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2021-01-18 10:54:08 AM  
This may really be an important find, especially in terms of filling out our picture of life/death for non-elites in the New Kingdom.
However, the rhetoric of the article (rewriting history!) is pretty standard for any decently interesting find, boilerplate hyperbole designed to bolster tourism (and bring in external grants).
 
2021-01-18 11:07:24 AM  
famed Egyptologist Zahi Hawass

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2021-01-18 11:16:24 AM  

Megathuma: This may really be an important find, especially in terms of filling out our picture of life/death for non-elites in the New Kingdom.
However, the rhetoric of the article (rewriting history!) is pretty standard for any decently interesting find, boilerplate hyperbole designed to bolster tourism (and bring in external grants).


I thought the same thing, except tfa notes that the find in Saqqara is an area associated with burials from the Ptolemaic era, and these predate that time by more than 1000 years.

It's not exactly like opening a sarcophagus and finding a macbook, but it is pretty significant.
 
2021-01-18 11:35:21 AM  

gilgigamesh: Megathuma: This may really be an important find, especially in terms of filling out our picture of life/death for non-elites in the New Kingdom.
However, the rhetoric of the article (rewriting history!) is pretty standard for any decently interesting find, boilerplate hyperbole designed to bolster tourism (and bring in external grants).

I thought the same thing, except tfa notes that the find in Saqqara is an area associated with burials from the Ptolemaic era, and these predate that time by more than 1000 years.

It's not exactly like opening a sarcophagus and finding a macbook, but it is pretty significant.


Oh, I don't disagree about it's likely significance. But the article was misleading in some ways--Saqqara has some pretty significant NK finds (e.g., the tomb of Horemheb, though he wasn't buried there, I believe, just some of his wives). For me at least, the real interest lies in the presence of non-elite items and tombs. I'm looking forward to the pubs that stem from this.
 
2021-01-18 11:41:23 AM  

Megathuma: gilgigamesh: Megathuma: This may really be an important find, especially in terms of filling out our picture of life/death for non-elites in the New Kingdom.
However, the rhetoric of the article (rewriting history!) is pretty standard for any decently interesting find, boilerplate hyperbole designed to bolster tourism (and bring in external grants).

I thought the same thing, except tfa notes that the find in Saqqara is an area associated with burials from the Ptolemaic era, and these predate that time by more than 1000 years.

It's not exactly like opening a sarcophagus and finding a macbook, but it is pretty significant.

Oh, I don't disagree about it's likely significance. But the article was misleading in some ways--Saqqara has some pretty significant NK finds (e.g., the tomb of Horemheb, though he wasn't buried there, I believe, just some of his wives). For me at least, the real interest lies in the presence of non-elite items and tombs. I'm looking forward to the pubs that stem from this.


Agreed.
 
2021-01-18 11:43:35 AM  
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2021-01-18 11:51:05 AM  

gilgigamesh: Megathuma: gilgigamesh: Megathuma: This may really be an important find, especially in terms of filling out our picture of life/death for non-elites in the New Kingdom.
However, the rhetoric of the article (rewriting history!) is pretty standard for any decently interesting find, boilerplate hyperbole designed to bolster tourism (and bring in external grants).

I thought the same thing, except tfa notes that the find in Saqqara is an area associated with burials from the Ptolemaic era, and these predate that time by more than 1000 years.

It's not exactly like opening a sarcophagus and finding a macbook, but it is pretty significant.

Oh, I don't disagree about it's likely significance. But the article was misleading in some ways--Saqqara has some pretty significant NK finds (e.g., the tomb of Horemheb, though he wasn't buried there, I believe, just some of his wives). For me at least, the real interest lies in the presence of non-elite items and tombs. I'm looking forward to the pubs that stem from this.

Agreed.


I'm no history expert but all TFA tells me is the timeline might be reordered. I don't know if or why that's a big deal so I appreciate you folks that do explaining it for ignorati like myself.
 
2021-01-18 11:56:03 AM  

Megathuma: gilgigamesh: Megathuma: This may really be an important find, especially in terms of filling out our picture of life/death for non-elites in the New Kingdom.
However, the rhetoric of the article (rewriting history!) is pretty standard for any decently interesting find, boilerplate hyperbole designed to bolster tourism (and bring in external grants).

I thought the same thing, except tfa notes that the find in Saqqara is an area associated with burials from the Ptolemaic era, and these predate that time by more than 1000 years.

It's not exactly like opening a sarcophagus and finding a macbook, but it is pretty significant.

