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2021-01-15 7:56:48 PM  
Intel needs to be worried about AMD, and not Apple.

Apple is not making x86 chips.
 
2021-01-15 8:02:32 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Intel needs to be worried about AMD, and not Apple.

Apple is not making x86 chips.


No, but Apple is making laptops that are not more expensive than PCs are, but are significantly better in performance and battery life.

Apple made a BIG mistake - M1 MacBooks Review
Youtube KE-hrWTgDjk
 
2021-01-15 8:02:57 PM  
From what I've seen on the M1 chips Intel is screwed but Apple isn't the threat.  If Lenovo comes out with an AMD based tower server I'll switch immediately.
 
2021-01-15 8:22:50 PM  

BullBearMS: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Intel needs to be worried about AMD, and not Apple.

Apple is not making x86 chips.

No, but Apple is making laptops that are not more expensive than PCs are, but are significantly better in performance and battery life.

[YouTube video: Apple made a BIG mistake - M1 MacBooks Review]


Apple is a tiny fraction of Intel's business.

All the M1 did was show that there were improvements that can be made. Then again, Ryzen did that and that can run all the workloads Intel chips can without change. Apple just became as important to Intel as they were when they ran PowerPC.

Intel doesn't have to care about Apple, it has to worry about AMD.
 
2021-01-15 8:37:16 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Intel needs to be worried about AMD, and not Apple.

Apple is not making x86 chips.


Apple doesn't compete with Intel. Apple competes with all the other laptop/computer/phone/tablet manufacturers.
 
2021-01-15 8:38:31 PM  

SMB2811: BullBearMS: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Intel needs to be worried about AMD, and not Apple.

Apple is not making x86 chips.

No, but Apple is making laptops that are not more expensive than PCs are, but are significantly better in performance and battery life.

[YouTube video: Apple made a BIG mistake - M1 MacBooks Review]

Apple is a tiny fraction of Intel's business.

All the M1 did was show that there were improvements that can be made. Then again, Ryzen did that and that can run all the workloads Intel chips can without change. Apple just became as important to Intel as they were when they ran PowerPC.

Intel doesn't have to care about Apple, it has to worry about AMD.


Laptops are the largest product segment in PCs.

Apple makes better laptops for the same money.As shown in the video above, the new Macbook Pro got eight hours more battery life than the PCs they tested at a time when cheap PCs don't even get eight hours of battery life at all.Young people today don't give a shiat about Windows compatibility, because they live on phones and grew up doing school work on Chromebooks.
 
2021-01-15 8:46:11 PM  
SMB2811:Apple is a tiny fraction of Intel's business.

All the M1 did was show that there were improvements that can be made. Then again, Ryzen did that and that can run all the workloads Intel chips can without change. Apple just became as important to Intel as they were when they ran PowerPC.

Intel doesn't have to care about Apple, it has to worry about AMD.



IIRC Apple was about 10% of Intel's business. I'm guessing an M1 processor is 1/4 the cost of of its Intel predecessor, expect other PC makers to want the same. Earlier this week, Qualcomm bought the startup of the a chief designer of the Apple A-series. They happen to be the supplier for the current lineup of ARM PC's, Windows x86 on ARM is now in Preview, so stay tuned.

The big money is in server chips, where AMD Epyc is putting up a fight. ARM is making progress here as well, having server designs, Amazon having already deployed their own licensed chip, and Microsoft rumored to be making the switch as well.
 
2021-01-15 8:47:11 PM  

BullBearMS: Apple makes better laptops for the same money.As shown in the video above, the new Macbook Pro got eight hours more battery life than the PCs they tested at a time when cheap PCs don't even get eight hours of battery life at all.Young people today don't give a shiat about Windows compatibility, because they live on phones and grew up doing school work on Chromebooks.


Nobody gives a shiat about battery life. I can make unwarranted claims too!
 
2021-01-15 8:55:56 PM  

trialpha: BullBearMS: Apple makes better laptops for the same money.As shown in the video above, the new Macbook Pro got eight hours more battery life than the PCs they tested at a time when cheap PCs don't even get eight hours of battery life at all.Young people today don't give a shiat about Windows compatibility, because they live on phones and grew up doing school work on Chromebooks.

Nobody gives a shiat about battery life. I can make unwarranted claims too!


I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?
 
2021-01-15 8:58:14 PM  
The biggest drawback I see to the M1 chip is that cannot in any way handle more than 16GB of ram. To me that seriously kills any potential it had. Not that I could afford Apples $500 ram upgrades anyway.
 
