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(Al Jazeera)   Two Brazilian covid vaccines now available. Well that should be more than enough for everyone   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2021-01-17 6:10:33 PM  
9 votes:
Meanwhile Brazil trial finds efficacy of Sinovac vaccine at 50.4 percent.

Hasn't every other covid vaccine out there got a better result than that? Seems like a total waste of lab/factory space making that one.
 
2021-01-17 11:52:32 PM  
4 votes:

puffy999: My Brazilian jokes never get greenlit...



That's a lot of jokes.
 
2021-01-18 1:39:25 AM  
3 votes:
Sinovac? 50% effective
AstraZeneca 70% effective, but when we farked up during testing and gave half doses it was more effective, so try it and see what happens

Developing countries will get all the vaccine rejects. It helps, but...

On the other hand, some developed countries are doing their best to screw up vaccine distribution, so maybe it all works out.
 
2021-01-18 12:13:26 AM  
3 votes:

2fardownthread: ACKHUALLY..... This is a pretty classic case of comparative advantage. Even if someone invents a vaccine that is worse than all others in every way, it is STILL likely to be useful somehow because this is a global fight and a race against time.

The only vaccine that has been entirely rejected so far, I think, was the Australian one. It gave false positive results for HIV, so they had to chuck it for safety reasons.

I guess then, the criterion that will get your vaccine booted is safety. If you can show effectiveness of, say, 50%, which is not good admittedly, you STILL might be able to justify its production and distribution and administration if you can do them cheaply, reliably, quickly, and maybe with some room for improvement or development. Brazil might need its own vaccine simply for political reasons. Sad, but that is how some of the world works.

People get really hung up on something being THE BEST or THE FIRST. Especially for COVID19, those ships have already sailed. We need to continue work on the vaccines for THE REST of the world. This ain't over.



The Australian one had such a curious quirk, I wonder how many have similar quirks that are simply not tested for?
 
2021-01-18 12:01:18 AM  
3 votes:
Enh, subby. You're really reaching for that one. A good twist has to have some truth behind it. Neither of the vaccines are brazilian.

Boo. Hiss.
 
2021-01-17 11:46:34 PM  
3 votes:

2fardownthread: ACKHUALLY..... This is a pretty classic case of comparative advantage. Even if someone invents a vaccine that is worse than all others in every way, it is STILL likely to be useful somehow because this is a global fight and a race against time.

The only vaccine that has been entirely rejected so far, I think, was the Australian one. It gave false positive results for HIV, so they had to chuck it for safety reasons.

I guess then, the criterion that will get your vaccine booted is safety. If you can show effectiveness of, say, 50%, which is not good admittedly, you STILL might be able to justify its production and distribution and administration if you can do them cheaply, reliably, quickly, and maybe with some room for improvement or development. Brazil might need its own vaccine simply for political reasons. Sad, but that is how some of the world works.

People get really hung up on something being THE BEST or THE FIRST. Especially for COVID19, those ships have already sailed. We need to continue work on the vaccines for THE REST of the world. This ain't over.


A fair point (and on Fark, at that).  What gets me is the reports that the vaccines may not keep you from getting and transmitting the virus, but only keep you from getting sick.  If it doesn't prevent infection and transmission, it may be useful as a preventative treatment but it will do nothing to stop the pandemic.
 
2021-01-17 9:45:45 PM  
3 votes:
ACKHUALLY..... This is a pretty classic case of comparative advantage. Even if someone invents a vaccine that is worse than all others in every way, it is STILL likely to be useful somehow because this is a global fight and a race against time.

The only vaccine that has been entirely rejected so far, I think, was the Australian one. It gave false positive results for HIV, so they had to chuck it for safety reasons.

I guess then, the criterion that will get your vaccine booted is safety. If you can show effectiveness of, say, 50%, which is not good admittedly, you STILL might be able to justify its production and distribution and administration if you can do them cheaply, reliably, quickly, and maybe with some room for improvement or development. Brazil might need its own vaccine simply for political reasons. Sad, but that is how some of the world works.

People get really hung up on something being THE BEST or THE FIRST. Especially for COVID19, those ships have already sailed. We need to continue work on the vaccines for THE REST of the world. This ain't over.
 
2021-01-17 9:04:25 PM  
2 votes:

Ivo Shandor: Nidiot: Meanwhile Brazil trial finds efficacy of Sinovac vaccine at 50.4 percent.

Hasn't every other covid vaccine out there got a better result than that? Seems like a total waste of lab/factory space making that one.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health​-coronavirus-sinovac/explainer-whats-b​ehind-varying-efficacy-data-for-sinova​cs-covid-19-vaccine-idUSL4N2JO0UD

TL;DR: YMMV


"Experts say it is difficult to interpret the efficacy results as the full datasets are not out."

Still sounds like shiat so far.
 
2021-01-17 11:22:40 PM  
1 vote:
My Brazilian jokes never get greenlit...

I feel like the Liberty Mutual kid who got a bike.
 
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