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2021-01-18 10:56:53 AM  
I was really expecting the GOP to treat Trump like a piece of cake after the election, but I should have realized the GOP always ALWAYS looks to mop up the dumb money...

Exhib A: Trump raised over $200M since he lost the election?!
Exhib B: The GOP think that money is theirs. They want it and will come for it...Soon.

Mark My Words....
The story coming out after Trump leaves office is that the GOP 'stabbed' Trump in the back and are trying to 'steal' his money.
 
2021-01-18 10:59:19 AM  
The law is coming.
 
2021-01-18 11:04:49 AM  
Your party base had decided to side with the bombastic politician that has satiated their rage for 4 or 5 years and has proven impossible for you to control. Consider this. Consider that you don't have a base anymore. If you don't have a base, do you really have a party? If you don't have a party, why bother?
 
2021-01-18 11:10:19 AM  
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Only if they do it while wearing these masks.
 
2021-01-18 11:25:11 AM  
"I don't think it's an easy call, but I think there would be a lot more Republican support evident if it were not linked to the Democrats' clear desire to prevent him from running for office ever again," said Vin Weber, a Republican strategist. "That's the real question politically.

WTF? YOU should want that!

Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again.  There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado.  Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now. If he runs in 24, it would almost certainly be as a third party spoiler who would split the ticket and hand the dems an easy victory.

Am I missing something here?
 
2021-01-18 11:42:51 AM  

gilgigamesh: "I don't think it's an easy call, but I think there would be a lot more Republican support evident if it were not linked to the Democrats' clear desire to prevent him from running for office ever again," said Vin Weber, a Republican strategist. "That's the real question politically.

WTF? YOU should want that!

Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again.  There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado.  Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now. If he runs in 24, it would almost certainly be as a third party spoiler who would split the ticket and hand the dems an easy victory.

Am I missing something here?


They are never going to come to terms with their problem when they keep scapegoating others.
 
2021-01-18 11:44:17 AM  
Hang separately, you scum.
 
2021-01-18 11:52:30 AM  
Their dilemma is that they all want the Trump base, but none of them can be Trump's successor while Trump is still around.

That's why you see the likes of Graham flopping from condemning the riots to demanding "unity", and Barr quietly whispering that he was protecting us from the worst of Trump all along.

I get the same energy from people quitting the administration in the last two weeks: they want to tell the base "I was always loyal to Trump's agenda" while telling the rest of the world "...but the little bit of insurrection at the end there took it too far".

And you know what? A lot of R voters are going to swallow it.
 
2021-01-18 12:07:10 PM  
watched a lot of footage from the insurrection this weekend and I gotta wonder how bad the R's are going to take it on the chin next election.  These Trumpers have turned on Fox News and they hate people like Pence, Thune, Graham and McConnell.  There's a deep fissure and it's only getting worse.

Oh.  hello, boner.  Not now.
 
2021-01-18 12:07:35 PM  
Imagine being sane and relying on 17 people to do the right thing.....and knowing they most likely wont.
 
2021-01-18 12:08:45 PM  
Hold onto that anchor to own the libs.

Seriously, keep a hold of it.
 
2021-01-18 12:09:27 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: watched a lot of footage from the insurrection this weekend and I gotta wonder how bad the R's are going to take it on the chin next election.  These Trumpers have turned on Fox News and they hate people like Pence, Thune, Graham and McConnell.  There's a deep fissure and it's only getting worse.

Oh.  hello, boner.  Not now.


2 years is a long time in the mind of voters. in 2022 They'll be like:
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2021-01-18 12:09:32 PM  

HugeMistake: Their dilemma is that they all want the Trump base, but none of them can be Trump's successor while Trump is still around.

That's why you see the likes of Graham flopping from condemning the riots to demanding "unity", and Barr quietly whispering that he was protecting us from the worst of Trump all along.

I get the same energy from people quitting the administration in the last two weeks: they want to tell the base "I was always loyal to Trump's agenda" while telling the rest of the world "...but the little bit of insurrection at the end there took it too far".

