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(Scientific American)   Forensic psychiatrist gives us advice on how to clean Qcumbers. It's not going to be easy   (scientificamerican.com) divider line
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2021-01-18 3:37:12 AM  
Thanks subby.  I needed an article to send to someone and you just saved me hours of digging for it.
 
2021-01-18 5:12:32 AM  
I've maintained this for some time - that the hard part will be what we will do with his followers after.    The fact that there are so many of them is staggering , and the lengths they will go to is now much more apparent.

I guess we.should be happy we.know how bad it is. But it doesn't make it any less difficult to deal with and live with.
 
2021-01-18 8:54:28 AM  
I was picking up food from a rural diner last summer when an obvious regular, 50yr old biker type was bemoaning how little respect Trump gets from the media blah, blah. The lady working the counter, a 45 year part time nurse calmly listen and uptalked Bernie Sanders college debt plan. To me it seemed like a nothing to lose angle that has some potential to flip some minds.
 
2021-01-18 8:54:56 AM  
Denazification and Re-education
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2021-01-18 8:56:33 AM  

require PDA: I've maintained this for some time - that the hard part will be what we will do with his followers after.    The fact that there are so many of them is staggering , and the lengths they will go to is now much more apparent.

I guess we.should be happy we.know how bad it is. But it doesn't make it any less difficult to deal with and live with.


How Germany Fights Nazis
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2021-01-18 9:18:16 AM  
The point she makes about what to do with his supporters and someone stepping in to fill the "Trump void" (so to speak) is a good one.

This book looks interesting.
 
2021-01-18 9:31:03 AM  

Pinnacle Point: I was picking up food from a rural diner last summer when an obvious regular, 50yr old biker type was bemoaning how little respect Trump gets from the media blah, blah. The lady working the counter, a 45 year part time nurse calmly listen and uptalked Bernie Sanders college debt plan. To me it seemed like a nothing to lose angle that has some potential to flip some minds.


How likely is it that a 50 year old biker had student debt?
 
2021-01-18 9:31:26 AM  
It won't?  Seems fairly straightforward.

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2021-01-18 9:31:32 AM  
Heh. I assumed Kool-Aid was involved..
 
2021-01-18 9:32:47 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: [YouTube video: Denazification and Re-education]


Using the word "re-education" is probably not helpful.
 
2021-01-18 9:33:50 AM  
*rtfa*

No mention of thirty years of GOP propaganda and rhetoric shaping this phenomenon?

Kind of makes the entire article pointless, tbh.

The psychological phenomenon at play here is interesting to note but its lack of a larger context makes it seem a little "forest for the trees" here.
 
2021-01-18 9:36:08 AM  

quatchi: *rtfa*

No mention of thirty years of GOP propaganda and rhetoric shaping this phenomenon?

Kind of makes the entire article pointless, tbh.

The psychological phenomenon at play here is interesting to note but its lack of a larger context makes it seem a little "forest for the trees" here.


Is it your belief that any discussion of lung cancer treatments should include a detailed history of smoking?
 
2021-01-18 9:36:12 AM  
Show your Trumper family members flat earth. It might not work on all of them, but it might create a few less Nazis.
 
2021-01-18 9:36:58 AM  
It's very simple really.

We offer them the opportunity to join reality or they get left behind.

If they choose the latter, they'll be pariahs for the rest of their lives, as it should be.
 
2021-01-18 9:37:19 AM  
Upside the head with a shovel.
/nothing of value was lost.
 
2021-01-18 9:37:53 AM  
Application of high-velocity amounts of lead to the cranial cavity works just fine.
 
2021-01-18 9:38:32 AM  

northgrave: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: [YouTube video: Denazification and Re-education]

Using the word "re-education" is probably not helpful.


Yeah. For sure. That's right up there with "Black Helicopters" "FEMA Camps" and "UN Soldiers on US soil" with these folks.
 
2021-01-18 9:39:12 AM  
And (3) fixing the socioeconomic conditions that give rise to poor collective mental health in the first place.

Socialism OOGA BOOGA BOOGA.
 
2021-01-18 9:39:37 AM  

quatchi: *rtfa*

No mention of thirty years of GOP propaganda and rhetoric shaping this phenomenon?

Kind of makes the entire article pointless, tbh.

The psychological phenomenon at play here is interesting to note but its lack of a larger context makes it seem a little "forest for the trees" here.


