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2021-01-16 4:51:38 PM  
As a point of reference for time periods, "Yakety Yak" was released in 1958, "Help Me, Rhonda" in 1965
 
2021-01-16 5:16:06 PM  
I liked the layer of Twilight Zone dread underneath the sitcom schmutz. I never watched those Avenger flicks some I'm kinda out of the loop on some of the Easter eggs
 
2021-01-16 5:32:48 PM  
It's like Twin Peaks in the MCU.
 
2021-01-16 5:44:39 PM  
"For the children" is wigging me out
 
2021-01-16 5:45:24 PM  

oldfarthenry: I liked the layer of Twilight Zone dread underneath the sitcom schmutz. I never watched those Avenger flicks some I'm kinda out of the loop on some of the Easter eggs


The obvious easter egg was the watch commercial. Strucker was the Hydra scientist that gave Wanda her powers in "Avengers: Age of Ultron"
 
2021-01-16 5:46:08 PM  

GardenWeasel: "For the children" is wigging me out


Yet, there were no children watching the talent show.
 
2021-01-16 5:50:16 PM  

Unbridled Apathy: oldfarthenry: I liked the layer of Twilight Zone dread underneath the sitcom schmutz. I never watched those Avenger flicks some I'm kinda out of the loop on some of the Easter eggs

The obvious easter egg was the watch commercial. Strucker was the Hydra scientist that gave Wanda her powers in "Avengers: Age of Ultron"


The Beekeeper auit makes me think AIM will be involved.

Loved how Viz phased through the ottoman instead of tripped over it. Lotta love and detail went into recreating the Dick Van Dyke show feel.
 
2021-01-16 5:50:16 PM  
The sewer is a terrible place to keep bees.
 
2021-01-16 5:51:30 PM  
"Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it..."
Impressive how quickly it goes from funny and light-hearted to creepy as hell.
 
2021-01-16 5:57:14 PM  

Unbridled Apathy: GardenWeasel: "For the children" is wigging me out

Yet, there were no children watching the talent show.


I get the in show narrative. I just mean it sounds like Qanon
 
2021-01-16 6:00:17 PM  
I like the creepy bits, but the TV tropes schtick is getting old quick.
 
2021-01-16 6:09:50 PM  
So is this Wanda tripping balls somewhere trying to process her grief?

Or is this multiverse shiat so Vision is fine and dandy?
 
2021-01-16 6:11:44 PM  

Jack Sabbath: So is this Wanda tripping balls somewhere trying to process her grief?

Or is this multiverse shiat so Vision is fine and dandy?


Both?

Others seem to be entangled into her situation. Geraldine for starters.
 
2021-01-16 6:15:39 PM  

Jack Sabbath: So is this Wanda tripping balls somewhere trying to process her grief?

Or is this multiverse shiat so Vision is fine and dandy?



Yes. Wanda re-orgs reality. X-MEN come in to existence in the MCU.
 
2021-01-16 7:55:26 PM  

GardenWeasel: Jack Sabbath: Yes. Wanda re-orgs reality. X-MEN come in to existence in the MCU.


They could do that, but I don't think they will. They want to do a multiverse, obviously, for this phase. I think the climax of this phase will involve a big multiversal thing, but they've apparently cast Kang the Conqueror for the big bad.

Remember, movie superheroes are a little less cosmic than the comics. Thor and Hulk in the comics have beaten far more powerful villains than MCU Thanos. (I think part of it is that giant tentpole movies need visuals that can be understood or at least appreciated by just about any audience.)

Plus, movie audiences are a little less 'revolving-door morality' than comic audiences have come to accept. (So many heroes have 'gone rogue' and villains have reformed and then vice versa. People forgive things no human actually would, etc.)

So making a popular character a universe-threatening villain? Marvel might indeed do that... but they'd be consciously sacrificing a character effectively permanently.

On the other hand, human actors age and comic characters don't...
 
2021-01-16 8:25:07 PM  

GardenWeasel: Jack Sabbath: So is this Wanda tripping balls somewhere trying to process her grief?

Or is this multiverse shiat so Vision is fine and dandy?