And you know what? A lot of R voters are going to swallow it.


The base may force them to move further to the Right to be more Trumpian. Well, rather than words, which is what Trump had, actions.
 
2021-01-18 12:10:00 PM  
This is where they kill Trump the Man, and elevate Trump, The Idea,
 
2021-01-18 12:10:15 PM  
I see WWII a lost election for Hitler. The Germans should have let him run again.
 
2021-01-18 12:10:31 PM  
Purging Trump is the only way that the GOP "might" survive long term.
 
2021-01-18 12:10:57 PM  
Start calling him a liar now, start pointing out how he turned his back on them. Do it now and conviction will be easier.
 
2021-01-18 12:11:00 PM  

gilgigamesh: "I don't think it's an easy call, but I think there would be a lot more Republican support evident if it were not linked to the Democrats' clear desire to prevent him from running for office ever again," said Vin Weber, a Republican strategist. "That's the real question politically.

WTF? YOU should want that!

Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again.  There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado.  Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now. If he runs in 24, it would almost certainly be as a third party spoiler who would split the ticket and hand the dems an easy victory.

Am I missing something here?


These are not clever people
 
2021-01-18 12:11:01 PM  

gilgigamesh: "I don't think it's an easy call, but I think there would be a lot more Republican support evident if it were not linked to the Democrats' clear desire to prevent him from running for office ever again," said Vin Weber, a Republican strategist. "That's the real question politically.

WTF? YOU should want that!

Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again.  There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado.  Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now. If he runs in 24, it would almost certainly be as a third party spoiler who would split the ticket and hand the dems an easy victory.

Am I missing something here?


Repubs automatically want to do the opposite of whatever the Dems propose. If the Dems hadn't impeached Trump, the Repubs would have removed Trump all on their own. Or something.
 
2021-01-18 12:11:05 PM  

gilgigamesh: Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again. There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado. Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now.


If you think that means they won't overwhelmingly nominate him again, you have far more faith in the GOP than I do.
 
2021-01-18 12:11:18 PM  
Hey GOP, if you don't purge him now, you'll be licking his taint for another 4 years.

Now, as exciting a prospect as that is, I'd like to remind you of how many people he's fired and betrayed and how many ended up in jail.  Next, he's failed to deliver the House, Senate and he lost the Presidency. His followers are being branded "traitors" and "seditionists" and the law is about to come down on all of them like a ton of bricks.

Just some things to think about as you line up, get down on your knees and pucker up to that taint.
 
2021-01-18 12:13:09 PM  
Do they really not see how the more quickly they get rid of this jacka** from the political ecosystem, the sooner they can go back to some modicum of pre-2016 "normalcy"? This is a unique opportunity to rid themselves of this clown.

Sure, his supporters will still be around - but they'll get over it. Trump is the one that sets them in motion. Remove the cancer.
 
2021-01-18 12:13:19 PM  
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We're going to see a whole lot of people who worked for him saying "I told you from the beginning he was a nut, but I had to go along with it to curb his worse impulses."
 
2021-01-18 12:14:01 PM  

gilgigamesh: "I don't think it's an easy call, but I think there would be a lot more Republican support evident if it were not linked to the Democrats' clear desire to prevent him from running for office ever again," said Vin Weber, a Republican strategist. "That's the real question politically.

WTF? YOU should want that!

Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again.  There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado.  Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now. If he runs in 24, it would almost certainly be as a third party spoiler who would split the ticket and hand the dems an easy victory.

Am I missing something here?


Yeah, you're missing the part where the majority of Republicans still support him over the Republican party. The chaos tornado is the goal, not the downside.

If he's able and willing to run in 2024, he will be the Republican nominee in 2024.
 
2021-01-18 12:14:06 PM  
This is purely performative.  They will not purge Trump, nor do anything substantial against him in anyway.
 
