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(Some Climber Guy)   The last of the 8,000 meter peaks has been climbed in winter. K2 is climbed by 10 Sherpas and Nepalis   (alanarnette.com) divider line
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2021-01-16 12:34:55 PM  
I just want to say how weird this word is:

climbed

I mean you could stare it at a for more than 10 minutes, and it's klimbbd-ded.  Klimbdded-ed.  The ms and ds and bs are incidental.  If you wanted a word to spell /klimet/, you wouldn't put a b or d in there. I blame the Germans.
 
2021-01-16 12:41:44 PM  
In recent years, the Sherpas have sought to be recognized as world-class climbers in their own right.

As they should.   As they have been for a very long time.
 
2021-01-16 12:43:15 PM  
Ok, but how much trash, piss and shiat did you leave on the mountain to achieve this? I used to respect these climbers of Mt Everest and K2 when I was a kid until I learned so many of them are littering assholes who have little regard for the planet. I hold them in the same regard as "big game hunters" who spend untold amount of money to travel to some remote uninhabited land just to murder a race species for a  photo op.
 
2021-01-16 12:44:45 PM  

styckx: Ok, but how much trash, piss and shiat did you leave on the mountain to achieve this? I used to respect these climbers of Mt Everest and K2 when I was a kid until I learned so many of them are littering assholes who have little regard for the planet. I hold them in the same regard as "big game hunters" who spend untold amount of money to travel to some remote uninhabited land just to murder a race species for a  photo op.


Uhm...it is the Sherpas who have been removing the trash (and some bodies).
 
2021-01-16 12:46:00 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: styckx: Ok, but how much trash, piss and shiat did you leave on the mountain to achieve this? I used to respect these climbers of Mt Everest and K2 when I was a kid until I learned so many of them are littering assholes who have little regard for the planet. I hold them in the same regard as "big game hunters" who spend untold amount of money to travel to some remote uninhabited land just to murder a race species for a  photo op.

Uhm...it is the Sherpas who have been removing the trash (and some bodies).


That's the point. I'm making. The climbers are assholes who have no regard for anything except to brag "they did it".. Meanwhile the poor Sherpas are left to clean up their trash.. I hate everything about this..
 
2021-01-16 12:56:11 PM  
Well that's certainly deserving of the Newsflash tag.
 
2021-01-16 1:12:41 PM  

syrynxx: I just want to say how weird this word is:

climbed

I mean you could stare it at a for more than 10 minutes, and it's klimbbd-ded.  Klimbdded-ed.  The ms and ds and bs are incidental.  If you wanted a word to spell /klimet/, you wouldn't put a b or d in there. I blame the Germans.


It's from the Latin- Clim Bed which means "to pointlessly ascend a wall because there are stairs on the other side of the building".  Over time it's been adapted to mean going up any obstacle.
 
2021-01-16 1:24:12 PM  
Amazing photos from the summit

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2021-01-16 2:07:56 PM  

make me some tea: Amazing photos from the summit

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There is NO traffic on that interstate.
 
2021-01-16 2:59:09 PM  

make me some tea: Amazing photos from the summit

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I think those are Alan Arnette's photos from his 2014 climb (summer).

I'm very glad that the final winter 8,000M peak was climbed by Nepalis/Sherpas!
 
2021-01-16 4:17:10 PM  
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2021-01-16 4:19:44 PM  
Why bother? You can take a helicopter now!

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2021-01-16 4:20:06 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: In recent years, the Sherpas have sought to be recognized as world-class climbers in their own right.

As they should.   As they have been for a very long time.


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2021-01-16 4:22:37 PM  
Dang it! I was going to do that next weekend, but my ice axe isn't back from the sharpener guy at REI yet.
 
2021-01-16 4:22:43 PM  
What is this 'meter' witchery that you speak of?
 
2021-01-16 4:26:29 PM  
Whoopieee. You got to the top of a big rock. You special.
 
2021-01-16 4:26:35 PM  
K2 is brutal. Just thinking about it makes me glad I'm wrapped up in a sweater, under a blanket, under a cat.

Also, many mountaineers consider it more difficult to climb the seven second highest peaks on each continent rather than the seven highest. A big part of that is K2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_S​e​cond_Summits
 
2021-01-16 4:26:40 PM  
So, by this time next month it'll have a Starbucks?
 
2021-01-16 4:28:32 PM  
 
2021-01-16 4:31:14 PM  

styckx: The climbers are assholes who have no regard for anything except to brag "they did it".. Meanwhile the poor Sherpas are left to clean up their trash.. I hate everything about this..


They're paid.  They don't have a lot of job options and not climbing wouldn't fix that situation.
 
