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2021-01-18 9:13:44 AM  
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2021-01-18 9:23:32 AM  
I do not doubt that there were many white Americans who hated him because they were racist scum.
There were possibly many black Americans who hated him because they feared the backlash from the racist scum.

It would be interesting to see what the demographics on that poll are.
 
2021-01-18 9:25:49 AM  

BizarreMan: It would be interesting to see what the demographics on that poll are.


This.
 
2021-01-18 9:26:29 AM  
Yes he was. That's what makes what he accomplished with all of the people that followed him so much more impressive and inspiring.

We all know change comes slowly to this country. He showed what can happen when you hurry it up, and he paid the ultimate price for it.

If he had not done all that he did... we would all be worse off as people and as a country.

Thanks for everything Reverend.
 
2021-01-18 9:28:48 AM  
But when can we have an honest discussion of how we benefit when we deny minorities their rights?
 
2021-01-18 9:29:56 AM  
This link should be the Weeners to anyone who uses the phrase "Why can't they protest respectfully and peacefully like MLK?"  They didn't put a bullet in Kap's head for taking a knee.
 
2021-01-18 9:34:09 AM  
He was a socialist and socialists were hated in this nation, whether they were black or any other color or gender.

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2021-01-18 9:44:30 AM  
You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.
 
2021-01-18 9:51:31 AM  
Does that mean that the U.S. will have Trump day in the future?

(No it does not.)
 
2021-01-18 9:51:42 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.


I remember quite a few of my Southern acquaintances referring to it as "n-word day".

Always made me sad to hear that. That people felt safe and brave enough to say that to me like I agreed with them or something.

We've come a long way and have so much further to go.
 
2021-01-18 9:53:17 AM  
Everyone hated Nixon too, and not much has changed.
 
2021-01-18 9:53:53 AM  
"Was" one of the most hated men in this country? "Is", submitter. There are still plenty of people from my father's generation (and their children) that still wouldn't mind putting a bullet in him if he were around today. Ask them about "Black Lives Matter" and watch their reactions.
 
2021-01-18 9:55:11 AM  

Nadie_AZ: He was a socialist and socialists were hated in this nation, whether they were black or any other color or gender.

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And nothing has changed in 56 years.
 
2021-01-18 9:55:24 AM  
King wasn't wrong.

The people on the far right (my aunt is one of them) think that there is this cabal of Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris, and a host of other Democrats are communists in disguise and are ready to take down the country and enslave us all. It's mind boggling that they think this.

I actually got in an ill timed argument while thanking them for Xmas gifts they sent me. She was actually crying, scared for my children with "what is coming" and she said that everything in the media is wrong, and I am being duped and I am the one who is a sheep.

How do you argue with it?> I tried. I only spun myself up when I demanded this question be answered... "Did Obama take your guns?" He tried! "But did he actually take them?"

Denying COVID deaths, denying science. This is a woman who has a Master's degree in library science and she is so far down the rabbit hole I weep at the smart intelligent woman I lost from my life.
 
2021-01-18 9:56:28 AM  
The vast majority of USA citizens have a knee jerk reaction when hearing the work "Socialism"

I honestly believe that most of them couldn't even tell you what the word means, they are just conditioned to hate.

Puppets.
 
2021-01-18 9:56:51 AM  

born_yesterday: But when can we have an honest discussion of how we benefit when we deny minorities their rights?


We don't.  Small minded zero sum world view greedy (mostly) white assholes THINK they lose something if minorities gain rights and access, but that is crap.  The contributions of more educated people, more opportunity for those people to innovate, invent and create, and a more peaceful, stable and safe society benefit everyone.  They benefit people of color more than my white ass, but nonetheless.  We do not live in some weirdly constrained math problem.
 
2021-01-18 9:57:34 AM  

plecos: Nadie_AZ: He was a socialist and socialists were hated in this nation, whether they were black or any other color or gender.

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And nothing has changed in 56 years.


There is some hope. When Bernie Sanders ran in 2016, he was accused of being a socialists. "Well yeah" was his reply and he didn't try to change the subject or try to apologize. A lot of Americans accepted him and his economic and political views.
 
2021-01-18 9:59:03 AM  

rewind2846: "Was" one of the most hated men in this country? "Is", submitter. There are still plenty of people from my father's generation (and their children) that still wouldn't mind putting a bullet in him if he were around today. Ask them about "Black Lives Matter" and watch their reactions.


He's been reinvented by many of them as a conservative Republican because southern Democrats at the time were racists and a selective quote taken from the "I have a dream" speech they heard in High School.
 
