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2021-01-18 10:45:14 AM  

Nadie_AZ: HighOnCraic: [Fark user image 789x460]

"Martin Luther King, Jr., was simply more sensitive, and so more bitter, than the average Southern Negro, and hence unqualified as a litmus of the Southern Negro's discontent."

/Guy who was born on third base didn't want "those people" to get into the on-deck circle.

His debate with James Baldwin is amazing. Baldwin towered over him with his logic and reason and Buckley had to "look upon Mr Baldwin as if he were a white person" in order to take him seriously. His words were so empty. I never understood why he was revered.

Elliot8654: It's always amazing to me how many white people who barely made it out of high school suddenly become sociologists and can tell you what MLK really was all about.

I acquiesce. I can never hope to know or understand. I can only hope to have an understanding and be an ally to tear the system down.


I can't really "understand" fully either, as I am not from the time, place, race, or struggle that he went through.

But we can all be supporters and allies for the values. Equality, respect, and brotherhood.
 
2021-01-18 10:51:05 AM  

Fart_Machine: sleze: Based on the polls, Trump is probably comparably hated now.  Does that mean in a few decades we will celebrate Trump Day?

Garbage day is a regular occurrence but it's not celebrated.


We can tell who doesn't live with a three year old.
 
2021-01-18 10:52:13 AM  

jimjays: Glockenspiel Hero: You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.

That's a good point. Until just a few years ago I assumed an overwhelming majority of Americans love our country. Trump--whose only consistent positions are self-dealing and racism--was elected by telling his people it's broken and "only I can fix it." Then there was a violent insurrection, a physical manifestation of the president's and a major political party's desire to scrap our "rule of law" (remember when that was a big deal?) altogether. Clearly that half of the country has only been paying lip service to their love of god and country all this time.


To a person, they will all tell you they love their country and that's why they're fighting to save it, and they will be 100% serious about it.

The problem isn't that they don't "love their country". The problem is that their vision of their country is pretty different, and the things they're "saving" it from largely don't exist.
 
2021-01-18 10:54:12 AM  
If King were around today, he'd just be canceled on Twitter for his philandering.   Because everyone on Twitter is perfect.
 
2021-01-18 10:56:29 AM  

Marshmallow Jones: If King were around today, he'd just be canceled on Twitter for his philandering.   Because everyone on Twitter is perfect.


Were MLK alive today, he'd be accused of "purity tests" by the same white moderates he wrote about.
 
2021-01-18 11:00:44 AM  

talkertopc: Does that mean that the U.S. will have Trump day in the future?

(No it does not.)


Some ass kisser in a red state will likely suggest it.
 
2021-01-18 11:02:35 AM  

Fart_Machine: sleze: Based on the polls, Trump is probably comparably hated now.  Does that mean in a few decades we will celebrate Trump Day?

Garbage day is a regular occurrence but it's not celebrated.


You win the internet for the day!
 
2021-01-18 11:06:50 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Rapmaster2000: Everyone hated Nixon too, and not much has changed.

Which is why Nixon was assassinated.


Leading to the inauguration of Ford. Tragically, he was assassinated by wolves.
 
2021-01-18 11:08:02 AM  

EyeballKid: Marshmallow Jones: If King were around today, he'd just be canceled on Twitter for his philandering.   Because everyone on Twitter is perfect.

Were MLK alive today, he'd be accused of "purity tests" by the same white moderates he wrote about.


Stop deluding yourself.  He got on those people for saying that race issues should be dealt with later, that other issues have to come first.  Much like Fark's hard core left wingers, deal with the economics and everything else will just tickle down.  I notice that a majority of you guys were missing from the BLM threads.
 
2021-01-18 11:08:44 AM  
I grew up in a racist household hearing derisive comments about MLK Jr.

Since he was murdered before I was born, I had no context on him, but it always seemed wrong to me on some level. Nowadays I am judging them harshly.
 
2021-01-18 11:11:38 AM  
King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.
 
2021-01-18 11:14:42 AM  

EyeballKid: Wonder where this tab's usual denizens who are more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice are to comment on how King would be happy by a Biden presidency were he alive today.


I like to think that MLK Jr. was smart enough to realize that 'moderate' is preferable to 'fascist lunatic'.
 
2021-01-18 11:14:51 AM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


And here's a guy who only got as far as the "I have a dream" speech.  Welcome!  We were waiting for you.  🤣
 
2021-01-18 11:20:50 AM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives. The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


MLK was a far-left socialist, you jackoff. And he sure as shiat didn't mean that we could just flip a switch and become "colorblind"; we need to address the systemic racism which is, and always has been, protected by conservatives before that is possible.
 