2021-01-18 12:14:17 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Your party base had decided to side with the bombastic politician that has satiated their rage for 4 or 5 years and has proven impossible for you to control. Consider this. Consider that you don't have a base anymore. If you don't have a base, do you really have a party? If you don't have a party, why bother?


Their base measures itself by its hundreds of billions of hoarded dollars, and by that metric they're having a nonstop party. What they need is cannon fodder. The problem is that the base forgot they paid for a systematic erosion of education and critical thinking over the past several decades, and the results have been even more pronounced than expected.

Hans Moleman in a phone booth: "I need the stupidest cannon fodder you have."
Moleman: "No, that's too stupid."
 
2021-01-18 12:15:12 PM  

HerptheDerp: Hey GOP, if you don't purge him now, you'll be licking his taint for another 4 years.


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2021-01-18 12:15:15 PM  
Trump is no the party's problem. The party's problem is that they have got everything they ever wanted, plua prevented the Dems from getting what they wanted, Meanwhile, their message was that they were unable to accomplish anything.

The result? They have no victory conditions. When they win, they say they lost. So, all they can do is lose. It doesn't matter who their figureheads are, the voters have no way to accept success. Trump's failures look like Bush's successes, Boehner's successes, McConnell's successes. They have no judgement at all.
 
2021-01-18 12:15:27 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Your party base had decided to side with the bombastic politician that has satiated their rage for 4 or 5 years and has proven impossible for you to control. Consider this. Consider that you don't have a base anymore. If you don't have a base, do you really have a party? If you don't have a party, why bother?


There's no reason to get on the Trump train as it goes off the rails.
 
2021-01-18 12:15:42 PM  
The nanosecond Dotard gets his Twitter account back, any Republican that is starting to show a spine will be back to being Donnie's lapdog.
 
2021-01-18 12:15:52 PM  
This happens with every Republican president. It's a pretty tried and true cycle:

1) They are lauded when they come into office as the best thing ever, with power-mad Republican hacks talking about "permanent majorities" and "mandates" and the like
2) They immediately abandon "conservative" principles and spend like drunken sailors while cutting taxes and driving up the deficit to unheard of levels
3) The tax cuts are paired with widespread and uncontrolled deregulation to such a degree that the economy crashes and leads to widespread unhappiness and economic malaise
4) They lose an election, which the Republican hacks blame on the 'liberal media' for overplaying the bad economy
5) The now-former president is retroactively accused of "spending like a liberal" and effectively disowned from the Republican party, fading into the background while an even more vile, aggressive breed takes over

Happened with Bush I and Bush II, and we're currently between steps 4 and 5 with Trump. Bush II was just lucky he had a 'rally round the flag' thing going, or he, too, would have been the standard four year template of crash and trash over the last 30 years.
 
2021-01-18 12:16:09 PM  

The Madd Mann: gilgigamesh: "I don't think it's an easy call, but I think there would be a lot more Republican support evident if it were not linked to the Democrats' clear desire to prevent him from running for office ever again," said Vin Weber, a Republican strategist. "That's the real question politically.

WTF? YOU should want that!

Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again.  There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado.  Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now. If he runs in 24, it would almost certainly be as a third party spoiler who would split the ticket and hand the dems an easy victory.

Am I missing something here?

Yeah, you're missing the part where the majority of Republicans still support him over the Republican party. The chaos tornado is the goal, not the downside.

If he's able and willing to run in 2024, he will be the Republican nominee in 2024.


I will legitimately be surprised if that fat fark isn't dead in four years.
 
2021-01-18 12:18:20 PM  
The "fact" that they're wrestling with it should tell anyone everything they need to know about the GOP.
 
2021-01-18 12:19:47 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: watched a lot of footage from the insurrection this weekend and I gotta wonder how bad the R's are going to take it on the chin next election.  These Trumpers have turned on Fox News and they hate people like Pence, Thune, Graham and McConnell.  There's a deep fissure and it's only getting worse.


