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2021-01-17 12:32:02 PM  
I'm sure someone will be thrilled.
 
2021-01-17 2:19:23 PM  
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2021-01-17 3:01:39 PM  
I actually watched the basic version last night for the first time.

I'm all-in for Marvel, but since we now have HBO Max through our ISP and they have most of the DCEU movies on there, I've been working my way through them.

My verdict for Justice League is that it's fine. There is nothing particularly good or bad about it. It is a movie. About as mediocre as it gets.

I have, however, revised my opinion that Aquaman is the most useless member of the Justice League. At least in this iteration, it's Batman. He does almost nothing other than talk.
 
2021-01-17 4:59:01 PM  

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Actually, we do now.
 
2021-01-17 5:05:14 PM  
There are some things in the DC section of HBOMax that I don't venture to. This is gonna be one of them.
 
2021-01-17 5:15:37 PM  
Well there's four hours that I'll be doing something else.
 
2021-01-17 5:16:06 PM  

Cafe Threads: Carter Pewterschmidt: [Fark user image image 600x328]

Actually, we do now.


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2021-01-17 5:18:24 PM  

Shostie: At least in this iteration, it's Batman. He does almost nothing other than talk.


Batman provides the transportation and hideout.
 
2021-01-17 5:26:24 PM  
I can't even remember the big bad's name, just that it sounded like what a 13 year old who listened to 80s metal, in the 80s, would come up with.  Oh and that he looked like he was wearing some rando's Obsidian Armor mod for Skyrim.

/WW84 was an unfortunate disappointment
//WW's first one was still by far their best foot forward
 
2021-01-17 5:33:21 PM  
As long as that sh*t is grim.  I mean, I want it to feel like a f*cking funeral.
 
2021-01-17 5:37:04 PM  
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2021-01-17 5:39:19 PM  
The Zack Snyder fanboys make the old Browncoats look good. Give it up, Zack isn't going to be able to polish this turd into the DCEU flagship you want.
 
2021-01-17 5:44:39 PM  
I expect it to be hilariously terrible, and I can't want to watch it because of that.
 
2021-01-17 5:49:31 PM  
Gonna be honest:  I don't think Zack Snyder is a bad director.  I like him a lot better than Jar Jar Abrams.

I do think Snyder doesn't know good writing from bad, and that he doesn't 'get' comics.  He's kind of a Tarantino -- he knows stuff that's cool, but he doesn't understand why it's cool.  So when he tries to do it, sometimes it comes out cool as Shaft On Ice, and sometimes it comes out as cool as Shaft Icecapades (Guest-Starring Badly Adapted Muppets).

Watch the Man Comes Around montage at the beginning of Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, and that will get you hyped for a zombie movie that unfortunately doesn't deliver.  Bits of Watchmen are great and eerily clever dead-on evocations of the comic, but he misunderstands half the characters and fails to adopt most of the sequences that were arranged and drawn specifically cinematically.  FFS.

Maybe he could do a Western, or something.

Also, for the love of God, someone tell Abrams he doesn't understand science fiction anymore than he understands something else he utterly, completely does not remotely understand.
 
2021-01-17 5:51:43 PM  
BLACK SCREEN for 24 HOURS
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Already leaked.
 
2021-01-17 5:51:52 PM  

RandomAxe: Gonna be honest:  I don't think Zack Snyder is a bad director.  I like him a lot better than Jar Jar Abrams.

I do think Snyder doesn't know good writing from bad, and that he doesn't 'get' comics.  He's kind of a Tarantino -- he knows stuff that's cool, but he doesn't understand why it's cool.  So when he tries to do it, sometimes it comes out cool as Shaft On Ice, and sometimes it comes out as cool as Shaft Icecapades (Guest-Starring Badly Adapted Muppets).

Watch the Man Comes Around montage at the beginning of Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, and that will get you hyped for a zombie movie that unfortunately doesn't deliver.  Bits of Watchmen are great and eerily clever dead-on evocations of the comic, but he misunderstands half the characters and fails to adopt most of the sequences that were arranged and drawn specifically cinematically.  FFS.