2021-01-18 9:59:38 AM  

Drank_the_40_water: born_yesterday: But when can we have an honest discussion of how we benefit when we deny minorities their rights?

We don't.  Small minded zero sum world view greedy (mostly) white assholes THINK they lose something if minorities gain rights and access, but that is crap.  The contributions of more educated people, more opportunity for those people to innovate, invent and create, and a more peaceful, stable and safe society benefit everyone.  They benefit people of color more than my white ass, but nonetheless.  We do not live in some weirdly constrained math problem.


I hope my sarcasm was evident.  I always go back to the Johnson quote about poor whites willing to empty their pockets to maintain institutionalized racism.
 
2021-01-18 10:00:09 AM  

Nadie_AZ: plecos: Nadie_AZ: He was a socialist and socialists were hated in this nation, whether they were black or any other color or gender.

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And nothing has changed in 56 years.

There is some hope. When Bernie Sanders ran in 2016, he was accused of being a socialists. "Well yeah" was his reply and he didn't try to change the subject or try to apologize. A lot of Americans accepted him and his economic and political views.


I don't disagree, but I want action, not words.  (not a slight on the Bern)
 
2021-01-18 10:00:17 AM  
It would've been fun to have message boards back then so that we could've seen all the folks talk about how his problem was just bad at messaging and should've considered better PR if he really wanted to help his point reach more people.
 
2021-01-18 10:00:44 AM  

Devolving_Spud: BizarreMan: It would be interesting to see what the demographics on that poll are.

This.


Well if he were alive today I think I could put a number on how many would hate him.  I'm guessing it's the same amount of people who will be very angry this Wednesday
 
2021-01-18 10:02:27 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: It would've been fun to have message boards back then so that we could've seen all the folks talk about how his problem was just bad at messaging and should've considered better PR if he really wanted to help his point reach more people.


Those same people who would also have done absolutely nothing to aid the civil rights movement, always moving the goalpost to explain why "King is doing it wrong"?

Thankfully no one like that exists anymore and everyone operates in good faith!
 
2021-01-18 10:02:43 AM  

plecos: Nadie_AZ: plecos: Nadie_AZ: He was a socialist and socialists were hated in this nation, whether they were black or any other color or gender.

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And nothing has changed in 56 years.

There is some hope. When Bernie Sanders ran in 2016, he was accused of being a socialists. "Well yeah" was his reply and he didn't try to change the subject or try to apologize. A lot of Americans accepted him and his economic and political views.

I don't disagree, but I want action, not words.  (not a slight on the Bern)


I understand and totally agree. Remember, the Left in this nation was destroyed by purges in the 50s and 60s (MLK Jr, anyone?). The Right has had a free run for over 40 years to build a base. It is going to take some time for the Left to develop one, but it is developing. Expect more actions like demonstrations, strikes and unionizing as time goes on.
 
2021-01-18 10:02:55 AM  
Took the Missouri Penitentary tour in Jefferson City one time.
When you get to James Earl Ray's cell they let you read the official story on the cell and ask any questions.
Our tour guide was a retired guard from the prison, and he was VERY clear that JER was HELPED in his escape, specifically for the reason of assassinating MLK.

He showed us all the levels of coordination it took for JER to escape, and explained that low level crooks don't have nearly enough mojo to pull that off without VIP help.

Evidently, conservatives in power DON'T  like black people getting other black people worked up.
Well, in 1967 at least.
 
2021-01-18 10:04:51 AM  
Considering there are still dumbfarks who "celebrate" James E. Ray Day here in 2021 she is not wrong to note that MLK was once hated by many for his refusal to back off on civil rights.

Much has changed since that time but obviously not enough.
 
2021-01-18 10:06:10 AM  
It's always amazing to me how many white people who barely made it out of high school suddenly become sociologists and can tell you what MLK really was all about.

And yet, these were the cartoons of the time.
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2021-01-18 10:08:47 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.


That's a good point. Until just a few years ago I assumed an overwhelming majority of Americans love our country. Trump--whose only consistent positions are self-dealing and racism--was elected by telling his people it's broken and "only I can fix it." Then there was a violent insurrection, a physical manifestation of the president's and a major political party's desire to scrap our "rule of law" (remember when that was a big deal?) altogether. Clearly that half of the country has only been paying lip service to their love of god and country all this time.
 
2021-01-18 10:08:55 AM  
Personally, one of the hardest things about the past four years I've had to grapple with is what coward I truly am.  Growing up I'd read stories about people like Dr. King and I'd think to myself "Well yeah!  I'd do that too!"
Finding out my country kept children in cages and sitting back and doing nothing about it has melted part of my soul and I've curled up into a ball and bawled about everything on more than one occasion.
I don't know where I'm going with this except he was a remarkable human being and when I found out about his marital issues it helped me realize that even flawed humans can do remarkable things.  So maybe there's hope for me yet.
 
