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2021-01-15 9:53:25 AM  
Oh Well (Pt. 1) (Mono) (2018 Remaster)
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2021-01-15 10:26:45 AM  
Subby, thanks for telling me what's going on.
 
2021-01-15 10:32:32 AM  
It's because we're all going to die.
 
2021-01-15 10:32:45 AM  
He must be broke. Now, the record label can sell what was his music for use in commercials to companies he would never endorse, and products he would never endorse. He no longer has any say.
 
2021-01-15 10:33:03 AM  
It's just Rumours.
 
2021-01-15 10:35:46 AM  
Smart man. His music hasn't been viable until a few months ago. Now that his ego for what he's created has well been bathed in wine and cheese, it's easy for him to let it go.

Seriously smart move on his part
 
2021-01-15 10:38:28 AM  

Mr_Vimes: It's just Rumours.


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2021-01-15 10:41:56 AM  
Fleetwood's publishing rights are already part-owned by the investment company Hipgnosis, which last week acquired the back catalogue of his bandmate Lindsey Buckingham.
In November, Stevie Nicks sold 80% of the rights to her own songwriting catalogue, including Fleetwood Mac hits like Rhiannon and Dreams, to music publisher Primary Wave for a reported $100m (£73m).


So I guess the McVie's are next?
 
2021-01-15 10:43:34 AM  
Oh well...
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2021-01-15 10:45:50 AM  
These musicians sure do have a lot of artistic integrity, don't they?
 
2021-01-15 10:55:55 AM  
Baader-Meinhof moment again. Just last night YouTude recommended a video on musicians that lost all their money. Mick was one of them.
 
2021-01-15 11:07:30 AM  
There's been a lot of musicians who've sold their rights recently. Are they all broke? Just cashing out for retirement? What is going on that it's suddenly so appealing to these older rockers to take the payout?
 
2021-01-15 11:16:03 AM  
story i always tell....long ago, like 10-15 years, a TFette offered to let me crash at her place in the Hollywood Hills (not like that, we were both married, she was just saving me $80 for a hotel).    a modest bungalow, nothing flashy.

she said when they bought it, one Mick Fleetwood was ont he title chain.  I couldn't help but wonder if maybe Stevie and the gang ever had hung out there.

and bonus:  she was driving home one day from the opposite side of the street, and saw Jason Bateman - yeah, that Jason Bateman - mowing his lawn.  she honked and waved and smiled and waved back.
 
2021-01-15 11:23:50 AM  
Guess he couldn't stop thinkin about tomorrow.
 
2021-01-15 11:50:46 AM  
A few years ago I was watching a Tonic video on YouTube and...

"Whoa, was that really Mick Fleetwood? WTF?"

Tonic - Open Up Your Eyes
Youtube -lDIJjnCHco


I had the album but I'd never seen the video before, it was a somewhat random sighting.
 
2021-01-15 11:52:03 AM  

dammit just give me a login: There's been a lot of musicians who've sold their rights recently. Are they all broke? Just cashing out for retirement? What is going on that it's suddenly so appealing to these older rockers to take the payout?


My knee-jerk reaction is that, they're broke.

But the more I think about it, I wonder if "selling" is an agreement to turn over the rights to someone that can properly go after the record companies in a way that artists can't.

Hear me out.  Artists can hire people, but that costs money.  Additionally you're also probably dealing with someone who has other interests in other parts of the law.

If you put together a law and accounting form whose sole job is to audit and sue then you're going to get maximum effectiveness.  You'd want to be a clearing house of artists rights because you can get the maximum amount out of them.

So, the artist sells with some sort of offer getting a wad of cash up front and then something after a specific metric is cleared or an agreement to pass on payment to kids, charities, etc.
 
2021-01-15 12:03:14 PM  

uncoveror: He must be broke. Now, the record label can sell what was his music for use in commercials to companies he would never endorse, and products he would never endorse. He no longer has any say.


Yep

Exactly why jim morrison flipped out when one of the doors songs ended up in a car commercial. Not sure if it was car though.
 
2021-01-15 12:04:00 PM  

likwidflame: Smart man. His music hasn't been viable until a few months ago. Now that his ego for what he's created has well been bathed in wine and cheese, it's easy for him to let it go.