2021-01-18 11:22:50 AM  

LordJiro: EyeballKid: Wonder where this tab's usual denizens who are more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice are to comment on how King would be happy by a Biden presidency were he alive today.

I like to think that MLK Jr. was smart enough to realize that 'moderate' is preferable to 'fascist lunatic'.


Ahhhhh, there's that tranquilizing drug of gradualism!
 
2021-01-18 11:30:40 AM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


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Yep....all those conservative Socialists....
 
2021-01-18 11:32:06 AM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: It's galling to see Fascist hacks trying to claim MLK as a "conservative." The man was one stop short of a card carrying socialist. An actual socialist, not a "does not drink Fox Propaganda's Kool-Aid" socialist.


Let's not forget that the FBI called him the greatest threat to our nation and relentlessly hounded him.
 
2021-01-18 11:48:04 AM  
The government hated that he called for racial justice. They really hated that he called for economic justice.
 
2021-01-18 11:49:42 AM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today


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2021-01-18 11:56:58 AM  
Dr. Martin Luthor King, Jr. made his "I Have a Dream Speech," at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.  Somehow, cons who want to co-opt Dr. King always forget the "Jobs" part of the March on Washington.
 
2021-01-18 11:59:22 AM  

Latinwolf: EyeballKid: Marshmallow Jones: If King were around today, he'd just be canceled on Twitter for his philandering.   Because everyone on Twitter is perfect.

Were MLK alive today, he'd be accused of "purity tests" by the same white moderates he wrote about.

Stop deluding yourself.  He got on those people for saying that race issues should be dealt with later, that other issues have to come first.  Much like Fark's hard core left wingers, deal with the economics and everything else will just tickle down.  I notice that a majority of you guys were missing from the BLM threads.


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"Although Phillips praises the 'Obama model,' he ignores that Obama's approach was an inclusive one that promoted a populist, anti-establishment economic message. Recall Obama's 2008 remarks to the AFL-CIO, during which he sounded an awful lot like a certain senator from Vermont: 'For far too long, through both Democratic and Republican administrations, the system has been rigged against everyday Americans by the lobbyists that Wall Street uses to get its way.'

Four years later, the 2012 presidential race was defined by the tension between the 1 percent, represented by Mitt Romney, infamous for characterizing 47 percent of Americans as 'dependent' and 'entitled' 'victims who who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them,' and Obama, who came to symbolize the interests of the '99 percent' and the Occupy Wall Street movement - even if he inadequately represented its interests. Remember that Obama burst onto the political scene with a 2004 convention speech that emphasized racial identity (e.g., a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas) while also highlighting a unifying national identity that rejected the notion of 'red' and 'blue' states.

Nothing in Phillips's assessment of the 'Obama model' reflects this more complete understanding of how Obama actually won. Obama didn't choose identity over economic justice. He emphasized both. And he won. Twice."
 
2021-01-18 12:03:21 PM  

born_yesterday: Drank_the_40_water: born_yesterday: But when can we have an honest discussion of how we benefit when we deny minorities their rights?

We don't.  Small minded zero sum world view greedy (mostly) white assholes THINK they lose something if minorities gain rights and access, but that is crap.  The contributions of more educated people, more opportunity for those people to innovate, invent and create, and a more peaceful, stable and safe society benefit everyone.  They benefit people of color more than my white ass, but nonetheless.  We do not live in some weirdly constrained math problem.

I hope my sarcasm was evident.  I always go back to the Johnson quote about poor whites willing to empty their pockets to maintain institutionalized racism.


No, my sarcasm meter is really unreliable these days, but I did not actually think you meant any such thing. Should have lead with that.
Just get so damn tired of people who do, and wanted to rant some.

Take for example how we fund schools. Loads of mostly well intentioned people who think that keeping our grossly unjust hyper local funding in place is uncomfortable but ultimately OK because they are just looking out for their kids and doesn't everyone want the best for their kids?

But if your crotch fruit had 80% of the resource advantages but were going to graduate into a vastly stronger economy, they'd be better off. Educating everyone and opportunity for everyone is an investment in a better future with huge benefits to all even if your kids school had to put off remodeling the weight room for a few years and sell cookies to pay for uniforms. Etc.