Maybe he could do a Western, or something.

Also, for the love of God, someone tell Abrams he doesn't understand science fiction anymore than he understands something else he utterly, completely does not remotely understand.


Snyder excels at putting together what amounts to a series of correlated vignettes which loosely form a plot. He wants spectacle. His style lends well to superlative writing (See: 300), but if any sort of nuance in character is wanted, he's a bit counterproductive.
 
2021-01-17 5:53:57 PM  

rummonkey: The Zack Snyder fanboys make the old Browncoats look good. Give it up, Zack isn't going to be able to polish this turd into the DCEU flagship you want.


Yes, but you're forgetting the oft neglected corollary, "You can't polish a turd, but you CAN buff it to a nice, velvety sheen".
 
2021-01-17 5:54:56 PM  

Leishu: I expect it to be hilariously terrible, and I can't want to watch it because of that.


There is that possibility. Batman v Superman is terrible, but it's hilariously terrible in its wrongheadedness. Justice League was just boring and terrible, and I'd forgotten most of it before the credits started rolling. Like, I know Superman comes back and fixes everything, but I've got no memory of how. Probably punched some CGI character really hard or whatever.
 
2021-01-17 6:01:39 PM  

Leishu: RandomAxe: Gonna be honest:  I don't think Zack Snyder is a bad director.  I like him a lot better than Jar Jar Abrams.

I do think Snyder doesn't know good writing from bad, and that he doesn't 'get' comics.  He's kind of a Tarantino -- he knows stuff that's cool, but he doesn't understand why it's cool.  So when he tries to do it, sometimes it comes out cool as Shaft On Ice, and sometimes it comes out as cool as Shaft Icecapades (Guest-Starring Badly Adapted Muppets).

Watch the Man Comes Around montage at the beginning of Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, and that will get you hyped for a zombie movie that unfortunately doesn't deliver.  Bits of Watchmen are great and eerily clever dead-on evocations of the comic, but he misunderstands half the characters and fails to adopt most of the sequences that were arranged and drawn specifically cinematically.  FFS.

Maybe he could do a Western, or something.

Also, for the love of God, someone tell Abrams he doesn't understand science fiction anymore than he understands something else he utterly, completely does not remotely understand.

Snyder excels at putting together what amounts to a series of correlated vignettes which loosely form a plot. He wants spectacle. His style lends well to superlative writing (See: 300), but if any sort of nuance in character is wanted, he's a bit counterproductive.


He's good at framing over-the-top action scenes, so long as you're not bothered by his cheap reliance on slow-mo at odd moments. But with his dark, hyper-violent sensibilities, he should have stuck with the horror genre. He was a bizarre choice for the campy, optimistic world that every not-Batman DC hero inhabits.
 
2021-01-17 6:02:06 PM  

foo monkey: Shostie: At least in this iteration, it's Batman. He does almost nothing other than talk.

Batman provides the transportation and hideout.


True. But when it comes to actually doing things, he gets tossed around like a rag doll while Diana and Arthur rough sh*t up.

They have that big fight with CGI Lip Superman and after it's over Batman is running up all winded and sh*t.
 
2021-01-17 6:09:52 PM  
You guys are way too into this stuff. It's a movie based on comic book super heroes. None of these movies, regardless of universe, are going to be winning awards at film festivals.

Just sit back and be entertained for a few hours. Quit demanding they make movies exactly how you remember things happening from when you read the comics as a child. Every person who read those comic books is going to have differing emotional responses. Just let them make a stupid super hero comic book movie and stfu.

Here's the thing and im gonna tell ya. It's just entertainment. They don't make these movies for any other reason than to make a profit. They don't care about your favorite character or anything else as long as they make money. So don't expect a movie to be true to it's source when that source is thousands of comic books written by dozens of different authors. It can't be done in a movie, they have to pick and choose what they want to use from all of those stories. They choose what they think will make the story the best and in turn make them the most money.

