, while still allowing it to choose leniency when it wishes. The death penalty makes no sense with respect to jaywalking, but if it's on the books, the state is legally justified in using it, particularly to punish the state's political enemies. And that's how you can murder tons of Black people. Which is exactly what the US does.
 
2021-01-18 11:08:53 PM  

PlasticMoby: I think this is just about the only thing i disagree with my fellow liberals on. After all the horror i've seen terrible people do to good people,i just can't get weepy over some piece of human garbage getting the needle.


The number of times that "terrible human garbage" turned out to be an innocent person who had upset the local police for being uppity should give you pause on that hot take.
 
2021-01-18 11:10:53 PM  
PlasticMoby:

Yeah,i mean,i honestly don't see any way a sane,rational civilized person can look at a serial child rapist/murderer and NOT say "You know what? fark that guy. Fry him slow so he can smell his own guts cooking."

...by being sane, rational and civilized.
 
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