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2021-01-16 12:07:50 AM  
Naturally, this won't change our deadline for filing...
 
2021-01-16 12:09:36 AM  
Crap, I forgot to take notes.
 
2021-01-16 12:10:26 AM  
Submitter, did you remember to write off your loss of prepositions?
 
2021-01-16 12:13:34 AM  
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2021-01-16 12:15:55 AM  
Can I just pay $750 and call it even?
 
2021-01-16 12:17:06 AM  
translation- they don't have the funds to process all the refunds.
 
2021-01-16 12:18:19 AM  
I'm still waiting for my 2019 refund. Suck it, H&R Block.
 
2021-01-16 12:23:36 AM  

Madman drummers bummers: Naturally, this won't change our deadline for filing...


So, you fill out all your forms in January and then wait until April to file them?  i think you are in a vanishingly small niche.  Not to mention, unless you are dragging yourself to the Post Office by your eyelashes, three feweer weeks for your mid-file hiatus isn't going to affect you.
 
2021-01-16 12:24:45 AM  
I just run everything through the TurboTax wizard, pay the extra $29 or whatever for the "plausible deniability" coverage and let nature take its course.

/#117 of the things I miss about Hong Kong... it takes about ten minutes to do your taxes, and four of them are spent trying to remember the password for the site.
 
2021-01-16 12:26:24 AM  

phalamir: Madman drummers bummers: Naturally, this won't change our deadline for filing...

So, you fill out all your forms in January and then wait until April to file them?  i think you are in a vanishingly small niche.  Not to mention, unless you are dragging yourself to the Post Office by your eyelashes, three feweer weeks for your mid-file hiatus isn't going to affect you.


Yeah, it was mostly just me making a joke.

But honestly, yes, I generally wait until the very last minute to file because I always end up owing money (by design), and I'd rather keep said money as long as I legally can. That extra three cents in savings account interest really helps!
 
2021-01-16 12:31:30 AM  
I would typically say that refunds are for chumps, but who tf knows this year?
 
2021-01-16 12:32:21 AM  
The IRS runs an outdated system, is understaffed, and changes can take 60-90 days to allow for testing of said system, depending upon what change is being made and what staff are doing it.

Is anyone surprised?
 
2021-01-16 12:32:35 AM  

Madman drummers bummers: phalamir: Madman drummers bummers: Naturally, this won't change our deadline for filing...

So, you fill out all your forms in January and then wait until April to file them?  i think you are in a vanishingly small niche.  Not to mention, unless you are dragging yourself to the Post Office by your eyelashes, three feweer weeks for your mid-file hiatus isn't going to affect you.

Yeah, it was mostly just me making a joke.

But honestly, yes, I generally wait until the very last minute to file because I always end up owing money (by design), and I'd rather keep said money as long as I legally can. That extra three cents in savings account interest really helps!


Three cents? Look at Mr. Monocle over here!
 
2021-01-16 12:34:09 AM  

wantingout: translation- they don't have the funds to process all the refunds.


"I'd like to give a shout out to my homies in China. For loaning us back our US dollars so we can issues refunds."
 
2021-01-16 12:37:22 AM  

BretMavrik: I just run everything through the TurboTax wizard, pay the extra $29 or whatever for the "plausible deniability" coverage and let nature take its course.

/#117 of the things I miss about Hong Kong... it takes about ten minutes to do your taxes, and four of them are spent trying to remember the password for the site.


If you're making $250,000 a year or more, don't do that. There are so many itemized deductions that a tax preparer will miss which would cost you a ton. Hell, I did the taxes for my cousin who I sponsored and she didn't know she could write off living expenses. The readin's a bit dry, but there's not much else to do.
 
2021-01-16 1:03:19 AM  
I spent a good part of today trying to get ahold of a real person at the IRS.

I never received the entirety of the first stimulus. In fact I received less than $200. I have not seen the second one yet. I just want to know why. I am not in arrears. My dad makes quite a bit more money than I do and got the full stimulus. What the heck is going on?

This explains why I couldn't get through.

/website wouldn't even let me access it
 
2021-01-16 1:14:27 AM  
So... More illegitimate corporate tax welfare for billionaires?
 
2021-01-16 1:24:44 AM  
The Sixteenth Amendment is a curse upon this country.
 
2021-01-16 1:26:10 AM  

Left Leg: I would typically say that refunds are for chumps, but who tf knows this year?


Meh. What's my lost opportunity?  If we overpay by $50/week, we're due a refund of $2600. That sort of amount would just end up in savings where we're earning peanuts.

