Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Washington Post)   Good news, Zuckerberg and Dorsey, Trump lost re-election, so Section 230 is safe from being rewritten or removed and you can go back to normal. Yeah, about that. Maybe you guys should have kicked the Nazis off your social media sites sooner   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
    More: Ironic, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, United States Senate, United States presidential election, 2008, Democratic Party, President Trump, think tank, Internet companies  
•       •       •

1764 clicks; posted to Politics » on 18 Jan 2021 at 10:15 PM (5 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



44 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2021-01-18 6:01:56 PM  
Bi-partisan support perhaps? Or is that dead the minute Biden favors it?
 
2021-01-18 6:16:22 PM  

edmo: Bi-partisan support perhaps? Or is that dead the minute Biden favors it?


Depends on how it is couched. If Biden says "we rewrite this law to stop the Nazis", that's a bad idea.

Instead frame it as "we're regulating the big tech companies so they can't take sides anymore."

And then when it passes:

i.kym-cdn.comView Full Size
 
2021-01-18 6:55:16 PM  
Let Harris use that prosecutor background bigly
 
2021-01-18 9:22:06 PM  
Lol please. He isn't changin' shiat. His corporate overlords won't let this one go.

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-01-18 10:11:10 PM  
They were deemed monopolies by the House back in October, we should react accordingly.  I'll be right over here, holding my breath.
 
2021-01-18 10:18:50 PM  
I look forward to getting banned from this site
 
2021-01-18 10:19:13 PM  
Tech companies were shiat prior to Trump. Guess what, they are still shiat.
 
2021-01-18 10:23:13 PM  
all of that "disinformation fell by 77% once Twitter applied common sense" is going tombe detrimental to their arguments against it.
 
2021-01-18 10:23:19 PM  
You could sense them doing the 'course correction' almost in real time after Georgia went blue.  They milked t**** for all he was worth then blocked him.
 
2021-01-18 10:24:25 PM  
If you're maintaining a public nuisance in physical property you get fined ...
 
2021-01-18 10:24:54 PM  
Perhaps the tech companies knew once Trump came along and they let the trolls take over that one day they will need modmins.

The internet is a bad place, here take this modmin.

They will be regulated, if they have a few analysts they already knew that.
 
2021-01-18 10:32:45 PM  
Twitter kicking him to the curb was a real smack to his followers.  The narrative has always been that there is a plan, that Trump is playing the libs for suckers.  Being unable to even get his Twitter account back shows him up as a little biatch.
 
2021-01-18 10:33:18 PM  

edmo: Bi-partisan support perhaps? Or is that dead the minute Biden favors it?


Dead the moment any Democrat favors it.

The only reason the GOP was chanting about S230 was to intimidate the social media industry into not doing anything against Republican propaganda. Every GOP mention of S230 served the function of reminding the social media industry that the GOP could destroy their wealth if they refused to allow the GOP to spread seditious libel on their platforms.

Now the GOP lacks the power to threaten the social media industry, the party will flip to defending S230 in order to block any efforts by the Democratic party to deter social media from spreading Republican seditious libel.
 
2021-01-18 10:33:44 PM  

Lonestar: Perhaps the tech companies knew once Trump came along and they let the trolls take over that one day they will need modmins.

The internet is a bad place, here take this modmin.

They will be regulated, if they have a few analysts they already knew that.


I think the calculation on 230 would be its better to modify it  and get some regulation than to have the chaos of full repeal.
 
2021-01-18 10:34:46 PM  

Naido: They were deemed monopolies by the House back in October, we should react accordingly.  I'll be right over here, holding my breath.


Anyone know how to wake up a dead Theodore Roosevelt?
 
2021-01-18 10:39:15 PM  
Reintroduce the Fairness Doctrine

Introduce common-sense caps on free speech that criminalize the broadcasting or transmission of patently false information as fact.

Amend Section 230 to compel hosts to deplatform nazis, hate speech, and seditious conspiracies like Q Anon.

Rev up the Sherman Anti Trust Act and break up the media companies; Alphjabet, Facebook, Newscorp, Sinclair, etc.
 
2021-01-18 10:40:46 PM  

WalkingSedgwick: edmo: Bi-partisan support perhaps? Or is that dead the minute Biden favors it?

Dead the moment any Democrat favors it.