2021-01-15 10:08:28 PM  

entangl3d: The biggest drawback I see to the M1 chip is that cannot in any way handle more than 16GB of ram. To me that seriously kills any potential it had. Not that I could afford Apples $500 ram upgrades anyway.


The M1 is only used in last year's entry level products.

The higher end machines with next gen Apple ARM chips that are going to ship this year are what TFA is about.
 
2021-01-15 10:13:30 PM  

BullBearMS: I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?


Do you need to learn reading comprehension?. The unwarranted part was that nobody cares about battery life.
 
2021-01-15 10:19:40 PM  

BullBearMS: e higher end machines with next gen Apple ARM chips that are going to ship this year are what TFA is about.


Uh that's not what the article was about. It was mostly about Intels change in leadership and it's outsourcing of chip fabrication. Nowhere did it even mention Apples next gen ARM chips.
 
2021-01-15 11:36:19 PM  

trialpha: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Intel needs to be worried about AMD, and not Apple.

Apple is not making x86 chips.

Apple doesn't compete with Intel. Apple competes with all the other laptop/computer/phone/tablet manufacturers.


Not really.

/ please, someone compete with them :-(
 
2021-01-16 1:12:40 AM  

trialpha: BullBearMS: I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?

Do you need to learn reading comprehension?. The unwarranted part was that nobody cares about battery life.


This is a new level of dumb, even for you.
 
2021-01-16 1:15:08 AM  

entangl3d: BullBearMS: e higher end machines with next gen Apple ARM chips that are going to ship this year are what TFA is about.

Uh that's not what the article was about. It was mostly about Intels change in leadership and it's outsourcing of chip fabrication. Nowhere did it even mention Apples next gen ARM chips.


So why is Intel so worried about Apple?

Easy.  The low end is where the volume is, but the high end is where the money is.
 
2021-01-16 1:18:51 AM  

BullBearMS: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Intel needs to be worried about AMD, and not Apple.

Apple is not making x86 chips.

No, but Apple is making laptops that are not more expensive than PCs are, but are significantly better in performance and battery life.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/KE-hrWTg​Djk]


This. ARM is going to take over the PC space from x86 and many people are sleeping hard on this.
Qualcomm's recent acquisition of NUVIA is another sign of the times.
Sure you'll still have your beefy x64 gaming rig, but ARM will take over the laptop which is the bulk of PC sales anyway.

/ posting this from a Windows 10 ARM PC
 
2021-01-16 1:25:12 AM  

trialpha: BullBearMS: I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?

Do you need to learn reading comprehension?. The unwarranted part was that nobody cares about battery life.


Some people actually leave their parents' basement once in a while.
 
2021-01-16 1:26:49 AM  

BullBearMS: trialpha: BullBearMS: I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?

Do you need to learn reading comprehension?. The unwarranted part was that nobody cares about battery life.

This is a new level of dumb, even for you.


I like the M1. It is a great chip and performs well but I will wait til pulling the trigger on our silicon until.

1.Multiple monitor support is native so I would not have to use a usbc dongle and multiple third party adapters to connect more than 1 screen to a laptop or more than 2 on a Mac Mini
2. 32 gigs of ram is an option to future proof it.
3. Big Sur is fully baked for another six months to a year.

If an M1 needs reinstalling internet recovery is quirky as fark on it so you have to make a bootable installer or have another mac with USBC ports and a usbc to usbc cable to use the Apple Configurator 2 to reinstall.  The large majority of users do not have those various combos.

But the guy you referenced is wrong. People do care about battery life.

On the Mac side our users thinks Apple have magical batteries that are not consumable and last forever and everyone is thrilled with the M1 for that reason.

PC users are biatching that they used to be able to hot swap batteries in laptops and you cannot find a laptop anymore that allows it.

As much as I want a new personal mac, I have a ton of new work gear that is constantly being updated, and my personal Imac from 2013 with 16 gigs and ssd works smoothly and quickly and my 2015 macbook air works well though it could probably use a new battery but I do not plan on traveling anytime soon.
 
2021-01-16 1:32:58 AM  

trialpha: BullBearMS: I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?

Do you need to learn reading comprehension?. The unwarranted part was that nobody cares about battery life.


Man... this is what fanboys have been reduced to? People care very much about battery life
 
2021-01-16 1:39:30 AM  

Likwit: trialpha: BullBearMS: I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?

Do you need to learn reading comprehension?. The unwarranted part was that nobody cares about battery life.

