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(SFGate)   California gives the go ahead for a massive off-road rally because why should the flyover states have all the fun hosting superspreader events   (sfgate.com) divider line
    More: Asinine, Bureau of Land Management, massive multiday event, Intensive care medicine, San Bernardino, California, San Bernardino County, Southern California, San Bernardino County, California, midst of a COVID-19 surge  
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2021-01-17 4:04:25 AM  
Stop...Hammertown?

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2021-01-17 5:36:07 AM  
We had a cool earthquake earlier tonight. It was a decent jolt, but it was quick. Didn't last long at all. I guessed a 4.5, then thought about for a minute and went with 4.2 instead. It was initially announced as a 4.5 quake, then revised down to 4.2. Nailed it.

If only there was some way for me harness (make money) from this power.
 
2021-01-17 5:37:56 AM  
I mean.  If everyone is in their car, why is this a problem?
 
2021-01-17 5:47:51 AM  

sleze: I mean.  If everyone is in their car, why is this a problem?


It's potentially 50,000 people over nine days. Someone is sure to step out of their car a time or two.
 
2021-01-17 5:48:31 AM  
Eh, it's Southern California .  Who cares, the less of them the better.
 
2021-01-17 6:07:36 AM  
San Bernadino County's weird politically.  Went comfortably Biden (by low double digits) at the National level, but at the county level they've elected a sea of derp.  Their COVID case rate's currently the highest in California, but the county leadership's kept themselves busy trying (and failing) to fight the state's stay-at-home order in courts so they can open up all the restaurants again.
 
2021-01-17 6:44:30 AM  
Sorry California but in similar circumstances Farkers have told me that your entire state apparently needs to die.  So nice knowing you, I guess?
 
2021-01-17 7:03:38 AM  
It's hard to find studies on outdoor transmission, but the ones I did found a transmission rate of about 10% that if indoor. So, if we have a basic reproduction rate of 2.0 indoors, then we would expect a basic reproduction rate of 0.2 outdoors, not enough to sustain the virus.

Then, the question is do we want to completely stop by rest transmission, or just keep it below the point where the virus can spread?
 
2021-01-17 8:27:08 AM  
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This was the 2020 crowd.
 
2021-01-17 8:33:42 AM  
So, if it's just an off-roading event held in the desert, and (as the article says) the participants are all being tested (it looks like they have to have a recent negative PCR and a antigen test day-of) I don't see how it's any different than other sports.  You may disagree that those events should be held, but this, by itself, is not worse than that.

Thing is, all the sporting events have empty or very restricted attendance.  Let's face it, there's a whole bunch of trumping rednecks who will go to this and ostentatiously breathe on each other and everyone else just to stick it to Biden and Pence and McConnell.

The event occurs on federal lands.  This is eight days after Trump is gone.  I doubt it'll happen, but perhaps someone will show enough spine to restrict the number of fans and enforce it.  Tell them they can have their event but you have to ask the fans to stay home this year.
 
2021-01-17 8:41:44 AM  
These hicks are already ignoring precautions.  This makes no difference.  Real America has no idea that California actually has more rednecks than Alabama.
 
2021-01-17 10:08:04 AM  

Sid Deuces: sleze: I mean.  If everyone is in their car, why is this a problem?

It's potentially 50,000 people over nine days. Someone is sure to step out of their car a time or two.


A time or two isn't a superspreader event unless one is referring to what Biden does to little kids.
 
DVD
2021-01-17 10:28:26 AM  

Sid Deuces: sleze: I mean.  If everyone is in their car, why is this a problem?

It's potentially 50,000 people over nine days. Someone is sure to step out of their car a time or two.


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Yes, but if the congregating can be kept to an extreme minimum or none at all, then I don't see any more of a problem here than I would with folks going in very small groups to hike or do other outdoor activities.

Shutting everyone in their homes for an entire year seems like something that Faux News would tout as "what liberals actually want!" as they spread their 24/7 misinformation about everything COVID related and foment stupid, yet deadly rebellion.
 
2021-01-17 11:42:10 AM  

DVD: Sid Deuces: sleze: I mean.  If everyone is in their car, why is this a problem?

It's potentially 50,000 people over nine days. Someone is sure to step out of their car a time or two.