The only reason the GOP was chanting about S230 was to intimidate the social media industry into not doing anything against Republican propaganda. Every GOP mention of S230 served the function of reminding the social media industry that the GOP could destroy their wealth if they refused to allow the GOP to spread seditious libel on their platforms.

Now the GOP lacks the power to threaten the social media industry, the party will flip to defending S230 in order to block any efforts by the Democratic party to deter social media from spreading Republican seditious libel.


But that would be hypocritical
 
2021-01-18 10:41:45 PM  

hugadarn: Lonestar: Perhaps the tech companies knew once Trump came along and they let the trolls take over that one day they will need modmins.

The internet is a bad place, here take this modmin.

They will be regulated, if they have a few analysts they already knew that.

I think the calculation on 230 would be its better to modify it  and get some regulation than to have the chaos of full repeal.


A full repeal would mean sites can be held responsible for the content they host, meaning they can ban you even easier because it's their ass on the line, not yours.

It's exactly the opposite of what dumbass trump thinks it is.
 
2021-01-18 10:41:59 PM  

WalkingSedgwick: edmo: Bi-partisan support perhaps? Or is that dead the minute Biden favors it?

Dead the moment any Democrat favors it.

The only reason the GOP was chanting about S230 was to intimidate the social media industry into not doing anything against Republican propaganda. Every GOP mention of S230 served the function of reminding the social media industry that the GOP could destroy their wealth if they refused to allow the GOP to spread seditious libel on their platforms.

Now the GOP lacks the power to threaten the social media industry, the party will flip to defending S230 in order to block any efforts by the Democratic party to deter social media from spreading Republican seditious libel.


Just spitballin' here - Trump threatened to get rid of S230, and they kicked them off their platforms.  Abolish S230, and Trump gets his Twitter account back.

/these are not smart people.
 
2021-01-18 10:43:50 PM  

Secret Troll Alt: Reintroduce the Fairness Doctrine


What exactly is 'fair' about someone trying to explain why college tuition needs to be means-tested being rebutted by diarrhea noises?

How the hell are you going to enforce this on every platform, anyway?
 
2021-01-18 10:49:50 PM  
I've heard some reporting, maybe not well sourced, that they can't remove Nazis without removing Republicans; filtering methods on Twitter can't tell the difference.  And apparently we are not making a big deal about it...so we've got that going for us.
 
2021-01-18 10:51:02 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Lol please. He isn't changin' shiat. His corporate overlords won't let this one go.

[Fark user image 815x212]


Who could dare hope for better things?

/I need names!!!!
 
2021-01-18 10:56:01 PM  
If removing Section 230 means that garbage sites like 8Kun are nuked, I'm all for it.
 
2021-01-18 10:56:17 PM  

Naido: They were deemed monopolies by the House back in October, we should react accordingly.  I'll be right over here, holding my breath.


They used the wrong terminology. Google isn't a monopoly. You can use whatever search engine you want. Google is probably open to charges of price fixing, market manipulation, etc.

SEC market manipulation charges are fairly easy. Favoring one company over another in search results. Same with price fixing. Organizing Google shopping retailers to offer item at the same, lower price.

Monopoly? No. For one, Bing is a better porn search engine so Google has legitimate competition.
 
2021-01-18 11:01:02 PM  
Anyone who wants the communication companies to monitor free speech should think about what happens when the nazis get in power again and they ban YOUR speech.

Free speech is a double-edged sword - you have to suffer the nazis to keep your precious freedoms. We should protect the forums and the places where we can speak - even if they are private companies.

The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.
 
2021-01-18 11:02:25 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: If removing Section 230 means that garbage sites like 8Kun are nuked, I'm all for it.


This site also gets nuked. There is no way Fark can keep up with deleting all of the inflammatory posts. Example: I have it on good authority that AAAAGGGGHHHH is*

*Chose your poison. A child porn fanatic. A car lover that has sex with exhaust pipes. They are equally absurd, but Fark would have to look at every post and delete them out of fear of prosecution.
 
2021-01-18 11:33:15 PM  

moothemagiccow: Secret Troll Alt: Reintroduce the Fairness Doctrine

What exactly is 'fair' about someone trying to explain why college tuition needs to be means-tested being rebutted by diarrhea noises?

How the hell are you going to enforce this on every platform, anyway?


Okay. You have a better idea? No? Just shiatting on things to be shiatting on them? I thought so.
 