Lots of Non-MAGA Cult Republicans want their party back and are ashamed of this Fascist Insurrection and of seeing all the Kooks and Nazis and White Power on full display - along with the Stars and Bars flown inside our Capitol during this Insurrection - all egged on by our Fascist Chickenhawk President who promised to lead them and then slunk back to the White House to cheer on his Cult from the Rear!  They aren't sure how to distance themselves as they will never become Socialist Demoncraps after 30 years of Fox and Rush's brainwashing but they do realize that something is terribly wrong right now with the extreme 60% of their party - but can't quite figure out what it is and what to do about it!
 
2021-01-18 12:21:09 PM  
It's too late now. If they split two years ago they could have rebuilt but they let that burning dumpster fire burn everything down. Anyone who wasn't stupid or lying to themselves could see this coming even if they couldn't predict the exact time or circumstances.
 
2021-01-18 12:22:02 PM  

gilgigamesh: "I don't think it's an easy call, but I think there would be a lot more Republican support evident if it were not linked to the Democrats' clear desire to prevent him from running for office ever again," said Vin Weber, a Republican strategist. "That's the real question politically.

WTF? YOU should want that!

Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again.  There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado.  Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now. If he runs in 24, it would almost certainly be as a third party spoiler who would split the ticket and hand the dems an easy victory.

Am I missing something here?


No, he'd run as a Republican and win the nomination easily. Let's not kid ourselves... Trump would use a second term to do nothing but settle scores, starting with Republicans who vote to impeach him or block him from running again. It would be smart for them to vote to block him from running again.
 
2021-01-18 12:22:17 PM  
Yeah , like that leopard is going to change its spots and stop eating faces ..
 
2021-01-18 12:22:48 PM  

Phil McKraken: There's no reason to get on the Trump train as it goes off the rails.


With the volume of support Trump and fascism have in this country, it's not going off the rails.  He's losing the Presidency, but the base that put him there aren't fracturing.  They aren't going anywhere, and are doubling down on his causes.  Anyone that successfully captures that adoration through the appearance or act of loyalty will be rewarded.  Those that do not will be cast aside.  The GOP will purge the last of their membership that are wishy-washy on Trumpism, and what will remain will be focused, dedicated, and fanatical.  This is all going to get so much worse.
 
2021-01-18 12:23:03 PM  

Chevello: The "fact" that they're wrestling with it should tell anyone everything they need to know about the GOP.


I am genuinely concerned that the GOP is going to legalize insurrection.

It just.... doesn't seem like a bright move.
 
2021-01-18 12:26:38 PM  
It looks like the GOP but it sounds like a chicken coop.
 
2021-01-18 12:26:46 PM  
This is when the remaining megadonors who haven't pulled their funding for the GOP starts to turn the screws.
 
2021-01-18 12:27:40 PM  
When you're operating a commercial boiler, occasionally you're required to perform a boiler blowdown. This is essentially opening the drains temporarily to clear any accumulated debris or impurities within the water system.

Trump and his ilk are the equivalent of hooking a boiler up to a sewage line as the feedwater. There's no blowdown in the world that will be enough to clear the boiler. The only thing to do is build a new waterline and scour every surface of the boiler inside and out.

Whether or not the boiler itself can be saved to be used again is becoming quite questionable.
 
2021-01-18 12:28:38 PM  

Rogue Surf: Soup4Bonnie: watched a lot of footage from the insurrection this weekend and I gotta wonder how bad the R's are going to take it on the chin next election.  These Trumpers have turned on Fox News and they hate people like Pence, Thune, Graham and McConnell.  There's a deep fissure and it's only getting worse.

Lots of Non-MAGA Cult Republicans want their party back and are ashamed of this Fascist Insurrection and of seeing all the Kooks and Nazis and White Power on full display - along with the Stars and Bars flown inside our Capitol during this Insurrection - all egged on by our Fascist Chickenhawk President who promised to lead them and then slunk back to the White House to cheer on his Cult from the Rear!  They aren't sure how to distance themselves as they will never become Socialist Demoncraps after 30 years of Fox and Rush's brainwashing but they do realize that something is terribly wrong right now with the extreme 60% of their party - but can't quite figure out what it is and what to do about it!


