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2021-01-16 1:47:50 AM  
Anyone have a problem with letting weapons decide what to destroy?
 
2021-01-16 2:04:58 AM  
This doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
 
2021-01-16 2:10:22 AM  
Sci-Fi Short Film "Slaughterbots" | DUST
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this is a cautionary tale.
 
2021-01-16 2:10:55 AM  

Sgygus: Anyone have a problem with letting weapons decide what to destroy?


I'd like to have a discussion.... Before this kind if technology ends up in the hands of our police forces.
 
2021-01-16 2:25:16 AM  
You know, it would almost be wasteful of us *not* to extinguish humanity with amazing weapons.  Like Wilt Chamberlain seeing his first basketball game and saying "nah, I'm good."
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2021-01-16 6:43:54 AM  
While self targeting is kinda inevitable, the comms between them is a very good idea since this means that rather than getting a single perspective on topography, you get multiple, meaning that you can get a drastic increase in accuracy, orders of magnitude, and even if the opposing force manages to deploy costly and expensive jamming technology the worst case is they go back to behaving like regular bombs.
 
2021-01-16 7:25:09 AM  
"Golden Horde does not utilize artificial intelligence"

maybe some smarter people can help here, but how is the bomb able to ID targets in the field?

Computer Vision?  if so, then AI is most definitely being used at some level.  Is it sensitive enough to correctly ID a new threat vs. civilian entity?

Is the idea to just shoot missiles into an active area and not worry about target selection in general by war planners?

One advantage I see is if you send three missiles at one target and the first missile is successful in destroying the target, then the other two can engage something else while they are just visiting the neighborhood.
 
2021-01-16 7:27:30 AM  
Yes, but are they teaching them phenomenology?
 
2021-01-16 7:33:32 AM  
You want Skynet? This is how [etc...]
 
2021-01-16 7:37:38 AM  
Wow, was that meant to be an obscure reference to a movie where it's clear part of the space suit was a muffin tin?
 
2021-01-16 7:44:58 AM  

wildcardjack: Wow, was that meant to be an obscure reference to a movie where it's clear part of the space suit was a muffin tin?


Yes.
 
2021-01-16 7:49:58 AM  
Is Roxann Dawson doing the missile's voice?
 
2021-01-16 8:12:05 AM  

Hyjamon: "Golden Horde does not utilize artificial intelligence"

maybe some smarter people can help here, but how is the bomb able to ID targets in the field?

Computer Vision?  if so, then AI is most definitely being used at some level.  Is it sensitive enough to correctly ID a new threat vs. civilian entity?

Is the idea to just shoot missiles into an active area and not worry about target selection in general by war planners?

One advantage I see is if you send three missiles at one target and the first missile is successful in destroying the target, then the other two can engage something else while they are just visiting the neighborhood.


Seems like you would want to try to fool that into thinking a corn field is a high value target so they don't hit the real target.
 
2021-01-16 8:47:19 AM  
Antiloop - Purpose In Life
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2021-01-16 8:51:11 AM  
Darkstar - Bomb 20 Decides
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2021-01-16 9:04:28 AM  
Lovely headline, subby.

For along time, I thought I was the only one who'd seen the movie. Every time I talked about, no one else admitted to seeing- or even hearing about- Darkstar.
 
2021-01-16 9:13:33 AM  
The Dark Star reference is already set by Smitty. Continue on.
 
2021-01-16 9:23:16 AM  
And I though having a smoke/CO detector that yells "Fire" or "CO" was bad.
 
2021-01-16 10:07:31 AM  

OK So Amuse Me: This doesn't sound like a good idea to me.


It depends. Give them a list of targets to choose from and restrict them to that discrete list, fine.

Let them identify and choose new targets, no.
 
2021-01-16 10:08:20 AM  

blastoh: Sgygus: Anyone have a problem with letting weapons decide what to destroy?

I'd like to have a discussion.... Before this kind if technology ends up in the hands of our police forces.


The AI will determine that the cops are the higher threat to public safety and their own weapons will turn on them.
 
2021-01-16 10:12:23 AM  
 Leave me out of this.
 
2021-01-16 10:40:03 AM  
"LEEEEEEEEEEEROY JEEEEEENKINS!!!!"
*BOOM*
 
2021-01-16 10:46:36 AM  
Red vs Blue - Andy the Bomb
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2021-01-16 11:13:12 AM  

Hyjamon: "Golden Horde does not utilize artificial intelligence"

maybe some smarter people can help here, but how is the bomb able to ID targets in the field?

Computer Vision?  if so, then AI is most definitely being used at some level.  Is it sensitive enough to correctly ID a new threat vs. civilian entity?

Is the idea to just shoot missiles into an active area and not worry about target selection in general by war planners?

One advantage I see is if you send three missiles at one target and the first missile is successful in destroying the target, then the other two can engage something else while they are just visiting the neighborhood.