________

Yes, but if the congregating can be kept to an extreme minimum or none at all, then I don't see any more of a problem here than I would with folks going in very small groups to hike or do other outdoor activities.

Shutting everyone in their homes for an entire year seems like something that Faux News would tout as "what liberals actually want!" as they spread their 24/7 misinformation about everything COVID related and foment stupid, yet deadly rebellion.


Or, ye know, what every other news outlet has shown us what the actual statements from liberal governors are.
 
2021-01-17 12:43:10 PM  
Another event i would not have allowed to happen until the pandemic has ended.
 
2021-01-17 12:46:06 PM  
So it was approved by the bureau of land management (Federal government) and San Bernardino County (local government in a county where 4 of the 5 county supervisors are Republicans)
 
2021-01-17 1:37:39 PM  
San Bernardino County is the largest county in the country and the size of West Virginia.  While there is a urban core in the southwest corner of the county where a few million people live, the bulk of the area is uninhabited desert. This is out in the desert east of Victorville in an off road area. If they require negative tests (although that value is somewhat limited given you could have become positive after the testing), I guess they are trying to limit problems.  A cap on spectators for distancing purposes would probably be nice, although a off road rally competition leads itself to being more spread out than many sporting events.
 
2021-01-17 1:38:06 PM  
so. much. concern.
 
2021-01-17 1:42:19 PM  
What's the problem.  Everything's under control in CA, right?
 
2021-01-17 3:14:39 PM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: It's hard to find studies on outdoor transmission, but the ones I did found a transmission rate of about 10% that if indoor. So, if we have a basic reproduction rate of 2.0 indoors, then we would expect a basic reproduction rate of 0.2 outdoors, not enough to sustain the virus.

Then, the question is do we want to completely stop by rest transmission, or just keep it below the point where the virus can spread?


They could also hold a BLM protest and wear masks. That would prevent the spread.
 
2021-01-17 4:53:36 PM  
 
2021-01-17 8:12:51 PM  
LOL you mean all those superspreader events that don't end up superspreading?
 
2021-01-18 3:31:37 AM  
I live in the area. Testing negative a week before the event leaves ample time to become infectious. Testing after most of them have already traveled hundreds or thousands of miles is equally ludicrous. They descend like locusts, jamming grocery stores, auto parts stores, restaurants, basically any place a tourist driving an rv and  hauling their toys needs to shop. If they were quarantined in the off road designated area of Johnson Valley, fine, but they are invading a communiy of around 44,000 people with 9 icu beds In a community hospital and the nearest large hosptal is 40 miles away in Palm Springs, with no beds to spare. Needless to say, the people who okayed this live in an urban area 90 miles away, and have no clue what they are unleashing on us out here in the desert. Nor do they care. (San Bernardino county is a lot like fark in that respect. Welcome, etc.)
 
M-G
2021-01-18 11:08:47 AM  

rikkards: Anyone competing has to be tested negative just prior to the week. Masks are mandatory and they are trying to minimize attendance
By design, to ensure we can operate as safely as possible, we have eliminated various attendance draws such as live music and other entertainment completely from our calendar. We are encouraging fans to watch the livestream and stay home.


That's kind of like testing football players but allowing the arena to fill to capacity with spectators.  "But we nixed the marching band at halftime."

If they want to do it right, they would ban spectators entirely, as those of us involved in other motorsports have done.  But there's still the question of whether it is advisable from a safety plan standpoint to even hold an event like that when your local hospitals are full.
 
2021-01-18 11:26:19 AM  

M-G: rikkards: Anyone competing has to be tested negative just prior to the week. Masks are mandatory and they are trying to minimize attendance
By design, to ensure we can operate as safely as possible, we have eliminated various attendance draws such as live music and other entertainment completely from our calendar. We are encouraging fans to watch the livestream and stay home.

That's kind of like testing football players but allowing the arena to fill to capacity with spectators.  "But we nixed the marching band at halftime."

If they want to do it right, they would ban spectators entirely, as those of us involved in other motorsports have done.  But there's still the question of whether it is advisable from a safety plan standpoint to even hold an event like that when your local hospitals are full.


Agreed except in this case the stadium is over a hundred miles around in diameter. It's a bit hard to stop spectators.
 
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