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2021-01-18 9:13:44 AM  
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2021-01-18 9:23:32 AM  
I do not doubt that there were many white Americans who hated him because they were racist scum.
There were possibly many black Americans who hated him because they feared the backlash from the racist scum.

It would be interesting to see what the demographics on that poll are.
 
2021-01-18 9:25:49 AM  

BizarreMan: It would be interesting to see what the demographics on that poll are.


This.
 
2021-01-18 9:26:29 AM  
Yes he was. That's what makes what he accomplished with all of the people that followed him so much more impressive and inspiring.

We all know change comes slowly to this country. He showed what can happen when you hurry it up, and he paid the ultimate price for it.

If he had not done all that he did... we would all be worse off as people and as a country.

Thanks for everything Reverend.
 
2021-01-18 9:28:48 AM  
But when can we have an honest discussion of how we benefit when we deny minorities their rights?
 
2021-01-18 9:29:56 AM  
This link should be the Weeners to anyone who uses the phrase "Why can't they protest respectfully and peacefully like MLK?"  They didn't put a bullet in Kap's head for taking a knee.
 
2021-01-18 9:34:09 AM  
He was a socialist and socialists were hated in this nation, whether they were black or any other color or gender.

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2021-01-18 9:44:30 AM  
You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.
 
2021-01-18 9:51:31 AM  
Does that mean that the U.S. will have Trump day in the future?

(No it does not.)
 
2021-01-18 9:51:42 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.


I remember quite a few of my Southern acquaintances referring to it as "n-word day".

Always made me sad to hear that. That people felt safe and brave enough to say that to me like I agreed with them or something.

We've come a long way and have so much further to go.
 
2021-01-18 9:53:17 AM  
Everyone hated Nixon too, and not much has changed.
 
2021-01-18 9:53:53 AM  
"Was" one of the most hated men in this country? "Is", submitter. There are still plenty of people from my father's generation (and their children) that still wouldn't mind putting a bullet in him if he were around today. Ask them about "Black Lives Matter" and watch their reactions.
 
2021-01-18 9:55:11 AM  

Nadie_AZ: He was a socialist and socialists were hated in this nation, whether they were black or any other color or gender.

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And nothing has changed in 56 years.
 
2021-01-18 9:55:24 AM  
King wasn't wrong.

The people on the far right (my aunt is one of them) think that there is this cabal of Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris, and a host of other Democrats are communists in disguise and are ready to take down the country and enslave us all. It's mind boggling that they think this.

I actually got in an ill timed argument while thanking them for Xmas gifts they sent me. She was actually crying, scared for my children with "what is coming" and she said that everything in the media is wrong, and I am being duped and I am the one who is a sheep.

How do you argue with it?> I tried. I only spun myself up when I demanded this question be answered... "Did Obama take your guns?" He tried! "But did he actually take them?"

Denying COVID deaths, denying science. This is a woman who has a Master's degree in library science and she is so far down the rabbit hole I weep at the smart intelligent woman I lost from my life.
 
2021-01-18 9:56:28 AM  
The vast majority of USA citizens have a knee jerk reaction when hearing the work "Socialism"

I honestly believe that most of them couldn't even tell you what the word means, they are just conditioned to hate.

Puppets.
 
2021-01-18 9:56:51 AM  

born_yesterday: But when can we have an honest discussion of how we benefit when we deny minorities their rights?


We don't.  Small minded zero sum world view greedy (mostly) white assholes THINK they lose something if minorities gain rights and access, but that is crap.  The contributions of more educated people, more opportunity for those people to innovate, invent and create, and a more peaceful, stable and safe society benefit everyone.  They benefit people of color more than my white ass, but nonetheless.  We do not live in some weirdly constrained math problem.
 
2021-01-18 9:57:34 AM  

plecos: Nadie_AZ: He was a socialist and socialists were hated in this nation, whether they were black or any other color or gender.

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And nothing has changed in 56 years.


There is some hope. When Bernie Sanders ran in 2016, he was accused of being a socialists. "Well yeah" was his reply and he didn't try to change the subject or try to apologize. A lot of Americans accepted him and his economic and political views.
 
2021-01-18 9:59:03 AM  

rewind2846: "Was" one of the most hated men in this country? "Is", submitter. There are still plenty of people from my father's generation (and their children) that still wouldn't mind putting a bullet in him if he were around today. Ask them about "Black Lives Matter" and watch their reactions.


He's been reinvented by many of them as a conservative Republican because southern Democrats at the time were racists and a selective quote taken from the "I have a dream" speech they heard in High School.
 