They aren't releasing this cut of the movie because people demanded it. They are releasing this cut of the movie because enough people demanded it that it became possible for them to make a good nut off of it again a few years after it's initial release. So don't get it twisted thinking this is going to be a magical repair for all of your complaints about DC universe movies.
 
2021-01-17 6:22:06 PM  

Cafe Threads: Carter Pewterschmidt: [Fark user image image 600x328]

Actually, we do now.


Oh sure, we have time.We just don't have time for that.
 
2021-01-17 6:25:38 PM  
After the steaming pile that was WW84 they should really just quit. Give up the ghost, you're done.
 
2021-01-17 6:32:41 PM  

EdgeRunner: Leishu: I expect it to be hilariously terrible, and I can't want to watch it because of that.

There is that possibility. Batman v Superman is terrible, but it's hilariously terrible in its wrongheadedness. Justice League was just boring and terrible, and I'd forgotten most of it before the credits started rolling. Like, I know Superman comes back and fixes everything, but I've got no memory of how. Probably punched some CGI character really hard or whatever.


He grew a mustache and thus the day was saved by his formidable facial hair.
 
2021-01-17 6:38:15 PM  
Justice League -The Director's Cut: Now with an hour and a half more suck!
 
2021-01-17 6:40:34 PM  
It's not like you can't stop it and watch the rest another day/s.
 
2021-01-17 6:41:16 PM  

Shostie: I actually watched the basic version last night for the first time.

I'm all-in for Marvel, but since we now have HBO Max through our ISP and they have most of the DCEU movies on there, I've been working my way through them.

My verdict for Justice League is that it's fine. There is nothing particularly good or bad about it. It is a movie. About as mediocre as it gets.

I have, however, revised my opinion that Aquaman is the most useless member of the Justice League. At least in this iteration, it's Batman. He does almost nothing other than talk.


It's like a superhero made before the MCU or the Nolan Batman movies came out.

I think people just forgot how bad the genre really was.
 
2021-01-17 6:44:27 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Cafe Threads: Carter Pewterschmidt: [Fark user image image 600x328]

Actually, we do now.

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I remember one Monday morning at work in February 2019 when I was proud of the fact I did absolutely nothing and went nowhere at all for the entire weekend.
 
2021-01-17 6:49:55 PM  

Wesdog: Just sit back and be entertained for a few hours. Quit demanding they make movies exactly how you remember things happening from when you read the comics as a child. Every person who read those comic books is going to have differing emotional responses. Just let them make a stupid super hero comic book movie and stfu.


You're missing the point. All most of us want is to be entertained, and Snyder's approach to DC hasn't delivered well on that. Man of Steel has a promising start with its weird vision of Krypton, but the rest of it is a mess, the action pieces are dull, and Kevin Costner is the worst hero mentor ever. I've never felt the urge to rewatch that one. BvS is entertainingly bad in places, but it's more fun to just watch clips of the most ridiculous parts than to sit through the entire thing. And whether Justice League contained any of his vision or not, it's boring and rote, and I'm not excited about reshoots because there's nothing from the theatrical cut worth saving IMHO. (Maybe that brief scene of Wonder Woman foiling the bank robbery, that was kinda cool, but that's about it.)

Yes, superhero movies are big dumb spectacles, but that doesn't mean they're exempt from the basic standard of being entertaining to watch.
 
2021-01-17 6:50:20 PM  

RandomAxe: Watch the Man Comes Around montage at the beginning of Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, and that will get you hyped for a zombie movie that unfortunately doesn't deliver


Oh, I disagree with you. I really liked the Dawn of the Dead remake. The only thing I wasn't a fan of was fast zombies.

Anything running fast at me is scary, which is why fast zombies are not scary to me, as a movie trope.

It could've been a pack of Star Trek nerds. If they are all running at me with the intent to kill me, it's scary, they don't need to be undead!

The reason zombies are scary to me is because they are slow, but unstopping, and they eventually get you in the end.