The poor whites quote is definitely a truism, but I think about the quote about the greatest stumbling block in the stride to freedom is not the trumper, but the white moderate... The zero sum driven racism of the white moderate, so to speak, that is a part of how we got here.

I know business owners who voted for the marmalade Mugabe, because they benefit from the deregulation and tax cuts, and while they know and decry the insanity of the trump movement, they are still gonna get theirs.
 
2021-01-18 12:14:22 PM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


I bet your friends call you the "smart one".
 
2021-01-18 12:23:33 PM  
What bothers me more is less the fact that people forget HOW much MLK had fight to get where he did but HOW MUCH pushback he got.

I swear EVERY casually racist white women I've EVER met ALWAYS name drops him like he's the second coming of Christ when criticizing BLM. "But MLK was non-violent..." And he was farking shot! They always ignore that part. They focus on his method and not his logic.

I had to chew one of these out at a protest back in the summer. "I wish they didn't swear..." Lady, you are whiter than Cornel Sanders and twice as fat, you got zero standing to be saying shiat how people protest. Either support it or go back to Grey's Anatomy and talking about Judy in Accounting behind her back.
 
2021-01-18 12:23:41 PM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


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LordJiro: MLK was a far-left socialist, you jackoff. And he sure as shiat didn't mean that we could just flip a switch and become "colorblind"; we need to address the systemic racism which is, and always has been, protected by conservatives before that is possible


and armed. When they knew they were protesting against law enforcement, civil rights leaders came unarmed. When they were organizing, we're talking about armed men watching country roads at night to guard leaders. Houses turned into veritable fortresses.

One black farker put it best. Democrats need to come out in favor of the right to self defense. Too kany guns in the wrong hands already. Had it not been for armed resistance, the civil rights movement would've been more hindered.

"We will shoot back" is one hell of a read.
 
2021-01-18 12:34:32 PM  

wildsnowllama: Personally, one of the hardest things about the past four years I've had to grapple with is what coward I truly am.  Growing up I'd read stories about people like Dr. King and I'd think to myself "Well yeah!  I'd do that too!"
Finding out my country kept children in cages and sitting back and doing nothing about it has melted part of my soul and I've curled up into a ball and bawled about everything on more than one occasion.
I don't know where I'm going with this except he was a remarkable human being and when I found out about his marital issues it helped me realize that even flawed humans can do remarkable things.  So maybe there's hope for me yet.


Greatness is not just a matter of character. It takes the conflux of good character, combined with the understanding of what you can do to help, and the opportunity to apply it to create a "great" person. Just like getting rich.

Sadly, opportunity, then training, then character is the order that matters most. That's why conservatives are so opposed to democratizing opportunity, and why they hate education. They know in a fair competition their lack of character will cost them.

That's why "socialist" ideas are so critical, if we broaden economic opportunity, removing the constant threat of starvation and homelessness for the average person, we will see a flowering of human potential that hasn't been seen since the post-war world or the Renaissance.

I firmly believe in the character of the average person, but our system crushes opportunity for an individual to express that character beyond the hearth and home. For one, people below a certain income spend almost all their awake time working to make ends meet. Charity, political involvement, activism all require time and energy people working all the time do not have. For another the oligarchs manipulate propaganda to spew a steady stream of bullshiat and disinformation to overcomplicate things, to obfuscate their perfidy, to make even reading the news of the day an exercise in deep thought to parse the true from the false.
 
2021-01-18 12:38:21 PM  
Here's a document that chronicles what white people thought about MLK and civil rights movement as it was happening. It was put together by Mariame Kaba and provides great context for how white-washed MLK's legacy has become. https://tinyurl.com/whiteshat​eprotests

She's a great follow on Twitter, @prisonculture.
 
2021-01-18 12:43:17 PM  

EyeballKid: LordJiro: EyeballKid: Wonder where this tab's usual denizens who are more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice are to comment on how King would be happy by a Biden presidency were he alive today.

I like to think that MLK Jr. was smart enough to realize that 'moderate' is preferable to 'fascist lunatic'.

Ahhhhh, there's that tranquilizing drug of gradualism!


I would have preferred Bernie, or even Warren, had I had the chance to vote for either of them.  I would also prefer that the poorer classes organize against the oligarchs; form unions, keep protesting, pull off a general strike, the whole works, because voting is only one tool in the toolbox and the others are, unfortunately, getting a little rusty.

People treating others like farking Trump supporters because they're hesitant to tear down someone who hasn't even done anything as President yet just because they don't completely conform to their politics isn't helping anyone.
 
