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(Metro Magazine)   One more reason living in NYC is the literal worst: urban planners   (metro-magazine.com) divider line
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2021-01-18 3:15:43 PM  
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2021-01-18 3:16:36 PM  
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2021-01-18 3:58:57 PM  

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I live just south of downtown London (Ontario), and yeah, I may have to steal that image.
 
2021-01-18 4:04:41 PM  
One major issue is that as suburbs have grown and sprawled out, they have relied too much on the central city for employment, leisure, entertainment, etc. This isn't to say that central cities should be neglected, as that was tried shortly after WWII with dire results, but there should also be a focus on improving access to these destinations locally. I live in a medium sized city that has a population comparable to the suburb I used to live in, yet I have far more access to urban amenities here than in my sprawling suburban hometown.
 
2021-01-18 4:27:38 PM  

kdawg7736: [i.imgflip.com image 500x610]


This image is simply too balanced; people could go either way depending on preference.

You're supposed to have something heavily weighted, like a picture of slums versus a nice country field, or a nice image of a city versus a pig farm.
 
2021-01-18 4:33:36 PM  

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Gotham
 
2021-01-18 4:34:48 PM  

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i wouldn't mind either in a real Democratic Republic.  but then again, we don't have anything near one of those, so i pick the bottom one.
 
2021-01-18 4:36:50 PM  

trialpha: kdawg7736: [i.imgflip.com image 500x610]

This image is simply too balanced; people could go either way depending on preference.

You're supposed to have something heavily weighted, like a picture of slums versus a nice country field, or a nice image of a city versus a pig farm.


no, its an easy decision in this country.   Gotham isn't what they tell you it is on TV.

if you crowd enough mice into a small enough area they will turn into rats.
 
2021-01-18 4:55:10 PM  
Nobody lives in New York anymore. It's too crowded.
 
2021-01-18 6:21:17 PM  
I live in Queens and most of the job opportunities aren't in Manhattan, they're in Jersey, Long Island and Westchester. At first I wasn't applying to them but I'm starting to think I can always buy a cheap ass p.o.s. car to get to and from work because an hour and a half drive is still better than a 3 hour bus/train/cab journey.
 
2021-01-18 6:28:06 PM  
I commute is 35 minutes each way and I plan on reducing that this summer when I move closer to mid town where my office is. But you know what? It's amazingly less stressful to sit on a subway on your way to work instead of driving, or worrying about being sober enough to get home.

The problem is that where people can afford to live and where they work have very little relation on each other. Half my office commutes, or at least use to commute, from the suburbs and they easily have 90 minute to 2 hour trips each way. At least they can take the train or bus. The people who I truly don't understand are the ones who drive into Manhattan every morning. It's one thing to nap on a train, but it's an absolutely different kind of mental exhaustion to spend two hours in bumper to bumper, touch and go traffic on your way to the Lincoln tunnel.
 
2021-01-18 6:29:34 PM  

Gaddiel: I commute is 35 minutes each way and I plan on reducing that this summer when I move closer to mid town where my office is. But you know what? It's amazingly less stressful to sit on a subway on your way to work instead of driving, or worrying about being sober enough to get home.

The problem is that where people can afford to live and where they work have very little relation on each other. Half my office commutes, or at least use to commute, from the suburbs and they easily have 90 minute to 2 hour trips each way. At least they can take the train or bus. The people who I truly don't understand are the ones who drive into Manhattan every morning. It's one thing to nap on a train, but it's an absolutely different kind of mental exhaustion to spend two hours in bumper to bumper, touch and go traffic on your way to the Lincoln tunnel.


God damn it. First farking word is wrong. My commute is. Yada yada. Yes, preview is your friend by I tend to neglect my friends.
 
2021-01-18 7:12:13 PM  
Well, it's an island so... What the Fark do you expect with a limited number of ways in and out?
 
2021-01-18 7:23:08 PM  
may have been true, 2 YEARS ago, when this article was written, but I imagine the data is out if date
 
2021-01-18 8:33:06 PM  

Gaddiel: I commute is 35 minutes each way and I plan on reducing that this summer when I move closer to mid town where my office is. But you know what? It's amazingly less stressful to sit on a subway on your way to work instead of driving, or worrying about being sober enough to get home.

