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2021-01-16 3:30:57 PM  
Silver lining: the initial virus was sequenced and the mRNA candidate vaccine was ready for testing in March.

But we're going to have repurpose big parts of every countries' industry to finally produce enough vaccine geared to the regional variants.

Then we can start holding conservative scum down and jabbing them all.
 
2021-01-16 9:58:22 PM  
Enough of this already.
 
2021-01-16 10:01:37 PM  
FTFA: "deaths resulting from opioid addition."


Math.  Not even once.
 
2021-01-16 10:08:58 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Silver lining: the initial virus was sequenced and the mRNA candidate vaccine was ready for testing in March.

But we're going to have repurpose big parts of every countries' industry to finally produce enough vaccine geared to the regional variants.

Then we can start holding conservative scum down and jabbing them all.


Seriously, what percentage of our economy did we devote to WWII? I know it was a ton. With COVID 19 producing a WWII's worth of fatalities each year AND disrupting our workforce it seems like we should be going all in at this point.

God I hope Biden can get us focused on a national effort against COVID. I want my kids to know what playgrounds are like :(
 
2021-01-16 10:12:22 PM  
To put that into perspective:

The 1918 flu caused US life expectancy to drop by a good TWELVE years.

Eliminating HIV deaths would raise US life expectancy by maybe 0.2 years.

So COVID-19 is not as deadly as Spanish flu, no. It's "only" five or six times as deadly as AIDS.
 
2021-01-16 10:40:51 PM  

dukeblue219: Seriously, what percentage of our economy did we devote to WWII?


I don't know what the figure is, but beyond not having civilian production of cars, the US also didn't have private construction of housing.  All residential construction was done by the government, primarily in the area of factories, shipyards, etc.

MikeyFuccon: The 1918 flu caused US life expectancy to drop by a good TWELVE years.


The US population in 1917 was 103 million, less than a third of what it is today.  Over the course of two years, the Spanish Flu killed about 650,000 Americans.  I would wonder what the statistics are for Covid-19 if it was treated as we did the Spanish Flu.  Ignoring modern drug interventions, the people that are hospitalized are at least commonly provided supplemental oxygen.  How many would die just from not getting that?

Figuring that our own pandemic isn't done yet, it might not be time to count those chickens...yet.
 
2021-01-16 10:52:21 PM  
Don't worry Americans. Lifespan dropped by 1 year, but that happened to be last year, so if you made it this far, you're still good for the full distance originally stamped on your ticket.
 
2021-01-16 10:56:49 PM  
I think the Spanish Flu comparison is a weak, given how the USa in 1917 had way, way fewer households with running water, fnctional sewers, or ambulances and cars, and not many homes or even cities were electrified. Good luck surviving a severe respiratory virus when you've had a couple already in your life, and also you heat your home with coal.

Pandemics do not come from germs. Germs cause outbreaks. Pandemics are caused by technology and architecture and social habits and trasnportation.
 
2021-01-16 11:03:18 PM  

kyleaugustus: dukeblue219: Seriously, what percentage of our economy did we devote to WWII?

I don't know what the figure is, but beyond not having civilian production of cars, the US also didn't have private construction of housing.  All residential construction was done by the government, primarily in the area of factories, shipyards, etc.

MikeyFuccon: The 1918 flu caused US life expectancy to drop by a good TWELVE years.

The US population in 1917 was 103 million, less than a third of what it is today.  Over the course of two years, the Spanish Flu killed about 650,000 Americans.  I would wonder what the statistics are for Covid-19 if it was treated as we did the Spanish Flu.  Ignoring modern drug interventions, the people that are hospitalized are at least commonly provided supplemental oxygen.  How many would die just from not getting that?

Figuring that our own pandemic isn't done yet, it might not be time to count those chickens...yet.


I wasn't trying to minimize it.

So much of the Trump era has been the Reagan era staged as farce. To call COVID Trump's AIDS crisis is an understatement. COVID, by this measure anyway, is already five times worse.
 
2021-01-17 3:58:10 AM  
Yeah, the total hit has definitely not been taken into account yet. I mean, potentially millions of Americans now have permanent disability and organ damage due to COVID that may take years or even decades to fully play out.

/imagine dying of a stroke or heart attack in your 40s, for instance.
 
2021-01-17 5:27:35 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Silver lining: the initial virus was sequenced and the mRNA candidate vaccine was ready for testing in March.

But we're going to have repurpose big parts of every countries' industry to finally produce enough vaccine geared to the regional variants.