2021-01-16 4:31:22 PM  
Fritz would have made it sans O2 in 1939 which would have changed high altitude forever.

Hermann would bag the first 8,000 alone, no O2,and forced bivy in 1954.

there would have been a lot less trash and far fewer people up there.
 
2021-01-16 4:32:14 PM  
So your telling me they got he Ultimate high?

/better not be obscure.
 
2021-01-16 4:36:14 PM  
 
2021-01-16 5:00:07 PM  

styckx: Ok, but how much trash, piss and shiat did you leave on the mountain to achieve this? I used to respect these climbers of Mt Everest and K2 when I was a kid until I learned so many of them are littering assholes who have little regard for the planet. I hold them in the same regard as "big game hunters" who spend untold amount of money to travel to some remote uninhabited land just to murder a race species for a  photo op.


A big part of the reason for the trash is that you really have ZERO energy reserve to deal with it. Your entire attention had better be focused on going up and getting down alive; getting down with all your fingers and toes is just a bonus.

Yeah, the trash is a problem, but with Whitey bringing in a few million a year to the economy, you have competing interests. However, even the bureaucrats admit something needs to be done. Personally, I'd require every climber to spend a season hauling trash before they get their climbing permit, but even that has its limits. The high camps are just too extreme to spend time collecting and bringing down air bottles and such. They leave bodies where they lay because it doesn't make much sense to risk one's life to recover a body. The religious issues surrounding the bodies, body parts, and human waste just complicate matters.

Triple the permit fee so that young Sherpa have an incentive to stay in the mountains, vs heading to Katmandu or other cities.

Honestly, I doubt there was as much trash as you might imagine. The Sherpa are better acclimated, so less need for supplemental air.

Things like fixed ropes, ladders, etc., will always be a problem. Again, why risk your life to retrieve that stuff?

They need something like Big Dog, a semi-autonomous bot that can handle the terrain and carry a large load. Getting batteries to work in those temps will be a challenge, but it's solvable. Maybe someone needs to establish another X Prize to recover trash from extreme environments, including hi- radiation environments.
 
2021-01-16 5:01:24 PM  
I've been around Fark for 17 years, and just realized its my first Greenlit!!!

/just like climbing K2 in winter!
 
2021-01-16 5:03:55 PM  

styckx: Dewey Fidalgo: styckx: Ok, but how much trash, piss and shiat did you leave on the mountain to achieve this? I used to respect these climbers of Mt Everest and K2 when I was a kid until I learned so many of them are littering assholes who have little regard for the planet. I hold them in the same regard as "big game hunters" who spend untold amount of money to travel to some remote uninhabited land just to murder a race species for a  photo op.

Uhm...it is the Sherpas who have been removing the trash (and some bodies).

That's the point. I'm making. The climbers are assholes who have no regard for anything except to brag "they did it".. Meanwhile the poor Sherpas are left to clean up their trash.. I hate everything about this..


The climbers are well aware of the problem. Again, the issue is trying to collect that stuff at 27-28k ft, in 100 km/hr winds when it's -50C, and get it down without dying. Sherpa aren't immune to the effects of high altitude.
 
2021-01-16 5:14:04 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Why bother? You can take a helicopter now!

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Keep in mind that if the helicopter crashes, you're gonna die. If not from the crash itself, then from not acclimating. There may be bottled oxygen at the crash site, but you simply don't have enough red blood cells to transport enough O2 to keep you alive.

Col. Madan K.C. knew that when he pulled Beck Weathers and Macalu Gau (sp.?) out of Camp 3 or 4 back in 2011 or so (same disaster that killed Scott Fisher and others).

"K.C." stands for "Khatri Chettri". They're the warrior clan/caste of Nepal, just as the Sherpa are the climbers.
 
2021-01-16 5:23:36 PM  

styckx: Ok, but how much trash, piss and shiat did you leave on the mountain to achieve this? I used to respect these climbers of Mt Everest and K2 when I was a kid until I learned so many of them are littering assholes who have little regard for the planet. I hold them in the same regard as "big game hunters" who spend untold amount of money to travel to some remote uninhabited land just to murder a race species for a  photo op.


No different than the pilgrims my friend. Christopher Columbus. Manifest destiny.
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2021-01-16 5:50:13 PM  

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2021-01-16 6:27:54 PM  

styckx: Ok, but how much trash, piss and shiat did you leave on the mountain to achieve this? I used to respect these climbers of Mt Everest and K2 when I was a kid until I learned so many of them are littering assholes who have little regard for the planet. I hold them in the same regard as "big game hunters" who spend untold amount of money to travel to some remote uninhabited land just to murder a race species for a  photo op.