There's a good Simon Pegg quote "It's why I get miffed at all the dashing around in recent zombie films. It completely misses the point; transforms the threat to a straightforward physical danger from the zombies themselves, rather than our own inability to avoid them and these films are about us, not them. There's far more meat on the bones of the latter, far more juicy interpretation to get our teeth into. The first zombie is by comparison thin and one dimensional and ironically, it is down to all the exercise."
 
2021-01-17 6:51:39 PM  

RandomAxe: Gonna be honest:  I don't think Zack Snyder is a bad director.  I like him a lot better than Jar Jar Abrams.

I do think Snyder doesn't know good writing from bad, and that he doesn't 'get' comics.  He's kind of a Tarantino -- he knows stuff that's cool, but he doesn't understand why it's cool.  So when he tries to do it, sometimes it comes out cool as Shaft On Ice, and sometimes it comes out as cool as Shaft Icecapades (Guest-Starring Badly Adapted Muppets).

Watch the Man Comes Around montage at the beginning of Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, and that will get you hyped for a zombie movie that unfortunately doesn't deliver.  Bits of Watchmen are great and eerily clever dead-on evocations of the comic, but he misunderstands half the characters and fails to adopt most of the sequences that were arranged and drawn specifically cinematically.  FFS.

Maybe he could do a Western, or something.

Also, for the love of God, someone tell Abrams he doesn't understand science fiction anymore than he understands something else he utterly, completely does not remotely understand.


He's perfectly fine at directing. Even good! He's crap when he's running the whole show.
 
2021-01-17 6:52:11 PM  

EdgeRunner: Leishu: RandomAxe: Gonna be honest:  I don't think Zack Snyder is a bad director.  I like him a lot better than Jar Jar Abrams.

I do think Snyder doesn't know good writing from bad, and that he doesn't 'get' comics.  He's kind of a Tarantino -- he knows stuff that's cool, but he doesn't understand why it's cool.  So when he tries to do it, sometimes it comes out cool as Shaft On Ice, and sometimes it comes out as cool as Shaft Icecapades (Guest-Starring Badly Adapted Muppets).

Watch the Man Comes Around montage at the beginning of Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, and that will get you hyped for a zombie movie that unfortunately doesn't deliver.  Bits of Watchmen are great and eerily clever dead-on evocations of the comic, but he misunderstands half the characters and fails to adopt most of the sequences that were arranged and drawn specifically cinematically.  FFS.

Maybe he could do a Western, or something.

Also, for the love of God, someone tell Abrams he doesn't understand science fiction anymore than he understands something else he utterly, completely does not remotely understand.

Snyder excels at putting together what amounts to a series of correlated vignettes which loosely form a plot. He wants spectacle. His style lends well to superlative writing (See: 300), but if any sort of nuance in character is wanted, he's a bit counterproductive.

He's good at framing over-the-top action scenes, so long as you're not bothered by his cheap reliance on slow-mo at odd moments. But with his dark, hyper-violent sensibilities, he should have stuck with the horror genre. He was a bizarre choice for the campy, optimistic world that every not-Batman DC hero inhabits.


Yeah, my assessment of Snyder is he has a talent for stylistic visuals, but is weak on character and story.  He also seems to have trouble with bloat in his movies.  For example, "Batman v. Superman."  You shouldn't need a 3 hour cut to deliver a competent Batman and Superman movie.  Timm and Dini delivered a great one with "World's Finest" in half the time, including commercials.
 
2021-01-17 6:58:59 PM  

buntz: RandomAxe: Watch the Man Comes Around montage at the beginning of Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, and that will get you hyped for a zombie movie that unfortunately doesn't deliver

Oh, I disagree with you. I really liked the Dawn of the Dead remake. The only thing I wasn't a fan of was fast zombies.

Anything running fast at me is scary, which is why fast zombies are not scary to me, as a movie trope.

It could've been a pack of Star Trek nerds. If they are all running at me with the intent to kill me, it's scary, they don't need to be undead!

The reason zombies are scary to me is because they are slow, but unstopping, and they eventually get you in the end.

