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(Al Jazeera)   Two Brazilian covid vaccines now available. Well that should be more than enough for everyone   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2021-01-17 6:10:33 PM  
Meanwhile Brazil trial finds efficacy of Sinovac vaccine at 50.4 percent.

Hasn't every other covid vaccine out there got a better result than that? Seems like a total waste of lab/factory space making that one.
 
2021-01-17 7:27:08 PM  

Nidiot: Meanwhile Brazil trial finds efficacy of Sinovac vaccine at 50.4 percent.

Hasn't every other covid vaccine out there got a better result than that? Seems like a total waste of lab/factory space making that one.


https://www.reuters.com/article/healt​h​-coronavirus-sinovac/explainer-whats-b​ehind-varying-efficacy-data-for-sinova​cs-covid-19-vaccine-idUSL4N2JO0UD

TL;DR: YMMV
 
2021-01-17 9:04:25 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Nidiot: Meanwhile Brazil trial finds efficacy of Sinovac vaccine at 50.4 percent.

Hasn't every other covid vaccine out there got a better result than that? Seems like a total waste of lab/factory space making that one.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health​-coronavirus-sinovac/explainer-whats-b​ehind-varying-efficacy-data-for-sinova​cs-covid-19-vaccine-idUSL4N2JO0UD

TL;DR: YMMV


"Experts say it is difficult to interpret the efficacy results as the full datasets are not out."

Still sounds like shiat so far.
 
2021-01-17 9:45:45 PM  
ACKHUALLY..... This is a pretty classic case of comparative advantage. Even if someone invents a vaccine that is worse than all others in every way, it is STILL likely to be useful somehow because this is a global fight and a race against time.

The only vaccine that has been entirely rejected so far, I think, was the Australian one. It gave false positive results for HIV, so they had to chuck it for safety reasons.

I guess then, the criterion that will get your vaccine booted is safety. If you can show effectiveness of, say, 50%, which is not good admittedly, you STILL might be able to justify its production and distribution and administration if you can do them cheaply, reliably, quickly, and maybe with some room for improvement or development. Brazil might need its own vaccine simply for political reasons. Sad, but that is how some of the world works.

People get really hung up on something being THE BEST or THE FIRST. Especially for COVID19, those ships have already sailed. We need to continue work on the vaccines for THE REST of the world. This ain't over.
 
2021-01-17 10:54:31 PM  
I haven't looked into this vaccine much as it is not one coming to the US but I thought the Chinese one used a common virus a lot of people already had antibodies too.
 
2021-01-17 11:22:40 PM  
My Brazilian jokes never get greenlit...

I feel like the Liberty Mutual kid who got a bike.
 
2021-01-17 11:23:12 PM  
One thing we're guaranteed is a smooth roll out.
 
2021-01-17 11:26:13 PM  

Summoner101: One thing we're guaranteed is a smooth roll out.


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2021-01-17 11:46:34 PM  

2fardownthread: ACKHUALLY..... This is a pretty classic case of comparative advantage. Even if someone invents a vaccine that is worse than all others in every way, it is STILL likely to be useful somehow because this is a global fight and a race against time.

The only vaccine that has been entirely rejected so far, I think, was the Australian one. It gave false positive results for HIV, so they had to chuck it for safety reasons.

I guess then, the criterion that will get your vaccine booted is safety. If you can show effectiveness of, say, 50%, which is not good admittedly, you STILL might be able to justify its production and distribution and administration if you can do them cheaply, reliably, quickly, and maybe with some room for improvement or development. Brazil might need its own vaccine simply for political reasons. Sad, but that is how some of the world works.

People get really hung up on something being THE BEST or THE FIRST. Especially for COVID19, those ships have already sailed. We need to continue work on the vaccines for THE REST of the world. This ain't over.


A fair point (and on Fark, at that).  What gets me is the reports that the vaccines may not keep you from getting and transmitting the virus, but only keep you from getting sick.  If it doesn't prevent infection and transmission, it may be useful as a preventative treatment but it will do nothing to stop the pandemic.
 
2021-01-17 11:48:57 PM  
Not only do they provide protection from SARS-CoV-2, they depilate your junk. Without the hot wax and the ripping and screaming and so on.
 
2021-01-17 11:52:32 PM  

puffy999: My Brazilian jokes never get greenlit...



That's a lot of jokes.
 
2021-01-18 12:01:18 AM  
Enh, subby. You're really reaching for that one. A good twist has to have some truth behind it. Neither of the vaccines are brazilian.

Boo. Hiss.
 
2021-01-18 12:13:26 AM  

2fardownthread: ACKHUALLY..... This is a pretty classic case of comparative advantage. Even if someone invents a vaccine that is worse than all others in every way, it is STILL likely to be useful somehow because this is a global fight and a race against time.

The only vaccine that has been entirely rejected so far, I think, was the Australian one. It gave false positive results for HIV, so they had to chuck it for safety reasons.