On the other hand, two years ago we got slammed when something went screwy with the big "tax cut" - both our employers changed our withholding based on guidance from the IRS. Paychecks looked a bit bigger, but owed the IRS a significant amount come tax time, paid a penalty and got an invitation to file quarterly if we can't seem withhold the correct amount.  I'd rather Sammy owe me a little than me owe him a lot.
 
2021-01-16 1:27:41 AM  

Ringshadow: I spent a good part of today trying to get ahold of a real person at the IRS.

I never received the entirety of the first stimulus. In fact I received less than $200. I have not seen the second one yet. I just want to know why. I am not in arrears. My dad makes quite a bit more money than I do and got the full stimulus. What the heck is going on?

This explains why I couldn't get through.

/website wouldn't even let me access it


I'm really sorry if this is condescending, but you know it's not really a stimulus. That money comes out of the next tax return or it'll need to be paid back.
 
2021-01-16 1:39:14 AM  

TheFoz: The IRS runs an outdated system, is understaffed, and changes can take 60-90 days to allow for testing of said system, depending upon what change is being made and what staff are doing it.

Is anyone surprised?


COBOL?
 
2021-01-16 1:41:43 AM  

Mugato: I'm still waiting for my 2019 refund. Suck it, H&R Block.


Fyi, you skipped my links showing that you were wrong about the IRS budget and staffing.

After accusing me of having a hidden bias and lying...

Did you read them and not reply or just miss them?
 
2021-01-16 1:42:36 AM  
/shrug I always wait until October anyway.
 
2021-01-16 1:45:13 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Ringshadow: I spent a good part of today trying to get ahold of a real person at the IRS.

I never received the entirety of the first stimulus. In fact I received less than $200. I have not seen the second one yet. I just want to know why. I am not in arrears. My dad makes quite a bit more money than I do and got the full stimulus. What the heck is going on?

This explains why I couldn't get through.

/website wouldn't even let me access it

I'm really sorry if this is condescending, but you know it's not really a stimulus. That money comes out of the next tax return or it'll need to be paid back.


Nope
 
2021-01-16 1:49:01 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Submitter, did you remember to write off your loss of prepositions?


Maybe there were 27 tax law changes made in December.
 
2021-01-16 1:49:16 AM  

phalamir: Ragin' Asian: Ringshadow: I spent a good part of today trying to get ahold of a real person at the IRS.

I never received the entirety of the first stimulus. In fact I received less than $200. I have not seen the second one yet. I just want to know why. I am not in arrears. My dad makes quite a bit more money than I do and got the full stimulus. What the heck is going on?

This explains why I couldn't get through.

/website wouldn't even let me access it

I'm really sorry if this is condescending, but you know it's not really a stimulus. That money comes out of the next tax return or it'll need to be paid back.

Nope


Marketwatch has been wrong about everything they've posted. I'll cite reputable sources once I've sobered up.
 
2021-01-16 1:50:47 AM  

phalamir: Madman drummers bummers: Naturally, this won't change our deadline for filing...

So, you fill out all your forms in January and then wait until April to file them?  i think you are in a vanishingly small niche.  Not to mention, unless you are dragging yourself to the Post Office by your eyelashes, three feweer weeks for your mid-file hiatus isn't going to affect you.


Oh, you're cute.

I don't work 80 hours a week in April because everyone files as soon as they can.
 
2021-01-16 1:52:24 AM  

Smackledorfer: Mugato: I'm still waiting for my 2019 refund. Suck it, H&R Block.

Fyi, you skipped my links showing that you were wrong about the IRS budget and staffing.

After accusing me of having a hidden bias and lying...

Did you read them and not reply or just miss them?


I think you got the wrong guy.
 
2021-01-16 1:54:09 AM  

Ringshadow: I spent a good part of today trying to get ahold of a real person at the IRS.

I never received the entirety of the first stimulus. In fact I received less than $200. I have not seen the second one yet. I just want to know why. I am not in arrears. My dad makes quite a bit more money than I do and got the full stimulus. What the heck is going on?

This explains why I couldn't get through.

/website wouldn't even let me access it


No, that's just standard IRS phone service. They're good people, just terribly underfunded. They still have to communicate via fax!
 
2021-01-16 1:54:52 AM  

Mugato: Smackledorfer: Mugato: I'm still waiting for my 2019 refund. Suck it, H&R Block.

Fyi, you skipped my links showing that you were wrong about the IRS budget and staffing.

After accusing me of having a hidden bias and lying...

Did you read them and not reply or just miss them?

I think you got the wrong guy.


Could be.

I swear it was you claiming their budget was increased and they bumped their staffing up in the past decade.