There's a good Simon Pegg quote "It's why I get miffed at all the dashing around in recent zombie films. It completely misses the point; transforms the threat to a straightforward physical danger from the zombies themselves, rather than our own inability to avoid them and these films are about us, not them. There's far more meat on the bones of the latter, far more juicy interpretation to get our teeth into. The first zombie is by comparison thin and one dimensional and ironically, it is down to all the exercise."


People forget that slow moving zombies are a trope of older movies where the dead are puppeted by a voodoo master. The flesh-eating ghoul types got their big start in Night of the Living Dead, and the very first zombie we see onscreen runs up to a car and tries using a rock to break in. Fast zombies with tool-using skills aren't actually a new twist.
 
2021-01-17 7:00:22 PM  

Wesdog: You guys are way too into this stuff. It's a movie based on comic book super heroes. None of these movies, regardless of universe, are going to be winning awards at film festivals.

Just sit back and be entertained for a few hours. Quit demanding they make movies exactly how you remember things happening from when you read the comics as a child. Every person who read those comic books is going to have differing emotional responses. Just let them make a stupid super hero comic book movie and stfu.

Here's the thing and im gonna tell ya. It's just entertainment. They don't make these movies for any other reason than to make a profit. They don't care about your favorite character or anything else as long as they make money. So don't expect a movie to be true to it's source when that source is thousands of comic books written by dozens of different authors. It can't be done in a movie, they have to pick and choose what they want to use from all of those stories. They choose what they think will make the story the best and in turn make them the most money.

They aren't releasing this cut of the movie because people demanded it. They are releasing this cut of the movie because enough people demanded it that it became possible for them to make a good nut off of it again a few years after it's initial release. So don't get it twisted thinking this is going to be a magical repair for all of your complaints about DC universe movies.


Never watched the DC justice league stuff, and probably never will.

And you STILL sound like a jackass.
 
2021-01-17 7:22:54 PM  
All this money and time, and the final result is going to be OK at best.
 
2021-01-17 7:25:15 PM  
WW84 was unwatchable.  I made it 25 minutes before giving up.  There's no way I'll make it through a 4 hour DC movie.
 
2021-01-17 7:32:16 PM  
Four hours? I really hope that Covid has put an end to these overly long comic book movies. I know that WW84 had been sitting around awhile so it doesn't really count but you can't expect me to believe that not one minute of a 151-minute runtime could be cut? I expect that future movies are going to have drastically scaled-back budgets at least for the short term. If you can't tell your comic book movie story in 90 minutes, you're doing something wrong. It's not 'The Godfather'.
 
2021-01-17 7:36:07 PM  

RandomAxe: Gonna be honest:  I don't think Zack Snyder is a bad director.  I like him a lot better than Jar Jar Abrams.

I do think Snyder doesn't know good writing from bad, and that he doesn't 'get' comics.  He's kind of a Tarantino -- he knows stuff that's cool, but he doesn't understand why it's cool.  So when he tries to do it, sometimes it comes out cool as Shaft On Ice, and sometimes it comes out as cool as Shaft Icecapades (Guest-Starring Badly Adapted Muppets).

Watch the Man Comes Around montage at the beginning of Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, and that will get you hyped for a zombie movie that unfortunately doesn't deliver.  Bits of Watchmen are great and eerily clever dead-on evocations of the comic, but he misunderstands half the characters and fails to adopt most of the sequences that were arranged and drawn specifically cinematically.  FFS.

Maybe he could do a Western, or something.

Also, for the love of God, someone tell Abrams he doesn't understand science fiction anymore than he understands something else he utterly, completely does not remotely understand.


That was beautifully said, about Snyder *and* Tarantino. I am a fan of neither, and that sort of puts it into the right words I never could - Thank You
 
2021-01-17 7:42:21 PM  
Leishu: Snyder excels at putting together what amounts to a series of correlated vignettes which loosely form a plot. He wants spectacle. His style lends well to superlative writing (See: 300), but if any sort of nuance in character is wanted, he's a bit counterproductive.

I hear what you're saying, and I know what you mean, although I thought 300 was off the rails and just embarrassing as soon as they got to, you know, the part with the war in it.  Persian ambassadors visiting the king at home -- great stuff.  Persian soldiers start showing up, and it was like . . . wait, are you serious or what is happening now.
 
