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(ELLE)   23 of the nation's top political reporters sum up four years of covering The Apprentice President   (elle.com) divider line
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2094 clicks; posted to Politics » on 18 Jan 2021 at 9:10 AM (12 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-01-18 8:20:57 AM  
I got about a third of the way through this and decided I don't care. I'm not interested in what happened or why. I'm exhausted with it and just want to watch him leave. Of course, I'll look forward to watching his financial, legal and health issues. But rehashing him gleefully ruining things is no longer necessary. Enough. 

I think I might just read fiction for a year.
 
2021-01-18 8:29:23 AM  
I am curious how these reporters did not see Trump for what he was as 90% of the population did. Even the people voting for him said "we KNOW he has no foreign policy or military experience, we want someone who isn't tainted by those unimportant things in the highest office in the land". For them to say "where did we go wrong?" now is just ridiculous.
 
2021-01-18 9:14:19 AM  
48 months with your hair on fire.
 
2021-01-18 9:23:05 AM  
The press were more than willing to go along with this shiatshow from the beginning.
 
2021-01-18 9:25:12 AM  
Wait, wait... you're telling me trump was an idiot this whole time?
 
2021-01-18 9:25:45 AM  
Wow, lotta folk there but mostly its Maggie.

Liked this bit...

Tfa: " After that we had brunch. He got drunk on Bloody Marys; I ordered coffee..."

Rudy getting plastered on Bloody Mary's at brunch is classic Rudy.
 
2021-01-18 9:25:59 AM  
That was a tough read. I've forgotten so many of the isane events (or just tried to bury it all)
 
2021-01-18 9:29:03 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: I got about a third of the way through this and decided I don't care. I'm not interested in what happened or why. I'm exhausted with it and just want to watch him leave. Of course, I'll look forward to watching his financial, legal and health issues. But rehashing him gleefully ruining things is no longer necessary. Enough. 

I think I might just read fiction for a year.


I only got through the first paragraph.
 
2021-01-18 9:32:25 AM  
Maggie Haberman can fark all the way off.
 
2021-01-18 9:35:32 AM  
I think this was a great read and makes clear that these women were doing their best to impartially communicate how serious things were.
You can argue their success, sure.
I won't be.
 
2021-01-18 9:53:32 AM  
It's been exhausting, the point of people like Trump is they manage to trample over people by just wearing out their sense of hope that right will prevail, that there are counterbalancing forces in the universe.

We could have had some good come out of an 'outsider,' there are definitely things that need to be resolved in this country that exist outside the Republican/Democrat divide. But Trump was continually about parading his successes while shoving others' faces in the shiat, there was no concept of logrolling with someone that self-conscious.

Trump is candy-flavored poison, the absolute worst candidate to come along to reconcile  problems in the American identity that needed a much more capable President to navigate. It has been stated that a competent President would have lasted 8 years in these conditions. Trump was malignantly damaging, and hastened and turned back US leadership so much so that we are looking at a fractious, barely functioning, plague-riddled landscape as he turns it over to the next guy, truly the definition of leaving something worse than you found it.
 
2021-01-18 9:55:07 AM  
It's interesting how quickly the media can go from "They aren't lies, they're just mistruths" etc to "These are lies" once they're no longer carrying water for the administration to get "access."
 
2021-01-18 9:55:47 AM  
Four years of trying to maintain access to the Trump ratings machine

Four years of normalizing an incompetent moron who wasn't ever, even on his best day, even remotely presidential

Great work everyone
 
2021-01-18 10:15:42 AM  

snowybunting: I am curious how these reporters did not see Trump for what he was as 90% of the population did. Even the people voting for him said "we KNOW he has no foreign policy or military experience, we want someone who isn't tainted by those unimportant things in the highest office in the land". For them to say "where did we go wrong?" now is just ridiculous.


I hear ya, but the job of most of these people is to report what's going on, not to write opinion pieces.  I'm sure they wondered "where did we go wrong?" many, many times privately.
 
2021-01-18 10:17:11 AM  
'We breathlessly reported his racist, sexist, idiotic words for ratings; now we want to make you forget the first part of this statement.'
 
2021-01-18 10:22:51 AM  

Call the Guy: Four years of trying to maintain access to the Trump ratings machine

Four years of normalizing an incompetent moron who wasn't ever, even on his best day, even remotely presidential

Great work everyone


Pin Fiften Clob: It's interesting how quickly the media can go from "They aren't lies, they're just mistruths" etc to "These are lies" once they're no longer carrying water for the administration to get "access."