So true. Until we shut down the fire hose of BS that is Faux News, we'll be fighting an uphill battle. I don't think it's too much to ask that a network with NEWS in its name be required to give us verifiable facts instead of deliberate disinformation.
 
2021-01-18 9:39:51 AM  
Is recognition that QAnon has been incorporated into a Russian psyop anywhere in the article?  Because I'm getting tired of the 'people are stupid' navel-gazing being put forth by academia.
 
2021-01-18 9:40:13 AM  
Send them to Russia. Or NorK. Problem solved and vastly cheaper.
 
2021-01-18 9:41:15 AM  
Deprogramming them would be even harder than trying to deprogram someone from North Korea because they have willingly brainwashed themselves. There is no pervasive open air bull horns forcing them to listen. They willingly tune in eagerly for their daily mind f*cking. It allows them to CHOOSE to continue with it, so people don't feel they were forced into it, they feel it is a truth they discovered themselves. It relies on members to punish other members if they stray, without a visible and acknowledged hierarchy. America is an open air insane asylum. I'm not being hyperbolic, if you have the means get out.
 
2021-01-18 9:45:11 AM  
FTFA: Structural violence, or inequality, is the most potent stimulant of behavioral violence. And reducing inequality in all forms-economic, racial and gender-will help toward preventing violence.

Therein lies the problem. This crowd is a reaction to efforts to reduce that inequality. As a result, the white victimhood has become even worse.
 
2021-01-18 9:45:33 AM  
We could try getting them hooked on meth... Oh wait, nevermind
 
2021-01-18 9:45:47 AM  
So, (1) Republican policies help to create the socioeconomic conditions that foment the stress in people's lives, combined with a (2)right-wing propaganda network that provides the feedback for that socioeconomic stress.  Then, (3) a Trump shows up and takes advantage of that stress.

But remember, Democrats, it's you that need to work on healing and unity.

With a Democratic congressional majority, perhaps some of (1) can be dealt with, but I don't know that anything can be done about (2).  Perhaps once some of the economic stressors are relieved, the audience for (2) will drop.
[insert shruggie]
 
2021-01-18 9:47:56 AM  

BMFPitt: Pinnacle Point: I was picking up food from a rural diner last summer when an obvious regular, 50yr old biker type was bemoaning how little respect Trump gets from the media blah, blah. The lady working the counter, a 45 year part time nurse calmly listen and uptalked Bernie Sanders college debt plan. To me it seemed like a nothing to lose angle that has some potential to flip some minds.

How likely is it that a 50 year old biker had student debt?


Honestly 50/50.
 
2021-01-18 9:53:36 AM  
this thread never had a chance

/lotta that going around these days
 
2021-01-18 9:54:16 AM  

Russell_Secord: quatchi: *rtfa*

No mention of thirty years of GOP propaganda and rhetoric shaping this phenomenon?

Kind of makes the entire article pointless, tbh.

The psychological phenomenon at play here is interesting to note but its lack of a larger context makes it seem a little "forest for the trees" here.

So true. Until we shut down the fire hose of BS that is Faux News, we'll be fighting an uphill battle. I don't think it's too much to ask that a network with NEWS in its name be required to give us verifiable facts instead of deliberate disinformation.


That goes for One America News Network (OANN) as well.

We also need to ban the Sinclair "must-run" propaganda segments that are foisted upon the local news crews. NOONE needs to involuntarily hear what Seb Gorka has to say.
 
2021-01-18 9:55:16 AM  
It pisses me off to no end that, during a deadly pandemic that this country is nowhere near getting under control, and during a period of Ameican history where so many Americans are dealing with poverty, we have to expend resources to deal with this sh*t.
 
2021-01-18 9:55:27 AM  

northgrave: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: [YouTube video: Denazification and Re-education]

Using the word "re-education" is probably not helpful.


A fair point; you can't re-educate someone until they're educated in the first place...

=Smidge=
 
2021-01-18 9:55:31 AM  
The Biden / Harris administration will implement public option healthcare, do we will build a mental health treatment infrastructure that everyone in need can access.  They will eliminate private ownership of  weapons of war (assault rifles, shotguns and high capacity semi auto pistols) , so the violence will stop.  They will still need to legally address right wing hate speech on tv, radio and the internet to stop new radicalization.
 