2021-01-18 9:59:38 AM  

Drank_the_40_water: born_yesterday: But when can we have an honest discussion of how we benefit when we deny minorities their rights?

We don't.  Small minded zero sum world view greedy (mostly) white assholes THINK they lose something if minorities gain rights and access, but that is crap.  The contributions of more educated people, more opportunity for those people to innovate, invent and create, and a more peaceful, stable and safe society benefit everyone.  They benefit people of color more than my white ass, but nonetheless.  We do not live in some weirdly constrained math problem.


I hope my sarcasm was evident.  I always go back to the Johnson quote about poor whites willing to empty their pockets to maintain institutionalized racism.
 
2021-01-18 10:00:09 AM  

Nadie_AZ: plecos: Nadie_AZ: He was a socialist and socialists were hated in this nation, whether they were black or any other color or gender.

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And nothing has changed in 56 years.

There is some hope. When Bernie Sanders ran in 2016, he was accused of being a socialists. "Well yeah" was his reply and he didn't try to change the subject or try to apologize. A lot of Americans accepted him and his economic and political views.


I don't disagree, but I want action, not words.  (not a slight on the Bern)
 
2021-01-18 10:00:17 AM  
It would've been fun to have message boards back then so that we could've seen all the folks talk about how his problem was just bad at messaging and should've considered better PR if he really wanted to help his point reach more people.
 
2021-01-18 10:00:44 AM  

Devolving_Spud: BizarreMan: It would be interesting to see what the demographics on that poll are.

This.


Well if he were alive today I think I could put a number on how many would hate him.  I'm guessing it's the same amount of people who will be very angry this Wednesday
 
2021-01-18 10:02:27 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: It would've been fun to have message boards back then so that we could've seen all the folks talk about how his problem was just bad at messaging and should've considered better PR if he really wanted to help his point reach more people.


Those same people who would also have done absolutely nothing to aid the civil rights movement, always moving the goalpost to explain why "King is doing it wrong"?

Thankfully no one like that exists anymore and everyone operates in good faith!
 
2021-01-18 10:02:43 AM  

plecos: Nadie_AZ: plecos: Nadie_AZ: He was a socialist and socialists were hated in this nation, whether they were black or any other color or gender.

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And nothing has changed in 56 years.

There is some hope. When Bernie Sanders ran in 2016, he was accused of being a socialists. "Well yeah" was his reply and he didn't try to change the subject or try to apologize. A lot of Americans accepted him and his economic and political views.

I don't disagree, but I want action, not words.  (not a slight on the Bern)


I understand and totally agree. Remember, the Left in this nation was destroyed by purges in the 50s and 60s (MLK Jr, anyone?). The Right has had a free run for over 40 years to build a base. It is going to take some time for the Left to develop one, but it is developing. Expect more actions like demonstrations, strikes and unionizing as time goes on.
 
2021-01-18 10:02:55 AM  
Took the Missouri Penitentary tour in Jefferson City one time.
When you get to James Earl Ray's cell they let you read the official story on the cell and ask any questions.
Our tour guide was a retired guard from the prison, and he was VERY clear that JER was HELPED in his escape, specifically for the reason of assassinating MLK.

He showed us all the levels of coordination it took for JER to escape, and explained that low level crooks don't have nearly enough mojo to pull that off without VIP help.

Evidently, conservatives in power DON'T  like black people getting other black people worked up.
Well, in 1967 at least.
 
2021-01-18 10:04:51 AM  
Considering there are still dumbfarks who "celebrate" James E. Ray Day here in 2021 she is not wrong to note that MLK was once hated by many for his refusal to back off on civil rights.

Much has changed since that time but obviously not enough.
 
2021-01-18 10:06:10 AM  
It's always amazing to me how many white people who barely made it out of high school suddenly become sociologists and can tell you what MLK really was all about.

And yet, these were the cartoons of the time.
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2021-01-18 10:08:47 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.


That's a good point. Until just a few years ago I assumed an overwhelming majority of Americans love our country. Trump--whose only consistent positions are self-dealing and racism--was elected by telling his people it's broken and "only I can fix it." Then there was a violent insurrection, a physical manifestation of the president's and a major political party's desire to scrap our "rule of law" (remember when that was a big deal?) altogether. Clearly that half of the country has only been paying lip service to their love of god and country all this time.
 