2021-01-18 11:39:58 PM  
The problem is too many stupid and easily led people. Not the tools that get used to manipulate them.
 
2021-01-19 12:18:26 AM  

ZenMechanic: The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.


About 80 million Americans said to Trump 'will you shut up, man.' Trump and his surrogates were still able to mobilize a mob hell-bent on lynching multiple elected officials. If 80 million voices to a dozen isn't enough 'more speech' to stop bad things from happening, then what is?

'More speech' does not work. Some speech is too dangerous to see the light of day.
 
2021-01-19 12:48:54 AM  

Secret Troll Alt: Reintroduce the Fairness Doctrine

Introduce common-sense caps on free speech that criminalize the broadcasting or transmission of patently false information as fact.

Amend Section 230 to compel hosts to deplatform nazis, hate speech, and seditious conspiracies like Q Anon.

Rev up the Sherman Anti Trust Act and break up the media companies; Alphjabet, Facebook, Newscorp, Sinclair, etc.


Yes, we shouldn't remove 230.  230 keeps sites like Fark online and functional.  Fark shouldn't be responsible if some link gets greenlit and it's found out it's a link to something criminal or a copyright violation.  Instead, find a way to "encourage" sites to self-police the most egregious content that isn't "do whatever the advertisers want" (ie foobies and every reactionary moderation move Reddit has ever made).  Make moderation costs tax deductible or something
 
2021-01-19 12:59:49 AM  

WalkingSedgwick: ZenMechanic: The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.

About 80 million Americans said to Trump 'will you shut up, man.' Trump and his surrogates were still able to mobilize a mob hell-bent on lynching multiple elected officials. If 80 million voices to a dozen isn't enough 'more speech' to stop bad things from happening, then what is?

'More speech' does not work. Some speech is too dangerous to see the light of day.


Right, all that stuff that is non-Christian is too dangerous.  Better suppress it.
 
2021-01-19 1:04:31 AM  
It would be a shame if the moderators I hired for my website claimed that white guys telling Latinos to "go back to Mexico" wasn't actually racist.
 
2021-01-19 1:25:57 AM  
Repealing Section 230 will basically force internet companies to turn the internet into "consume only" cable providers, where instead of policing or ignoring what goes on they go, "I guess HBO and NBC are okay. Okay, those are who can use the internet." And if those companies decide to push something that they think might leave them in some sort of legal liability, they'll cut them off too.

Repealing 230 is idiocy.
 
2021-01-19 2:13:41 AM  
Fark headlines get worse every day.
 
2021-01-19 9:43:39 AM  
Can't we all agree that anybody who posts a "like and share if" meme anywhere should be nuked from orbit?

Also, the your/you're cretins. First against the wall after la revolución, my friends.
 
2021-01-19 9:51:32 AM  

ZenMechanic: Anyone who wants the communication companies to monitor free speech should think about what happens when the nazis get in power again and they ban YOUR speech.

Free speech is a double-edged sword - you have to suffer the nazis to keep your precious freedoms. We should protect the forums and the places where we can speak - even if they are private companies.

The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.


Give me one reason to think that nazis will keep to good faith on the subject, that Democrats holding back will result in them holding back. Preemptive counterargument: Merrick Garland.
 
2021-01-19 10:14:44 AM  

Secret Troll Alt: Reintroduce the Fairness Doctrine

Introduce common-sense caps on free speech that criminalize the broadcasting or transmission of patently false information as fact.

Amend Section 230 to compel hosts to deplatform nazis, hate speech, and seditious conspiracies like Q Anon.

Rev up the Sherman Anti Trust Act and break up the media companies; Alphjabet, Facebook, Newscorp, Sinclair, etc.


Amen
 
2021-01-19 10:15:54 AM  

ZenMechanic: Anyone who wants the communication companies to monitor free speech should think about what happens when the nazis get in power again and they ban YOUR speech.

Free speech is a double-edged sword - you have to suffer the nazis to keep your precious freedoms. We should protect the forums and the places where we can speak - even if they are private companies.

The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.


You're so precious
 
2021-01-19 10:17:17 AM  

ZenMechanic: WalkingSedgwick: ZenMechanic: The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.

About 80 million Americans said to Trump 'will you shut up, man.' Trump and his surrogates were still able to mobilize a mob hell-bent on lynching multiple elected officials. If 80 million voices to a dozen isn't enough 'more speech' to stop bad things from happening, then what is?