Anyone who's not a moron might see that the way to build their party would be to adopt a positive platform of things people want. But that might involve more brown people becoming Republicans, which would offend the white Republicans and drive them away. There's enough momentum behind things like "we don't want babies killed" to draw in the sympathetic; add in some healthcare and an increased minimum wage and people would start converting.

It's a thinker, for sure. I think their only hope, though, is to ditch the looney toons Q crowd and to try something different.

Personally, I hope they fail and split into two parties. Force this country to acknowledge what a left and right truly looks like, and how far we've traveled from liberalism.
 
2021-01-18 12:30:06 PM  
They're farked either way. And I could not be happier.
 
2021-01-18 12:31:03 PM  

gilgigamesh: "I don't think it's an easy call, but I think there would be a lot more Republican support evident if it were not linked to the Democrats' clear desire to prevent him from running for office ever again," said Vin Weber, a Republican strategist. "That's the real question politically.

WTF? YOU should want that!

Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again.  There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado.  Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now. If he runs in 24, it would almost certainly be as a third party spoiler who would split the ticket and hand the dems an easy victory.

Am I missing something here?


You're using logic and reason.
 
2021-01-18 12:31:41 PM  

imashark: When you're operating a commercial boiler, occasionally you're required to perform a boiler blowdown. This is essentially opening the drains temporarily to clear any accumulated debris or impurities within the water system.

Trump and his ilk are the equivalent of hooking a boiler up to a sewage line as the feedwater. There's no blowdown in the world that will be enough to clear the boiler. The only thing to do is build a new waterline and scour every surface of the boiler inside and out.

Whether or not the boiler itself can be saved to be used again is becoming quite questionable.


So... You're saying I shouldn't put poop in my boiler?
 
2021-01-18 12:31:55 PM  
Passengers aboard flight 93 "debated" whether to stop the terrorists, too.

Of course, they were victims. They didn't buy their tickets knowing the plane was going to be hijacked and yee-haw their way on board.

In essence: the GOP bought their ticket. I say, let them crash.
 
2021-01-18 12:32:24 PM  

gilgigamesh: "I don't think it's an easy call, but I think there would be a lot more Republican support evident if it were not linked to the Democrats' clear desire to prevent him from running for office ever again," said Vin Weber, a Republican strategist. "That's the real question politically.

WTF? YOU should want that!

Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again.  There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado.  Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now. If he runs in 24, it would almost certainly be as a third party spoiler who would split the ticket and hand the dems an easy victory.

Am I missing something here?


And which potential GOP candidate do you think could successfully win a primary against him?  Lil Rubio? Take my wife, please Cruz? Please Clap Jeb?  Reek aka Pence?

A winning candidate against him is possible only if they are worse than him.
 
2021-01-18 12:34:34 PM  

gilgigamesh: Trump will never be able to survive a major party primary system again.  There is no more pretending he is anything but a chaos tornado.  Even the dimmest bulbs know who he is now. If he runs in 24, it would almost certainly be as a third party spoiler who would split the ticket and hand the dems an easy victory.

Am I missing something here?


Very simple question - who could beat Trump in a GOP primary right now?

The answer to that is "no one".  He's got half the party supporting him, minimum.  And they farking vote.  Not a lot of Trump supporters staying home on election day.  Not a single other GOPer out there that could crack 25% in a GOP primary right now.  Even Romney.  And that support is soft.  A lot of couch surfers who won't bother.

Put a panel of GOP candidates up right now, and Trump runs away with it.  He'd lose the general again, even worse.  But he'd own the primary.
 
2021-01-18 12:34:44 PM  
In 2024 someone will run who wants to "Take us past the divisions of the last 4 years and make us into One Nation, of One People, with One Leader".  Whether that's Trump or not is anyone's guess, in any event the Republican Party has had it with democracy, and crave freedom from the freedom of others.
 
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