Man... this is what fanboys have been reduced to? People care very much about battery life


That sure is a new level of pathetic.

Not just more battery life, more EXTRA battery life over the competitors than many PC laptops have at all.

Also, PC laptops have to throttle the CPU the moment the laptop is unplugged and the MacBook does not.
 
2021-01-16 6:05:06 AM  

BullBearMS: trialpha: BullBearMS: I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?

Do you need to learn reading comprehension?. The unwarranted part was that nobody cares about battery life.

This is a new level of dumb, even for you.


No, he's got a point.

Regular users don't care that much about battery life. What they really want with a laptop is ease of transportation, to be able to use it in any room in the house, and that it doesn't turn off when you unplug it. Almost noone would be willing to pay a premium to go from 2 hours to 10 hours of autonomy, not when you've got power outlets absolutely everywhere you could use your laptop.
 
2021-01-16 6:15:44 AM  

padraig: BullBearMS: trialpha: BullBearMS: I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?

Do you need to learn reading comprehension?. The unwarranted part was that nobody cares about battery life.

This is a new level of dumb, even for you.

No, he's got a point.

Regular users don't care that much about battery life. What they really want with a laptop is ease of transportation, to be able to use it in any room in the house, and that it doesn't turn off when you unplug it. Almost noone would be willing to pay a premium to go from 2 hours to 10 hours of autonomy, not when you've got power outlets absolutely everywhere you could use your laptop.


He doesn't have a point, and we are talking about a laptop that was just tested in the video above to have 20 hours of battery life.

Which means, you can finally use a laptop for a full day of work without being chained to an electrical outlet.

Laptops are supposedly mobile computers, right?
 
2021-01-16 6:18:01 AM  
Smells like Flavor Aid in here.
 
2021-01-16 8:44:35 AM  

NuclearPenguins: Smells like Flavor Aid in here.


For real. How do they get so wrapped up?
 
2021-01-16 8:47:26 AM  

XSLUMLORDX: NuclearPenguins: Smells like Flavor Aid in here.

For real. How do they get so wrapped up?


My theory is that part of this is people being shut in from covid-19 for so long that they are so craving for some level of human interaction they will even get into pointless arguments about laptops to do so.
 
2021-01-16 8:55:09 AM  

rummonkey: XSLUMLORDX: NuclearPenguins: Smells like Flavor Aid in here.

For real. How do they get so wrapped up?

My theory is that part of this is people being shut in from covid-19 for so long that they are so craving for some level of human interaction they will even get into pointless arguments about laptops to do so.


You could try taking the advice of the dude who covers CPU tech for Anandtech.

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2021-01-16 9:08:13 AM  

BullBearMS: padraig: BullBearMS: trialpha: BullBearMS: I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?

Do you need to learn reading comprehension?. The unwarranted part was that nobody cares about battery life.

This is a new level of dumb, even for you.

No, he's got a point.

Regular users don't care that much about battery life. What they really want with a laptop is ease of transportation, to be able to use it in any room in the house, and that it doesn't turn off when you unplug it. Almost noone would be willing to pay a premium to go from 2 hours to 10 hours of autonomy, not when you've got power outlets absolutely everywhere you could use your laptop.

He doesn't have a point, and we are talking about a laptop that was just tested in the video above to have 20 hours of battery life.

Which means, you can finally use a laptop for a full day of work without being chained to an electrical outlet.

Laptops are supposedly mobile computers, right?


He does have a point though. When I use a laptop it is plugged in 99% of the time.

Programming? Gaming? Netflix? Browsing? All plugged in.

The only time it isn't is when I'm changing positions. Or, back when I was still working in the office, to take it to a colleague to get him to have a look at it. I have no need what so ever for 20 hours of battery life. To me the marginal utility is almost 0 over maybe 2 hours (I used to do some work in the train if I had to travel for the job).
 
2021-01-16 9:13:32 AM  

DerAppie: When I use a laptop it is plugged in 99% of the time.


Yes, because Intel and AMD based laptops throttle down when you unplug them, and nobody has made a laptop with all day battery life until now.
 
2021-01-16 9:16:02 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Intel needs to be worried about AMD, and not Apple.

Apple is not making x86 chips.


Considering Cisco Systems is moving to 100% AMD abd tgat they make The Internet, Intel has a problem.
 
2021-01-16 9:20:06 AM  

BullBearMS: DerAppie: When I use a laptop it is plugged in 99% of the time.