Yes. Wanda re-orgs reality. X-MEN come in to existence in the MCU.


No More Mutants
 
2021-01-16 9:04:03 PM  
My question is: who was watching the TV at the end of episode one?
 
2021-01-16 10:05:06 PM  

aimtastic: I like the creepy bits, but the TV tropes schtick is getting old quick.


Same here. It's reminding me of an Andy Kaufman event where he sits and reads The Great Gatsby, then leaves.
 
2021-01-16 10:58:05 PM  
Not much in the ways of plot reveals yet but that's just fine with me. It's nice to see more attention given to Scarlet Witch and Vision because they've mostly been side characters in the movies (Vision in particular hasn't had much to do since Age of Ultron). Bettany and Olson have pretty good chemistry and seem to be enjoying themselves. I'm interested in seeing where this all goes.
 
2021-01-16 10:58:33 PM  

ArkAngel: My question is: who was watching the TV at the end of episode one?


Someone from SWORD? The logo was on their notebook, as well as on the toy helicopter that Wanda found.
 
2021-01-16 11:03:48 PM  
I liked them and the creepy undertones, but did they really have to have 6 minutes of credits to pad out the run time?
 
2021-01-16 11:10:05 PM  

GardenWeasel: "For the children" is wigging me out


Well, it strikes the same note as "For the greater good."
 
2021-01-16 11:11:12 PM  

Cheesehead_Dave: ArkAngel: My question is: who was watching the TV at the end of episode one?

Someone from SWORD? The logo was on their notebook, as well as on the toy helicopter that Wanda found.


Is SWORD something in the comics universe? Or, just the opposite of SHIELD?
 
2021-01-16 11:14:00 PM  
The Scarlett Witch is the Rachel Dolezal of the Marvel. I won't forgive her for lying about being a mutant for all these years.
 
2021-01-16 11:14:34 PM  
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2021-01-16 11:15:03 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: GardenWeasel: "For the children" is wigging me out

Well, it strikes the same note as "For the greater good."


The greater good.
 
2021-01-16 11:16:26 PM  

Unbridled Apathy: Cheesehead_Dave: ArkAngel: My question is: who was watching the TV at the end of episode one?

Someone from SWORD? The logo was on their notebook, as well as on the toy helicopter that Wanda found.

Is SWORD something in the comics universe? Or, just the opposite of SHIELD?


Yeah. It's something those weird mutants have in the x books.
// they have a strange obsession with swords
 
2021-01-16 11:16:47 PM  

Unbridled Apathy: Cheesehead_Dave: ArkAngel: My question is: who was watching the TV at the end of episode one?

Someone from SWORD? The logo was on their notebook, as well as on the toy helicopter that Wanda found.

Is SWORD something in the comics universe? Or, just the opposite of SHIELD?


It's like a sister agency to SHIELD.  Same side, just focuses on different threats. There's some speculation that the Fury stinger at the end of the last Spider-Man movie was aboard a SWORD base.
 
2021-01-16 11:18:22 PM  
"Drunk" Vision was highly entertaining. And it was nice seeing "normal" and playful Wanda during scenes like them practicing the magic show.
 
2021-01-16 11:19:12 PM  
I am assuming she is being held  by SWORD and they are trying to assess if she is a threat or not to them and the universe.
 
2021-01-16 11:23:42 PM  
Kinda Meh so far. We'll see where it goes.
 
2021-01-16 11:27:11 PM  

thisispete: I liked them and the creepy undertones, but did they really have to have 6 minutes of credits to pad out the run time?


They had a gaggle of dubbed audio tracks and they gave each language's cast a credit page. I saw them all because Mrs. aaronx scrolled through all of them hoping for a coda. Hope was dashed.
 
2021-01-16 11:32:36 PM  
so far i like it
 
2021-01-16 11:35:55 PM  
Were there any clues revealed in the Toaster Commercial?
 
2021-01-16 11:39:52 PM  

Unbridled Apathy: Were there any clues revealed in the Toaster Commercial?


At the very least, it was a reference to Wanda's MCU backstory. Where she and Pietro were trapped for day or more in a collapsed building with a Stark munition right next to them, waiting for it to go off.
 