2021-01-18 10:09:11 AM  
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"Martin Luther King, Jr., was simply more sensitive, and so more bitter, than the average Southern Negro, and hence unqualified as a litmus of the Southern Negro's discontent."

/Guy who was born on third base didn't want "those people" to get into the on-deck circle.
 
2021-01-18 10:11:43 AM  

silo123j: King wasn't wrong.

The people on the far right (my aunt is one of them) think that there is this cabal of Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris, and a host of other Democrats are communists in disguise and are ready to take down the country and enslave us all. It's mind boggling that they think this.

I actually got in an ill timed argument while thanking them for Xmas gifts they sent me. She was actually crying, scared for my children with "what is coming" and she said that everything in the media is wrong, and I am being duped and I am the one who is a sheep.

How do you argue with it?> I tried. I only spun myself up when I demanded this question be answered... "Did Obama take your guns?" He tried! "But did he actually take them?"

Denying COVID deaths, denying science. This is a woman who has a Master's degree in library science and she is so far down the rabbit hole I weep at the smart intelligent woman I lost from my life.


I am truly sorry for your loss. to me, librarians have eternally been the coolest of us all. it boggles the mind.
 
2021-01-18 10:12:22 AM  

talkertopc: Does that mean that the U.S. will have Trump day in the future?

(No it does not.)


I don't want him assassinated. Just imprisoned, after a looooooong truth and reconciliation trial where he's forced to sit and listen to the witnesses.
 
2021-01-18 10:13:05 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Everyone hated Nixon too, and not much has changed.


Which is why Nixon was assassinated.
 
2021-01-18 10:13:08 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Glockenspiel Hero: You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.

I remember quite a few of my Southern acquaintances referring to it as "n-word day".

Always made me sad to hear that. That people felt safe and brave enough to say that to me like I agreed with them or something.

We've come a long way and have so much further to go.


Oh, some of my Northern acquaintances also.
Racism is not geographically constrained. Or temporally. I hear it today.
 
2021-01-18 10:14:13 AM  

silo123j: King wasn't wrong.

The people on the far right (my aunt is one of them) think that there is this cabal of Hillary, Obama, Biden, Harris, and a host of other Democrats are communists in disguise and are ready to take down the country and enslave us all. It's mind boggling that they think this.

I actually got in an ill timed argument while thanking them for Xmas gifts they sent me. She was actually crying, scared for my children with "what is coming" and she said that everything in the media is wrong, and I am being duped and I am the one who is a sheep.

How do you argue with it?> I tried. I only spun myself up when I demanded this question be answered... "Did Obama take your guns?" He tried! "But did he actually take them?"

Denying COVID deaths, denying science. This is a woman who has a Master's degree in library science and she is so far down the rabbit hole I weep at the smart intelligent woman I lost from my life.


Communism is just another dogwhistle at this point. It kind of always was. That's why that black and white picture of people holding up signs saying "Race mixing is communism" exists, but back then communism was a real threat and all the countries practicing it were authoritarian dictatorships. These people want an authoritarian dictatorship to protect them from communism and when you press them on what they think communism is, it's always letting gays marry and transgender people use a bathroom. Enrique Tarrio says taking down that BLM flag from a black church and burning it wasn't a hate crime cause he doesn't hate BLM for being a black organization, but a commie one.
 
2021-01-18 10:14:28 AM  

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"Martin Luther King, Jr., was simply more sensitive, and so more bitter, than the average Southern Negro, and hence unqualified as a litmus of the Southern Negro's discontent."

/Guy who was born on third base didn't want "those people" to get into the on-deck circle.


His debate with James Baldwin is amazing. Baldwin towered over him with his logic and reason and Buckley had to "look upon Mr Baldwin as if he were a white person" in order to take him seriously. His words were so empty. I never understood why he was revered.

Elliot8654: It's always amazing to me how many white people who barely made it out of high school suddenly become sociologists and can tell you what MLK really was all about.


I acquiesce. I can never hope to know or understand. I can only hope to have an understanding and be an ally to tear the system down.
 
2021-01-18 10:17:17 AM  

HighOnCraic: [Fark user image image 789x460]

"Martin Luther King, Jr., was simply more sensitive, and so more bitter, than the average Southern Negro, and hence unqualified as a litmus of the Southern Negro's discontent."