2021-01-18 10:08:55 AM  
Personally, one of the hardest things about the past four years I've had to grapple with is what coward I truly am.  Growing up I'd read stories about people like Dr. King and I'd think to myself "Well yeah!  I'd do that too!"
Finding out my country kept children in cages and sitting back and doing nothing about it has melted part of my soul and I've curled up into a ball and bawled about everything on more than one occasion.
I don't know where I'm going with this except he was a remarkable human being and when I found out about his marital issues it helped me realize that even flawed humans can do remarkable things.  So maybe there's hope for me yet.
 
2021-01-18 10:09:11 AM  
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"Martin Luther King, Jr., was simply more sensitive, and so more bitter, than the average Southern Negro, and hence unqualified as a litmus of the Southern Negro's discontent."

/Guy who was born on third base didn't want "those people" to get into the on-deck circle.
 
2021-01-18 10:11:43 AM  

silo123j: King wasn't wrong.

The people on the far right (my aunt is one of them) think that there is this cabal of Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris, and a host of other Democrats are communists in disguise and are ready to take down the country and enslave us all. It's mind boggling that they think this.

I actually got in an ill timed argument while thanking them for Xmas gifts they sent me. She was actually crying, scared for my children with "what is coming" and she said that everything in the media is wrong, and I am being duped and I am the one who is a sheep.

How do you argue with it?> I tried. I only spun myself up when I demanded this question be answered... "Did Obama take your guns?" He tried! "But did he actually take them?"

Denying COVID deaths, denying science. This is a woman who has a Master's degree in library science and she is so far down the rabbit hole I weep at the smart intelligent woman I lost from my life.


I am truly sorry for your loss. to me, librarians have eternally been the coolest of us all. it boggles the mind.
 
2021-01-18 10:12:22 AM  

talkertopc: Does that mean that the U.S. will have Trump day in the future?

(No it does not.)


I don't want him assassinated. Just imprisoned, after a looooooong truth and reconciliation trial where he's forced to sit and listen to the witnesses.
 
2021-01-18 10:13:05 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Everyone hated Nixon too, and not much has changed.


Which is why Nixon was assassinated.
 
2021-01-18 10:13:08 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Glockenspiel Hero: You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.

I remember quite a few of my Southern acquaintances referring to it as "n-word day".

Always made me sad to hear that. That people felt safe and brave enough to say that to me like I agreed with them or something.

We've come a long way and have so much further to go.


Oh, some of my Northern acquaintances also.
Racism is not geographically constrained. Or temporally. I hear it today.
 
2021-01-18 10:14:13 AM  

silo123j: King wasn't wrong.

The people on the far right (my aunt is one of them) think that there is this cabal of Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris, and a host of other Democrats are communists in disguise and are ready to take down the country and enslave us all. It's mind boggling that they think this.

I actually got in an ill timed argument while thanking them for Xmas gifts they sent me. She was actually crying, scared for my children with "what is coming" and she said that everything in the media is wrong, and I am being duped and I am the one who is a sheep.

How do you argue with it?> I tried. I only spun myself up when I demanded this question be answered... "Did Obama take your guns?" He tried! "But did he actually take them?"

Denying COVID deaths, denying science. This is a woman who has a Master's degree in library science and she is so far down the rabbit hole I weep at the smart intelligent woman I lost from my life.


Communism is just another dogwhistle at this point. It kind of always was. That's why that black and white picture of people holding up signs saying "Race mixing is communism" exists, but back then communism was a real threat and all the countries practicing it were authoritarian dictatorships. These people want an authoritarian dictatorship to protect them from communism and when you press them on what they think communism is, it's always letting gays marry and transgender people use a bathroom. Enrique Tarrio says taking down that BLM flag from a black church and burning it wasn't a hate crime cause he doesn't hate BLM for being a black organization, but a commie one.
 
2021-01-18 10:14:28 AM  

HighOnCraic: [Fark user image 789x460]

"Martin Luther King, Jr., was simply more sensitive, and so more bitter, than the average Southern Negro, and hence unqualified as a litmus of the Southern Negro's discontent."

/Guy who was born on third base didn't want "those people" to get into the on-deck circle.


His debate with James Baldwin is amazing. Baldwin towered over him with his logic and reason and Buckley had to "look upon Mr Baldwin as if he were a white person" in order to take him seriously. His words were so empty. I never understood why he was revered.

Elliot8654: It's always amazing to me how many white people who barely made it out of high school suddenly become sociologists and can tell you what MLK really was all about.


I acquiesce. I can never hope to know or understand. I can only hope to have an understanding and be an ally to tear the system down.
 
2021-01-18 10:17:17 AM  

HighOnCraic: [Fark user image image 789x460]

"Martin Luther King, Jr., was simply more sensitive, and so more bitter, than the average Southern Negro, and hence unqualified as a litmus of the Southern Negro's discontent."