2021-01-18 12:52:29 PM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


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2021-01-18 12:58:19 PM  

LordJiro: People treating others like farking Trump supporters because they're hesitant to tear down someone who hasn't even done anything as President yet just because they don't completely conform to their politics isn't helping anyone.


I wouldn't call moderates Trump  supporters, per se; more like Trump enablers.

For example, who made all those concentration camps that Trump wound up sticking so many kids in?
 
2021-01-18 1:32:27 PM  

BizarreMan: I do not doubt that there were many white Americans who hated him because they were racist scum.
There were possibly many black Americans who hated him because they feared the backlash from the racist scum.

It would be interesting to see what the demographics on that poll are.


All white I'd wager.
 
2021-01-18 1:39:43 PM  

silo123j: King wasn't wrong.

The people on the far right (my aunt is one of them) think that there is this cabal of Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris, and a host of other Democrats are communists in disguise and are ready to take down the country and enslave us all. It's mind boggling that they think this.

I actually got in an ill timed argument while thanking them for Xmas gifts they sent me. She was actually crying, scared for my children with "what is coming" and she said that everything in the media is wrong, and I am being duped and I am the one who is a sheep.

How do you argue with it?> I tried. I only spun myself up when I demanded this question be answered... "Did Obama take your guns?" He tried! "But did he actually take them?"

Denying COVID deaths, denying science. This is a woman who has a Master's degree in library science and she is so far down the rabbit hole I weep at the smart intelligent woman I lost from my life.


A large portion of our country are slaves to communism. I can't afford to miss a day of work. That's what is preposterous about the claim that we'd be enslaved by Social Democracy.

Let's keep up corporate welfare instead of uplifting our population.
 
2021-01-18 1:40:51 PM  

Mr. skaw: silo123j: King wasn't wrong.

The people on the far right (my aunt is one of them) think that there is this cabal of Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris, and a host of other Democrats are communists in disguise and are ready to take down the country and enslave us all. It's mind boggling that they think this.

I actually got in an ill timed argument while thanking them for Xmas gifts they sent me. She was actually crying, scared for my children with "what is coming" and she said that everything in the media is wrong, and I am being duped and I am the one who is a sheep.

How do you argue with it?> I tried. I only spun myself up when I demanded this question be answered... "Did Obama take your guns?" He tried! "But did he actually take them?"

Denying COVID deaths, denying science. This is a woman who has a Master's degree in library science and she is so far down the rabbit hole I weep at the smart intelligent woman I lost from my life.

A large portion of our country are slaves to communism. I can't afford to miss a day of work. That's what is preposterous about the claim that we'd be enslaved by Social Democracy.

Let's keep up corporate welfare instead of uplifting our population.


NOT communism damnit. CAPITALISM.

Proofreading is good.
 
2021-01-18 2:14:02 PM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


Other posters have already exposed you for the lair you are.

I just wanted to add that whether you do this crap out of ignorance or some perverse joy derived from trolling, you should be ashamed of yourself. Please. I implore you. Be a better person.
 
2021-01-18 4:24:39 PM  

Capt_Clown: What bothers me more is less the fact that people forget HOW much MLK had fight to get where he did but HOW MUCH pushback he got.

I swear EVERY casually racist white women I've EVER met ALWAYS name drops him like he's the second coming of Christ when criticizing BLM. "But MLK was non-violent..." And he was farking shot! They always ignore that part. They focus on his method and not his logic.

I had to chew one of these out at a protest back in the summer. "I wish they didn't swear..." Lady, you are whiter than Cornel Sanders and twice as fat, you got zero standing to be saying shiat how people protest. Either support it or go back to Grey's Anatomy and talking about Judy in Accounting behind her back.


Even before the advent of social media, there was a concerted effort to whitewash MLK Jr. into the Will Smith of the Civil Rights movement. I first started noticing it in the early 90s, when teenagers started wearing "X' caps and the movie about Malcolm X was about to come out.

The effort wasn't so much to elevate MLK, but to criticize Malcolm because "did he have to be so angry about it?"

Never mind that lots of people in the 1960s, including J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, didn't really care about the stylistic differences between the two.
 
2021-01-19 12:42:33 AM  
To shoot a final hole in the "MLK would totally be BFFs with conservatives" bullshiat, a reminder that he advocated for free housing, a minimum wage high enough to guarantee a comfortable lifestyle, and a basic income even for those who can't/won't work.

https://twitter.com/ClintSmithIII/sta​t​us/1351226591070855168
 
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