I guess then, the criterion that will get your vaccine booted is safety. If you can show effectiveness of, say, 50%, which is not good admittedly, you STILL might be able to justify its production and distribution and administration if you can do them cheaply, reliably, quickly, and maybe with some room for improvement or development. Brazil might need its own vaccine simply for political reasons. Sad, but that is how some of the world works.

People get really hung up on something being THE BEST or THE FIRST. Especially for COVID19, those ships have already sailed. We need to continue work on the vaccines for THE REST of the world. This ain't over.



The Australian one had such a curious quirk, I wonder how many have similar quirks that are simply not tested for?
 
2021-01-18 12:32:04 AM  
Might be a close shave.
 
2021-01-18 12:33:12 AM  
I think we need about 8 Brazilian.
 
2021-01-18 12:49:22 AM  

Nidiot: Meanwhile Brazil trial finds efficacy of Sinovac vaccine at 50.4 percent.

Hasn't every other covid vaccine out there got a better result than that? Seems like a total waste of lab/factory space making that one.


They included a much larger sample of a smaller trial group, pfizer used less than 200 people out of the 40000, excluded 4000ish people that had symptoms for whatever reasons
 
2021-01-18 12:53:55 AM  
I'm dubious about Brazilians being effective against Covid. Crab lice? Sure. The facts certainly back that up. But for Covid?  It doesn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy.
 
2021-01-18 1:39:25 AM  
Sinovac? 50% effective
AstraZeneca 70% effective, but when we farked up during testing and gave half doses it was more effective, so try it and see what happens

Developing countries will get all the vaccine rejects. It helps, but...

On the other hand, some developed countries are doing their best to screw up vaccine distribution, so maybe it all works out.
 
2021-01-18 2:11:35 AM  

BafflerMeal: Enh, subby. You're really reaching for that one. A good twist has to have some truth behind it. Neither of the vaccines are brazilian.

Boo. Hiss.


Peel away the pun, and it's a bald lie.
 
2021-01-18 2:25:40 AM  

Nidiot: Meanwhile Brazil trial finds efficacy of Sinovac vaccine at 50.4 percent.

Hasn't every other covid vaccine out there got a better result than that? Seems like a total waste of lab/factory space making that one.


If they can convert that labspace to something more efficient, then do that.

Otherwise 50% is obviously better than nothing, especially as they're being overwhelmed right now.

I wonder at which point they realize that it'll only be 50% efficient though. Whatever, they need anything now.
 
2021-01-18 4:44:06 AM  

Nidiot: Meanwhile Brazil trial finds efficacy of Sinovac vaccine at 50.4 percent.

Hasn't every other covid vaccine out there got a better result than that? Seems like a total waste of lab/factory space making that one.


Well China put most of their money into engineering the virus, and forgot to leave enough for the vaccine. Basic mistake.
 
2021-01-18 5:01:26 PM  

2fardownthread: ACKHUALLY..... This is a pretty classic case of comparative advantage. Even if someone invents a vaccine that is worse than all others in every way, it is STILL likely to be useful somehow because this is a global fight and a race against time.

The only vaccine that has been entirely rejected so far, I think, was the Australian one. It gave false positive results for HIV, so they had to chuck it for safety reasons.

I guess then, the criterion that will get your vaccine booted is safety. If you can show effectiveness of, say, 50%, which is not good admittedly, you STILL might be able to justify its production and distribution and administration if you can do them cheaply, reliably, quickly, and maybe with some room for improvement or development. Brazil might need its own vaccine simply for political reasons. Sad, but that is how some of the world works.

People get really hung up on something being THE BEST or THE FIRST. Especially for COVID19, those ships have already sailed. We need to continue work on the vaccines for THE REST of the world. This ain't over.


Did they check to see if they actually just accidentally invented a vaccine for HIV?
 
2021-01-18 5:20:41 PM  

2fardownthread: People get really hung up on something being THE BEST or THE FIRST. Especially for COVID19, those ships have already sailed. We need to continue work on the vaccines for THE REST of the world. This ain't over.


You bet I want the vaccine that has the best protection. Even everyone else being vaccinated isn't going to do anything to protect me, given as per

Saturn5: the vaccines may not keep you from getting and transmitting the virus, but only keep you from getting sick.  If it doesn't prevent infection and transmission, it may be useful as a preventative treatment but it will do nothing to stop the pandemic.


It's nice and good saying don't worry if the vaccine is only 50% effective, if you are looking at this from a country that will get you one of the good vaccines. I'm in Australia, we're only getting 2 million Pfizer ones and a bunch of lesser quality ones. And I didn't regard Australia as a third world country. (Don't hold your breath waiting for them either.)

Since the hold up seems to be the ability to produce the vaccines in large enough quantities, don't waste valuable production space making some substandard product, devote all the production capacity to make something that will actually give people the most protection.
 
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