/Guy who was born on third base didn't want "those people" to get into the on-deck circle.


Ah yes.  The guy who penned an editorial pretty much saying King was asking to get shot.
 
2021-01-18 10:17:20 AM  
Based on the polls, Trump is probably comparably hated now.  Does that mean in a few decades we will celebrate Trump Day?
 
2021-01-18 10:18:58 AM  
Yeah?  Take a poll right now, today.  You will find some 70 million people that are ready to shiat on his grave.  So, 1967 is just another day.

Seriously...  Here we are celebrating the legacy of Dr King, and what are we really celebrating?  If the last 4 years have shown us nothing else it's that, the things that Dr. King was fighting against are still here, still alive and well, and we have we not learned shiat.

The current situation is that we have 25,000 military guarding the legitimate government from the outgoing President's followers.  People were carried a Confederate flag through the capital.  People who were ready to start lynching Congress to get their way.

We really have nothing to celebrate right now.
 
2021-01-18 10:19:12 AM  

sleze: Based on the polls, Trump is probably comparably hated now.  Does that mean in a few decades we will celebrate Trump Day?


Garbage day is a regular occurrence but it's not celebrated.
 
2021-01-18 10:21:28 AM  

Elliot8654: It's always amazing to me how many white people who barely made it out of high school suddenly become sociologists and can tell you what MLK really was all about.

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History rhymes.
 
2021-01-18 10:23:02 AM  
I think few people understand today just how "radical" King's ideas seemed at the time. His vision of "black children and white children" playing together, holding hands, was one that was seen as completely out of touch with what most people wanted at the time, much less what they saw as possible.

Keep in mind that the state of Mississippi banned Sesame Street three years later for showing children of different races playing together.
 
2021-01-18 10:24:06 AM  

talkertopc: Does that mean that the U.S. will have Trump day in the future?

(No it does not.)


Traitors Day. Every February 30th. The day we remember Trump, Benedict Arnold, Aaron Burr, and the Confederacy.

One of the women who filled the role of Tokyo Rose was eventually convicted of treason. (Only the 7th person ever convicted of treason.) She served 20 years in prison but was eventually pardoned in 1976. Ironically, by Gerald Ford.
 
2021-01-18 10:24:13 AM  

phamwaa: NewportBarGuy: Glockenspiel Hero: You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.

I remember quite a few of my Southern acquaintances referring to it as "n-word day".

Always made me sad to hear that. That people felt safe and brave enough to say that to me like I agreed with them or something.

We've come a long way and have so much further to go.

Oh, some of my Northern acquaintances also.
Racism is not geographically constrained. Or temporally. I hear it today.


Absolutely agreed!!! Same level of racism here in the North, they just mask it better. Except at sporting events.
 
2021-01-18 10:32:56 AM  

rewind2846: "Was" one of the most hated men in this country? "Is", submitter. There are still plenty of people from my father's generation (and their children) that still wouldn't mind putting a bullet in him if he were around today. Ask them about "Black Lives Matter" and watch their reactions.


I was lectured to by a woman who thought that BLM were criminal - not like that nice MLK fellow.  Hindsight is always perfect. I have little doubt that she would have hated MLK back in the day just like she hates BLM now.

I saw a conservative FB friend use MLK as his profile pic this weekend while condemning BLM and anti-fa.  He used that MLK photo like a talisman to show he's not racist.  I guess MLK is now one of the "good" ones.
 
2021-01-18 10:38:18 AM  
Wonder where this tab's usual denizens who are more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice are to comment on how King would be happy by a Biden presidency were he alive today.
 
2021-01-18 10:39:49 AM  
Racism is alive and well. Just remember, most black people cannot trust a white person. There's good reason for that.
 
2021-01-18 10:40:28 AM  

Fart_Machine: sleze: Based on the polls, Trump is probably comparably hated now.  Does that mean in a few decades we will celebrate Trump Day?

Garbage day is a regular occurrence but it's not celebrated.


Speak for yourself.  Garbage day is a mini-holiday at our house. And don't get me started on bulk pick up day.
 
2021-01-18 10:43:05 AM  
It's galling to see Fascist hacks trying to claim MLK as a "conservative." The man was one stop short of a card carrying socialist. An actual socialist, not a "does not drink Fox Propaganda's Kool-Aid" socialist.
 
2021-01-18 10:43:13 AM  
I'm pretty sure most black families were in the US long before most white families.
 