Seriously smart move on his part


Paying the bills is smart.
 
2021-01-15 12:05:55 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: These musicians sure do have a lot of artistic integrity, don't they?


Bills have alot of artistic integrity.

The stock owners have vacations and lives to live.
 
2021-01-15 12:23:45 PM  
Don't do coke, coke is expensive and makes one a dick. Rehab for coke is expensive.

Being a dick is expensive and burns bridges that can never be rebuilt.

Then you're old and wondering where your money went.


Hope the party was worth it.
 
2021-01-15 12:28:19 PM  

Linux_Yes: Exactly why jim morrison flipped out when one of the doors songs ended up in a car commercial. Not sure if it was car though.


John Densmore was on Marc Maron podcast 2-3 months ago and he briefly touched on how to this day, the Doors/Doors estate gets asked to license songs, and he has strongly opposed it, "because Jim would have."  he joked, "do you have any idea how many times we've been asked by those 'boner pill' companies, to let them use "Love Me Two Times"?  Or how many companies period, want to use "Break On Through"?

"Yeah, I really pissed off Ray and Robbie, but, i would tell them, "guys, jesus christ, how much money is enough?  We've never had to work a day in our lives.  What are you going to do, Ray, buy another car?  Do you need  more guitars, Robbie?  Yeah they were upset at me but, I felt, and feel, that I'm protecting Jim's wishes."
 
2021-01-15 12:41:46 PM  

dammit just give me a login: There's been a lot of musicians who've sold their rights recently. Are they all broke? Just cashing out for retirement? What is going on that it's suddenly so appealing to these older rockers to take the payout?


Companies are paying 2010 values for catalogues and artists are cashing 2021 checks from Spotify for $.0000058 per 1 million plays.
 
2021-01-15 12:42:17 PM  

dammit just give me a login: There's been a lot of musicians who've sold their rights recently. Are they all broke? Just cashing out for retirement? What is going on that it's suddenly so appealing to these older rockers to take the payout?


They can't perform live now/anymore, they're getting old, and they don't want to leave their estates in a mess when they go. Can you count how many musicians died suddenly, or not prepared, and then their stuff was fought over by their relatives for years? I can think of several right away.

That is a paraphrase from David Crosby, who has not sold his work yet.
 
2021-01-15 12:59:16 PM  
Will also add that low interest rates have "investors" bidding up other assets with repeating income streams.
 
2021-01-15 1:08:32 PM  

Skarekrough: My knee-jerk reaction is that, they're broke.


Not in the case of Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, who have both just sold their respective IP rights. Each already had hundreds of millions of dollars.

They're doing it because it's the smart thing to do, financially. They are in their 70s. They have maybe 10 years of life left. They are receiving a front-load of 50 future years of royalties. They'd never live to see them otherwise. So why not?
 
2021-01-15 1:12:52 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: These musicians sure do have a lot of artistic integrity, don't they?


Fark that dumb shiat.

Inventor = makes massive money on their invention.

Doctor = makes great money on their practice

Business founder = makes massive money on their company

Tech developer = makes massive money on their app

Artist = OH NO!!!! DON'T YOU DARE MAKE MONEY FROM YOUR WORK! YOU'RE JUST SELLING OUT!!!
 
2021-01-15 1:50:14 PM  
"BMG did not disclose the sum involved, but it is likely to involve many millions of pounds."

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2021-01-15 1:58:26 PM  
If you don't like it, just make more music.

Ohhh, you're tired now.

This is the equivalent of the Reverse Mortgage
Not for everyone, but useful for some.
 
2021-01-15 2:20:16 PM  

Corn_Fed: Tyrone Slothrop: These musicians sure do have a lot of artistic integrity, don't they?

Fark that dumb shiat.

Inventor = makes massive money on their invention.

Doctor = makes great money on their practice

Business founder = makes massive money on their company

Tech developer = makes massive money on their app

Artist = OH NO!!!! DON'T YOU DARE MAKE MONEY FROM YOUR WORK! YOU'RE JUST SELLING OUT!!!