2021-01-17 7:45:38 PM  

Polish Hussar: You shouldn't need a 3 hour cut to deliver a competent Batman and Superman movie.  Timm and Dini delivered a great one with "World's Finest" in half the time, including commercials.


One thing that kills me about the DC movies is how much better the animated stuff is.  I mean, OK, Super Friends was better, but if you want a good, clever, retconning, amazing-cast, dramatic, well-written DC Universe film, try Crisis on Two Earths.
 
2021-01-17 7:57:06 PM  

buntz: There's a good Simon Pegg quote "It's why I get miffed at all the dashing around in recent zombie films. It completely misses the point; transforms the threat to a straightforward physical danger from the zombies themselves, rather than our own inability to avoid them and these films are about us, not them. There's far more meat on the bones of the latter, far more juicy interpretation to get our teeth into. The first zombie is by comparison thin and one dimensional and ironically, it is down to all the exercise."


I have mad respect for Pegg, and if it was his crew doing it . . . which, you know, that one time, it was, then you can do that.

But the stereotypical Worst Trope In Horror is, what else, People Are The Real Monsters.  Rod Serling drove that tent peg into the ground, and he was hardly the only one.

For my money, and this is just me, every monster movie should be an adventure movie.  What I want to see is the humans fighting back.  I don't want a slasher version of Beowulf with no Beowulf, where the Danes are just haplessly murdered by Grendel while they bicker among themselves, until everyone's dead.  Even if we're gonna get a Korean monster movie where the klutzy humans band together to fight the monster and . . . we don't get a triumphant ending because it's a Korean movie . . . better that they fight back.

For me, with zombies, Pegg's "exercise" is the point.  I like the zombie stories where the humans aren't stupid, which is almost none of the zombie stories.  I like the first two Alien movies because Ripley isn't a Terminator but refuses to give up or give in.  The humans don't need to be a well-organized team, but I don't want to have to wait until the last twenty minutes for them to pull their pants up, either.

And you'll note that Shaun of the Dead is like 75% How Do We Survive This and Let's Do It! and not very much about what wankers humans are.  Frankly, if they could've gotten Wright / Pegg / Frost to do the Trek or Wars franchise, I . . . would have been pretty excited.
 
2021-01-17 8:04:35 PM  
For those of you DC watchers on HBO Max, check out Doom Patrol. That shiat is both good and bonkers.
 
2021-01-17 8:10:01 PM  

RandomAxe: Frankly, if they could've gotten Wright / Pegg / Frost to do the Trek or Wars franchise, I . . . would have been pretty excited.


Pretty sure Pegg wrote "Star Trek Beyond"
 
2021-01-17 8:19:00 PM  
I'm looking forward to it.  I like DC movies.  Most Marvel movies are better and their shared universe was better planned out.  But I don't care, give me Mark Strong as Sinestro again.
 
2021-01-17 8:55:27 PM  

RandomAxe: buntz: 

... And you'll note that Shaun of the Dead is like 75% How Do We Survive This and Let's Do It! and not very much about what wankers humans are.  ...


It's 100% about what a wanker Shaun was, though. Granted, that's not quite the same wankery as your general "People: what a bunch of bastards" subtext, especially given he's growing from it during the movie, but still.
 
2021-01-17 9:38:25 PM  

Smashed Hat: Four hours? I really hope that Covid has put an end to these overly long comic book movies. I know that WW84 had been sitting around awhile so it doesn't really count but you can't expect me to believe that not one minute of a 151-minute runtime could be cut? I expect that future movies are going to have drastically scaled-back budgets at least for the short term. If you can't tell your comic book movie story in 90 minutes, you're doing something wrong. It's not 'The Godfather'.