Oh, I don't disagree about it's likely significance. But the article was misleading in some ways--Saqqara has some pretty significant NK finds (e.g., the tomb of Horemheb, though he wasn't buried there, I believe, just some of his wives). For me at least, the real interest lies in the presence of non-elite items and tombs. I'm looking forward to the pubs that stem from this.


Me too. I'm tired of going to King Tut's Bar and Grill.
 
2021-01-18 12:08:57 PM  

edmo: gilgigamesh: Megathuma: gilgigamesh: Megathuma:

I'm no history expert but all TFA tells me is the timeline might be reordered. I don't know if or why that's a big deal so I appreciate you folks that do explaining it for ignorati like myself.


Honestly, there's so little clear info so far that I can only guess. For the NK element, this may make us reassess who was being buried at certain times in the area. As burial--and the geography of burial--typically reflects critical political and social realities (i.e., where you are buried and in what conditions you were buried says a lot about your place in your contemporary society), this may make us revise some political/cultural timelines. Several periods in the New Kingdom suffer from really confusing timelines, so something here may clear one or more of these issues up.

I suspect, however, that Hawass' statement about rewriting history is more looking at the discovery of a new queen's name (Neit) from the Old Kingdom--the excavations include some finds related to the era of King Teti, who was way, way earlier. In particular, it seems her tomb and pyramid were discovered. How important is this? Eh. For historians, yeah, it's important or at least helpful information about a period that suffers from lack of information, especially when compared to the Middle and New Kingdom. Her tomb will likely provide more examples of significant artifacts (only guessing here). But for the rest of the world? Unless there's something Tut-level awesome in there, it won't be that important.
 
2021-01-18 12:32:16 PM  
I know so very little about that era, but whenever I read much anything, I am just so very dumbstruck by how far back human history really goes. That there was more time between the old kingdom and the new kingdom (or even ancient Greece) than there is between the fall of the Roman Empire and now - Imagine all the kingdoms and empires lost to time. Imagine all the stories, music, knowledge that will never again be known.

Even the earliest known cities from the Fertile Crescent may not really have been first.

It is just so very much to try to wrap my mind around century-long blocks of history while at the same time seeing how much changes in even a decade now - and to realize that was likely true back then as well
 
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2021-01-18 12:34:49 PM  
I was disappointed when Zahi was removed from his primary office after the uprising, but it's always nice to see he's still around.

His docu-dramas on Egyptology are hilarious.  He's so over-the-top but in a fun way.

I also agree "rewriting history" is once again one of his gross exaggerations, but he's a showman, so you expect it.

Doesn't take away from his skill and screen presence at all, I really dig the guy.

/get it?  lulz
 
2021-01-18 12:37:46 PM  
So it proves that the Templars deposited the Arc of the Covenant on Oak Island?  No?  Damn!

a papyrus around five metres long containing the 17th chapter of the book of the dead

Please tell me nobody read that out loud... 2021 will be worse than 2020!
 
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2021-01-18 12:38:11 PM  
"Orange 4" is my new "favorite" color for those versed in these subjects.

/kinda sand-y
 
2021-01-18 12:48:22 PM  
Well, we already unleashed plague and locusts, so I guess its frogs next?
 
2021-01-18 12:55:02 PM  
Sure, open the sarcophagi. Nothing bad's gonna happen THIS time right?
 
2021-01-18 1:06:32 PM  
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2021-01-18 1:10:08 PM  
The pyramids were landing pads for alien ships.  I saw it on the documentary Stargate SG-1.
 
2021-01-18 1:31:04 PM  

labman: The pyramids were landing pads for alien ships.  I saw it on the documentary Stargate SG-1.


Stargate got it wrong.

They stored grain during Biblical times after they were landmark beacons for the spaceships that landed on the Giza plateau tens of thousands of years ago.
 
2021-01-18 1:47:18 PM  

Megathuma: the rhetoric of the article (rewriting history!) is pretty standard for any decently interesting find, boilerplate hyperbole designed to bolster tourism (and bring in external grants).


They almost got me, too, but every find they mentioned seem to offer the chance to flesh out New Kingdom history - but not rewrite it.
 
2021-01-18 3:49:02 PM  

Megathuma: This may really be an important find, especially in terms of filling out our picture of life/death for non-elites in the New Kingdom.
However, the rhetoric of the article (rewriting history!) is pretty standard for any decently interesting find, boilerplate hyperbole designed to bolster tourism (and bring in external grants).


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2021-01-18 3:56:20 PM  

labman: The pyramids were landing pads for alien ships.  I saw it on the documentary Stargate SG-1.


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2021-01-18 5:19:29 PM  
So, just saying, Scrooge McDuck is a TERRIBLE archeologist.  I don't think we should let rich people be archeologists, but 75 years on he's still going
 
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