'More speech' does not work. Some speech is too dangerous to see the light of day.

Right, all that stuff that is non-Christian is too dangerous.  Better suppress it.


Are you just ignorant it is this some kind of a shtick?

Like almost every other democracy has laws limiting hate speech and lies being broadcast.
 
2021-01-19 2:34:25 PM  

Greil: ZenMechanic: Anyone who wants the communication companies to monitor free speech should think about what happens when the nazis get in power again and they ban YOUR speech.

Free speech is a double-edged sword - you have to suffer the nazis to keep your precious freedoms. We should protect the forums and the places where we can speak - even if they are private companies.

The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.

Give me one reason to think that nazis will keep to good faith on the subject, that Democrats holding back will result in them holding back. Preemptive counterargument: Merrick Garland.


I don't believe the nazis will keep to good faith.  You should have freedom of speech anyway.
 
2021-01-19 2:35:44 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: ZenMechanic: Anyone who wants the communication companies to monitor free speech should think about what happens when the nazis get in power again and they ban YOUR speech.

Free speech is a double-edged sword - you have to suffer the nazis to keep your precious freedoms. We should protect the forums and the places where we can speak - even if they are private companies.

The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.

You're so precious


Ah I remember you from other threads.  Ill-informed and close minded.  Perfect for the new oligarchy, you'll fit right in.
 
2021-01-19 2:42:14 PM  

WalkingSedgwick: ZenMechanic: The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.

About 80 million Americans said to Trump 'will you shut up, man.' Trump and his surrogates were still able to mobilize a mob hell-bent on lynching multiple elected officials. If 80 million voices to a dozen isn't enough 'more speech' to stop bad things from happening, then what is?

'More speech' does not work. Some speech is too dangerous to see the light of day.


I don't agree.  All censoring the nazis does it make it worse.  While you can't shout "fire" or incite violence, much of what people want to shut down is discourse they disagree with and not a shouting of "fire".

Much like what is happening right now, the nazis will then get to claim they are martyrs and will get sympathy and money and airtime.  That is not something anyone with any sense wants.

What the "shut them down" camp seems to be missing is that in 2-4 years the Republicans could be back in power and then they will say the exact same thing you are saying but will brand you as Anifa terrorists or worse and then they will shut you down for the same reasons you are suggesting here.

I'm not naive to the consequences of letting the nazis talk, which causes harm, but in my view causes less harm in the long run to society.

You are welcome to disagree and I welcome debate.  We should all welcome debate.
 
2021-01-19 4:50:59 PM  

ZenMechanic: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: ZenMechanic: Anyone who wants the communication companies to monitor free speech should think about what happens when the nazis get in power again and they ban YOUR speech.

Free speech is a double-edged sword - you have to suffer the nazis to keep your precious freedoms. We should protect the forums and the places where we can speak - even if they are private companies.

The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.

You're so precious

Ah I remember you from other threads.  Ill-informed and close minded.  Perfect for the new oligarchy, you'll fit right in.


Eat shiat
 
2021-01-19 4:51:23 PM  

ZenMechanic: WalkingSedgwick: ZenMechanic: The only real answer to bad speech is more speech.

About 80 million Americans said to Trump 'will you shut up, man.' Trump and his surrogates were still able to mobilize a mob hell-bent on lynching multiple elected officials. If 80 million voices to a dozen isn't enough 'more speech' to stop bad things from happening, then what is?

'More speech' does not work. Some speech is too dangerous to see the light of day.

I don't agree.  All censoring the nazis does it make it worse.  While you can't shout "fire" or incite violence, much of what people want to shut down is discourse they disagree with and not a shouting of "fire".

Much like what is happening right now, the nazis will then get to claim they are martyrs and will get sympathy and money and airtime.  That is not something anyone with any sense wants.

What the "shut them down" camp seems to be missing is that in 2-4 years the Republicans could be back in power and then they will say the exact same thing you are saying but will brand you as Anifa terrorists or worse and then they will shut you down for the same reasons you are suggesting here.

I'm not naive to the consequences of letting the nazis talk, which causes harm, but in my view causes less harm in the long run to society.

You are welcome to disagree and I welcome debate.  We should all welcome debate.


You sound white
 
Displayed 44 of 44 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking





On Twitter



  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.