The problem is that where people can afford to live and where they work have very little relation on each other. Half my office commutes, or at least use to commute, from the suburbs and they easily have 90 minute to 2 hour trips each way. At least they can take the train or bus. The people who I truly don't understand are the ones who drive into Manhattan every morning. It's one thing to nap on a train, but it's an absolutely different kind of mental exhaustion to spend two hours in bumper to bumper, touch and go traffic on your way to the Lincoln tunnel.


At rush hour, either you sit comfortably in traffic alone with your thoughts and whatever music or snacks you want to much on or you stand crammed in-between the person who just got off a double shift and the guy who believes soap is a conspiracy by big business and hasn't taken a shower in six months.
 
2021-01-18 8:40:34 PM  

Truthman: may have been true, 2 YEARS ago, when this article was written, but I imagine the data is out if date


Pre-pandemic data is the only available data. Whatever the data from the pandemic would be, it would be skewed for the closures and job losses. The article shows the inadequacy of the traffic grid when it comes to its intended porpoise.
 
2021-01-18 9:31:41 PM  
The one upside to the shutdown and closures was that as an "essential" employee, I made anywhere in the city in 30 minutes from Nassau county by car. Combine that with a lovely little placard starting I'm essential, and it was virtually free street parking for 4 months. It was nice. I'm not planning on taking the train any time soon.

I do miss getting the giant cup of beer for the train after work though.
 
2021-01-19 12:01:39 AM  

Gaddiel: I commute is 35 minutes each way and I plan on reducing that this summer when I move closer to mid town where my office is. But you know what? It's amazingly less stressful to sit on a subway on your way to work instead of driving, or worrying about being sober enough to get home.

The problem is that where people can afford to live and where they work have very little relation on each other. Half my office commutes, or at least use to commute, from the suburbs and they easily have 90 minute to 2 hour trips each way. At least they can take the train or bus. The people who I truly don't understand are the ones who drive into Manhattan every morning. It's one thing to nap on a train, but it's an absolutely different kind of mental exhaustion to spend two hours in bumper to bumper, touch and go traffic on your way to the Lincoln tunnel.


When I lived in Brooklyn I worked and went to school out in eastern Queens (where I lived with my mom before moving in with now-wife) so I bought a car and when I had a weekday off, which is common in food service because you usually work one or both weekends, I would drive into midtown Manhattan to pick said gf up from work and half the time we made it home way quicker than the subway would take -- not to mention the East River bridges are free and at the time no congestion pricing.

If you can afford the parking and tolls... why not?
 
2021-01-19 12:20:10 AM  
After reading the article though, it seems like a really stupid notion to compare New York and San Diego. Two of the boroughs are separate islands (Manhattan and Staten), Brooklyn and Queens, the two most populous boroughs, are on Long Island, which has 7 million people overall, 3 million of which live in suburbs that are only connected by road and rail by passing through 2 or 3 boroughs to get to mainland America. The Bronx is on a peninsula, not island, because the Hudson River is farking wide as shiat so there's only one bridge across it... which passes across the skinny northern part of Manhattan ayway.

All the urban planning in the world can't help geography. NYC can't have a beltway or bypass the way other American cities often do.

As for the public transit lengths obviously the average is long because some people take really extreme interborough commutes by subway or bus to get to their shiatty retail job, nevermind the fact that NJ Transit, LIRR, Metro-North reach out way farther than most commuter rail systems. Math!!!
 
2021-01-19 4:53:44 PM  
After spending 9 weeks in STL's hot mess, it made me miss Topeka. Most of the roads are in straight lines coontil you get out to Lake Sherwood) and Kansas Ave. and 1st St. are the grid dividing lines separating NE/NW/SW/SE. If you don't know the city, it's easy to guess where something is from the address.

For instance, a house at 5821 SW XXXX is gonna be either 58 blocks from 1st St. or 58 blocks from Kansas Ave. In the days before GPS cell phones, knowing that trick was a godsend for a delivery driver using a folding map.

Whereas STL looks like they OD'd a drunk monkey with meth and gave it a pen and blueprint paper and said "Looks good. Ship it."
 
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