It's not about that, it's about BMG and other music companies smashing any and all fair use they can by their sheer size. Music Studios are why you get a copyright strike and your video demonitized or taken down on youtube when you play an acoustic guitar cover of a rock song.

A few large companies owning the lifetime works of thousands of artists is bad in so many ways. Not just for artists past, present, and future but also for anyone who listens to music.

Here is the most recent example. Covid-19 bill included allowing copyright holders to sue outside of federal court up to $30,000. It also makes it a FELONY to stream any copyright material for profit. So a twitch streamer who has their phone go off with a ringtone that is a copy protected work can be charged with a felony. Before you say "they aren't going to go after those little people" think about how dumb that sounds. They are going to file a lawsuit on every video they find with even a few seconds of copyright material that they own in it. They are going to sue every man, woman, and child they find using even the tiniest clip of copyrighted. How many small town Americans have the means to fight a $10,000+ lawsuit filed by a major record label?

Nobody gives a flying frog shiat about artists selling out. It's about what these companies do to hurt artists and consumers with the power that owning all of these artists music gives them.
 
2021-01-15 2:39:48 PM  
His restaurant in Maui was full of fruitflies; hopefully he buys some pest control with the proceeds.
 
2021-01-15 2:40:04 PM  
I don't blame him.  he's old, will probably die in a few years.  Cash out & leave that much larger an estate to his heirs.

Wesdog: Corn_Fed: Tyrone Slothrop: These musicians sure do have a lot of artistic integrity, don't they?

Fark that dumb shiat.

Inventor = makes massive money on their invention.

Doctor = makes great money on their practice

Business founder = makes massive money on their company

Tech developer = makes massive money on their app

Artist = OH NO!!!! DON'T YOU DARE MAKE MONEY FROM YOUR WORK! YOU'RE JUST SELLING OUT!!!

It's not about that, it's about BMG and other music companies smashing any and all fair use they can by their sheer size. Music Studios are why you get a copyright strike and your video demonitized or taken down on youtube when you play an acoustic guitar cover of a rock song.

A few large companies owning the lifetime works of thousands of artists is bad in so many ways. Not just for artists past, present, and future but also for anyone who listens to music.

Here is the most recent example. Covid-19 bill included allowing copyright holders to sue outside of federal court up to $30,000. It also makes it a FELONY to stream any copyright material for profit. So a twitch streamer who has their phone go off with a ringtone that is a copy protected work can be charged with a felony. Before you say "they aren't going to go after those little people" think about how dumb that sounds. They are going to file a lawsuit on every video they find with even a few seconds of copyright material that they own in it. They are going to sue every man, woman, and child they find using even the tiniest clip of copyrighted. How many small town Americans have the means to fight a $10,000+ lawsuit filed by a major record label?

Nobody gives a flying frog shiat about artists selling out. It's about what these companies do to hurt artists and consumers with the power that owning all of these artists music gives them.


As for what you're saying, I highly doubt anyone is getting a felony over a ring tone on a video stream.  We're also not going to have jails full of felonious youtubers, though that would be an entertaining series to watch.  I don't disagree that it was bullshiat inserting that into the covid relief bill, but.... I just don't see what you're describing happening in the real world.
 
2021-01-15 2:40:59 PM  
As a lifelong FM fan in all of their iterations and also as someone who read Mick's autobiography #1 along with several other member accounts of the band, I offer the following insights:

1) Mick has never been good with money, ever. He's not exactly "Johnny Depp bad" but close. I really hope that this time around he has better accountants with the balls to tell him to STOP WASTING MONEY. Mick swore up one side and down the other that his original losses were mostly on interest rates for insanely bad property investments and taxes, and that cocaine had little to do with it. As he is still alive, cognizant, and as the studios were the ones usually delivering the 1 gallon ziplock baggies of powder I believe him.
2) Mick isn't exactly young; getting one last payout of size that doesn't involve having to ever go on tour again is smart, since basically all the real money was from touring and merchandising anyway, and Covid killed the last attempt at a "final world tour".
3) He's getting paid twice. Anyone who has been paying attention lately will have noticed that FM has been on one hell of a republishing run the past twelve years, with all their material getting rehashed in multiple formats and re-issue versions. Hell, even Rhino has been putting out FM material on colored vinyl. He has literally already milked that cow dry and now someone has offered to buy the corpse; not exactly a bad deal.
4) Fleetwood Mac is over and they will forever be resting on the laurels of their greatest hits. The Buckingham-MacVie album was awful, Lindsey on his own keeps putting out the same solo album over and over again, Stevie Nicks was completely used up 35 years ago, and never in history has Mick ever had a successful solo album. At this point I even feel safe saying that if they dug up Peter Green from beyond the grave and tried to redo the old Blues lineup they would still fail.