2021-01-18 10:45:14 AM  

Nadie_AZ: HighOnCraic: [Fark user image 789x460]

"Martin Luther King, Jr., was simply more sensitive, and so more bitter, than the average Southern Negro, and hence unqualified as a litmus of the Southern Negro's discontent."

/Guy who was born on third base didn't want "those people" to get into the on-deck circle.

His debate with James Baldwin is amazing. Baldwin towered over him with his logic and reason and Buckley had to "look upon Mr Baldwin as if he were a white person" in order to take him seriously. His words were so empty. I never understood why he was revered.

Elliot8654: It's always amazing to me how many white people who barely made it out of high school suddenly become sociologists and can tell you what MLK really was all about.

I acquiesce. I can never hope to know or understand. I can only hope to have an understanding and be an ally to tear the system down.


I can't really "understand" fully either, as I am not from the time, place, race, or struggle that he went through.

But we can all be supporters and allies for the values. Equality, respect, and brotherhood.
 
2021-01-18 10:51:05 AM  

Fart_Machine: sleze: Based on the polls, Trump is probably comparably hated now.  Does that mean in a few decades we will celebrate Trump Day?

Garbage day is a regular occurrence but it's not celebrated.


We can tell who doesn't live with a three year old.
 
2021-01-18 10:52:13 AM  

jimjays: Glockenspiel Hero: You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.

That's a good point. Until just a few years ago I assumed an overwhelming majority of Americans love our country. Trump--whose only consistent positions are self-dealing and racism--was elected by telling his people it's broken and "only I can fix it." Then there was a violent insurrection, a physical manifestation of the president's and a major political party's desire to scrap our "rule of law" (remember when that was a big deal?) altogether. Clearly that half of the country has only been paying lip service to their love of god and country all this time.


To a person, they will all tell you they love their country and that's why they're fighting to save it, and they will be 100% serious about it.

The problem isn't that they don't "love their country". The problem is that their vision of their country is pretty different, and the things they're "saving" it from largely don't exist.
 
2021-01-18 10:54:12 AM  
If King were around today, he'd just be canceled on Twitter for his philandering.   Because everyone on Twitter is perfect.
 
2021-01-18 10:56:29 AM  

Marshmallow Jones: If King were around today, he'd just be canceled on Twitter for his philandering.   Because everyone on Twitter is perfect.


Were MLK alive today, he'd be accused of "purity tests" by the same white moderates he wrote about.
 
2021-01-18 11:00:44 AM  

talkertopc: Does that mean that the U.S. will have Trump day in the future?

(No it does not.)


Some ass kisser in a red state will likely suggest it.
 
2021-01-18 11:02:35 AM  

Fart_Machine: sleze: Based on the polls, Trump is probably comparably hated now.  Does that mean in a few decades we will celebrate Trump Day?

Garbage day is a regular occurrence but it's not celebrated.


You win the internet for the day!
 
2021-01-18 11:06:50 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Rapmaster2000: Everyone hated Nixon too, and not much has changed.

Which is why Nixon was assassinated.


Leading to the inauguration of Ford. Tragically, he was assassinated by wolves.
 
2021-01-18 11:08:02 AM  

EyeballKid: Marshmallow Jones: If King were around today, he'd just be canceled on Twitter for his philandering.   Because everyone on Twitter is perfect.

Were MLK alive today, he'd be accused of "purity tests" by the same white moderates he wrote about.


Stop deluding yourself.  He got on those people for saying that race issues should be dealt with later, that other issues have to come first.  Much like Fark's hard core left wingers, deal with the economics and everything else will just tickle down.  I notice that a majority of you guys were missing from the BLM threads.
 
2021-01-18 11:08:44 AM  
I grew up in a racist household hearing derisive comments about MLK Jr.

Since he was murdered before I was born, I had no context on him, but it always seemed wrong to me on some level. Nowadays I am judging them harshly.
 
2021-01-18 11:11:38 AM  
King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.
 
2021-01-18 11:14:42 AM  

EyeballKid: Wonder where this tab's usual denizens who are more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice are to comment on how King would be happy by a Biden presidency were he alive today.


I like to think that MLK Jr. was smart enough to realize that 'moderate' is preferable to 'fascist lunatic'.
 
2021-01-18 11:14:51 AM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


And here's a guy who only got as far as the "I have a dream" speech.  Welcome!  We were waiting for you.  🤣
 
2021-01-18 11:20:50 AM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives. The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


MLK was a far-left socialist, you jackoff. And he sure as shiat didn't mean that we could just flip a switch and become "colorblind"; we need to address the systemic racism which is, and always has been, protected by conservatives before that is possible.
 