Oh well. Mybad.
 
2021-01-16 1:56:21 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Ringshadow: I spent a good part of today trying to get ahold of a real person at the IRS.

I never received the entirety of the first stimulus. In fact I received less than $200. I have not seen the second one yet. I just want to know why. I am not in arrears. My dad makes quite a bit more money than I do and got the full stimulus. What the heck is going on?

This explains why I couldn't get through.

/website wouldn't even let me access it

I'm really sorry if this is condescending, but you know it's not really a stimulus. That money comes out of the next tax return or it'll need to be paid back.


You are condescending and wrong. The stimulus does not come out of your refund in the following year nor do you have to pay it back. If you didn't receive a stimulus check or didn't get what you were qualified for you can get the 2020 Recovery Rebate Credit. The stimulus check you receive offsets your eligibility for that credit.

And the only time you can write off living expenses is if you are on a non permanent work related assignment that is not reimbursed . Currently you have to be self employed, a nonpassive partner in a partnership, or a nonpassive Sub-S Corp shareholder to take that deduction as it was eliminated in 2018 as an itemized deduction.
 
2021-01-16 2:03:10 AM  

Ringshadow: I spent a good part of today trying to get ahold of a real person at the IRS.

I never received the entirety of the first stimulus. In fact I received less than $200. I have not seen the second one yet. I just want to know why. I am not in arrears. My dad makes quite a bit more money than I do and got the full stimulus. What the heck is going on?

This explains why I couldn't get through.

/website wouldn't even let me access it


If you want to talk to to someone you have to get up early. Try calling at 7:00 AM local time. Past 8:30 AM forget it. I don't know the numbers from their budget but I work with them with clients. I can tell you they are understaffed. It's getting worse every year.
 
2021-01-16 2:09:47 AM  
I was on furlough without a paycheck for six weeks in 2020. I have no idea what that's going to do to my taxes but I know it's not going to be in my favor.
 
2021-01-16 2:20:00 AM  

Mugato: Smackledorfer: Mugato: I'm still waiting for my 2019 refund. Suck it, H&R Block.

Fyi, you skipped my links showing that you were wrong about the IRS budget and staffing.

After accusing me of having a hidden bias and lying...

Did you read them and not reply or just miss them?

I think you got the wrong guy.


Nope, I don't.  I knew I didn't... It was only a couple weeks ago. I just had to get off mobile so I could actually properly search an older fark history (fark doesn't play nice on my phone off mobile and is a PITA) and look up my own browser history on my PC.

https://www.fark.com/comments/1106501​8​/House-passes-$2000-stimulus-check-inc​rease-sends-it-to-Senate-to-die-a-horr​ible-death#new

https://apnews.com/article/aad7a3baaf​3​38272c157bae07668ed43

https://www.irs.gov/statistics/irs-bu​d​get-and-workforce

I linked those to you in response to this pile of bullshiat:

"Oh please, the IRS hired 10,000 new people in the last few years. Even if that's not enough people, you can't tell me they can't hire people to write some decent software to handle this shiat. I filed my income tax, the simplest form possible with no deductions. I can't get a hold of them. If I'm late with my taxes they Wesley Snipe my ass.

I don't know what your reasoning is behind making excuses for these people but it's bullshiat
." - Mugato


Weird you'd forget that, especially since I gave you proof you were the one making shiat up a mere 6 minutes after you made your bullshiat claim.

So let me just say: I don't know what YOUR reasoning is beyond completely making shiat up, then lying about having done so later.
 
2021-01-16 2:25:41 AM  
*behind not beyond
 
2021-01-16 2:37:17 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: If you want to talk to to someone you have to get up early. Try calling at 7:00 AM local time. Past 8:30 AM forget it. I don't know the numbers from their budget but I work with them with clients. I can tell you they are understaffed. It's getting worse every year.


This, this is good advice! Thank you.
 
2021-01-16 3:14:31 AM  

TheFoz: The IRS runs an outdated system, is understaffed, and changes can take 60-90 days to allow for testing of said system, depending upon what change is being made and what staff are doing it.

Is anyone surprised?


Sounds like they need to simplify the tax code.  They are always "understaffed".  If they cannot get more staff, they need to change the other parts of the problem.

What would be the correct percentage of the US population for them to be properly staffed?  I bet no matter how large they become, they will always need more staff.  If they got more staff, they will want more complexity, requiring even more staff....... Then when 100% of the population works for the IRS, it still won't be enough.
 