No amount of band reorganization at this point can save them, because despite Neill Finn and Mike Campbell being excellent musicians, they simply do not have the right sound for either "Old" Mac or new. The core members will start dropping dead at any time now, John McVie already survived cancer, there's really no point on trying to put out new studio material that will never chart and there was never any money in albums anyway, it was all in the royalties and touring merch & house take sales. Cashing out now was the only truly wise move and I respect that.

Know when to walk away. Know when you will never climb over a taller summit than the best ones you have already made for yourself. Enjoy retirement when you still can.

AuralArgument: Don't do coke, coke is expensive and makes one a dick. Rehab for coke is expensive.

Being a dick is expensive and burns bridges that can never be rebuilt.

Then you're old and wondering where your money went.

Hope the party was worth it.


Mick hasn't been on cocaine in a long time. Of all the members of the band, he was quite possibly the one who was least likely to be a dick and was sometimes the only one who would meet with fans. The one place in his life where this badness rang true was his wives... both the ones he cheated on and the one he stole. As for "was the party worth it?" ... while I guess you would have to ask him, I can definitely say from what I know of the band that if anyone had one helluva ride that would even come close to say "Rolling Stones" or "Beatles" level of awesome in terms of living a large life, it would have to be Mick Fleetwood. From Earth's POV he has had it all; only God and Mick can truly judge him on if it was actually worth it.
 
2021-01-15 2:49:51 PM  

phedex: As for what you're saying, I highly doubt anyone is getting a felony over a ring tone on a video stream. We're also not going to have jails full of felonious youtubers, though that would be an entertaining series to watch. I don't disagree that it was bullshiat inserting that into the covid relief bill, but.... I just don't see what you're describing happening in the real world.


Wow, you really haven't been paying attention to the MPAA, RIAA, the For-Profit prison industry or the Republicoont party or their lawyers at all, have you? These goddamned assholes will do any and everything they can in their power to own human beings and make them into de-facto slaves by any means possible. Trumped up BS charges turned into lifelong prison sentences over having a half ounce of a botanical weed on your personal being practically built the for-profit prison industry; the RIAA and MPAA have been looking for any excuse they could to expand their reach into retaliatory profiteering via imprisonment of persons doing what they call illegal things for quite some time now. It has never been about a true 'crime' and has always been about the abuse of power to acquire more power.

We're turning into 18th Century England one sleazy, underhanded move at a time.
 
2021-01-15 3:32:36 PM  

Wesdog: Corn_Fed: Tyrone Slothrop: These musicians sure do have a lot of artistic integrity, don't they?

Fark that dumb shiat.

Inventor = makes massive money on their invention.

Doctor = makes great money on their practice

Business founder = makes massive money on their company

Tech developer = makes massive money on their app

Artist = OH NO!!!! DON'T YOU DARE MAKE MONEY FROM YOUR WORK! YOU'RE JUST SELLING OUT!!!

It's not about that, it's about BMG and other music companies smashing any and all fair use they can by their sheer size. Music Studios are why you get a copyright strike and your video demonitized or taken down on youtube when you play an acoustic guitar cover of a rock song.

A few large companies owning the lifetime works of thousands of artists is bad in so many ways. Not just for artists past, present, and future but also for anyone who listens to music.