Will we get any introspective and contrite articles from the people who gushed over his various imaginary pivots toward being Presidential?
Will any of the reporters turn on their bosses to show how complicit the media was, as the nation's gaze was constantly following Trump's distractions instead of the horrors he was wreaking?
Will the profession of journalism use this as a teachable moment about the vital importance of a free, uncaptured press in democracy?

I wager one quatloo on "No" across the board.
 
2021-01-18 10:31:52 AM  
Thanks, subby. That was well worth my time.
 
2021-01-18 10:50:15 AM  
Oh well, I see my post was deleted for "Misogony".

I'm a victim of Poe's Law.
 
2021-01-18 10:57:11 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: I got about a third of the way through this and decided I don't care. I'm not interested in what happened or why. I'm exhausted with it and just want to watch him leave. Of course, I'll look forward to watching his financial, legal and health issues. But rehashing him gleefully ruining things is no longer necessary. Enough.


This!  As I've pointed out to friends repeatedly for the last 4 years: The 2016 election was note worthy in that both candidates had been in the public eye (one way or another) for decades. If you didn't know who they both were as people on day one... you hadn't been paying attention.  Yet I've had several people tell me they were surprised  by how Trump acted once he was in office... Really?  What did you THINK was going to happen?
 
2021-01-18 11:00:52 AM  

Lochsteppe: Call the Guy: Four years of trying to maintain access to the Trump ratings machine

Four years of normalizing an incompetent moron who wasn't ever, even on his best day, even remotely presidential

Great work everyone

Pin Fiften Clob: It's interesting how quickly the media can go from "They aren't lies, they're just mistruths" etc to "These are lies" once they're no longer carrying water for the administration to get "access."

Will we get any introspective and contrite articles from the people who gushed over his various imaginary pivots toward being Presidential?
Will any of the reporters turn on their bosses to show how complicit the media was, as the nation's gaze was constantly following Trump's distractions instead of the horrors he was wreaking?
Will the profession of journalism use this as a teachable moment about the vital importance of a free, uncaptured press in democracy?

I wager one quatloo on "No" across the board.


I vaguely remember a wave of navel gazing towards the end of the Dubya administration about such concerns.

Didn't take the very same people too long to pivot from 'we must tell the truth, even if it runs counter to the narrative' to 'the tea party is a genuine, spontaneous uprising by principled, serious citizens concerned about excessive spending'.
 
2021-01-18 11:28:45 AM  

snowybunting: I am curious how these reporters did not see Trump for what he was as 90% of the population did. Even the people voting for him said "we KNOW he has no foreign policy or military experience, we want someone who isn't tainted by those unimportant things in the highest office in the land". For them to say "where did we go wrong?" now is just ridiculous.


Political reporters are some of the stupidest people in the United States. What's worse is they're incredibly smug about it.
 
2021-01-18 11:59:58 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: snowybunting: I am curious how these reporters did not see Trump for what he was as 90% of the population did. Even the people voting for him said "we KNOW he has no foreign policy or military experience, we want someone who isn't tainted by those unimportant things in the highest office in the land". For them to say "where did we go wrong?" now is just ridiculous.

Political reporters are some of the stupidest people in the United States. What's worse is they're incredibly smug about it.


But they get to hang around all these important people and go to all the right parties, and reminisce with political and business elites about prep school.

Clearly, they're better than us. Why would you want them to jeopardize any of that? You monster.
 
2021-01-18 12:47:33 PM  
Meh, pretty much as usual, but we did use the words "controversial" and "false claims" a lot more often.

(sigh)
 
2021-01-18 3:09:39 PM  

Stopheles: Maggie Haberman can fark all the way off.


She is working for Jared and Ivanka now. Her mother never stopped. She is a partner at an image consultant firm that covers the slum lords crimes up.
 
2021-01-18 3:47:12 PM  
Emma Brown,The Washington Post investigative reporter & To Raise a Boy author:When we spoke, Dr. Ford did not want to go on the record. She thought she would get destroyed for coming forward and that it wouldn't make a difference. But we stayed in touch and when reporters started showing up at her home, she decided to go on the record with me.
...
When I was a new reporter at the Post, I sat near a fantastic male reporter who, on the phone, was aggressive and loud. I remember thinking, "Uh oh, I'm not like that. Does that mean that I can't do this job?" But one of my strengths is that I'm not intimidating. Whenever you talk to somebody with a sensitive story, they need to feel like they can trust you. The only reason I was able to break this story is because I gained Dr. Ford's trust."


This story right here is why media needs diversity - different approaches secure different stories. Not everyone needs to be loud and aggressive to get the story - different approaches work as well.

Diversity makes organisations function better as they bring a range of skills and outlooks to problems.
 
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