Then we can start holding conservative scum down and jabbing them all.


No. We should smother them with MyPillows.
 
2021-01-17 11:02:36 AM  

dukeblue219: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Silver lining: the initial virus was sequenced and the mRNA candidate vaccine was ready for testing in March.

But we're going to have repurpose big parts of every countries' industry to finally produce enough vaccine geared to the regional variants.

Then we can start holding conservative scum down and jabbing them all.

Seriously, what percentage of our economy did we devote to WWII? I know it was a ton. With COVID 19 producing a WWII's worth of fatalities each year AND disrupting our workforce it seems like we should be going all in at this point.


The total cost of WW2 was in the neighborhood of $300B in 1945 dollars, or $4.341T in 2021 dollars.  The GDP in 1944 was $224B, so a good chunk of the economy was focused on the war effort.  The consequence of so much of the economy focused on the war meant a huge downsizing once the war was over (Britain was still rationing items up through 1956).  Companies making bombers and fighters out of aluminum had to find new markets for all that aluminum capacity, which is how aluminum Christmas trees came into existence.

"Going all in" could and should be done by eliminating as many personal and corporate tax breaks as possible.  The Fortune 500 generally don't pay taxes, and some of them get farking REFUNDS each year!  Reset the tax code to 1952 standards and we'd have all the money we'd need to tackle COVID.  We'd have a shiatload to invest in infrastructure (which benefits everyone), where social distancing rules wouldn't be much of an issue (and wearing a mask properly could be an OSHA rule that is STRICTLY enforced, with jail time for supervisors who ignore the rules).  All the money invested in infrastructure trickles its way UP the chain, not down.

Downside is that while we'd have the money to fix a lot of bridges and roads, there are not enough Americans willing to do that kind of work.  Enlisting young folks into CCC and WPA style programs would be a good step; get kids out of their comfort zone and let them see a little bit of the country.
 
2021-01-17 11:51:37 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Don't worry Americans. Lifespan dropped by 1 year, but that happened to be last year, so if you made it this far, you're still good for the full distance originally stamped on your ticket.


Yeah....I don't need 2020 in my collection.
 
2021-01-17 1:38:47 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Don't worry Americans. Lifespan dropped by 1 year, but that happened to be last year, so if you made it this far, you're still good for the full distance originally stamped on your ticket.


Not so much so for those of us with lingering shortness of  breath after our bouts of pneumonia.
 
2021-01-17 3:55:43 PM  
I wonder what the drop in life expectancy is due to COVID hitting ancients the hardest.

If your base stat includes the people who are older than the average life expectancy and they're suddenly not there, the average is going to drop. But isn't that an artificial drop? The people coming up don't suddenly have a lower life expectancy because lots of the people 75 and above kicked the bucket.
 
2021-01-17 4:34:20 PM  
Back in April, some people in my town who are asshat deniers would post all of this garbage on community forums claiming that all we need is herd immunity so we shouldn't do anything.

I made the point that one of the biggest problems is mutation. The longer we take to stamp this out, the more chance that will happen. Aaaaaand here we are.

I'm so farking sick of these morons and their maga science denying bullshiat.
 
2021-01-17 6:51:42 PM  
How to reopen (knowing other variants are possible in 2021, 2022, 2023 etc.)

How about you listen to the FARKING EXPERTS?!??

How We Reopen
Youtube HhRQxk9QA-o
 
2021-01-17 9:05:12 PM  

dukeblue219: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Silver lining: the initial virus was sequenced and the mRNA candidate vaccine was ready for testing in March.

But we're going to have repurpose big parts of every countries' industry to finally produce enough vaccine geared to the regional variants.

Then we can start holding conservative scum down and jabbing them all.

Seriously, what percentage of our economy did we devote to WWII? I know it was a ton. With COVID 19 producing a WWII's worth of fatalities each year AND disrupting our workforce it seems like we should be going all in at this point.

God I hope Biden can get us focused on a national effort against COVID. I want my kids to know what playgrounds are like :(


Your kids will be fine. Grandma and grandpa, not so much.
 
2021-01-17 9:06:27 PM  

MikeyFuccon: To put that into perspective:

The 1918 flu caused US life expectancy to drop by a good TWELVE years.

Eliminating HIV deaths would raise US life expectancy by maybe 0.2 years.

So COVID-19 is not as deadly as Spanish flu, no. It's "only" five or six times as deadly as AIDS.


To be honest, AIDS is spread a little differently....
 
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