2021-01-16 3:53:39 AM  
There are no "tax law changes", at least none that were enacted on December 27th. It's simply a matter of the IRS not being able to pay out disaster relief money and program their Commodore 64s for the upcoming tax season at the same time. TFA fails, and so does subby.
 
2021-01-16 4:06:09 AM  

BretMavrik: /#117 of the things I miss about Hong Kong... it takes about ten minutes to do your taxes, and four of them are spent trying to remember the password for the site.


I spoke with head of security for the NZ version of the IRS. Their laws says their goal is to get most automatic tax returns within $50 but they are closer to $5. People who need to file for complex reasons can still file but most people don't need to file at all. If you challenge their findings, not only do you have to pay any extra tax, you also have to pay for the audit.  They did have to make a number of tax law changes that removed most deductions that can't be electronically verified.  The IRS system for filing is just a mess.  The fact that companies make billions by forcing them selves into the system is just wrong.
 
2021-01-16 4:39:06 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: Ragin' Asian: Ringshadow: I spent a good part of today trying to get ahold of a real person at the IRS.

I never received the entirety of the first stimulus. In fact I received less than $200. I have not seen the second one yet. I just want to know why. I am not in arrears. My dad makes quite a bit more money than I do and got the full stimulus. What the heck is going on?

This explains why I couldn't get through.

/website wouldn't even let me access it

I'm really sorry if this is condescending, but you know it's not really a stimulus. That money comes out of the next tax return or it'll need to be paid back.

You are condescending and wrong. The stimulus does not come out of your refund in the following year nor do you have to pay it back. If you didn't receive a stimulus check or didn't get what you were qualified for you can get the 2020 Recovery Rebate Credit. The stimulus check you receive offsets your eligibility for that credit.

And the only time you can write off living expenses is if you are on a non permanent work related assignment that is not reimbursed . Currently you have to be self employed, a nonpassive partner in a partnership, or a nonpassive Sub-S Corp shareholder to take that deduction as it was eliminated in 2018 as an itemized deduction.


Maybe he's thinking of the social security tax "break".  States and private employers who followed Trump's EO and allowed their employees to skip their matching SS payroll tax are going to find that they owe a lot of money this April.  Thankfully most hourly wage workers have a lot of savings and should be able to cover up to a few thousand in back taxes plus potential penalties for owing too much.  No way that will go bad.
 
2021-01-16 5:14:48 AM  
I still haven't gotten my W-2 yet, I can get it off the website but I still like having the physical one for my files and have it there when I do my taxes. This year's taxes will be fun.
 
2021-01-16 5:39:01 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: TheFoz: The IRS runs an outdated system, is understaffed, and changes can take 60-90 days to allow for testing of said system, depending upon what change is being made and what staff are doing it.

Is anyone surprised?

Sounds like they need to simplify the tax code.  They are always "understaffed".  If they cannot get more staff, they need to change the other parts of the problem.

What would be the correct percentage of the US population for them to be properly staffed?  I bet no matter how large they become, they will always need more staff.  If they got more staff, they will want more complexity, requiring even more staff....... Then when 100% of the population works for the IRS, it still won't be enough.


Not sure how focusing on the proportion of the service population helps estimate the labor burden on this organization. I mean, those concepts are slightly related, but much of the work is automated so I would expect a low correlation.

To determine adequate staffing levels we have to look at the job the organization is charged with accomplishing. Every new law, regulation, and item of guidance requires someone to do the job. You want a slimmer workforce, don't ask them to perform as many tasks.

I just don't understand how the same people (not you, bud) that write complex laws with one hand complain about the size of bureaucracy with the other.
 
2021-01-16 8:08:49 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: The Sixteenth Amendment is a curse upon this country.


You're welcome to leave.

Or stop paying your taxes.  But then you get to have fun at the taxpayer expense in a federal prison.

Either way, you'll be gone, and we'll be glad.
 
2021-01-16 8:18:24 AM  
I still haven't gotten my tax refund from last year. I'm guessing if I owe this year, I'll still have to pay...
 
2021-01-16 8:23:48 AM  

pup.socket: TheFoz: The IRS runs an outdated system, is understaffed, and changes can take 60-90 days to allow for testing of said system, depending upon what change is being made and what staff are doing it.

Is anyone surprised?

COBOL?


Yes, COBOL.

The State of WI still has a bunch of agencies running programs that are COBOL based.  They are having a hard time finding programmers to keep the systems running because it's so outdated.  Look at WI DWD as a prime example.  But of course when Gov. Evers asked the Legislature for money to upgrade they just blamed his lack of leadership for the failure...
 