2021-01-18 11:22:50 AM  

LordJiro: EyeballKid: Wonder where this tab's usual denizens who are more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice are to comment on how King would be happy by a Biden presidency were he alive today.

I like to think that MLK Jr. was smart enough to realize that 'moderate' is preferable to 'fascist lunatic'.


Ahhhhh, there's that tranquilizing drug of gradualism!
 
2021-01-18 11:30:40 AM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


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Yep....all those conservative Socialists....
 
2021-01-18 11:32:06 AM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: It's galling to see Fascist hacks trying to claim MLK as a "conservative." The man was one stop short of a card carrying socialist. An actual socialist, not a "does not drink Fox Propaganda's Kool-Aid" socialist.


Let's not forget that the FBI called him the greatest threat to our nation and relentlessly hounded him.
 
2021-01-18 11:48:04 AM  
The government hated that he called for racial justice. They really hated that he called for economic justice.
 
2021-01-18 11:49:42 AM  

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2021-01-18 11:56:58 AM  
Dr. Martin Luthor King, Jr. made his "I Have a Dream Speech," at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.  Somehow, cons who want to co-opt Dr. King always forget the "Jobs" part of the March on Washington.
 
2021-01-18 11:59:22 AM  

Latinwolf: EyeballKid: Marshmallow Jones: If King were around today, he'd just be canceled on Twitter for his philandering.   Because everyone on Twitter is perfect.

Were MLK alive today, he'd be accused of "purity tests" by the same white moderates he wrote about.

Stop deluding yourself.  He got on those people for saying that race issues should be dealt with later, that other issues have to come first.  Much like Fark's hard core left wingers, deal with the economics and everything else will just tickle down.  I notice that a majority of you guys were missing from the BLM threads.


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"Although Phillips praises the 'Obama model,' he ignores that Obama's approach was an inclusive one that promoted a populist, anti-establishment economic message. Recall Obama's 2008 remarks to the AFL-CIO, during which he sounded an awful lot like a certain senator from Vermont: 'For far too long, through both Democratic and Republican administrations, the system has been rigged against everyday Americans by the lobbyists that Wall Street uses to get its way.'

Four years later, the 2012 presidential race was defined by the tension between the 1 percent, represented by Mitt Romney, infamous for characterizing 47 percent of Americans as 'dependent' and 'entitled' 'victims who who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them,' and Obama, who came to symbolize the interests of the '99 percent' and the Occupy Wall Street movement - even if he inadequately represented its interests. Remember that Obama burst onto the political scene with a 2004 convention speech that emphasized racial identity (e.g., a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas) while also highlighting a unifying national identity that rejected the notion of 'red' and 'blue' states.

Nothing in Phillips's assessment of the 'Obama model' reflects this more complete understanding of how Obama actually won. Obama didn't choose identity over economic justice. He emphasized both. And he won. Twice."
 
2021-01-18 12:03:21 PM  

born_yesterday: Drank_the_40_water: born_yesterday: But when can we have an honest discussion of how we benefit when we deny minorities their rights?

We don't.  Small minded zero sum world view greedy (mostly) white assholes THINK they lose something if minorities gain rights and access, but that is crap.  The contributions of more educated people, more opportunity for those people to innovate, invent and create, and a more peaceful, stable and safe society benefit everyone.  They benefit people of color more than my white ass, but nonetheless.  We do not live in some weirdly constrained math problem.

I hope my sarcasm was evident.  I always go back to the Johnson quote about poor whites willing to empty their pockets to maintain institutionalized racism.


No, my sarcasm meter is really unreliable these days, but I did not actually think you meant any such thing. Should have lead with that.
Just get so damn tired of people who do, and wanted to rant some.

Take for example how we fund schools. Loads of mostly well intentioned people who think that keeping our grossly unjust hyper local funding in place is uncomfortable but ultimately OK because they are just looking out for their kids and doesn't everyone want the best for their kids?

But if your crotch fruit had 80% of the resource advantages but were going to graduate into a vastly stronger economy, they'd be better off. Educating everyone and opportunity for everyone is an investment in a better future with huge benefits to all even if your kids school had to put off remodeling the weight room for a few years and sell cookies to pay for uniforms. Etc.

The poor whites quote is definitely a truism, but I think about the quote about the greatest stumbling block in the stride to freedom is not the trumper, but the white moderate... The zero sum driven racism of the white moderate, so to speak, that is a part of how we got here.