It seems like it's just a matter of setting priority criteria in a potentially target-rich environment, based on what a bomb's sensors (or even separate sensors, say, on a drone) might detect on a second-by-second basis.  Like if an enemy general gets on the radio and the transmission is detected, maybe that's a better target than a power station.  Or, an unseen anti-aircraft radar site goes active.  Or a known terrorist makes a phone call.

Basically, it's just programming the bombs to know when their sensors detect something more important than whatever they're targeted on and giving them the ability to reaim themselves.
 
2021-01-16 11:34:02 AM  

Wenchmaster: Lovely headline, subby.

For along time, I thought I was the only one who'd seen the movie. Every time I talked about, no one else admitted to seeing- or even hearing about- Darkstar.


Same here!  I don't think I've ever known anyone else who has seen it.  I have it on VHS somewhere
 
2021-01-16 12:04:01 PM  
Do you want HACTAR? Because this is how you get HACTAR.
 
2021-01-16 12:07:44 PM  

Sgygus: Anyone have a problem with letting weapons decide what to destroy?


We've been doing that since the first time a "guidance package" was installed on a weapon.

The disturbing truth is, we are better off letting the weapons decide what to destroy.  A "smart" weapon is simply one that can better distinguish a target from a non-target.  Your simple gravity bomb was the ultimate in "dumb" weapons--its target was the ground; not much thought needed there.  Then we added guidance fins to make weapons hit the targets we pointed them at more accurately.  Then we added sensors and servos that allowed them to "see" their targets and adjust their course to aim still more accurately.  Then we added more and more sophisticated decision-making software to ensure the weapon would only hit a bone fide target.

The whole point of this is (1) to not waste valuable ordnance on non-targets, and (2) reduce the collateral damage from ordnance hitting said non-targets.  When we talk about "smart" weapons, we're talking about weapons that are better at target selection than "dumb" ones.  The better the target selection, the more effective the combat and with less collateral damage.

Eventually--and we are just about here now--the weapons are going to be better at target selection than human beings.  When that happens, NOT using weapons that can do their own target selection will cause more collateral damage than using ones that let them.  The "smart" bomb becomes the humane alternative.
 
2021-01-16 12:16:05 PM  
John Cleese the bomb - Starship Titanic
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2021-01-16 1:03:19 PM  

Sgygus: Anyone have a problem with letting weapons decide what to destroy?


No. They're already falling toward a war zone.
 
2021-01-16 1:18:08 PM  

WelldeadLink: Sgygus: Anyone have a problem with letting weapons decide what to destroy?

No. They're already falling toward a war zone.


Hi.
innocent people live in warzones not of their making.
 
2021-01-16 1:42:13 PM  
"In the test, two precision glide bombs identified a higher-priority target than one to which they were assigned. The new technology will make it possible for weapons to set their own targeting priorities on a fast-moving battlefield."

Like when you're trying to bomb an Iraqi wedding, and one of the munitions spots a school nearby. A human operator might not be able to retask quickly enough, but the smart bomb will nail those kids 8 times out of 10...
 
2021-01-16 4:13:04 PM  
So this concept in TFA will work just fine ... until enemies develop the ability to interfere with the smart-bomb communications network as they're enroute to target.

"Launch."

"Copy. We have one-six payloads outbound to target. Splash in four point three minutes."

"Roger. Primary target is enemy tank column engaging friendly defensive positions near bridge three four alpha whiskey seven."

"Copy. System track shows clean. Expect enemy jamming in one minute."

"Already happening. What's the effect on payload tracks?"

"Payloads are diverting course slightly. Sensors must have detected higher-priority targets."

"There is nothing near the target tank column except friendly defensive positions."

"Final course deviation detected. Splash. Report payload status."

"That enemy tank column no longer has to worry about the friendly defenses."
 
2021-01-16 5:26:34 PM  
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2021-01-16 6:25:01 PM  
+1 subby
 
2021-01-16 6:29:55 PM  
Their communication will be one of the foundations of fully networked environments that allow for automated vehicles and the elimination of human drivers. Good development.
 
2021-01-16 8:39:25 PM  

KB202: Their communication will be one of the foundations of fully networked environments that allow for automated vehicles and the elimination of human drivers. Good development.


"Untargeted pedestrian on the right."
 
2021-01-16 8:43:16 PM  

RolandTGunner: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/g_47mmt5​SZY]


You beat me to this!  Well done!
 
2021-01-16 8:46:38 PM  
It's your turn to feed the alien.
 
2021-01-16 9:43:24 PM  
Welp, if'n the bomb is so smart, then why spend forty eleven million dollars on an F-35 when a Cessna for tree fitty will do?
 
2021-01-16 10:00:17 PM  
When asked how the net amount of entropy of the universe can be massively decreased, the bomb answered merely "THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."
 
2021-01-16 10:23:14 PM  
Wasnt there a Star Trek: TNG episode about weapons that were too smart?
 
2021-01-17 9:12:45 AM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Welp, if'n the bomb is so smart, then why spend forty eleven million dollars on an F-35 when a Cessna for tree fitty will do?


You can't even buy a tiny model Cessna for tree fitty.
 
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