/Guy who was born on third base didn't want "those people" to get into the on-deck circle.


Ah yes.  The guy who penned an editorial pretty much saying King was asking to get shot.
 
2021-01-18 10:17:20 AM  
Based on the polls, Trump is probably comparably hated now.  Does that mean in a few decades we will celebrate Trump Day?
 
2021-01-18 10:18:58 AM  
Yeah?  Take a poll right now, today.  You will find some 70 million people that are ready to shiat on his grave.  So, 1967 is just another day.

Seriously...  Here we are celebrating the legacy of Dr King, and what are we really celebrating?  If the last 4 years have shown us nothing else it's that, the things that Dr. King was fighting against are still here, still alive and well, and we have we not learned shiat.

The current situation is that we have 25,000 military guarding the legitimate government from the outgoing President's followers.  People were carried a Confederate flag through the capital.  People who were ready to start lynching Congress to get their way.

We really have nothing to celebrate right now.
 
2021-01-18 10:19:12 AM  

sleze: Based on the polls, Trump is probably comparably hated now.  Does that mean in a few decades we will celebrate Trump Day?


Garbage day is a regular occurrence but it's not celebrated.
 
2021-01-18 10:21:28 AM  

Elliot8654: It's always amazing to me how many white people who barely made it out of high school suddenly become sociologists and can tell you what MLK really was all about.

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History rhymes.
 
2021-01-18 10:23:02 AM  
I think few people understand today just how "radical" King's ideas seemed at the time. His vision of "black children and white children" playing together, holding hands, was one that was seen as completely out of touch with what most people wanted at the time, much less what they saw as possible.

Keep in mind that the state of Mississippi banned Sesame Street three years later for showing children of different races playing together.
 
2021-01-18 10:24:06 AM  

talkertopc: Does that mean that the U.S. will have Trump day in the future?

(No it does not.)


Traitors Day. Every February 30th. The day we remember Trump, Benedict Arnold, Aaron Burr, and the Confederacy.

One of the women who filled the role of Tokyo Rose was eventually convicted of treason. (Only the 7th person ever convicted of treason.) She served 20 years in prison but was eventually pardoned in 1976. Ironically, by Gerald Ford.
 
2021-01-18 10:24:13 AM  

phamwaa: NewportBarGuy: Glockenspiel Hero: You're assuming that King is revered today. A reminder that to a good chunk of the South it's not MLK Day but Robert E. Lee day, and I suspect if you polling the folks in the Capitol on the 6th you'd get similar numbers.

I remember quite a few of my Southern acquaintances referring to it as "n-word day".

Always made me sad to hear that. That people felt safe and brave enough to say that to me like I agreed with them or something.

We've come a long way and have so much further to go.

Oh, some of my Northern acquaintances also.
Racism is not geographically constrained. Or temporally. I hear it today.


Absolutely agreed!!! Same level of racism here in the North, they just mask it better. Except at sporting events.
 
2021-01-18 10:32:56 AM  

rewind2846: "Was" one of the most hated men in this country? "Is", submitter. There are still plenty of people from my father's generation (and their children) that still wouldn't mind putting a bullet in him if he were around today. Ask them about "Black Lives Matter" and watch their reactions.


I was lectured to by a woman who thought that BLM were criminal - not like that nice MLK fellow.  Hindsight is always perfect. I have little doubt that she would have hated MLK back in the day just like she hates BLM now.

I saw a conservative FB friend use MLK as his profile pic this weekend while condemning BLM and anti-fa.  He used that MLK photo like a talisman to show he's not racist.  I guess MLK is now one of the "good" ones.
 
2021-01-18 10:38:18 AM  
Wonder where this tab's usual denizens who are more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice are to comment on how King would be happy by a Biden presidency were he alive today.
 
2021-01-18 10:39:49 AM  
Racism is alive and well. Just remember, most black people cannot trust a white person. There's good reason for that.
 
2021-01-18 10:40:28 AM  

Fart_Machine: sleze: Based on the polls, Trump is probably comparably hated now.  Does that mean in a few decades we will celebrate Trump Day?

Garbage day is a regular occurrence but it's not celebrated.


Speak for yourself.  Garbage day is a mini-holiday at our house. And don't get me started on bulk pick up day.
 
2021-01-18 10:43:05 AM  
It's galling to see Fascist hacks trying to claim MLK as a "conservative." The man was one stop short of a card carrying socialist. An actual socialist, not a "does not drink Fox Propaganda's Kool-Aid" socialist.
 
2021-01-18 10:43:13 AM  
I'm pretty sure most black families were in the US long before most white families.
 
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