2021-01-18 9:57:23 AM  

Pinnacle Point: BMFPitt: Pinnacle Point: I was picking up food from a rural diner last summer when an obvious regular, 50yr old biker type was bemoaning how little respect Trump gets from the media blah, blah. The lady working the counter, a 45 year part time nurse calmly listen and uptalked Bernie Sanders college debt plan. To me it seemed like a nothing to lose angle that has some potential to flip some minds.

How likely is it that a 50 year old biker had student debt?

Honestly 50/50.


Venn diagram of these guys and those holding U of Phoenix degrees is nearly a perfect circle.

/got muh "life experience" degree from Trump U
 
2021-01-18 10:00:09 AM  

BMFPitt: quatchi: *rtfa*

No mention of thirty years of GOP propaganda and rhetoric shaping this phenomenon?

Kind of makes the entire article pointless, tbh.

The psychological phenomenon at play here is interesting to note but its lack of a larger context makes it seem a little "forest for the trees" here.

Is it your belief that any discussion of lung cancer treatments should include a detailed history of smoking?


No. Its my opinion that swatting at wasps while ignoring the very existence of the hive is shortsighted and ultimately can only be ineffective.
 
2021-01-18 10:00:33 AM  

The Department of Inadvisably Applied Magic: It pisses me off to no end that, during a deadly pandemic that this country is nowhere near getting under control, and during a period of Ameican history where so many Americans are dealing with poverty, we have to expend resources to deal with this sh*t.


Welcome to the US that the intentionally poor and POC have been dealing with for some time now.

They weren't joking when they said "the struggle is real".
 
2021-01-18 10:00:51 AM  

MegaLib: The Biden / Harris administration will implement public option healthcare, do we will build a mental health treatment infrastructure that everyone in need can access.  They will eliminate private ownership of  weapons of war (assault rifles, shotguns and high capacity semi auto pistols) , so the violence will stop.  They will still need to legally address right wing hate speech on tv, radio and the internet to stop new radicalization.


Your shtick isn't fooling anyone. And you're not funny, like Mike or pocket.

Just stop.
 
2021-01-18 10:02:52 AM  

Pinnacle Point: Honestly 50/50.


So you think the Trump supporting biker is about 5 times more likely than others in his age group to have any student debt?

I'd maybe round up to 1%.
 
2021-01-18 10:04:02 AM  
The 'Shared Psychosis' of Donald Trump and His Loyalists

I mean, I've often joked that it's MPI (mass psychogenic illness) - but this isn't exactly akin to meowing-nuns or witch trials or dance-dance-plague-mania (well, maybe 2020 was, modulo actual-dancing) - this is tens of millions of people, spread out over vast distances.

but who knows - assuming in the first place that MPI is even real - the nuns (and other historical cases/incidents) did not have the intarwebs, so I'm sure the shrinks and analysts will have a good ol' time with this one for decades to come.
 
2021-01-18 10:05:44 AM  

I'm an Egyptian!: FTFA: Structural violence, or inequality, is the most potent stimulant of behavioral violence. And reducing inequality in all forms-economic, racial and gender-will help toward preventing violence.

Therein lies the problem. This crowd is a reaction to efforts to reduce that inequality. As a result, the white victimhood has become even worse.


That was pretty much my response to reading that.

Also, prosecution needs to happen not just to Trump, but to everyone who committed a crime... well, I was going to say "in his name", but fark that. People who commit crimes should be prosecuted, full stop: not just impoverished Trump followers, but also rich Trump followers and unaffiliated rich farks who do it of their own free will and all other combinations.

Point is that a solid slap on the ass is the only means by which some people learn. You can talk to the school bully all day about how punching little Susie made Susie very sad inside and all the bully learns is that what they're doing is working. (Trust me: my school operated on the "if you just reach out to the bullies and coddle them enough, they'll stop being bullies" mentality and it was Lord of the farking Flies. You do not want your nation to look like that.) Farking around must be followed by finding out--every time--because people who are mentally operating as animals must be given operant conditioning like animals... or, like dogs who were never trained not to shiat on the carpet, they will shiat on the carpet and be proud of it.

Frankly, I would expect a psychiatrist to know that.
 
2021-01-18 10:07:53 AM  

DeathBySarcasm: Is recognition that QAnon has been incorporated into a Russian psyop anywhere in the article?  Because I'm getting tired of the 'people are stupid' navel-gazing being put forth by academia.