Yes, because Intel and AMD based laptops throttle down when you unplug them, and nobody has made a laptop with all day battery life until now.


Haha, no. I plug it in because there is no reason not to plug it in. My worklaptop has zero performance reasons to be plugged in during the day. My regular laptop is mainly used to browse a bit and maybe watch some netflix. There are no real life performance hits performing those tasks.
 
2021-01-16 9:21:12 AM  

XSLUMLORDX: NuclearPenguins: Smells like Flavor Aid in here.

For real. How do they get so wrapped up?


I think it is because they have to justify their spending of more money for inferior products for so long. They lash out irrationally at anyone who might make them regret their unwise spending.

I love these threads though. Always nice see the usual suspects spouting off their nonsense and it brings me endless amusement.
 
2021-01-16 9:26:02 AM  

DerAppie: BullBearMS: DerAppie: When I use a laptop it is plugged in 99% of the time.

Yes, because Intel and AMD based laptops throttle down when you unplug them, and nobody has made a laptop with all day battery life until now.

Haha, no. I plug it in because there is no reason not to plug it in. My worklaptop has zero performance reasons to be plugged in during the day. My regular laptop is mainly used to browse a bit and maybe watch some netflix. There are no real life performance hits performing those tasks.


Are we pretending that performance and battery life don't matter at all the moment that Wintel gets it's ass handed to it on those metrics?

Now it does smell like Kool-Aid in here.
 
2021-01-16 9:33:10 AM  

BullBearMS: Now it does smell like Kool-Aid in here


Says the person defending a silly corporation for 13+ hours in the same thread. I'd advise seeking professional help.
 
2021-01-16 9:34:19 AM  

NuclearPenguins: BullBearMS: Now it does smell like Kool-Aid in here

Says the person defending a silly corporation for 13+ hours in the same thread. I'd advise seeking professional help.


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2021-01-16 9:36:11 AM  

BullBearMS: DerAppie: BullBearMS: DerAppie: When I use a laptop it is plugged in 99% of the time.

Yes, because Intel and AMD based laptops throttle down when you unplug them, and nobody has made a laptop with all day battery life until now.

Haha, no. I plug it in because there is no reason not to plug it in. My worklaptop has zero performance reasons to be plugged in during the day. My regular laptop is mainly used to browse a bit and maybe watch some netflix. There are no real life performance hits performing those tasks.

Are we pretending that performance and battery life don't matter at all the moment that Wintel gets it's ass handed to it on those metrics?

Now it does smell like Kool-Aid in here.


They do matter. To a point. I'm just arguing that for almost all home and office applications we're way past that point.

The 20 hours of battery is a sales gimmick.
 
2021-01-16 9:43:00 AM  

DerAppie: The 20 hours of battery is a sales gimmick.


So you're arguing that a mobile computer shouldn't be usable if the user needs to step away from an electrical outlet?  Computers don't need performance either?

Bless your heart.

You could have just bought a Raspberry Pi and saved a whole lot of money.
 
2021-01-16 9:46:52 AM  

BullBearMS: trialpha: BullBearMS: I just posted a video that tested M1, Intel, and AMD laptop battery life.

The M1 Macbook's battery life was eight hours longer.

Do you need to look up what "unwarranted" means?

Do you need to learn reading comprehension?. The unwarranted part was that nobody cares about battery life.

This is a new level of dumb, even for you.


I really shouldn't need to explain this:

You made this statement: "Young people today don't give a shiat about Windows compatibility, because they live on phones and grew up doing school work on Chromebooks." as an attempt to cover up for one of the negatives of owning a Mac. This is an unwarranted claim.

I was mocking this by making an equally unwarranted claim of "nobody gives a shiat about battery life". I even pointed this out in my original message.

Your statement of people not caring about Windows compatibility has as much justification as mine about people not caring about battery life. ie. none.
 
2021-01-16 9:49:39 AM  

BullBearMS: rummonkey: XSLUMLORDX: NuclearPenguins: Smells like Flavor Aid in here.

For real. How do they get so wrapped up?

My theory is that part of this is people being shut in from covid-19 for so long that they are so craving for some level of human interaction they will even get into pointless arguments about laptops to do so.

You could try taking the advice of the dude who covers CPU tech for Anandtech.

[Fark user image image 598x132]


Don't try and rope me into your dipshiat argument. All I said was both of you guys either need to get a room or just get out more because arguing about battery life of laptops is about the most pointless argument you could have.
 
2021-01-16 9:57:49 AM  

NuclearPenguins: XSLUMLORDX: NuclearPenguins: Smells like Flavor Aid in here.