2021-01-16 11:49:04 PM  

Unbridled Apathy: Were there any clues revealed in the Toaster Commercial?


That was a reference to my parents, they had one like the first toaster in the commercial.
 
2021-01-17 12:00:15 AM  
I'm looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.  For a multi-billion dollar franchise to produce something this weird is risky and admirable.

I really appreciate the effort they've gone into recreating homages to sitcoms of the past, down to the very artificial early sitcom acting that everyone's doing.
 
2021-01-17 12:13:08 AM  
Got a little of that legion vibe.. which I like..
 
2021-01-17 12:35:56 AM  
Okay. Time to float my theory...

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So, one of the things I've been doing since Season 1 of Daredevil is checking a Marvel wikia on names that seem familiar but I'm not sure about. Example: Melvin Potter, the armorer; the name sounded familiar and I found out that he's a character in the comics called Gladiator (hence a poster of a Gladiator movie in his shop)

Anyways, I hopped over to IMDB.com to look at the cast/character listing for WandaVision Episode 1. And noticed that there was a background character named Phil Jones. He's the sad sack that gets fired from Vision's firm. And he shows up in Episode 2, as well. And...he's the only character in Westview with both a first and last name; everyone else listed has a first name (Herbert, Dottie, Geraldine, Norm, Beverley, etc.) or just the last name like Mr. & Mrs. Hart. So, I hopped over to marvel.wikia.com (not plugging them, just listing the source) and got a hit.

Phil Jones exists in Marvel comics and is the husband of Arcana.

I'm sure like 90% of you, even the comics fans, just said 'who?'

Arcana is a super from an universe other than the mainline 616 reality; 712 to be precise. She's a member of the Squadron Supreme.

Now, I'm pretty sure about 75% of you again asked 'who?'

The Squadron Supreme is basically Marvel's version of the Justice League. With a last survivor of an alien race that grew up on Earth, has superhuman strength & durability, can fly, and is weakened by radioactive fragments of his home planet; a super-strong warrior princess from a hidden island; a billionaire that fights crime with the help of a utility belt filled with gadgets...you get the picture. They're sometimes allies, sometimes adversaries of the Avengers. And they're a bit more...grimdark than the Avengers, like 'taking over the world government' dark.

Still with me here? Okay...

Part of the reason for the flip-floppy relationship between the Avengers and the Squadron is because of an artifact called the Serpent Crown. It basically allows the Elder God Set to corrupt and influence those in it's presence; so the Squadron have fallen under the influence of the Crown on a couple of occasions. The Serpent Crown has slipped between realities before, and in the main 616 reality, it was created in ancient Lemuria, ruled by an offshoot of humanity called the Deviants. The Deviants are the traditional foes of another offshoot of humanity, the Eternals. Like in the upcoming movie.

So, my theory is that Wanda is currently trapped in some sort of altered reality by Arcana, both to neutralize her and to learn about her Earth's culture, in preparation for an invasion by the Squadron. SWORD has happened to find a way to monitor and periodically tap into the reality; Jimmy Woo calling for Wanda via the radios asking her 'Who's doing this to you?'

Is it a stretch? Sure. This is just a preliminary speculation, and really relies on if Phil Jones was named intentionally or coincidentally. But, if it does pan out this way, the payoffs for Marvel are huge.

-Fans can get a big-screen fight between the Avengers and the 'Justice League', without the involvement of WB/DC
-Expansion of the MCU multiverse, like they're working towards with the next Dr. Strange film
-Precursor introduction of the Eternals & Deviants before the movie is released
-The Serpent Crown & Set also are the key elements in Marvel's first real companywide story event; Atlantis Attacks. Just about every team was involved, and it's a way to get the new teams in the MCU, Fantastic Four & X-Men, involved in the universe and bonding with the Avengers quickly, as well as becoming another Infinity Stone-style arc for the franchise.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. You may now post your pics of Homer Simpson backing away slowly into the hedge.
 
2021-01-17 12:52:13 AM  
I really like the way the camera angles shift from sitcom style to drama when the illusion starts to break.