2021-01-16 8:29:01 AM  

TheFoz: pup.socket: TheFoz: The IRS runs an outdated system, is understaffed, and changes can take 60-90 days to allow for testing of said system, depending upon what change is being made and what staff are doing it.

Is anyone surprised?

COBOL?

Yes, COBOL.

The State of WI still has a bunch of agencies running programs that are COBOL based.  They are having a hard time finding programmers to keep the systems running because it's so outdated.  Look at WI DWD as a prime example.  But of course when Gov. Evers asked the Legislature for money to upgrade they just blamed his lack of leadership for the failure...


The financial world still runs on COBOL. That's not going to change for a while.
https://www.bmc.com/blogs/cobol-trend​s​/
 
2021-01-16 8:29:35 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: TheFoz: The IRS runs an outdated system, is understaffed, and changes can take 60-90 days to allow for testing of said system, depending upon what change is being made and what staff are doing it.

Is anyone surprised?

Sounds like they need to simplify the tax code.  They are always "understaffed".  If they cannot get more staff, they need to change the other parts of the problem.

What would be the correct percentage of the US population for them to be properly staffed?  I bet no matter how large they become, they will always need more staff.  If they got more staff, they will want more complexity, requiring even more staff....... Then when 100% of the population works for the IRS, it still won't be enough.


"They", I'm assuming you mean the IRS, cannot change the tax code.  That's up to Congress.

And yes they are understaffed, but they are also the agency that I'm assuming gets the most calls because the tax code is insanely complicated for many people.

Trust me, I'm all in favor of a simple tax code but this being America we know that will never happen.

/two cents
//six pence none the richer
///Go Pack Go
 
2021-01-16 8:34:48 AM  
Back in September the IRS notified me that I owed them $7k from a 2018 tax year error (filed in February 2019) which included $1k in penalties / interest for late payment. I had 1 week to respond because their letter was dated almost 2 weeks prior to the day the postal service actually delivered it to me. I hired an accountant, found the problem (my own fault) and determined I only owed $2k, not the $7k they determined. I contacted them as prescribed, filed an amended return and sent a check 4 days after receiving the notice.  Because it also changed my state tax, I did the same for my state. The fact this happened right around the time we learned Trump didn't pay taxes really twisted the knife.

Within days the state cashed my check and accepted the return. No reply from the IRS... until this past Tuesday. They sent me a second identical notice (which took 10 days to be delivered by the post office) that I owe them $7k from 2018. It's been almost 4 months and my amended return is still just sitting in a pile somewhere, untouched and they're still demanding I respond in 7 days.
 
2021-01-16 8:35:59 AM  

phamwaa: TheFoz: pup.socket: TheFoz: The IRS runs an outdated system, is understaffed, and changes can take 60-90 days to allow for testing of said system, depending upon what change is being made and what staff are doing it.

Is anyone surprised?

COBOL?

Yes, COBOL.

The State of WI still has a bunch of agencies running programs that are COBOL based.  They are having a hard time finding programmers to keep the systems running because it's so outdated.  Look at WI DWD as a prime example.  But of course when Gov. Evers asked the Legislature for money to upgrade they just blamed his lack of leadership for the failure...

The financial world still runs on COBOL. That's not going to change for a while.
https://www.bmc.com/blogs/cobol-trends​/


Oh don't get me wrong, COBOL is useful for certain tasks.  I still use a COBOL based mainframe system for a small task each day because it's the most secure way of doing said task.  Well, that's what the IT folks tell me any who.

Back in the day our main accounting system was a pure COBOL based system and it sucked so much to use.  Finally upgraded it to PS, which, for all of its flaws is pretty easy to use.  The transition from one system to another was a nightmare, but things are running a lot smoother now.
 
2021-01-16 8:40:52 AM  

TheFoz: pup.socket: TheFoz: The IRS runs an outdated system, is understaffed, and changes can take 60-90 days to allow for testing of said system, depending upon what change is being made and what staff are doing it.

Is anyone surprised?

COBOL?

Yes, COBOL.

The State of WI still has a bunch of agencies running programs that are COBOL based.  They are having a hard time finding programmers to keep the systems running because it's so outdated.  Look at WI DWD as a prime example.  But of course when Gov. Evers asked the Legislature for money to upgrade they just blamed his lack of leadership for the failure...


Back in April, the governor of New Jersey put out a request for volunteers who understood "Cobalt" to help with computer systems related to covid-19 insurance payments. My wife (New Jersey native with a computer science degree) had a terrible case of fremdschämen.

https://josephsteinberg.com/covid-19-​r​esponse-new-jersey-urgently-needs-cobo​l-programmers-yes-you-read-that-correc​tly/
 
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