Here is the most recent example. Covid-19 bill included allowing copyright holders to sue outside of federal court up to $30,000. It also makes it a FELONY to stream any copyright material for profit. So a twitch streamer who has their phone go off with a ringtone that is a copy protected work can be charged with a felony. Before you say "they aren't going to go after those little people" think about how dumb that sounds. They are going to file a lawsuit on every video they find with even a few seconds of copyright material that they own in it. They are going to sue every man, woman, and child they find using even the tiniest clip of copyrighted. How many small town Americans have the means to fight a $10,000+ lawsuit filed by a major record label?

Nobody gives a flying frog shiat about artists selling out. It's about what these companies do to hurt artists and consumers with the power that owning all of these artists music gives them.


I was responding to someone claiming that artists who sell their IP for a lump sum don't have artistic integrity. It had nothing to do with the labels, who everyone already knows are leaches.

And I responded because whenever it's reported artists or musicians made a boatload of money, there's always someone (like the Farker I originally responded to), who absolutely does claim its "selling out."
 
2021-01-15 4:00:29 PM  

Corn_Fed: Tyrone Slothrop: These musicians sure do have a lot of artistic integrity, don't they?

Fark that dumb shiat.

Inventor = makes massive money on their invention.

Doctor = makes great money on their practice

Business founder = makes massive money on their company

Tech developer = makes massive money on their app

Artist = OH NO!!!! DON'T YOU DARE MAKE MONEY FROM YOUR WORK! YOU'RE JUST SELLING OUT!!!


He's had over 40 years to make money from "Rumors". It should be in the public domain.
 
2021-01-15 4:49:32 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Corn_Fed: Tyrone Slothrop: These musicians sure do have a lot of artistic integrity, don't they?

Fark that dumb shiat.

Inventor = makes massive money on their invention.

Doctor = makes great money on their practice

Business founder = makes massive money on their company

Tech developer = makes massive money on their app

Artist = OH NO!!!! DON'T YOU DARE MAKE MONEY FROM YOUR WORK! YOU'RE JUST SELLING OUT!!!

He's had over 40 years to make money from "Rumors". It should be in the public domain.


Is that like, 40 years after Oreo cookies were first invented, supermarkets should just hand them out for free?
 
2021-01-15 4:52:47 PM  

thespindrifter: 3) He's getting paid twice. Anyone who has been paying attention lately will have noticed that FM has been on one hell of a republishing run the past twelve years, with all their material getting rehashed in multiple formats and re-issue versions. Hell, even Rhino has been putting out FM material on colored vinyl. He has literally already milked that cow dry and now someone has offered to buy the corpse; not exactly a bad deal.


Mick would've never made much money from record sales. As the drummer, he didn't write or produce the songs, so he hardly gets any royalties. He makes his money from touring.
 
2021-01-15 4:57:36 PM  

Corn_Fed: As the drummer, he didn't write or produce the songs, so he hardly gets any royalties. He makes his money from touring.


Discographie de Mick Fleetwood sur Discogs: Writing-Arrangement - Credits
 
2021-01-15 5:57:35 PM  

uncoveror: He must be broke. Now, the record label can sell what was his music for use in commercials to companies he would never endorse, and products he would never endorse. He no longer has any say.


I think he only has a writing credit on 1 song in their entire catalog, so this deal may be a little different than the Dylan, Nicks, Young, etc deals.
 
2021-01-15 6:00:38 PM  
what the hell did Mick ever write?
 
2021-01-15 6:09:22 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: what the hell did Mick ever write?


Who was writing drum parts?
 
2021-01-15 6:36:52 PM  

Corn_Fed: Skarekrough: My knee-jerk reaction is that, they're broke.

Not in the case of Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, who have both just sold their respective IP rights. Each already had hundreds of millions of dollars.

They're doing it because it's the smart thing to do, financially. They are in their 70s. They have maybe 10 years of life left. They are receiving a front-load of 50 future years of royalties. They'd never live to see them otherwise. So why not?


This, cashing in while they still can enjoy it.
 
2021-01-15 6:54:50 PM  

dammit just give me a login: There's been a lot of musicians who've sold their rights recently. Are they all broke? Just cashing out for retirement? What is going on that it's suddenly so appealing to these older rockers to take the payout?