My two theories on what's happening:

1) The Big Bad trapped Wanda in an illusion.  They need Vision to calculate something (hence his seemingly pointless job) and they need Wanda's offspring (for the children).

2)  Wanda is the Big Bad and went mad after Endgame, trapping Westview in her madness.  The Beekeeper is an agent of SWORD who keeps trying to break through the illusion.  Anytime someone threatens to bring her back by not playing along, she instinctively rewinds or hurts them.
 
2021-01-17 12:54:58 AM  
It lost me already. I get what they're going for, but it's a dumb idea. I'm not slogging through an entire season of awful dated sitcom tropes for the ten seconds per episode that hints at the bigger picture. We get it, something weird is going on. Don't ask me to sit through twenty minutes of completely pointless bullshiat for a crumb of information.
 
2021-01-17 2:52:11 AM  

Cheesehead_Dave: ArkAngel: My question is: who was watching the TV at the end of episode one?

Someone from SWORD? The logo was on their notebook, as well as on the toy helicopter that Wanda found.


The SWORD logo was also on the back of the beekeeper's suit.

As to who was watching the TV, it's probably Darcy Lewis (Kat Dennings), Jane Foster's former intern who is presumably a SWORD employee now.

Geraldine (the African-American women in episode two) is actually Monica Rambeau, the now grown-up daughter of Maria (Carol Danvers / Captain Marvel's friend & fellow pilot).  I assume Monica is also working for SWORD.

The voice on the radio asking "Wanda, who's doing this to you?" is Jimmy Woo, the goofy Asian-American SHIELD agent from the Ant Man movies.

The only other significant character thus far is Wanda's nosy neighbor Agnes.  It's been speculated that she may actually be the witch Agatha Harkness, who was Wanda's mentor in the comics...but so far that's just a guess.
 
2021-01-17 3:17:04 AM  

Unbridled Apathy: Cheesehead_Dave: ArkAngel: My question is: who was watching the TV at the end of episode one?

Someone from SWORD? The logo was on their notebook, as well as on the toy helicopter that Wanda found.

Is SWORD something in the comics universe? Or, just the opposite of SHIELD?


SHIELD deals with terrestrial threats.  SWORD deals with extra-terrestrial threats.  There's some overlap (Thor, Guardians, etc).  At the end of FFH, Fury was in outer space, hanging with SWORD.  If MCU is going to introduce Fan4Stick, I think they'll do it via SWORD.
 
2021-01-17 3:32:51 AM  

TheManofPA: GardenWeasel: Jack Sabbath: So is this Wanda tripping balls somewhere trying to process her grief?

Or is this multiverse shiat so Vision is fine and dandy?


Yes. Wanda re-orgs reality. X-MEN come in to existence in the MCU.

No More Mutants


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2021-01-17 3:40:49 AM  

GardenWeasel: Jack Sabbath: So is this Wanda tripping balls somewhere trying to process her grief?

Or is this multiverse shiat so Vision is fine and dandy?


Yes. Wanda re-orgs reality. X-MEN come in to existence in the MCU.


She wants to bring her dead brother back and accidentally winds up with Evan Peters.
 
2021-01-17 4:07:35 AM  
My theory is that WandaVision is post-Civil-War and pre-Infinity-War.

This is Vision and Wanda having mindsex on the lam in Europe.
 
2021-01-17 4:48:54 AM  
Not really sure I like it. I want to, but I really hate the 50's and 60's sit-com tropes, so it grates.
 
2021-01-17 5:15:21 AM  

Esroc: It lost me already. I get what they're going for, but it's a dumb idea. I'm not slogging through an entire season of awful dated sitcom tropes for the ten seconds per episode that hints at the bigger picture. We get it, something weird is going on. Don't ask me to sit through twenty minutes of completely pointless bullshiat for a crumb of information.


I am with you I was bored as fark and I really enjoyed those style sitcoms
 
2021-01-17 6:47:00 AM  
i dont get it. lost me after 5 min
 
2021-01-17 6:47:21 AM  

I Ate Shergar: "Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it..."
Impressive how quickly it goes from funny and light-hearted to creepy as hell.


There are some good actors on those show.
 
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