For real. How do they get so wrapped up?

I think it is because they have to justify their spending of more money for inferior products for so long. They lash out irrationally at anyone who might make them regret their unwise spending.

I love these threads though. Always nice see the usual suspects spouting off their nonsense and it brings me endless amusement.


These threads are always shorter for me, since I put the cultists on ignore sometime ago.

I use Macs and Windows PCs. I spend a pretty equal amount of time between them.
I've had good luck with MacBooks, so that is what I use for my mobile computing.
 
2021-01-16 10:00:37 AM  

DerAppie: BullBearMS: DerAppie: BullBearMS: DerAppie: When I use a laptop it is plugged in 99% of the time.

Yes, because Intel and AMD based laptops throttle down when you unplug them, and nobody has made a laptop with all day battery life until now.

Haha, no. I plug it in because there is no reason not to plug it in. My worklaptop has zero performance reasons to be plugged in during the day. My regular laptop is mainly used to browse a bit and maybe watch some netflix. There are no real life performance hits performing those tasks.

Are we pretending that performance and battery life don't matter at all the moment that Wintel gets it's ass handed to it on those metrics?

Now it does smell like Kool-Aid in here.

They do matter. To a point. I'm just arguing that for almost all home and office applications we're way past that point.

The 20 hours of battery is a sales gimmick.


20 hours means I can still pick up the laptop in the morning, use it all day, and not have to worry about carrying a power supply with me, in 5 years when the battery has lost 40% of its capacity.

In the meantime, it's a big deal for business travelers. For a quick out-and-back 1-nighter, maybe don't even bother taking a charger. Just a cable to charge your phone off your laptop.
 
2021-01-16 10:03:38 AM  

BullBearMS: DerAppie: The 20 hours of battery is a sales gimmick.

So you're arguing that a mobile computer shouldn't be usable if the user needs to step away from an electrical outlet?  Computers don't need performance either?

Bless your heart.

You could have just bought a Raspberry Pi and saved a whole lot of money.


I said no such things.

I said 20 hours is a sales gimmick, not that batteries are a sales gimmick. I also never said they do not need performance. I said we're way past the point where the extra megahertz has a significant impact for most home/office work.

But at least you get to be outraged at the evil strawmen that are besieging your position.
 
2021-01-16 10:08:10 AM  
Man, I remember when I was a PC laptop user and all my battery was for was keeping the machine alive from one outlet to another.

It sucked. And PC laptops that weren't garbage were the same price as MacBooks, anyway.

/ again, really, please, someone compete with Apple. It'd be great.
 
2021-01-16 10:13:37 AM  

DerAppie: BullBearMS: DerAppie: The 20 hours of battery is a sales gimmick.

So you're arguing that a mobile computer shouldn't be usable if the user needs to step away from an electrical outlet?  Computers don't need performance either?

Bless your heart.

You could have just bought a Raspberry Pi and saved a whole lot of money.

I said no such things.

I said 20 hours is a sales gimmick, not that batteries are a sales gimmick. I also never said they do not need performance. I said we're way past the point where the extra megahertz has a significant impact for most home/office work.

But at least you get to be outraged at the evil strawmen that are besieging your position.


My position is that battery life and performance matter.

The usual crowd of computer reviewers have said that Apple's new chips put it significantly ahead on both metrics, while costing about the same as the Wintel competition.

Apple has a thousand-dollar laptop that beats the pants off anything else in its price class, and so every Windows ultrabook is going to be compared to it for the foreseeable future - and may likely be found wanting.

Sorry if the new reality causes enormous amounts of butthurt.
 
2021-01-16 10:16:40 AM  

fallingcow: DerAppie: BullBearMS: DerAppie: BullBearMS: DerAppie: When I use a laptop it is plugged in 99% of the time.

Yes, because Intel and AMD based laptops throttle down when you unplug them, and nobody has made a laptop with all day battery life until now.

Haha, no. I plug it in because there is no reason not to plug it in. My worklaptop has zero performance reasons to be plugged in during the day. My regular laptop is mainly used to browse a bit and maybe watch some netflix. There are no real life performance hits performing those tasks.

Are we pretending that performance and battery life don't matter at all the moment that Wintel gets it's ass handed to it on those metrics?

Now it does smell like Kool-Aid in here.

They do matter. To a point. I'm just arguing that for almost all home and office applications we're way past that point.

The 20 hours of battery is a sales gimmick.