Copyrights - in the US anyway - are good for 70 years after the creator dies (and it can be more in some cases). So if you're cashing in monthly/quarterly royalty checks for songs you wrote in the 70's it might make excellent financial sense to take a lump sum payment at this point. That will effectively roll up 70 or more years of royalties that the artist will never see (because they'll be dead). Granted it will be the present value (ie discounted) of a declining annuity, so maybe not a King's ransom. But better than getting nothing for the "post mortem" value of your copyrights.
 
2021-01-15 8:27:08 PM  

Corn_Fed: thespindrifter: 3) He's getting paid twice. Anyone who has been paying attention lately will have noticed that FM has been on one hell of a republishing run the past twelve years, with all their material getting rehashed in multiple formats and re-issue versions. Hell, even Rhino has been putting out FM material on colored vinyl. He has literally already milked that cow dry and now someone has offered to buy the corpse; not exactly a bad deal.

Mick would've never made much money from record sales. As the drummer, he didn't write or produce the songs, so he hardly gets any royalties. He makes his money from touring.


That completely depends on how the band worked. Van Halen, for instance, originally split their money 4 ways until right before Van Hagar when they cut Michael Anthony out of everything but touring.  At that point he became mere hired help.

A lot of bands have done the same kind of thing.
 
2021-01-16 4:21:01 PM  

Corn_Fed: Tyrone Slothrop: Corn_Fed: Tyrone Slothrop: These musicians sure do have a lot of artistic integrity, don't they?

Fark that dumb shiat.

Inventor = makes massive money on their invention.

Doctor = makes great money on their practice

Business founder = makes massive money on their company

Tech developer = makes massive money on their app

Artist = OH NO!!!! DON'T YOU DARE MAKE MONEY FROM YOUR WORK! YOU'RE JUST SELLING OUT!!!

He's had over 40 years to make money from "Rumors". It should be in the public domain.

Is that like, 40 years after Oreo cookies were first invented, supermarkets should just hand them out for free?


It would be like Champagne being labelled despite where it was produced after a certain time period, except geographic area's don't die eventually.  Recipes that are not mere ingredient lists can also be copyright.  It's not like the band has to give out all their CD's for free once copyright expired.  And elsewhere can ship out sparkling wine.

Really though you can make oreo's and sell them assuming no trademark infringement, but what you can't do is sell the original oreo's recipe.  I can also make and sell a microwaved burger with thousand island dressing, but I can't do so under a Mcdonalds sign I made myself without paying for the right to do so.
 
2021-01-16 8:35:47 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: Corn_Fed: thespindrifter: 3) He's getting paid twice. Anyone who has been paying attention lately will have noticed that FM has been on one hell of a republishing run the past twelve years, with all their material getting rehashed in multiple formats and re-issue versions. Hell, even Rhino has been putting out FM material on colored vinyl. He has literally already milked that cow dry and now someone has offered to buy the corpse; not exactly a bad deal.

Mick would've never made much money from record sales. As the drummer, he didn't write or produce the songs, so he hardly gets any royalties. He makes his money from touring.

That completely depends on how the band worked. Van Halen, for instance, originally split their money 4 ways until right before Van Hagar when they cut Michael Anthony out of everything but touring.  At that point he became mere hired help.

A lot of bands have done the same kind of thing.


The Smiths split something like 45/45 for Morrissey and Marr and 5/5 for Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke.

Suits ensued. Fingers were pointed. Seals were clubbed. Or maybe they went clubbing with Seal. Regardless. They are all richer and or poorer and Morrissey still sucks.

They now split the money 4 ways I believe.
 
2021-01-16 10:13:13 PM  

WoodyHayes: A few years ago I was watching a Tonic video on YouTube and...

"Whoa, was that really Mick Fleetwood? WTF?"

[YouTube video: Tonic - Open Up Your Eyes]

I had the album but I'd never seen the video before, it was a somewhat random sighting.


Pretty simple story- apparently Fleetwood just happened to be nearby. They asked if he'd be willing to appear in their video. He obliged. Good times.

/Still such a great song
 
2021-01-16 11:22:35 PM  
The Smiths split something like 45/45 for Morrissey and Marr and 5/5 for Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke.

Honestly, that was probably fair, if more than a bit dickish.
 
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