I know business owners who voted for the marmalade Mugabe, because they benefit from the deregulation and tax cuts, and while they know and decry the insanity of the trump movement, they are still gonna get theirs.
 
2021-01-18 12:14:22 PM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


I bet your friends call you the "smart one".
 
2021-01-18 12:23:33 PM  
What bothers me more is less the fact that people forget HOW much MLK had fight to get where he did but HOW MUCH pushback he got.

I swear EVERY casually racist white women I've EVER met ALWAYS name drops him like he's the second coming of Christ when criticizing BLM. "But MLK was non-violent..." And he was farking shot! They always ignore that part. They focus on his method and not his logic.

I had to chew one of these out at a protest back in the summer. "I wish they didn't swear..." Lady, you are whiter than Cornel Sanders and twice as fat, you got zero standing to be saying shiat how people protest. Either support it or go back to Grey's Anatomy and talking about Judy in Accounting behind her back.
 
2021-01-18 12:23:41 PM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


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LordJiro: MLK was a far-left socialist, you jackoff. And he sure as shiat didn't mean that we could just flip a switch and become "colorblind"; we need to address the systemic racism which is, and always has been, protected by conservatives before that is possible


and armed. When they knew they were protesting against law enforcement, civil rights leaders came unarmed. When they were organizing, we're talking about armed men watching country roads at night to guard leaders. Houses turned into veritable fortresses.

One black farker put it best. Democrats need to come out in favor of the right to self defense. Too kany guns in the wrong hands already. Had it not been for armed resistance, the civil rights movement would've been more hindered.

"We will shoot back" is one hell of a read.
 
2021-01-18 12:34:32 PM  

wildsnowllama: Personally, one of the hardest things about the past four years I've had to grapple with is what coward I truly am.  Growing up I'd read stories about people like Dr. King and I'd think to myself "Well yeah!  I'd do that too!"
Finding out my country kept children in cages and sitting back and doing nothing about it has melted part of my soul and I've curled up into a ball and bawled about everything on more than one occasion.
I don't know where I'm going with this except he was a remarkable human being and when I found out about his marital issues it helped me realize that even flawed humans can do remarkable things.  So maybe there's hope for me yet.


Greatness is not just a matter of character. It takes the conflux of good character, combined with the understanding of what you can do to help, and the opportunity to apply it to create a "great" person. Just like getting rich.

Sadly, opportunity, then training, then character is the order that matters most. That's why conservatives are so opposed to democratizing opportunity, and why they hate education. They know in a fair competition their lack of character will cost them.

That's why "socialist" ideas are so critical, if we broaden economic opportunity, removing the constant threat of starvation and homelessness for the average person, we will see a flowering of human potential that hasn't been seen since the post-war world or the Renaissance.

I firmly believe in the character of the average person, but our system crushes opportunity for an individual to express that character beyond the hearth and home. For one, people below a certain income spend almost all their awake time working to make ends meet. Charity, political involvement, activism all require time and energy people working all the time do not have. For another the oligarchs manipulate propaganda to spew a steady stream of bullshiat and disinformation to overcomplicate things, to obfuscate their perfidy, to make even reading the news of the day an exercise in deep thought to parse the true from the false.
 
2021-01-18 12:38:21 PM  
Here's a document that chronicles what white people thought about MLK and civil rights movement as it was happening. It was put together by Mariame Kaba and provides great context for how white-washed MLK's legacy has become. https://tinyurl.com/whiteshat​eprotests

She's a great follow on Twitter, @prisonculture.
 
2021-01-18 12:43:17 PM  

EyeballKid: LordJiro: EyeballKid: Wonder where this tab's usual denizens who are more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice are to comment on how King would be happy by a Biden presidency were he alive today.

I like to think that MLK Jr. was smart enough to realize that 'moderate' is preferable to 'fascist lunatic'.

Ahhhhh, there's that tranquilizing drug of gradualism!


I would have preferred Bernie, or even Warren, had I had the chance to vote for either of them.  I would also prefer that the poorer classes organize against the oligarchs; form unions, keep protesting, pull off a general strike, the whole works, because voting is only one tool in the toolbox and the others are, unfortunately, getting a little rusty.

People treating others like farking Trump supporters because they're hesitant to tear down someone who hasn't even done anything as President yet just because they don't completely conform to their politics isn't helping anyone.
 
2021-01-18 12:52:29 PM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


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2021-01-18 12:58:19 PM  

LordJiro: People treating others like farking Trump supporters because they're hesitant to tear down someone who hasn't even done anything as President yet just because they don't completely conform to their politics isn't helping anyone.