I disagree a bit, I'd set the mark at 2 hours for most of them, which the MCU appears to have mostly adhered to.  The longest non-teamup MCU movie, so excluding The Avengers films + "Civil War," was 2 hours 16 minutes.  And remember, runtime includes the end credits.  The good news for you is that the logistics of theatrical distribution, basically how many showings a theater can fit in a night without having to pay staff for extra hours, mean most studios try to keep their movies around 2 hours, and really try to keep them under two and a half hours.

The bad news for you is that the big, spectacle movies have been the best bets for the movie studios.  In recent years most people have been waiting for the "smaller" movies to hit streaming instead of going to the theater, which is why a lot of those projects have been picked up and made directly by the streaming services.  The streaming services have been jumping on those pitches to cut out the middle men (the studios).
 
2021-01-17 9:55:50 PM  
Thematically, its probably a good sign.   If you edit the story to have 3 mini-conclusions and 1 final conclusion, the story will suffer being that it wasn't initially envisioned to play out like that.

I'll watch the hell out of this over 2 nites, just like the Irishman.

I'm not one shy to pull up half-way and finish something the next day.
 
2021-01-17 9:57:47 PM  

Polish Hussar: Smashed Hat: Four hours? I really hope that Covid has put an end to these overly long comic book movies. I know that WW84 had been sitting around awhile so it doesn't really count but you can't expect me to believe that not one minute of a 151-minute runtime could be cut? I expect that future movies are going to have drastically scaled-back budgets at least for the short term. If you can't tell your comic book movie story in 90 minutes, you're doing something wrong. It's not 'The Godfather'.

I disagree a bit, I'd set the mark at 2 hours for most of them, which the MCU appears to have mostly adhered to.  The longest non-teamup MCU movie, so excluding The Avengers films + "Civil War," was 2 hours 16 minutes.  And remember, runtime includes the end credits.  The good news for you is that the logistics of theatrical distribution, basically how many showings a theater can fit in a night without having to pay staff for extra hours, mean most studios try to keep their movies around 2 hours, and really try to keep them under two and a half hours.

The bad news for you is that the big, spectacle movies have been the best bets for the movie studios.  In recent years most people have been waiting for the "smaller" movies to hit streaming instead of going to the theater, which is why a lot of those projects have been picked up and made directly by the streaming services.  The streaming services have been jumping on those pitches to cut out the middle men (the studios).


Anyone claiming a comic book story couldn't justify a long run time is a fool.

There is nothing preventing a comic book story from being complex or lengthy. The only reason it might appear otherwise is a handful of still panels can cover a long period of video, and comics tend to be sold in short formats.

But those shorts' lengths are irrelevant; they aren't completed stories. A full arc can go on for quite a while.

Personally I prefer shorter stories myself, and further prefer a serial to a long film.
 
2021-01-17 10:16:21 PM  
I hated Justice League when it came out, but I'll give this one a chance.
More often than not, when studios panic late in production, the work suffers.

35 years ago, Arnon Milchan freaked out over Once Upon A Time in America's 3 and a half hour run time and ordered it chopped by an hour and a half and told linear instead of the multiple flashbacks used in Sergio Leone's cut. The result was awful. I saw it once on cable, and it made no sense.

Same thing with Heaven's Gate. While Cimino's cut is very flawed, the heavily re-cut version that got released theatrically was abysmal. Characters would get introduced as major plot points, then would just disappear, action sequences were all over the place, and you spent a good chunk of the movie just wondering what the hell was going on.

Warner Brothers knew from the start of production that Justice League was meant to be a long movie. FFS, the one that set it up was nearly 3 hours. And they knew the style of movies that Zack Snyder makes. The sudden panic that led to reshoots and hacking it down to a 2 hour run time played out with predictable results.

Is Snyder's cut of JL an improvement? That remains to be seen, but I'm all about letting filmmakers get their vision on screen. Maybe this one will be his "Kingdom of Heaven," another movie that got hacked nearly to death by nervous execs.
 
2021-01-17 10:28:44 PM  

rummonkey: The Zack Snyder fanboys make the old Browncoats look good. Give it up, Zack isn't going to be able to polish this turd into the DCEU flagship you want.


Snyderists are the second most baffling cult centered around a mediocre figurehead.
 
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