20 hours means I can still pick up the laptop in the morning, use it all day, and not have to worry about carrying a power supply with me, in 5 years when the battery has lost 40% of its capacity.

In the meantime, it's a big deal for business travelers. For a quick out-and-back 1-nighter, maybe don't even bother taking a charger. Just a cable to charge your phone off your laptop.


I have an M1 MacBook Pro. While the battery life is great, I'm not getting 20 hours between charges. I'd say more like between 12 and 15 hours, depending on what I'm doing. Those numbers are still impressive.
But If I'm going on an overnight jaunt, I'd still take the charger. It's not like it's a big brick, so it's not really adding that much weight, or taking up a bunch of space.
 
2021-01-16 10:18:23 AM  

fallingcow: In the meantime, it's a big deal for business travelers. For a quick out-and-back 1-nighter, maybe don't even bother taking a charger. Just a cable to charge your phone off your laptop.


One of the nice things about USB-C chargers is that you don't have to rely on the typically massive brick the laptop manufacturer gives you. There are 60W chargers that are only 5cm by 5cm now. The cable takes up more space than the charger itself.
 
2021-01-16 10:48:20 AM  
While Apple has made a cool CPU it does not out perform Intel or AMD in anything except in its efficiency. All those benchmarks are single threaded benchmarks. AMD and Intels CPU's single cores are faster running  multiple threads than just one alone. All the benchmarks I have seen have shown Apple doing good have been single threaded, and are absolutely crushed in multi threaded benchmarks.

Not to mention that it cost half the the price of the computer to upgrade to a half decent amount of ram and storage. At that point it is completely outclassed  in the price range. Except for battery life.
 
2021-01-16 11:01:04 AM  

fallingcow: 20 hours means I can still pick up the laptop in the morning, use it all day, and not have to worry about carrying a power supply with me, in 5 years when the battery has lost 40% of its capacity.

In the meantime, it's a big deal for business travelers. For a quick out-and-back 1-nighter, maybe don't even bother taking a charger. Just a cable to charge your phone off your laptop.


Sure, until you turn it on and remember that you didn't charge yesterday but the day before that because who cares, the battery is huge. Or you forgot to turn it off and the next day you can't do any work because you drained the battery which was supposed to last another 7 hours (I mean, you can claim people never ever ever forget to turn of the laptop, but I've fallen asleep with Netflix on so it would have quite comfortably drained the battery if I hadn't plugged it in).

I mean, maybe I'm paranoid but if I'm going somewhere for a 1-nighter I'm still going to be bringing chargers. My phone lasts me for about 2 days, I still bring the charger for overnight trips.
 
2021-01-16 11:01:20 AM  

entangl3d: While Apple has made a cool CPU it does not out perform Intel or AMD in anything except in its efficiency. All those benchmarks are single threaded benchmarks. AMD and Intels CPU's single cores are faster running  multiple threads than just one alone. All the benchmarks I have seen have shown Apple doing good have been single threaded, and are absolutely crushed in multi threaded benchmarks.

Not to mention that it cost half the the price of the computer to upgrade to a half decent amount of ram and storage. At that point it is completely outclassed  in the price range. Except for battery life.


Perhaps you should watch the video above where they actually test the M1 against current gen Intel and AMD laptop chips?

Because they get spanked.However, if you compare the multi threaded performance to a desktop chip with many more cores, that's where Apple isn't even trying to compete yet.
 
2021-01-16 11:09:48 AM  

BullBearMS: My position is that battery life and performance matter.


I know that is your point. You keep repeating it and I agree with you. I just disagree to the degree that they matter.

The usual crowd of computer reviewers have said that Apple's new chips put it significantly ahead on both metrics, while costing about the same as the Wintel competition.

I never disputed this.

Apple has a thousand-dollar laptop that beats the pants off anything else in its price class, and so every Windows ultrabook is going to be compared to it for the foreseeable future

I never disputed this either

- and may likely be found wanting.

I do dispute this. I can repeat the reasons again, but just read my previous posts.

Sorry if the new reality causes enormous amounts of butthurt.


Which new reality? The one in which I am typing this on a 600 euro when it was new 5 years ago laptop without any complaints about performance? I could hand this laptop over to my manager at work and she would be able to do all her work on it without any effort. Why should I worry about performance if I buy a new way faster windows laptop and I get a slight performance hit because it isn't plugged in? It'll still be way better than this one.

I never looked at battery performance when buying laptops. I certainly won't start now that apple has a slightly better energy consumption.
 
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