I wouldn't call moderates Trump  supporters, per se; more like Trump enablers.

For example, who made all those concentration camps that Trump wound up sticking so many kids in?
 
2021-01-18 1:32:27 PM  

BizarreMan: I do not doubt that there were many white Americans who hated him because they were racist scum.
There were possibly many black Americans who hated him because they feared the backlash from the racist scum.

It would be interesting to see what the demographics on that poll are.


All white I'd wager.
 
2021-01-18 1:39:43 PM  

silo123j: King wasn't wrong.

The people on the far right (my aunt is one of them) think that there is this cabal of Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris, and a host of other Democrats are communists in disguise and are ready to take down the country and enslave us all. It's mind boggling that they think this.

I actually got in an ill timed argument while thanking them for Xmas gifts they sent me. She was actually crying, scared for my children with "what is coming" and she said that everything in the media is wrong, and I am being duped and I am the one who is a sheep.

How do you argue with it?> I tried. I only spun myself up when I demanded this question be answered... "Did Obama take your guns?" He tried! "But did he actually take them?"

Denying COVID deaths, denying science. This is a woman who has a Master's degree in library science and she is so far down the rabbit hole I weep at the smart intelligent woman I lost from my life.


A large portion of our country are slaves to communism. I can't afford to miss a day of work. That's what is preposterous about the claim that we'd be enslaved by Social Democracy.

Let's keep up corporate welfare instead of uplifting our population.
 
2021-01-18 1:40:51 PM  

Mr. skaw: silo123j: King wasn't wrong.

The people on the far right (my aunt is one of them) think that there is this cabal of Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris, and a host of other Democrats are communists in disguise and are ready to take down the country and enslave us all. It's mind boggling that they think this.

I actually got in an ill timed argument while thanking them for Xmas gifts they sent me. She was actually crying, scared for my children with "what is coming" and she said that everything in the media is wrong, and I am being duped and I am the one who is a sheep.

How do you argue with it?> I tried. I only spun myself up when I demanded this question be answered... "Did Obama take your guns?" He tried! "But did he actually take them?"

Denying COVID deaths, denying science. This is a woman who has a Master's degree in library science and she is so far down the rabbit hole I weep at the smart intelligent woman I lost from my life.

A large portion of our country are slaves to communism. I can't afford to miss a day of work. That's what is preposterous about the claim that we'd be enslaved by Social Democracy.

Let's keep up corporate welfare instead of uplifting our population.


NOT communism damnit. CAPITALISM.

Proofreading is good.
 
2021-01-18 2:14:02 PM  

Animatronik: King still hated by many radical leftists today, who despise his visions of equal opportunity for all, a colorblind world, and Christian redemption.  The people whk admire MLK today for what he actually said and did are now viewed as conservatives.  The idea that racial identity should not be a dominant, determinative factor in every part of our culture and daily life is anathema to them.


Other posters have already exposed you for the lair you are.

I just wanted to add that whether you do this crap out of ignorance or some perverse joy derived from trolling, you should be ashamed of yourself. Please. I implore you. Be a better person.
 
2021-01-18 4:24:39 PM  

Capt_Clown: What bothers me more is less the fact that people forget HOW much MLK had fight to get where he did but HOW MUCH pushback he got.

I swear EVERY casually racist white women I've EVER met ALWAYS name drops him like he's the second coming of Christ when criticizing BLM. "But MLK was non-violent..." And he was farking shot! They always ignore that part. They focus on his method and not his logic.

I had to chew one of these out at a protest back in the summer. "I wish they didn't swear..." Lady, you are whiter than Cornel Sanders and twice as fat, you got zero standing to be saying shiat how people protest. Either support it or go back to Grey's Anatomy and talking about Judy in Accounting behind her back.


Even before the advent of social media, there was a concerted effort to whitewash MLK Jr. into the Will Smith of the Civil Rights movement. I first started noticing it in the early 90s, when teenagers started wearing "X' caps and the movie about Malcolm X was about to come out.

The effort wasn't so much to elevate MLK, but to criticize Malcolm because "did he have to be so angry about it?"

Never mind that lots of people in the 1960s, including J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, didn't really care about the stylistic differences between the two.
 
2021-01-19 12:42:33 AM  
To shoot a final hole in the "MLK would totally be BFFs with conservatives" bullshiat, a reminder that he advocated for free housing, a minimum wage high enough to guarantee a comfortable lifestyle, and a basic income even for those who can't/won't work.

https://twitter.com/ClintSmithIII/sta​t​us/1351226591070855168
 
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