Yeah man, pretending our fellow Americans are completely incapable of generating their own home grown lunacy and that it must be the evil rooskies is definitely not the kind of collective delusion discussed in the article.
 
2021-01-18 10:08:48 AM  

BMFPitt: Pinnacle Point: Honestly 50/50.

So you think the Trump supporting biker is about 5 times more likely than others in his age group to have any student debt?

I'd maybe round up to 1%.


His kids will want to go to college.
 
2021-01-18 10:13:40 AM  

another one of them: We also need to ban the Sinclair "must-run" propaganda segments that are foisted upon the local news crews. NOONE needs to involuntarily hear what Seb Gorka has to say.


Might not survive a challenge on first-amendment grounds. Plus I personally don't like the idea of setting a precedent where the government decides - in any capacity - what opinions/views people get to express.

I think a good tactic here may be forcing transparency; Require "must-run" stories and similar corporate edicts to preface the story with a disclosure of where the story comes from and whose opinion/view it represents, and the fact that it's required by contract to be presented. You have a right to express a viewpoint without fear of reprisal from the government, but IMHO you have no right to speak anonymously to avoid reprisal from the public, especially when you use the corporate equivalent of a sock puppet account to do so.

"The following story is brought to you by (owning company), [a subsidiary of (conglomerate)], and presented by (local affiliate) under terms of our contact."

The only question is how far that disclosure should go; since company ownership can be several layers deep, especially in media conglomerates, it may be necessary to disclose the entire chain of ownership. Sinclair seems to be the top of the food chain in that respect, at least.
=Smidge=
 
2021-01-18 10:16:20 AM  

DeathBySarcasm: Is recognition that QAnon has been incorporated into a Russian psyop anywhere in the article?  Because I'm getting tired of the 'people are stupid' navel-gazing being put forth by academia.


Victim of propaganda lectures on other victims of propaganda.
 
2021-01-18 10:16:21 AM  
It's ok with me if they suffer a lifetime of resentment and defeat, and then die angry about it.
 
2021-01-18 10:17:50 AM  
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2021-01-18 10:18:55 AM  
The word you are looking for is "deprogramming".

Like you do when you rescue someone from a cult.

Because that is what the Trump true believers are...a cult.
 
2021-01-18 10:19:04 AM  
From the article


"The leader, hungry for adulation to compensate for an inner lack of self-worth, projects grandiose omnipotence-while the followers, rendered needy by societal stress or developmental injury, yearn for a parental figure. When such wounded individuals are given positions of power, they arouse similar pathology in the population that creates a "lock and key" relationship "

Turned sideways, it would be very smart to make the savior/parent into a god and distance him from the mundane, practical world -- where a real person could do a lot of harm, crime and treason.

I'm beginning to guess that those behind the Christian church were unwittingly moving people who would be persuaded by a real dictator/father figure who would get them all killed or arrested -- to an ascendant untouchable figure who will "fill their needs" but not be a menace to society.   That's quite the hat trick.
 
2021-01-18 10:19:52 AM  

NM Volunteer: His kids will want to go to college.


And you think he'll want them to?
 
2021-01-18 10:25:49 AM  

Notabunny: It's ok with me if they suffer a lifetime of resentment and defeat, and then die angry about it.


plus, their god seems to enjoy extending that sort of stuff for multiple generations. I'm... ok with that?

/after all, it's god's will!
 
2021-01-18 10:31:42 AM  

zappaisfrank: The word you are looking for is "deprogramming".

Like you do when you rescue someone from a cult.

Because that is what the Trump true believers are...a cult.


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2021-01-18 10:35:10 AM  
People that hated ObamaCare love the ACA.

Republicans (IMO) are especially good at presenting unrealistic 'slippery slope' arguments.  I have yet to hear of gay marriage proponents wanting to marry their dog or forced shotgun gay weddings (improbable since one can't impregnate someone of the same sex).  The ACA's 'death panels' only came into existence because of Trump's active attacks on stopping the pandemic.

Change can be scary.  Marketing is key.  Biden wants to tax income over $400k, but R's insist that he's raising taxes for everyone.

[In fact, I believe the lower incomes will be paying more taxes starting this week because of language buried in Trump's plan.  Of course, R's will use that to blame Biden when it was their own landmine.]
 
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