The climbers in this instance are Sherpas. They aren't rich assholes who traveled thousands of miles to be dragged up a mountain by Sherpas, they are Sherpas, and wanted to do this to get some recognition as the great mountaineers they are.
 
2021-01-16 6:37:22 PM  
Big deal.  I skied the K-12.
 
2021-01-16 6:44:28 PM  

indy_kid: Col. Madan K.C. knew that when he pulled Beck Weathers and Macalu Gau (sp.?) out of Camp 3 or 4 back in 2011 or so (same disaster that killed Scott Fisher and others).


1996.  2011 is when you read Into Thin Air.
 
2021-01-16 7:57:18 PM  
I think any of the climbers of the 8k'ers will tell you that K2 is the most difficult climb of them all. To do it in winter is crazy.

/ Annapurna being the most deadly by far due to avalanche risk
 
2021-01-16 8:09:33 PM  

Abox: indy_kid: Col. Madan K.C. knew that when he pulled Beck Weathers and Macalu Gau (sp.?) out of Camp 3 or 4 back in 2011 or so (same disaster that killed Scott Fisher and others).

1996.  2011 is when you read Into Thin Air.


I'll recommend that book to anyone even remotely interested in mountain climbing. I think I read the whole book in almost a day, which is really fast for me. Another I recommend (from someone who was also there in'96) is No Shortcuts to the Top.

/ they aren't LNT endeavours, but these people are superhuman
 
2021-01-16 8:16:43 PM  
It would cost about $2 billion to build a bond villain style hotel on the top of Mt Lhotse including a mined out cog railway to get to the top.  From there it would be trivial to get to the top of Everest using the same construction techniques.   It wouldn't even be in the top 20 most expensive hotels.
 
2021-01-16 8:23:17 PM  
Tourism has its positives and negatives.   Get on a plane to go to Disney, that is a fairly big carbon footprint to see a mouse and enjoy a roller coaster.  I find it hard to direct anger at any particular tourist endeavor, sure better clean up should be enforced but cleanup is more difficult here than anywhere else in the world.  Just how clean are any other tourist destinations?

Average income in Nepal is $700 a year.  A top Sherpa can make over 5K before bonuses.  Are they underpaid, I would say yes, are Disney workers underpaid, probably. Are most tourism employees underpaid anywhere in the world, probably.

As far as Sherpa climbing ability, well it cannot be beat.  Generations of genetics of being a high altitude people providing a low mass individual with greater lung capacity larger heart and arteries is the key.

Sherpa are the first to summit every year on all the tourist peaks when they fix the lines.
 
2021-01-16 8:53:13 PM  

ShavedOrangutan: syrynxx: I just want to say how weird this word is:

climbed

It's from the Latin- Clim Bed which means "to pointlessly ascend a wall because there are stairs on the other side of the building".  Over time it's been adapted to mean going up any obstacle.


I laughed so hard at this I snorted. Thanks!
 
2021-01-17 1:09:10 AM  

Diocletian's Last Cabbage: What is this 'meter' witchery that you speak of?


a unit of distance, or height.
8000 meters is the beginning of the "death zone", where human beings literally begin to die.. Thus, the 14 8000 meter peaks that exist are considered the jewels of the climbing community.  You may think it is stupid, but it is considered a great prize to summit even one.

K2 is the deadliest mountain in the world. To summit it in winter is an astounding feat.
 
2021-01-17 1:25:45 AM  
Sorry, did I miss something? I was taking a nap on the top of a cliff...
 
2021-01-17 2:54:24 AM  
That's got to be about a 1,000,000 on the hiking trail rating system. I don't think I'll ever complain about a 5% grade with a light dusting of snow again.
 
2021-01-17 3:34:21 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: make me some tea: Amazing photos from the summit
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There is NO traffic on that interstate.


That's one reason Everest has become so deadly - traffic jams at some of the critical points near the summit, already up in or near the death zone.  You don't get a lot of days a year that the weather's feasible for climbing, so it's usually about a week in May.

Friend of a friend didn't come back from climbing in the Himalayas.  I don't remember if it was K2 or just one of the other tall ones in that area.
 
2021-01-17 5:36:31 AM  
K2 is an awful, terrible name for a mountain. It's like a scientific name for something that nobody could come up with a real name for
 
2021-01-17 10:42:41 AM  

bobadooey: K2 is an awful, terrible name for a mountain. It's like a scientific name for something that nobody could come up with a real name for


K2 is part of the Karakoram  mountain range, and they all have "real" names.  The English gave it the name "Mount Godwin Austen" for the peak's first surveyor.  Westerns can't be bothered to learn the Nepalese names, so they go with the number instead.

/Is "K-19" a bad name for a submarine?
 
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